phantomman said:but this moment is underwhelming (so far) and to say otherwise is to fool yourself.
Someone clearly doesn't understand what has been happening in the past few manga episodes.
phantomman said:but this moment is underwhelming (so far) and to say otherwise is to fool yourself.
phantomman said:I have seen better examples of that in other work of art.
Bender said:Care to expand on this? I'm interested.
Bender said:Care to expand on this? I'm interested.
Aazealh said:I'm surprised no one is talking about what the monsters in this episode suggest: that Casca is probably not going to want to immediately resume any kind of romantic relationship when she's restored
Aazealh said:I expect the Sprite to play a key role in this. Either as the force of hope and will to live within Casca (opposite the part of her that wants to stay like this) or as the "fully restored" version that they'll have to confront after gathering the last fragment
Aazealh said:It's been made clear they're facing actual danger and I frankly have no idea how they'll get through the memory of the rape. Would Danan be able to shield them from the worst of it? Schierke's so young, and Farnese's mental resilience isn't the strongest...
Walter said:Guts/dog going down for the count (what would that mean...?)
Aazealh said:I have to agree with Griff, let's not waste any more time pondering the hypotheticals of a stupid comment.
Walter said:But where will Guts' head be during this time? [...] He's put all his chips on Casca for all these years. What will that rejection, even if it's ultimately temporary, do to him? The harrowing part of the restoration process is only beginning...
Walter said:I think it would be interesting if the sprite was able to show this traumatized, trapped Casca a peek at life in the wider world since the trauma began (if the sprite is even a vessel for memories, and not merely a representation of an aspect of per ego). Just like the memory fragments that compose the "doll"'s body showed visions of the past, the sprite could harbor visions of Guts fighting for her, her child, Griffith, and all the conflicting emotions of all three of these elements.
Walter said:This hypothetical predicament you've concocted is forcing me to take sides — which character do I want LESS traumatized. The obvious answer is Schierke, because fuck that'd certainly be a "gloves off" moment for Miura ... But Farnese has come so far, it would be disheartening to see her permanently scarred, yet another victim of the trauma of the Eclipse.
Walter said:Guts/dog going down for the count (what would that mean...?)
Walter said:I almost feel like some counterstroke for this process would be ... grimly appropriate. Perhaps it'll be something simple, like Guts' white tuft of hair, while also serving as a lasting reminder of the cost of their journey.
Walter said:A parting thought, I am eagerly anticipating how Miura will choose to represent Femto in this world. I can't imagine it will be a straight-up carbon copy of the being, but some monstrous depiction. I can't wait.
Griffith said:BUT, if Guts is patient, and I think it could be a struggle and potential growth for him, I also think he's the one uniquely qualified to understand and relate to this with his own experience surviving sexual assault and betrayal by a trusted mentor to boot. Casca was the one to really help Guts face and cure those demons for himself, the only one he confided in at all and not even voluntarily at first, but now can be his time to understand her situation and reciprocate with her as only he can. We'll see, but this could be damn fine stuff as well as harrowing.
puella said:Miura's comment for this episode: "Established! Established! Grunbeld's character has been established. ♪ ヽ(´ ▽ `)/ "
puella said:Miura's comment for this episode: "Established! Established! Grunbeld's character has been established. ♪ ヽ(´ ▽ `)/ "
Johnny Apples said:So then....this means the "Berserk: Flame Dragon Knight" light novel is actually canon after all?
Griffith said:So, not even a story credit for Miura on the book beyond "based on" status?
Johnny Apples said:So then....this means the "Berserk: Flame Dragon Knight" light novel is actually canon after all?
Aazealh said:Same thing I said in the novel thread weeks ago. Novel: Makoto Fukami | Original: Miura Kentarou
Hypothetically it's possible be that Miura provided an outline or something, but nothing explicitly indicates it.
"Established! Established! Locus' character has been established. ♪ ヽ(´ ▽ `)/ "
"Established! Established! Irvine's character has been established. ♪ ヽ(´ ▽ `)/ "
"Established! Established! Zodd's character has been established. ♪ ヽ(´ ▽ `)/ "
"Established! Established! Skull Knight's character has been established. ♪ ヽ(´ ▽ `)/ "
Aazealh said:When was it not supposed to be canon? It was a done deal as soon as we knew Miura was providing illustrations for it.
Aazealh said:For example I'm surprised no one is talking about what the monsters in this episode suggest: that Casca is probably not going to want to immediately resume any kind of romantic relationship when she's restored. Not that it wasn't obvious to begin with, but I think this episode cemented it. People have been fantasizing about the Skull Knight's warning to Guts for years, but really, that simple fact would more than fit the bill.
But before getting to that they need to resolve the trauma and as I've mentioned before I feel like they aren't much closer to doing it than they were 4 episodes ago. They do know a good deal about Casca's past now, of course, which is essential to helping her out.
And of course aside from all that there's the matter of Farnese and Schierke's own well-being. It's been made clear they're facing actual danger and I frankly have no idea how they'll get through the memory of the rape. Would Danan be able to shield them from the worst of it? Schierke's so young, and Farnese's mental resilience isn't the strongest... I can't imagine they wouldn't be traumatised if they were to experience it normally. Would Farnese shield Schierke from it and bear the trauma alone? It would be exceptionally brave of her, but also quite risky. As they have been warned, as as we've seen before, being hurt in there could have consequences on their real bodies... There's no telling what form that would take though. A scar? A discolored eye? I wonder.
MrFlibble said:I don't think there's much evidence for that, Casca in her current state is hostile towards men, but there's no reason why Casca would still be like that when her mind is restored, plus it seems like overkill for her to still carry the weight of her trauma with her after she recovered from that very same trauma.
MrFlibble said:I would have least thought, by this time they would have known who Griffith was and what he meant to Casca (they haven't even any memories of him in his tortured state yet,) it's going to get even more confusing when they see him in his God Hand form.
MrFlibble said:I don't think there's much evidence for that, Casca in her current state is hostile towards men, but there's no reason why Casca would still be like that when her mind is restored, plus it seems like overkill for her to still carry the weight of her trauma with her after she recovered from that very same trauma. Not that I'm expecting her to be all sunshine and rainbows after being insane for four years
MrFlibble said:I would have least thought, by this time they would have known who Griffith was and what he meant to Casca (they haven't even any memories of him in his tortured state yet,) it's going to get even more confusing when they see him in his God Hand form.
MrFlibble said:Quiloth
MrFlibble said:I am interseted in what she will think of Griffith after this though, I'm not one of the conspiritards who thinks Casca is going to flock to Griffith's side, but I don't think she has the capacity to hate him with the same intensity as Guts, he was after all the second most important man in her life.
MrFlibble said:Which brings me to another tangent, this all puts Griffith in a very vulnerable position, if Guts discovers from Casca that the moonlight boy is indeed his son and sharing a body with Griffith, then Griffith has just handed his greatest enemy knowledge about his only weak spot.
MrFlibble said:I don't think there's much evidence for that, Casca in her current state is hostile towards men, but there's no reason why Casca would still be like that when her mind is restored, plus it seems like overkill for her to still carry the weight of her trauma with her after she recovered from that very same trauma. Not that I'm expecting her to be all sunshine and rainbows after being insane for four years
MrFlibble said:I am interseted in what she will think of Griffith after this though, I'm not one of the conspiritards who thinks Casca is going to flock to Griffith's side, but I don't think she has the capacity to hate him with the same intensity as Guts, he was after all the second most important man in her life, and she may be a vital to convincing Guts to forgive Griffith, if that ever happens.
Which brings me to another tangent, this all puts Griffith in a very vulnerable position, if Guts discovers from Casca that the moonlight boy is indeed his son and sharing a body with Griffith, then Griffith has just handed his greatest enemy knowledge about his only weak spot.
Kaladin said:
Speaking of this, what knowledge will she have about her son once she's back? Will broken, she was able to identify him as her son even after changing to his current form and she can even feel him when he's nearby. That probably means that when Griffith corrupted the fœtus, Casca was also corrupted to some extent. That bring the question of whether that corruption will be vanquished by Farnese and Schierk or would that become a definitive part of her she will have to deal with.Aazealh said:Oh and just you wait till she learns he corrupted her and Guts' son, and then later on took over his body for himself.
darnage said:Speaking of this, what knowledge will she have about her son once she's back?
darnage said:she was able to identify him as her son even after changing to his current form and she can even feel him when he's nearby. That probably means that when Griffith corrupted the fœtus, Casca was also corrupted to some extent.