Is it fair to give some leniency, considering they picked up the Manga at such a crucial part? If it was at the start of the arc, perhaps the transition wouldnt cause so much problems in the story.
Episode 379
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IS THE CURRENT ARC TAKING PLACE IN THE WRONG LOCATION?
Was reading the latest chapter 379, and was wondering if maybe Kouji mori made a mistake here with the location the story is SUPPOSED to be taking place in. In chapter 339, when Silat and Rickert are about to flee Falconia, the destination they want to go to is Silat's village, which is in Midland territory. That village is full of Bakiraka warriors, who can even give spirit creatures a hard time.
In the latest chapter, Silat has Daiba use thought transference to tell or remind the people of Kushan that they are "a people of war".
When the actual people of war are the bakiraka clan. This is directly stated in chapter 294 when Jarif, a Kushan in Griffith's army, address the Bakiraka as "You are a warrior people". Warrior people are a people of war, not the average citizen of Kushan who has no background in a warrior lfie.
So, was this a mistake by Mori since he is just recalling the story as it was told to him by miura, or was this
- a) just Silat trying to raise the spirits of the Kushan people to fight the demons with a white lie, since he likely needs an army to fight griffith, not just the tiny bakiraka village?
- b) Silat is sincerely addressing the Kushan as his countrymen, even though they had banished his clan.
- Or was it something else?
I can see it being the latter, but it can easily be the former, since the original author is no longer here. Perhaps this arc of the story was supposed to take place in the bakiraka village.This is literally me nitpicking, but i thought i'd share this thought.
Was reading the latest chapter 379, and was wondering if maybe Kouji mori made a mistake here with the location the story is SUPPOSED to be taking place in. In chapter 339, when Silat and Rickert are about to flee Falconia, the destination they want to go to is Silat's village, which is in Midland territory. That village is full of Bakiraka warriors, who can even give spirit creatures a hard time.
In the latest chapter, Silat has Daiba use thought transference to tell or remind the people of Kushan that they are "a people of war".
When the actual people of war are the bakiraka clan. This is directly stated in chapter 294 when Jarif, a Kushan in Griffith's army, address the Bakiraka as "You are a warrior people". Warrior people are a people of war, not the average citizen of Kushan who has no background in a warrior lfie.
So, was this a mistake by Mori since he is just recalling the story as it was told to him by miura, or was this
- a) just Silat trying to raise the spirits of the Kushan people to fight the demons with a white lie, since he likely needs an army to fight griffith, not just the tiny bakiraka village?
- b) Silat is sincerely addressing the Kushan as his countrymen, even though they had banished his clan.
- Or was it something else?
I can see it being the latter, but it can easily be the former, since the original author is no longer here. Perhaps this arc of the story was supposed to take place in the bakiraka village.This is literally me nitpicking, but i thought i'd share this thought.
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I mean, look at what they've done since then and tell me whether you think it's gotten better.
Personally, I see no reason to excuse the fact it's so poorly done. If it was too hard, they just shouldn't have done it.
Yes. But it goes far beyond that.
Mori didn't need to recall anything here. As you've seen yourself, it's straight-up written in the manga. Any reader can figure it out. The Continuation team simply decided to ignore what Miura had planned.
Here are a number of detailed posts that may interest you: Episode 375 / Episode 376 / Episode 377 / Episode 378 / Episode 379
I just don't get it, with Miuras passing. The manga was never going to be the Berserk, it's a transmutation of his thoughts and ideas unique to Miura, but their is an expected threshold of storytelling that can stand on its own. Berserk despite its fantasy elements and world-building, it's the characters we connect deeply with and attach emotional investment with. Can they not hire a proper writer who understands the characters and moves them along with an understanding of their history, so that any new development in a character makes sense with respect to all their previous: thoughts, actions, motivations.
In regards to your comments about the botched confrontation with Griffith. Now that i reflect its become more jarring, their could have been a reaction from Schierke & Farnese to Griffith after delving into Cascas mind. Moreso Schierke, who was aware of the prophesised "Hawk of Darkness", who happened to murder her mother figure.
I remember reading some interview with Mori whilst translating with Google Translate to English (not the best). He mentioned Berserk was like deciphering a bible and you get the gist theirs being some rumination with the continuation. No matter how neatly everything is tied up together, it's completely unsatisfactory if the characters aren't written properly. Do you need Miuras notes to tell you Guts thoughts would be dominated by Casca If she's in danger, is the missing arm not a clue?
On a positive note, i really did enjoy last chapters art.
Thanks I'll check out the detailed posts. Theirs some catharsis in picturing how things should have played out
Yusuke Murata tends to redraws chapters for One-Punch-Man, although far too much. Could that work for Berserk, at the minmum they only need to add more dialogue to reflect the characters thoughts to make a transformative effect. Just throwing a solution out their.
Do we know it was deliberate for sure though? Thanks I will read those other posts.
Believe me: the more you think about any part of the Continuation, the more problems you'll find with it. There are surprisingly many.
Indeed, you don't. It's self-evident.
I don't think that would work. I mean again, see what they're currently doing. It sucks just as much if not more. And their dialogue is awful. Believe me, I check the Japanese version directly.
There is very little doubt in my mind that it is deliberate at this point, based on all of the changes they've made so far and on Mori's interviews about how they interpret and "strengthen" what they recall of Miura's intentions.
I see. Hmm I dont agree with your assessment though, even when i understand the sentiment. He did say that he was going to complete berserk exactly as he recalls it, and recall as i said previously is very unreliable.
Mori said a lot of things, you just aren't up to date. And he's not the one actually doing the Continuation, he only supervises it from afar.
Check these summaries of his comments (general summary; more detailed: one, two, three) after you've read all the posts I listed above. It's no use having this conversation until you've done so.
Thanks. Will check this.
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[...] Into the abyss will I run [...]
Mori's words are just not reliable, which is really bad because he's done in two years more interviews than Miura did in, idk, 10 years?
And I really think that he could have helped a lot more with this continuation, isn't he the only experienced mangaka in this team? No one else has experience with storytelling afaik.
It's obvious that this project is being done by amateurs in terms of storytelling, they can draw and at some extent mimic Miura style, I don't care if the faces look off most of the times, but they seem to have ZERO experience in telling a story even in short-term, they got lost before a episode finishes, sometimes(many times?) even on the same page the panels are confusing and don't go anywhere in the story.
I'm sure that if Mori was more dedicated (or isn't he allowed to?) to help he could have fixed most of these issues even though he is not a genius as Miura he have a great experience with his own manga for decades. That's not something to throw out, unrelated to the quality of his works, he has at least a lot of professional experience with publishing manga.
I don't think pulling a Yusuke Murata is even an option here. Murata's (incredibly flawed) method of releasing chapters is to push them out as quickly as possible, and when he reaches a wall in the story, he scraps the last 10-20 chapters that still haven't been compiled into a tankobon and rewrites/redraws them. Undoing more than a whole year's of work in the most recent case.
Studio Gaga works for months on each Berserk episode, and even though the episodes of Volume 42 had lots of wonky art and terrible writing, they fixed nothing in the Volume release. Whatever they're doing with Berserk, they seem confident enough in it to leave it fully untouched after its out.
That fixes everything. Thanks Mori!Excuse me, but they did add some more barrels.
I'm really struggling to understand not only Mori but also the assistants. Mori's role has already been discussed quite a bit here and it's weird seeing him care so little about the continuation. What started as a "I'll make sure to give the fans everything Miura wanted to tell and I want to honour my best friend's work and life with how this continuation happens" to what is effectively a brief reading of the finished name of an episode.
But also the team who, iirc, advocated for this continuation in the first place and pitched it with a finish of Miura's last worked-on episode 364. To become a mangaka or an assistant you have to be incredibly passionate about the industry and your art, since the pay is pretty miserable in most cases (unless you land a hit like Berserk) and working hours are pretty bad even for Japan standards. I imagined they'd want to use their work on the continuation as a proud "emblem" on their CV that shows what they're capable of.
Sure, it's difficult to do if there are boundaries set by another person's work who isn't living anymore, who you could otherwise ask whenever you would've needed to. But it feels like they only got 3 days to read through all of Berserk for the first time ever (not that they worked with him for months or years on it) and whatever they draw resembles some big panel they vaguely remember.
At this point it's clear they're deviating a lot from "only telling whatever they knew and nothing else" so they might as well JUST TRY to make a good version of that ending instead of just not trying, e.g. with Guts. Just try to think what his motivation would be. Of course, he'd be sad after losing Caska but why does their thought process have to stop there? If it's too difficult to get into Guts' mind, then ask professionals like people who studied psychology who perhaps could help come up with whatever thoughts could be in Guts' head right now.
I feel like Schierke's absence has been extended due to the same reason. They don't know what magic spells she would've used so now she's in hibernation and Farnese recycles her stuff. And if they don't know how to connect stuff (like the travel to the Kushan's empire), then simply show a damaged ship that arrives there and we'll know they wanted to express all the dangerous creatures anyone would encounter on sea. Coming up ourselves with whatever could've caused the damage could even be a fun thing to do with the continuation!
All in all, the continuation isn't only frustrating to read as a fan but also extremely boring. NOTHING new has been shown so far. I have yet to see a scene that isn't recycled. How does anyone in the team ever want to start their own series if a year-long journey hasn't culminated in anything creative so far?
I'm really sad that the continuation mostly evokes negative feelings for me. Typing this isn't fun at all. It's like scrolling an hour through Twitter and regretting it immediately.
Thankfully, everything Miura did still is a joy to read (and gets better every time), both podcasts are awesome to listen to and the forum is still great, too!
But also the team who, iirc, advocated for this continuation in the first place and pitched it with a finish of Miura's last worked-on episode 364. To become a mangaka or an assistant you have to be incredibly passionate about the industry and your art, since the pay is pretty miserable in most cases (unless you land a hit like Berserk) and working hours are pretty bad even for Japan standards. I imagined they'd want to use their work on the continuation as a proud "emblem" on their CV that shows what they're capable of.
Sure, it's difficult to do if there are boundaries set by another person's work who isn't living anymore, who you could otherwise ask whenever you would've needed to. But it feels like they only got 3 days to read through all of Berserk for the first time ever (not that they worked with him for months or years on it) and whatever they draw resembles some big panel they vaguely remember.
At this point it's clear they're deviating a lot from "only telling whatever they knew and nothing else" so they might as well JUST TRY to make a good version of that ending instead of just not trying, e.g. with Guts. Just try to think what his motivation would be. Of course, he'd be sad after losing Caska but why does their thought process have to stop there? If it's too difficult to get into Guts' mind, then ask professionals like people who studied psychology who perhaps could help come up with whatever thoughts could be in Guts' head right now.
I feel like Schierke's absence has been extended due to the same reason. They don't know what magic spells she would've used so now she's in hibernation and Farnese recycles her stuff. And if they don't know how to connect stuff (like the travel to the Kushan's empire), then simply show a damaged ship that arrives there and we'll know they wanted to express all the dangerous creatures anyone would encounter on sea. Coming up ourselves with whatever could've caused the damage could even be a fun thing to do with the continuation!
All in all, the continuation isn't only frustrating to read as a fan but also extremely boring. NOTHING new has been shown so far. I have yet to see a scene that isn't recycled. How does anyone in the team ever want to start their own series if a year-long journey hasn't culminated in anything creative so far?
I'm really sad that the continuation mostly evokes negative feelings for me. Typing this isn't fun at all. It's like scrolling an hour through Twitter and regretting it immediately.
Thankfully, everything Miura did still is a joy to read (and gets better every time), both podcasts are awesome to listen to and the forum is still great, too!
I'm afraid you're mistaken: in the Continuation, Guts hasn't spared a single thought for Casca so far, what he's been heartbroken about is that his sword betrayed him by not hitting Griffith.
That's right. And from there it's easy to deduce that Casca is being kept out of sight for the same reason.
Thankfully, everything Miura did still is a joy to read (and gets better every time), both podcasts are awesome to listen to and the forum is still great, too!
I'm glad we can offer a bit of solace!
Its funny and sad to think that when Griffith abducted Caska, we had an hard time to accept the fact that Miura would have gone in that direction with her character, but after Guts depression an Schierke coma its clear as the day that the continuation team didn't know shit from the very beginning of this project.
At least the main character of the series, Roderick is still around.
At least the main character of the series, Roderick is still around.
Maybe they'll manage to get to the end without Guts, Casca, Skull Knight, Griffith, or Scheirke having to talk or take any decisive actions. That certainly seems to be the choice they have been taking for now. 
Perhaps they think it's less blasphemous to have the supporting characters take center stage and develop for as long as they can.
Perhaps they think it's less blasphemous to have the supporting characters take center stage and develop for as long as they can.
If a (completely hypothetical and improbable) definitive Berserk animated production ever happened how would it even make sense of all this nonsense? At least by the time that happen, I would hope most come to terms with all these faults.
They might as well ignore it and do their own unrelated thing.
Imagine: Competing continuation visions, none of them lining up with Miura's.
I know, that was just me injecting why Guts would have been sad about the situation in Miura's version (given he'd also let Griffith take Caska), at least I assume it's why the continuation depicts him so depressed.
In my headcanon, Miura told the team that Guts would be heartbroken after Griffith is gone with Caska (rightfully so, after finally having her back, they still aren't really able to interact like they used to and then Griffith takes her away) but I think somehow no one in the team made that conclusion and instead looked at volume 1 and thought it must be because of his sword.
Indeed it was very surprising but it wouldn't be the first time Miura took a different approach to what most people would expect. Also, it was pretty imminent so I think Miura would've also planned for that abduction. To me, it feels like a logical thing for Griffith to do since he can't hurt her but is able to mitigate the boy's travelling like this. I'm not too big of a fan of the "damsel in distress who has to be saved" thingy after it took Caska so long to come back, but I'd imagine Miura would've let Caska be a lot more proactive even in captivity
That's what I figured, and that's why I had to point out it's not actually what they've depicted so far. I think it's better not to subconsciously rectify what they do because then you start rationalizing it, whereas instead we should consider whether it should be dismissed entirely.
You already said everything I could possible say about such episode. Man, I don't even know at this point, how can they both copy the plotline from Qlipoth while also being so far away from any prior established lore.
The most surreal part in all of this is everyone's reactions to the continuation. whoever I am talking to about the manga outside this forum seems to be just fine with it, its like I am the delusional one. Are established worldbuilding and character development not a thing in the general public? I'm truly baffled.
The most surreal part in all of this is everyone's reactions to the continuation. whoever I am talking to about the manga outside this forum seems to be just fine with it, its like I am the delusional one. Are established worldbuilding and character development not a thing in the general public? I'm truly baffled.
This is why I vote for the Aazealh version when all the dust settles.Imagine: Competing continuation visions, none of them lining up with Miura's.
Haven't seen anyone else mention it, maybe I've missed it, but..
Don't you think we're having kind of groundhog day with that "show guts half awake for the last two panels of the episode". If he's not relevant at all and you're not even gonna show us his thoughts then why even bother dangling him like shiny keys. I guess people would be too mad if they didn't show him at all.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the longest guts has been out of business/useless episode wise and irl time wise?
Don't you think we're having kind of groundhog day with that "show guts half awake for the last two panels of the episode". If he's not relevant at all and you're not even gonna show us his thoughts then why even bother dangling him like shiny keys. I guess people would be too mad if they didn't show him at all.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the longest guts has been out of business/useless episode wise and irl time wise?