This would be too stupid, even by the continuation's standards.
Episode 381
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I've gotten so demoralized I missed this release.
Once again Mori and friends have had amnesia since the last episode and are making up new motives for characters, while also repeating things they've already done. The art is also once again both very good in places and terrible in others. The paneling is confusing as ever, making it hard to even tell who is talking at important times. For example, there's a scene with Gut's face dead center with speech balloons all around it as if he's talking, but I had to read it three times to realize it was Daiba talking as it made no sense otherwise.
And the humiliation ritual for Guts continues. He's now a drooling moron that's hypnotized by a bunch of mooks. They'll have him dressing in drag and sucking his thumb next. And somehow after twenty terrified soldiers chaining him up, and Silat being incredibly familiar with him (along with Rickert's council), we are told they were all unaware that he was branded and think he's a common crook. Huh? They took such pains to capture him, and now they are acting like he's just some random prisoner of no consequence. If that's the case, why did Silat and friends capture the sea horse and make such a big deal of the party?
Isidro has an outburst for no real reason and is kicked out... What was the point? Schierke is still asleep. Serpico is just there. Farnese has no lines (but does get a compliment!). Rickert is absent. Silat mostly sulks. This episode is full of movie extras becoming the stars of the show.
And now that they are leading Guts off into the wilderness, which I suppose is a good excuse for the audience to not see him talk anymore, since he'll be offscreen. I wouldn't be surprised if Guts disappears from the series for a while while we focus on the Kushan Emperor, Roderick, Silat, and other supporting characters.
I'd be more forgiving if they didn't have these massive hiatuses between releases. With Miura it was forgivable because we'd always get thoughtful, well-paced episodes that would move plot, character, and action ahead each episode, while respecting what came before, all while producing memorable art. I imagine it took time and care to get it right.
With Mori and crew, they have a larger team than ever, the benefit of all of Berserk volumes, lots of fan feedback, and yet their plot, pacing, and character feels last minute, half-baked, and unconfident. Guts shouldn't be an impossible character to give a voice to, especially after three years. With this quality, it adds injury to insult to have 4 episodes a year.
Once again Mori and friends have had amnesia since the last episode and are making up new motives for characters, while also repeating things they've already done. The art is also once again both very good in places and terrible in others. The paneling is confusing as ever, making it hard to even tell who is talking at important times. For example, there's a scene with Gut's face dead center with speech balloons all around it as if he's talking, but I had to read it three times to realize it was Daiba talking as it made no sense otherwise.
And the humiliation ritual for Guts continues. He's now a drooling moron that's hypnotized by a bunch of mooks. They'll have him dressing in drag and sucking his thumb next. And somehow after twenty terrified soldiers chaining him up, and Silat being incredibly familiar with him (along with Rickert's council), we are told they were all unaware that he was branded and think he's a common crook. Huh? They took such pains to capture him, and now they are acting like he's just some random prisoner of no consequence. If that's the case, why did Silat and friends capture the sea horse and make such a big deal of the party?
Isidro has an outburst for no real reason and is kicked out... What was the point? Schierke is still asleep. Serpico is just there. Farnese has no lines (but does get a compliment!). Rickert is absent. Silat mostly sulks. This episode is full of movie extras becoming the stars of the show.
And now that they are leading Guts off into the wilderness, which I suppose is a good excuse for the audience to not see him talk anymore, since he'll be offscreen. I wouldn't be surprised if Guts disappears from the series for a while while we focus on the Kushan Emperor, Roderick, Silat, and other supporting characters.
I'd be more forgiving if they didn't have these massive hiatuses between releases. With Miura it was forgivable because we'd always get thoughtful, well-paced episodes that would move plot, character, and action ahead each episode, while respecting what came before, all while producing memorable art. I imagine it took time and care to get it right.
With Mori and crew, they have a larger team than ever, the benefit of all of Berserk volumes, lots of fan feedback, and yet their plot, pacing, and character feels last minute, half-baked, and unconfident. Guts shouldn't be an impossible character to give a voice to, especially after three years. With this quality, it adds injury to insult to have 4 episodes a year.
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Logically speaking. It will be to attract apostles so that new Man Made Behelit could be made again and a new army of Dakas could be created. Perhaps to protect Kushan from all the magical creatures and to defend it against Falconia (dont even ask).
If continuation takes this route, I can see Daiba and Co making a new Man Made Behelit which Guts then jumps, causing him to meet God of Abyss (again don't ask how and why, it is continuation). Then Guts is reborn as some kind of Demon-human hybrid (do as thy will and whatever BS they are ready to throw) or something or his sword just gets more powerful after an encounter with pure evil and becomes capable of damaging god hand (again, all bs stuff). Then final confrontation and Ze End!
And exactly thats why it will be done. LOL!
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Beelzebud
[...] Into the abyss will I run [...]
Not that this makes sense for what is established on Miura's Berserk, but I believe it don't need to make sense for the Continuation:
Use Guts as a magnet to me seems to be what Daiba is heading for, but why? Well, under Ganishka command he created the man-made behelit with many captured apostles, obviously it was the later Emperor who captured them, neither Daiba or any other Kushan was capable of this, maybe a horde of Daka could but first they need the pseudo behelit to have Daka.
Who else we know that can subdue apostles? Not only that, but also got a match against Ganishka true form and (with a fluffy help) held a finishing attack to it and make him retreat(I know I know that was situational, but still).
But why? We know that it could only be achieved because it was powered by Ganishka's fog, but does the continuation know that? Even with Miura I always had a felling that the man-made behelit concept would be used again, first because it was the key to the merge of worlds, and if it's needed to revert the state of the world some like reverse engineering could have been done with this concept, and second because it's use was capable of creating, possibly, the most powerful being below the God Hand. I still don't see any member of Guts co. agreeing with such a thing as becoming what they fight against, but this was the only time we saw anything close to manipulating a behelit usage before.
Sure I have many holes in this theory, we don't know what the magicians of Skellig were capable of and how their magic works, but we had tips about Volvaba that can manipulate departed souls(how that relates to corrupted souls of apostles?) and Molda might also know something about this field.
So while I know that the man-made behelit can't be replicated, it's concept can be used to create another thing and be used together with other different field of magic, and I believe such thing would have been used by Miura.
But now the Continuation team can only throw some shit at the ventilator without proper explanation and, as they keep doing over and over, contradicts Miura stablished facts. And I believe it's what will happen the next few episodes in Daiba's plan.
Which creatures? lol Fantasia did not even reached Kushan territory yet by what we know
I believe that's too far even for Continuation standards. Guts can have power ups, sure, but not from a source like the God of the Abyss or Apostles, that are what he most hates and antagonizes. That's a principle since ground zero, Guts can become a monster of his own, but he denies the essence of God Hand and apostles-like.
I can see they going in that path though, if SK infused his sword with behelits they can see that as something replicable by a man-made behelit. But indeed, it's all bullshit.
You're putting us in the very uncomfortable position of ideating reasonable next steps for the continuation, which is already off-course, already doesn't obey the established rules, and we all know won't go anywhere satisfying. But sure, I'll take on the challenge of trying to get in their heads, whether it makes sense or not...
Daiba is the whole reason Guts and the others were brought to the Kushan capital in the first place. And we know he and Silat are aligned in wanting to take down Griffith. So we can assume that whatever he's doing, it's to gain power for the upcoming conflict. Previously, Daiba sourced his power from other magical creatures. And evidently he only has (a?) Garuda under his control right now. So my initial stab at the idea is that perhaps he wants to use Guts as a lure to obtain more magical creatures, so he can tame them like he did with the Kundalini.
I really hope that's not the case, because it wouldn't be consistent with how the brand works. Yes, the brand was a beacon for evil creatures like the specters (ghosts) before the worlds merged, but not all creatures. Even if it did work, no lure should be necessary, because specters and magical creatures (should) are already everywhere now.
So then, if it's not a lure, then I would imagine that he intends to try to control Guts in a similar way as he once harnessed Ganishka's fog to control the Daka and Pischacha. Then he can uh... force Guts to fight apostles!
The most baffling thing to me is they don't respect things that were clearly established by Miura. Misunderstanding something about the rules of magic or apostles, OK - unfortunate and very embarrassing because they really *should* be experts on Berserk to be doing this thing. But stuff such as the world being overrun with fantastical beasts doesn't require any kind of in-depth knowledge. Literally just read the fucking manga!
Kinda starting to feel stupid for even giving these dudes the benefit of the doubt on having respectable intentions behind doing the continuation in the first place.
Kinda starting to feel stupid for even giving these dudes the benefit of the doubt on having respectable intentions behind doing the continuation in the first place.
I think original idea of Miura involved Bacchi and elves in some capability. That Behelit has been kept around for a reason.You're putting us in the very uncomfortable position of ideating reasonable next steps for the continuation, which is already off-course, already doesn't obey the established rules, and we all know won't go anywhere satisfying. But sure, I'll take on the challenge of trying to get in their heads, whether it makes sense or not...
Daiba is the whole reason Guts and the others were brought to the Kushan capital in the first place. And we know he and Silat are aligned in wanting to take down Griffith. So we can assume that whatever he's doing, it's to gain power for the upcoming conflict. Previously, Daiba sourced his power from other magical creatures. And evidently he only has (a?) Garuda under his control right now. So my initial stab at the idea is that perhaps he wants to use Guts as a lure to obtain more magical creatures, so he can tame them like he did with the Kundalini.
I really hope that's not the case, because it wouldn't be consistent with how the brand works. Yes, the brand was a beacon for evil creatures like the specters (ghosts) before the worlds merged, but not all creatures. Even if it did work, no lure should be necessary, because specters and magical creatures (should) are already everywhere now.
So then, if it's not a lure, then I would imagine that he intends to try to control Guts in a similar way as he once harnessed Ganishka's fog to control the Daka and Pischacha. Then he can uh... force Guts to fight apostles!
This Daiba driving entire show is a pure Kurosaki invention. The entire magical army of Kushan was spun around Ganishka's own apostle abilities. With him gone, Kushans providing a magical staging ground or development to Guts is a far fetched idea. But then this is continuation so, oh well..
Whats most frustrating for me personally has been complete loss of Skull Knight's back story. That is lost forever and for some reason Kurosaki has forgotten about him completely.
I don't need to be reminded that this isn't what Miura would have done. I even alluded to that already. Instead, I was addressing the current (fabricated) scenario.
Beelzebud
[...] Into the abyss will I run [...]
Hahaha sorry 'bout that, I would not use the word "reasonable" here, even it fit in the Continuation own rules, it's not based on reasonYou're putting us in the very uncomfortable position of ideating reasonable next steps for the continuation, which is already off-course, already doesn't obey the established rules, and we all know won't go anywhere satisfying. But sure, I'll take on the challenge of trying to get in their heads, whether it makes sense or not...
Anyway glad you take on the challenge, I just think that there may be also apostles involved in this human-lure thing, not only magical creatures, but who knows..
That would be the funniest thing that they made so farSo then, if it's not a lure, then I would imagine that he intends to try to control Guts in a similar way as he once harnessed Ganishka's fog to control the Daka and Pischacha. Then he can uh... force Guts to fight apostles!
Long time back 2ch was the "holy ground" for all such discussions. That being said, I do not know how it goes among Japanese fans these days.
The level of Berserk discussion on 2ch was never very high, even 20 years ago. No better than Reddit today.
Unfortunately @Traxus, there's no place of reference to point you towards. There used to be dedicated fan websites that had some form of small community, like Wired of Berserk or JD's blog (had a comment section), but it was nothing quite on the level of what you find in the West. And nowadays these places are all but extinct, so all that's left are social networks and news sites' comment sections. Some private discussion groups might exist on services like LINE but if so, I don't know about them.
ah shame
Lithrael
Remember, always hold your apple tight
Ah, so yes - we did get. One. Scene. And several sad, heartbroken looks. When what we ought to have is Isidro bitching for pages and someone trying to help him come to terms with it and how to approach it. Like with his struggles with his own inadequacy in the troll arc. But that would require someone who can write good dialog for any of our guys.
Actually, I think you're still too caught up in their own perversion of the story here. I believe Isidro, as he was portrayed in the real Berserk, wouldn't just mope around but try to do something about it. Characters in Berserk grew, their ordeals helped them surpass themselves. He wouldn't just be rehashing what he went through 20 volumes prior.