Aazealh said:No I'm not, and I wasn't mistaken before, so there's no "again".
Aazealh said:It's pretty clear to me that nothing was prepared for his death, so it came rather abruptly and wasn't particularly relevant to the rest, nor very good.
Aazealh said:If they knew his contract was to end, they should have inquired earlier about it and prepared themselves for his departure. By "contract" I didn't mean any contract but one that would have ensured the actor would stay for as long as his character was supposed to be on air. At least Ana-Lucia's death was written in much more smoothly. The point remains that the writers are sloppy in many ways.
Aazealh said:It's cool that you're such a fan of the show, but as you can see we're more critical of it in general. In the end though, we're still all watching it.
A.C said:The writers hadn't even written the "Christ Club" thing when they began, it was just something Adewale did on his own with a stick and the writers became interested in it.
A.C said:Well, you were saying something about Jack saying that they shouldn't be alive and that was sort of mistaken.
A.C said:Whether you believe it or not the writers made several hints in the podcasts around that time that they knew Adewale (Eko) was going to leave the show by the time Ana-Lucia died and that they tried to extend Adewale's stay so that Eko could get a proper end (and not just die in the hatch explosion)
A.C said:That's why they added that silly plot where Eko had been taken by a Polar bear, which I will agree was lame.
A.C said:I disagree that it wasn't relevant, it revealed so many things about the nature of the monster and the visions. I will never look at the episode "Dave" with the same eyes again after that episode. It wasn't the first time one of the 815ers were tested by the monster, and Eko went out like a rockstar.
A.C said:I'm not sure there was supposed to be more to Eko's storyline than what we got. If the writers wanted Eko to stay it would probably have more to do with Eko being a fan favorite than Eko being important to the storyline.
A.C said:From the Season 2 DVD extra it's pretty clear that Ana and Eko was simply brought in to "kick butt" and make the second season more intense.
A.C said:I don't mind if you are critical, I was critical at first too, especially around the middle of Season 2, but you guys are still arguing that the writers don't know where they're going with the story even though they have already conceptualized the ending and announced that there are *exactly* 48 episodes remaining...
Griffith No More! said:a lame special effect.
Aazealh said:I have to say, the first time we saw the monster was truly one of the biggest disappointments I felt while watching a TV series.
Griffith No More! said:The same, I would have preferred an invisible monster to be honest, which is basically what it was originally. Like, they could have spent nothing and just had the actors cower before nothing and it would have been more effective, and kind of interesting. I'm dead serious.
Aazealh said:Yeah, I agree. Just never truly revealing it would have been more effective, like what they did at first. And the smoke aspect just doesn't seem to make much sense anyway. What's it supposed to be made of, magic nanomachines?
Griffith No More! said:Midichlorians! Actually, the monster is a living form of pure concentrated bullshit. =)
Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:I'm trying to figure out HOW floating grinded up charcoal stomps. Better yet, how does it get blocked by a force field? Couldn't the monster simply float over it? How? Is there any back story to this thing?
Griffith No More! said:Uhh... it's all part of the plan, you know, intelligent design. On the seventh day, God created Lost.
Hahahaha, yeah, right. Not sure if you're joking or not, but I've read similar sentiments on the SA forums. So, I'll regard that as truth for now...A.C said:Also, they're the good guys
Even better than Dragonball?! GET OUT OF MY THREAD.I never took the show to be dead serious or expecting it to be a masterpiece either. It's still miles above most other TV shows (including Anime.)
A.C said:I think it's funny how you guys don't want to be involved in discussing the show, yet you seem to pay at least some attention to it by reading articles and stuff. It's like you're embarrassed to admit you know things about the show. =)
A.C said:Eko had a black soul
A.C said:I don't believe this, because before they could even announce it, they had to make a deal with ABC that would allowed them to even end the show when they wanted, because it was the uncertainty that made the writers always be vague about how long the show would run. The writers even admit that the first three seasons had some poor fillers because they didn't know how much story they should use so as not to burn through all their material too quickly in case ABC wanted the show to stay on the air forever. They also felt the seasons were too long and are now happy to make shorter, 16 episode long seasons with zero fillers for the sake of the audience. I think they're cool and I think the new seasons will be awesome.
A.C said:I'm aware of that, but at the core there is still Damon and Carlton who are the producers, writers, and creators of the show. They have obviously outlined the story for the other writers to follow. JJ. Abrams has said he felt comfortable leaving the show in their hands.
A.C said:I agree that the writers sometimes listen a bit too much on the fans and makes some awkward fan references (like "You two arguing over who's your favorite Other?") but I never took the show to be dead serious or expecting it to be a masterpiece either. It's still miles above most other TV shows (including Anime.)
A.C said:So I don't agree that everything becomes less interesting by the fact that it's explained. Also, what exactly at the end of season 3 is it you don't think will be as good once they explain? How they got off the island? Who is in the coffin? Who's on the freighter? I think those answers will be cool and compelling nomatter how they're revealed.
A.C said:I think it's funny how you guys don't want to be involved in discussing the show, yet you seem to pay at least some attention to it by reading articles and stuff. It's like you're embarrassed to admit you know things about the show. =)
A.C said:I think the show is set up so that any character can become important to the storyline, because the storyline is flexible and is centered around this mysterious island.
A.C said:Eko had a black soul, which was evident by the episode you dislike so much and every other flashback he had. The island made him a better person at first, but in the end Eko would not repent. I find it fascinating even if I can understand why you would find it indignified to the character.
A.C said:I don't believe this, because before they could even announce it, they had to make a deal with ABC that would allowed them to even end the show when they wanted, because it was the uncertainty that made the writers always be vague about how long the show would run.
A.C said:I agree that the writers sometimes listen a bit too much on the fans and makes some awkward fan references (like "You two arguing over who's your favorite Other?") but I never took the show to be dead serious or expecting it to be a masterpiece either. It's still miles above most other TV shows (including Anime.)
A.C said:As for the monster being a lame special effect... I liked that it was an artificial looking smoke, it still leaves it vague if it is a supernatural or pseudo-scientific thing.
A.C said:It is the watchdog of the Island which Dharma so cleverly nicknamed the "Cerberus".
A.C said:Who is in the coffin?
A.C said:maybe one or two of them came on the Black Rock ship?
A.C said:When the button was introduced everyone called bullshit, and right before the reveal the writers made us even more skeptical by introducing the Pearl station, but then we learn the button is actually real.
A.C said:I don't get it, isn't every story about giving away bits of revelations on some level? What's different from, let's say BERSERK which have tons of mysteries waiting to be revealed. I don't know, maybe you are critical and pessimistic about our favorite manga too, but Aaz and Walter seem to be happy waiting for those mysteries to be revealed.
This could be said about everything really. There are very few fictional works I'm into but I feel Lost is worth re-watching. I have not forgotten about the hatch and it will remain as one of those cool memories from this show, just like I will remember the past cool volumes of Berserk. =)
Griffith No More! said:And speaking of which, talking about the finale reminded of how awful Charlie's death was, it had holes in it big enough to swim through (literally), and now I've also written a huge post about Lost! UGH and double UGH, this... this...
A.C said:When the button was introduced everyone called bullshit
A.C said:Right now we're in doubt but I think it will change in Season 4. What I'm worried about is that alot of fans have been begging the writers not to make them the good guys and I would hate it if they started listening to them. But I don't think they will.
A.C said:Well, I saw it as a test. Eko was supposed to repent, not for the island or for this entity, but for himself. Eko was posing as a priest with high standards for morality, which is why the level of his test had to be that high. Hurley was tested by the same entity but his test involved the question of sanity rather than sin. Hurley was in as much danger but he made it thanks to Libby.
Griffith No More! said:I'd be careful with this line of comparison too, when it comes to possible Berserk blasphemy, the Aazperor is not as forgiving as I am.
Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:Actually I can tell you I was pissed off at Charlie's death even more so then you! WHY DID HE SHUT THE DOOR? There was no reason to kill a perfectly good character in such a lame way. He simply could have actually walked out of the room as it was flooding then closed the door behind him and he would have been fine.
Griffith No More! said:Still, at this point I've made my peace with it and it's lesser place in the story, they obviously went in a different direction with the purpose of it altogether, which I'm sure had nothing to do with the original intent. It goes back to the basic catch 22 of these kinds of shows, in that everything becomes less interesting just by the fact that it's explained at all, no matter what the explanation, because it won't be as compelling as the mystery and anticipation. So, they move on and make up a new compelling mystery. Just watch, the end of season 3 won't be nearly as good once they explain it...