Now I feel dumb because I didn't see this. It makes sense that they added them + Guts' leg because that panel looked strangely empty and didn't connect that well with the one right after. Still, these aren't really the changes that the continuation needs.
Volume 42 release
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According to Top Manga Oricon, Berserk volume 42 landed in the top 200 single volumes between November 2022 and November 2023, at the 180th place, with 179.751 copies.
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The new crew fundamentally does not understand (nor care to understand) the series or the characters. Guts’ indomitable will is what separates him and makes him the protagonist, as the strongest foe against “fate”.
What is in Gut’s character is to just pick himself up and start going after Griffith/Casca, whether he has a solution or not. Not being able to touch Griffith would not deter him.
Guts doesn't fight "against fate". And I think one could make the case that this is an exceptional situation, and that him being at a loss/in despair is an interesting idea precisely because it's not in his temperament.
Having said that, I'm sure we all agree that Guts being catatonic for the majority of the Continuation so far is a gross misrepresentation of his character. It's clearly a result of the team not knowing what to do with him. Same for Casca being out of sight and Schierke being lost in a trance.
I knew you’d nitpick that which is why I put it in quotations. Choose whatever word you want to use in a story that plays with the concept of predetermination vs human will.
I also didn’t say he “fights against fate”. But even that statement is arguable.
I'm not nitpicking, I'm saying it's not true. Berserk isn't the story of a guy who "fights against fate", or as you put it who is fate's "strongest foe". That's just not what's going on. Guts' adversaries are pretty clearly identified.
You said he's "the strongest foe against fate", which is worse. And no, it's not arguable because of this badly translated line from Flora. She's not saying Guts is fighting a supernatural, sentient force called fate. Dark Horse's shoddy work doesn't help here but this is still pretty basic reading comprehension stuff.
Anyway, this doesn't have to turn into a big argument, but you're wrong about this and should update the way you think if you want to better understand the series. Your loss if you don't, not like I care.
Strongly nitpicking. I put it in quotations so you know “fate” is a loose term. The point is he overcomes the odds and so called “prophecies”. He was born from a corpse and is deemed the struggler because his life is just one big fluke after the other that fans have theorized their must be a causality “counter-force”. Predetermination vs will is a massive subject in Berserk. Don’t know why you’re pretending this is out of left field.
I guess you don't understand the difference between fussing over inconsequential details and being wrong about major concepts.
"Beating the odds" isn't equivalent to being "the strongest foe against fate". You're being disingenuous here and you know it. That's disappointing.
That's not what the word "struggler" refers to. It literally means fighting with all your might, like an animal "using its four limbs" to frantically get out of a bind. Simply said, it's about the fact Guts fights like hell and never gives up. It's not about fate or anything like that.
What you said was incorrect, that's all. And I'm not sure you understand what that line you're quoting means, because it states human will is outside of humans' control. By the way, please stop attaching panels to every post you make. It's fine to use some from time to time, but otherwise just reference them in your response. Thank you.
Question, if I used the word “causality” would you have nitpicked that?I guess you don't understand the difference between fussing over inconsequential details and being wrong about major concepts.
"Beating the odds" isn't equivalent to being "the strongest foe against fate". You're being disingenuous here and you know it. That's disappointing.
That's not what the word "struggler" refers to. It literally means fighting with all your might, like an animal "using its four limbs" to frantically get out of a bind. Simply said, it's about the fact Guts fights like hell and never gives up. It's not about fate or anything like that.
What you said was incorrect, that's all. And I'm not sure you understand what that line you're quoting means, because it states human will is outside of humans' control. By the way, please stop attaching panels to every post you make. It's fine to use some from time to time, but otherwise just reference them in your response. Thank you.
I would mean the bad guys causality, obviously
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Look man, it's not a nitpick because it's not unimportant. It's not that big of a deal to admit a mistake, you know? But you do you.
Anyway yes, actually, it would still be wrong to say "Guts is the strongest foe against causality". The problem here is that you're ascribing sentience to a neutral force.
To recap: the word "fate" in Berserk is used like in the real world, not to describe some mystical power but more as a poetic way to evoke hardships or happenstance. Causality however is described as a force. Let me cite myself here:
What's important for our discussion is that causality doesn't have a mind of its own, it's just a tool for Void and/or the God of the Abyss to achieve their designs. And as I go on to say in that post, it's not their exclusive domain either, it's more complicated than that.
I think you know all of this already, but you're clinging to the old misconception that "Guts is outside fate" or that he's exceptionally able to go against it. If you just let go of it, you'll find things a lot easier to make sense of. And it doesn't change the fact Guts is badass and iron-willed. It's just that he's not impervious to causality (which is pretty clear from the story), and causality isn't the big bad guy, but a means through which the bad guys impose their will upon the world.
This is perfectly summarized by one of Void's famous lines: "If it's a principle that fate transcends human intellect and makes playthings of humans... It's causality that humans confront fate with evil." What he's talking about is the use of evil power by humans to gain a higher form of agency over their lives instead of being victims of happenstance. It's exemplified by apostles sacrificing the people dearest to them to reverse their misfortune.
On that note, one thing not many readers know is that the concept of causality exists in Buddhism, where bad deeds result in bad outcomes and good deeds in good ones, a notion related to that of karma. I believe this can be useful to understand the nuances of causality in Berserk.