After watching the anime series I naturally started to read the manga but I'm still confused as to where the sacrificed exist. Are they spiritually and physically dead slaves to God Hand? Or maybe neither? The reason I wonder is because I would like some insight as to what would happen to the branded (i.e. Band of the Hawk) if Idea and God Hand ever cease to exist.
Where are the sacrificed?
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The Hawks were branded, and seconds later were killed. They are spiritually and physically dead. Nothing can return them. Guts was branded, but survived. So he lives spiritually dead, but physically alive. He is still tied to the spirit world, in that he is still the apostles and demons 'property', as Griffith 'signed over the contract' to Guts with his sacrifice.
Sorry I used so many figure of speeches but I'm in the mood damnit.
Sorry I used so many figure of speeches but I'm in the mood damnit.
I'm not sure, but I'd say they're in "hell".
In volume 3, Guts was about to go in hell because of his brand, it seems, so...
And according to the God Hands, once you're in hell, you're trapped forever, and eventually lose you identity (I don't think we know how much time it takes to lose your identity like that... maybe it's already too late for the sacrificed Hawk Soldiers? :-/ )...
As for what would happen if the Idea of Evil was to be destroyed...
Well, it said that it was born as the "ego" of the dark side of human consciousness.
So, right now, that "dark side of human consciousness" is called "hell", and "is" the Idea of Evil. The "big heart" seen in episodes 82 and 83 is nothing but the Idea of Evil's "core".
So, I guess that the question would be: "was the dark side of human consciousness "hell" even before the Idea of Evil was born as its ego?" If not, how was it different?
In volume 3, Guts was about to go in hell because of his brand, it seems, so...
And according to the God Hands, once you're in hell, you're trapped forever, and eventually lose you identity (I don't think we know how much time it takes to lose your identity like that... maybe it's already too late for the sacrificed Hawk Soldiers? :-/ )...
As for what would happen if the Idea of Evil was to be destroyed...
Well, it said that it was born as the "ego" of the dark side of human consciousness.
So, right now, that "dark side of human consciousness" is called "hell", and "is" the Idea of Evil. The "big heart" seen in episodes 82 and 83 is nothing but the Idea of Evil's "core".
So, I guess that the question would be: "was the dark side of human consciousness "hell" even before the Idea of Evil was born as its ego?" If not, how was it different?
Thanks for the information guys.Olivier, that is an interesting question but I definitely don't know enough about Berserk to begin to theorize about it.I was wondering more about how the branded are tied to Idea and God Hand in the context of them (branded) possibly returning to normal human form.Walter says they are dead but I would like to think otherwise because Judeau,Pippin, and even Corkus are cool characters that aren't known enough.Oh well, I guess that's what made the Eclipse such a sacrifice in the first place.
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paradiselost
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...uhmmmmm...I'm not sure all them they are in "Hell"...
...in my opinion, they are in the "Vortex" that is around "Idea"...
8)
...in my opinion, they are in the "Vortex" that is around "Idea"...
8)
Not necessarily "everyone", since that "ocean of feelings" is only the _dark side_ of human consciousness, and the Count disappeared in it because he was an Apostle.
But the God Hands said that those who "get involved with evil" are supposed to go straight to hell as well, and Guts is one of those.
their remains were found in a sea of blood in vol14 werent they?
Yeah, but so were the Count's and Wyald's bodies.
It's not the body that ends up in hell.
Vampire_Hunter_Bob
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Were they in ther humen forms or demon? Sea of Blood??? can someone explain what that is?
the worth less,
David
The Apostles' bodies revert to their human form after their death.
The Hawk Soldiers' blood, found by Farnese after the Occultation.
Vampire_Hunter_Bob
Cats are great
then how did The Count and Wyald end up there?
Their bodies weren't _there_ specifically. ^_^;
All I wanted to say is that there were there were "remains" as well, when they died.
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paradiselost
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...you are right, Olivier, but however, all souls of evil people death go into the "Vortex" that is around Idea...
;)
;)
I just understood why you said that... I missed that post:
The "vortex" around the core of the Idea _is_ Hell.
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paradiselost
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...well, obviously...
;)
...Idea seems to be the centre of Hell...uhmmmmmmm...
;)
...Idea seems to be the centre of Hell...uhmmmmmmm...
Obviously, it wasn't obvious for you... ^^;
Like I already explained in this very thread, the Idea of Evil is the ego of hell. It _is_ hell, in a sense.
The big heart seen in episodes 82 and 83 is just the core of hell, the core of the Idea of Evil.
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paradiselost
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...well, I agree at all for all you say about Evil, but not too much about the story of Hell...
...I was telling you "obviously" referring about what you were writing before...fiuuuuuuuuuuu!
;)
...this idea of Hell is something too easy in my opinion...
...it's too simple like an explanation...
...uhmmmm...
...I was telling you "obviously" referring about what you were writing before...fiuuuuuuuuuuu!
;)
...this idea of Hell is something too easy in my opinion...
...it's too simple like an explanation...
...uhmmmm...
Just look at volume 3 and episode 83: it's what is called "Hell". Even Femto and the Idea of Evil said so.
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siaosan
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They are in my pocketball ! ;D
^___^;
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siaosan
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Four more post and I will burn the thread !!!
*GYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA* è___é
*GYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA* è___é
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siaosan
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Why don't you agreeeeee ?!? T_____T
(Hey you've made a girl cry. Gimme a bill. ¬___¬; )
