Who is the sexiest girl?

[Anna]

I'm not sure you're supposed to be choosing from "versions" of people. And I hope you realize that it's very unlikely Farnese will ever regress to how she was prior to volume 23 in the future. She's changed for good.

...?! Pardon me?!

I thought it was necessary to make the distinctions. After all, Pre-Eclipse Casca was a completely different person to who she is now. The person whom Guts and I fell for is either gone or very deeply buried. In addition, I found Casca far more physically attractive with cropped hair and a muscular physique. Is that a problem? Same goes for Farnese. She’s changed a lot, as you said. SM!Farnese was far sexier to me. And I don't think she suits her current hairstyle. It's a matter of personal preference. This is a "sexiest character" topic; it’s hardly serious stuff. I was listing whom and what I find sexy in Berserk - on the female side of things. I chose Farnese because I think she’s the sexiest woman in the series, overall, and has the most potential, as far as future hot scenes go.

I'm (not-so-secretly) hoping that something will happen between Farnese and Serpico, in the future. In my opinion, the sexual tension between them is unresolved. I'm hoping it will come to a head. Hoping - not expecting. This is a fantasy of mine - not a prediction. There are few certainties in the world of Berserk. None of us can know for sure what will, or will not, happen.

 

[Zelz]

Well, thats one of things why I like about Berserk, how the characters change and their personalities evolve due to what they have experienced. Anyway it would be cool to see Serpico and Farnesse get together though I doubt too that it will happen. I mean we know he has feelings for her but I think its more like brother and sister.

Anyway, back on topic, I still stay slann is the most attractive female physically, especially if she wasn't a demon, with the wings, and snake like hair. Other than that probably Charlotte and Farnesse.

 

[Aazealh]

All I'm telling you is that if you're clinging to past depictions of characters that have turned into fantasies, by doing so you're missing the point of how much these characters have evolved (and are still evolving). I think that would be regrettable. I can understand why people would talk about a pre-trauma Casca since she's now a vegetable and hard to relate to, but that case doesn't really apply to Farnese because what we have now is the real her, as opposed to the tortured, misguided and mentally unstable woman she was before. "SM!Farnese" is nothing and has no future potential, take that as a certainty or a prediction, but she's not going back there. It's the contrary for Casca, her character will most likely regain some of its former glory at some point in the future. That makes for two pretty different cases.

It's fine that you like the early Farnese more, but I don't think you should discard her actual self over an idealized version that has no relevance in the present day and won't have any in the future either. As for Farnese and Serpico getting together, personally I don't think it'll happen. It's another one of those things from the past, and while it has indeed not been resolved yet, I think it will be soon enough and that they'll settle as brother and sister. In a sense we could say it ended when he shook her in episode 178. Farnese has more or less moved on already and she's been thinking more of Guts than Serpico lately. Plus now there's also Roderick and she doesn't seem totally unmoved by his courting, even though it's too early to make any solid prediction in that regard. Sooner or later Serpico will have to get himself together and tell her that they're half-brother and sister, and then he'll need to move on with his life too and find new goals. Otherwise he'll be left behind.

 

[Anna]

I appreciate what you're saying... but I'm not sure I agree (surprise, surprise). With all due respect - for I'm sure your knowledge of Berserk far exceeds my own - I think that your view on this matter is far more... "fantastical" than mine. You speak as though Farnese's past was just a phase that she went through - when in fact it is a huge part of who she is, of who she will always be. Farnese is a pyromaniac and a sadomasochist; she has been since early childhood, i.e. most of her life. Comparatively, her relative mental stability has been short-lived. I'd say that the earlier Farnese is the "real" one. The scars of her life are deeply etched onto her soul.

Farnese has made a lot of progress, but she isn't in the clear just yet. Relapses are common to both addiction and mental illness. Completely full and smooth recoveries, without any hiccups, are rare. People can be clean and/or stable for many months, even years - but then a tragedy befalls them, such as a death in the family, or some kind of heartbreak, or misfortune, and they relapse. Take Courtney Love, for a horrible example: will she ever stay clean, or has she simply been on drugs for too long (since childhood) to make a full recovery? ...Depressing, I know.

The series has a long way to go yet. Farnese will have to change to remain interesting - which can mean going backwards as well as forwards. Maybe Miura intends for her to be a static character, from here on out - "fully changed", as you said; in my opinion, that would be both boring and unrealistic. We'll see....

I don't expect Serpico and Farnese to "get together", in the sense of becoming a couple. But I think that if, or rather when, she is ever weak again, she will turn to him - and he may not have the strength to resist her a second time. Theirs is a classic co-dependent relationship. Even if it never becomes explicitly sexual, there is still enough there for Farnese's mother to pick up on. "Stinks of taboo", and all.

 

[CnC]

I appreciate what you're saying... but I'm not sure I agree (surprise, surprise). With all due respect - for I'm sure your knowledge of Berserk far exceeds my own - I think that your view on this matter is far more... "fantastical" than mine. You speak as though Farnese's past was just a phase that she went through - when in fact it is a huge part of who she is, of who she will always be. Farnese is a pyromaniac and a sadomasochist; she has been since early childhood, i.e. most of her life. Comparatively, her relative mental stability has been short-lived. I'd say that the earlier Farnese is the "real" one. The scars of her life are deeply etched onto her soul.

Farnese has made a lot of progress, but she isn't in the clear just yet. Relapses are common to both addiction and mental illness. Completely full and smooth recoveries, without any hiccups, are rare. People can be clean and/or stable for many months, even years - but then a tragedy befalls them, such as a death in the family, or some kind of heartbreak, or misfortune, and they relapse. Take Courtney Love, for a horrible example: will she ever stay clean, or has she simply been on drugs for too long (since childhood) to make a full recovery? ...Depressing, I know.

The series has a long way to go yet. Farnese will have to change to remain interesting - which can mean going backwards as well as forwards. Maybe Miura intends for her to be a static character, from here on out - "fully changed", as you said; in my opinion, that would be both boring and unrealistic. We'll see....

I don't expect Serpico and Farnese to "get together", in the sense of becoming a couple. But I think that if, or rather when, she is ever weak again, she will turn to him - and he may not have the strength to resist her a second time. Theirs is a classic co-dependent relationship. Even if it never becomes explicitly sexual, there is still enough there for Farnese's mother to pick up on. "Stinks of taboo", and all.

You're right, Slan is totally hot. Lets move on.

 

[A.C]

hmm

Casca has that exotic look with the hot pre-eclipse muscular body...
Luca has a very attractive personality...
Farnase is interesting with her sexdisorders...
and Slan has that arousing pornstar-like body

so, of course, the winner is:



















Snail Count's Wife!

 

[Aazealh]

I appreciate what you're saying... but I'm not sure I agree (surprise, surprise). With all due respect - for I'm sure your knowledge of Berserk far exceeds my own - I think that your view on this matter is far more... "fantastical" than mine. You speak as though Farnese's past was just a phase that she went through - when in fact it is a huge part of who she is, of who she will always be.

Well I'd say it was most definitely a phase, and it was due to her traumatic childhood more than to her personality in itself. And she's also clearly past that phase (still in the process of redefining herself), that's pretty clear to me. She was uneasy before, and now she's in peace. I'm not going to quote the last ten volumes of the manga here (though considering the general shittiness of this thread, any serious discussion can only be a golden nugget), but she has globally gone from bad to good in all respects. Now however I'm not saying her past isn't a part of who she is anymore. It's obviously defining her in a lot of ways, what I'm trying to say here is that she shouldn't be limited to it. It's just not fair to the character IMHO, and I don't think it's really related to her haircut. It's just because now she's a shy, kind, introverted woman and to some people that's just no fun. In my mind a character has to be considered as a whole, and not just as what he was in a specific period of his life. In that regard I don't think reducing her to her actions in volume 16 is judicious.

Farnese is a pyromaniac and a sadomasochist; she has been since early childhood, i.e. most of her life. Comparatively, her relative mental stability has been short-lived. I'd say that the earlier Farnese is the "real" one. The scars of her life are deeply etched onto her soul.

Is she really a pyromaniac and a sadomasochist at heart? Or was that just the manifestation of her extreme anguish since she was a child? I believe in the latter, quite firmly I must say, and I think the comparatively long exposure we've had to her new personalty in the manga as opposed to the sparse flashbacks we've seen depicted her past tends to reinforce that point. And I definitely can't agree with you here about who's the real Farnese. She wasn't happy before and she is now. She cried herself to sleep in volume 18. That's not what pyromaniacs and sadomasochists do. She'll tried all she could to convince herself of the contrary, but deep down she always knew something was wrong. The change she underwent was ultimately a great relief to her. And why would she choose to endure so many hardships to create an artificial self if all she's really is a sadomasochist and a pyromaniac? It doesn't make much sense compared to the idea that she tried to find her true self by going through such ordeals. Again, I think this is all really apparent if you pay attention to what she's done since volume 23 until now. And she hasn't exhibited any of her former "bad" traits ever since the events at Albion either. That's because she's accepted her weakness and has been working on strengthening herself instead of hiding behind a mask.

Farnese has made a lot of progress, but she isn't in the clear just yet. Relapses are common to both addiction and mental illness. Completely full and smooth recoveries, without any hiccups, are rare.

Well Farnese has had rough times. She was even tempted to return and stay under the rule of her father recently. That's her relapse (as her father and all her familial surroundings were what originally traumatized her). But during the majority of recent events she's been strong and has proven to be reliable, she's made efforts, took upon herself, and pulled through. That's not the attitude of a loser like Courtney Love. Burning things and degrading Serpico were means of expressing her anguish and fighting her fears as a kid, but now she's become an adult and I don't think these symptoms were necessarily the reflection of her true desires, meaning that she might not have a strong pull to do it again. Of course by principle there's no way to know for sure, but that's how I see it.

The series has a long way to go yet. Farnese will have to change to remain interesting - which can mean going backwards as well as forwards. Maybe Miura intends for her to be a static character, from here on out - "fully changed", as you said; in my opinion, that would be both boring and unrealistic. We'll see...

She's still got a long way to go, and by that I mean moving forward. She's just started studying to become a witch, she's found real friends, and the group she's part of has huge ordeals ahead of itself. I think there's plenty of potential for her that doesn't involve going backwards. I can guarantee you it won't be boring anyway, no matter what happens, at least not to me. And unrealistic? Berserk is about incredible people doing incredible things, and getting over their problems, surpassing themselves is part of it.

I don't expect Serpico and Farnese to "get together", in the sense of becoming a couple. But I think that if, or rather when, she is ever weak again, she will turn to him - and he may not have the strength to resist her a second time. Theirs is a classic co-dependent relationship.

A co-dependent relationship upon which Farnese is becoming less and less dependent. I'm not saying they'll "break up" or something, but I do think their relationship will evolve (is already evolving in fact), and not necessarily in a way that'll bring them closer together. They both have their own lives to live.

 

[A.C]

wouldn't Slan be closer to a real sadomasochist?

 

[handsome rakshas]

Jesus Christ! Hasn't anyone realized this sexiest girl thread is a breeding ground for hatred? The only altercation I ever had with someone on Sk.net was a direct result of this topic! And Casca is still beating Slan? Thats...accepatable.

 

[Aazealh]

wouldn't Slan be closer to a real sadomasochist?

Well yes, most definitely so. Slan's the real deal, especially when it comes to sadism.

Jesus Christ! Hasn't anyone realized this sexiest girl thread is a breeding ground for hatred? The only altercation I ever had with someone on Sk.net was a direct result of this topic!

Reading the first few pages hurts my brain. :( I didn't remember it was in that thread we had an argument, but I find it hilarious in retrospect. Caps matter!

 

[moridin]

I think people do change and that sometimes a "version" of them can seem sexier, cuter or more charismatic than other. That's one of the reasons people get divorced (why don't you buy me flowers anymore? why don't you keep your fitness anymore? etc). And sometimes a haircut can totally change someone's charisma (the character Felicity of the homonimous series is an example), so people could choose "longer-haired" Farneze over "short-haired" Farneze.
The characters you choose shouldn't be limitated to their current status, it's like if you asked who was sexyer, Audrey Hepburn or Birdgite Bardot, and made people choose between a corpse and a fat, racist old lady with osteoporosis (both were much better company in the 60's).

 

[Aazealh]

The characters you choose shouldn't be limitated to their current status

Nor should they be limited to some past status that's half-imaginary either. I think a character should be seen as a whole, and if you hate "current character A" then you shouldn't vote him the one you like the most "but only for the first 4 times we see him." You can prefer one "version" over another, but in the end it's still the same character. And if I'm not mistaken, this thread is about comparing different characters to each other and not to versions of themselves, that was my original point to Anna. Likewise, the version of a character that prevails over the others, assuming one does, should be the one that's truest to him and most represented in the manga, not just one you arbitrarily decide on.

 

[Stream]

and I don't think it's really related to her haircut.

: still laughing at this one


Btw Farnese is not my favorite, but the possessed-naked-sword-riding scene is one of those which totally own when it comes to sexually twisted scenes in Berserk

 

[Rhombaad]

Btw Farnese is not my favorite, but the possessed-naked-sword-riding scene is one of those which totally own when it comes to sexually twisted scenes in Berserk 

Gotta agree with you there. I had the same look on my face that Guts and Puck had. "...damn."

 

[Anna]

Nor should they be limited to some past status that's half-imaginary either. I think a character should be seen as a whole, and if you hate "current character A" then you shouldn't vote him the one you like the most "but only for the first 4 times we see him." You can prefer one "version" over another, but in the end it's still the same character. And if I'm not mistaken, this thread is about comparing different characters to each other and not to versions of themselves, that was my original point to Anna. Likewise, the version of a character that primes over the others, assuming one does, should be the one that's truest to him and most represented in the manga, not just one you arbitrarily decide on.

...How do you find the time to quibble over such trifling matters?

1) I did not "arbitrarily decide on" anything, thank you very much. I gave my decision careful thought.

2) It is strange that you use masculine pronouns to refer to an unspecified character(s) - especially considering that this thread is specifically designated for the discussion of female characters.

3) Your use of the word prime was incorrect. Prime, as a verb, can only mean "to prepare (for)/make ready (to)". Prevail would have been a far more fitting word.

I would like to reply, properly and at length, to your earlier post - but cannot currently find the time.

P.S. If that sounded really bitchy... I'm tired.

 

[Aazealh]

...How do you find the time to quibble over such trifling matters?

How do you find it? I mean, you're the one that spends hours replying to a post just to write 6 lines, aren't you?

1) I did not "arbitrarily decide on" anything, thank you very much. I gave my decision careful thought.

I don't think you understand that sentence. I wasn't talking to you, or specifically about you, either.

2) It is strange that you use masculine pronouns to refer to an unspecified character(s) - especially considering that this thread is specifically designated for the discussion of female characters.

By default, an undeterminate gender is represented as male. Maybe you didn't know that. If picking on such details isn't a waste of time though, I wonder what is. You defeat your own point.

3) Your use of the word prime was incorrect. Prime, as a verb, can only mean "to prepare (for)/make ready (to)". Prevail would have been a far more fitting word.

Yeah, you're right, prevail would have been better. I'll edit my post if that makes you happy. Do you want me to point out all the errors you've made so far posting on this forum?

I would like to reply, properly and at length, to your earlier post - but cannot currently find the time.

Yeah, I'm certain you'd need 10 hours to write 2 paragraphs or something, but that doesn't matter because you wouldn't reply properly, simply because you're wrong about the way you view Farnese. If that comforts you, I'd have liked to reply to your ridiculous posts about the "Happiest moment in Berserk," which were not only complete wastes of time (how do you find the time to quibble over such trivial matters?) but also deeply flawed. But I don't feel like wasting my time doing it.

 

[Anna]

[quote author=Aazealh]How do you find it? I mean, you're the one that spends hours replying to a post just to write 6 lines, aren't you? And why do you change the font size in your posts? It's useless.[/quote]
No - that reply took me about 10 minutes. I stay logged on/leave the computer on for hours even when I'm doing something completely different. Very wasteful of me, I know.

I change the font size because I find it easier to read smaller writing.

By default, an undeterminate gender is represented as male. Maybe you didn't know that. If picking on such details isn't a waste of time though, I wonder what is.

...I could launch into a whole rant about sexist language, and about how the assumption that any unknown person is male reflects on the marginalization of women in society... but I won't. I'm sure you wouldn't be interested.

Indeterminate... by the way.

Do you want me to point out all the errors you've made so far posting on this forum?

I'd love you to. I'm very meticulous about grammar; I'd gladly change them.

Yeah, I'm certain you'd need 10 hours to write 2 paragraphs or something, but that doesn't matter because you wouldn't reply properly, simply because you're wrong about the way you view Farnese. If that comforts you, I'd have liked to reply to your ridiculous posts about the "Happiest moment in Berserk," which were not only complete wastes of time (how do you find the time to quibble over such trivial matters?) but also deeply flawed. But I don't feel like wasting my time doing it.

It's nice that matters of opinion are so black-and-white, isn't it? Why bother having a forum at all, really? Because I am always so horrendously wrong and you are always so it's-surprising-he's-not-really-Miura right - I simply will not bother to challenge anything you say in future. I hope that makes you happy.

 

[Griffith]

*out of the hills to the East, Griffith launches his secret PINCER ATTACK*

...I could launch into a whole rant about sexist language, and about how the assumption that any unknown person is male reflects on the marginalization of women in society... but I won't. I'm sure you wouldn't be interested.

Uh oh...

"WHY IS FEMALE SPELLED WITH MALE IN IT!?!? GRRRRR!!! "​

Anyway, that's why I don't use sexist terminology like woman, female, or she, opting instead for enlightened gender identification such as girl, babe, dame, broad, toots, doll, frail, twist, and chick. When everyone starts doing this, only THEN, will our sisters be free.

Indeterminate... by the way.

I'd love you to. I'm very meticulous about grammar; I'd gladly change them.

Okay, undeterminate and indeterminate are synonyms, for one thing.

Aaz has quite an impressive English vocabulary for someone who speaks it as a second language.

 

[SaiyajinNoOuji]

I don't know. It just seemed like it was appropriate to post in this topic.

 

[Aazealh]

No - that reply took me about 10 minutes.

If you say so. I also do other things while posting myself you know, I think everybody does. I sometimes wait weeks to reply to a post. And when there isn't much activity (like in the past 4 months), I like to spark discussions in threads that are otherwise relatively uninteresting, like this one. I apologize if that offended you. I also don't think bickering on the time it takes to post is a good idea so I propose we drop it.

...I could launch into a whole rant about sexist language, and about how the assumption that any unknown person is male reflects on the marginalization of women in society... but I won't. I'm sure you wouldn't be interested.

I don't want to nitpick on such details, but the fact remains that what I said is correct. I like to go by formal ways in general, so while I can understand your concern, that's just the way the English language is. I don't think it's reasonable to see sexism in something so trivial though.

Indeterminate... by the way.

Both words exist and are synonyms.

It's nice that matters of opinion are so black-and-white, isn't it?

Well it's a bit different here. People tend to hide behind their right to have an opinion to avoid having to defend their views, and in this case I'm saying that based on the manga, you can't say that Farnese' true self is what she was in volume 17 as opposed to her current character. I don't think that matter is vague enough to be up to personal opinions. You may disagree and argue about it of course, feel free to do so.

Why bother having a forum at all, really? Because I am always so horrendously wrong and you are always so it's-surprising-he's-not-really-Miura right - I simply will not bother to challenge anything you say in future. I hope that makes you happy.

Hahaha, what are you talking about? A forum is made to discuss things, not to have everybody agree with each other all the time and be afraid to confront different ideas. It's also made to learn new things, and I'm efforcing myself to be helpful to others in that regard. You can challenge whatever you want, it won't make me happier or sadder. If that's your excuse for not responding at length though (and instead posting stuff like this), so be it. And please, spare me the classic comparison with Miura, it's so childish.

Anyway you do sound bitchy right now, so I'm just going to hope it's temporary and that you won't be resentful about this, and I'll be looking forward to seeing more of your posts in the future.

 

[CnC]

Hilarious little debate, here. I can always count on this thread to bring out the most interesting conversations...

 

[The Dragon Slayer]

Hilarious little debate, here.  I can always count on this thread to bring out the most interesting conversations...

I'd say hot! This chick needs her own realtiy show.

 

[bastard_swordsman]

You have to ask yourself; who would VOID pick...? My money's on Schnoz.

 

[Walter]

You have to ask yourself; who would VOID pick...? My money's on Schnoz.

Hmmm... the sex of Schnoz. I've never really given it a thought, I guess that's a result of the marginalization of women in society. But here's a little drawing I did of Schnoz on his first date:

 

[bastard_swordsman]

Hah, very nice! You managed to make him look rather nervous, considering how little capacity he has for expression. I wonder how he did the tie up?