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Takezo will be Musashi ...
« on: June 17, 2002, 02:36:53 AM »
Well ...
I've bought the 2 first volumes of Vagabond and I find it terrific, totally a chef d'oeuvre ... in the drawings as in the thoughts and behaviours of the characters.
I just wonder, for those who don't like it, if it is because of the part ( from vol3, i believe ) when Takezo tend to become a new man. Hell ! What are your reasons ?
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2002, 01:49:38 PM »
First I like it very much too. The reason they don't like it could be that the Vagabond universe is  very complicated (and they don't have Flora to"explain" everything :D )After all Musashi is not a fictious caracter and also in real life he was a very complex individual. His own  work"The book of five ring" ask for much thought. So Vagabond is not immediatly consumable like Berserk where at worst you can always enjoy a fight with a apostle and speculate if is stronger the snail count or wiald (it was done , you know :D)
And with that I have gained 800 enemies (how if they already weren't  ;D )
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2002, 02:51:20 PM »
I dont like it because:

1) I cant read japanese
2) This type of story has been done before
3) I cant read japanese
4) Volume 7 is a full volume long stand off... Thats not 'deep' thats just a waste of time.

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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2002, 03:03:23 PM »
come to the think of it, is it true that there is a likelihood for Slam Dunk p2?

(although i really don't think it's possible to recreate the atmosphere...)
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2002, 03:48:54 PM »
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I dont like it because:
 
1) I cant read japanese  
2) This type of story has been done before
3) I cant read japanese
4) Volume 7 is a full volume long stand off... Thats not 'deep' thats just a waste of time.
I haven't read Vagabond myself but Viz is publishing the English version (volume 1 is out now) in case you want to give it another chance.  ;)
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2002, 05:03:51 PM »
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1) I cant read japanese
That could be a probem. ^^;
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2) This type of story has been done before
Er... Well, yeah? It's an adaptation of a novel in the first place, so... ^^;
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4) Volume 7 is a full volume long stand off... Thats not 'deep' thats just a waste of time.
I don't think it was a waste of time.
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2002, 06:11:42 PM »
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4) Volume 7 is a full volume long stand off... Thats not 'deep' thats just a waste of time.

 :D  Yea, I gotta agree with that one.

For the most part... I just find Vagabond uninteresting.  The story is really nothing exceptional since it's just an adaption of an existing novel.  So that only leaves the art, which is damn good, but I need more than great art to really get into it.
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2002, 12:23:53 AM »
you're crazy, what's wrong ?
i don't see your point Walter, and others 'anglophones', you say the story is crappy but you haven't read it, actually ...
i personnally find this manga quite deep ( though i've only read the 1 and the 2 first tomes ), especially with the appearance of Takuan and the introspection of Takezo
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2002, 01:09:37 AM »
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you're crazy, what's wrong ?
i don't see your point Walter, and others 'anglophones', you say the story is crappy but you haven't read it, actually ...
i personnally find this manga quite deep ( though i've only read the 1 and the 2 first tomes ), especially with the appearance of Takuan and the introspection of Takezo
I hadn't read Berserk when I decided I loved the manga.
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2002, 02:57:27 PM »
this manga's actually easy for me to understand, so ive actually read some of it (only the first two volumes). theres nothing "deep" about it, IMO (at least not comparable to Berserk). the art, however, is astounding. it seems that every rock, tree, leaf and blade of grass has been drawn. its very realistic, and the arts the main reason why i like it, not the story.
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2002, 01:25:57 AM »
Has anyone read the book Musashi by Eiji Yoshikawa (of which the manga is based off of)?  If not, I highly recommend it!  Hell, even my mom liked it:P.

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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2002, 01:55:10 AM »
finally, i have the 8 first volumes
and about the 7th, there is the mental preparation of musashi, the long explanation-flash-back of in'ei and yagyu, this isn't only a 'long stand stuff'
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2002, 02:11:26 AM »
I've bought the volume 9
cool one, methinks, what do you think of it ?
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2002, 11:36:45 AM »
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the art, however, is astounding. it seems that every rock, tree, leaf and blade of grass has been drawn. its very realistic, and the arts the main reason why i like it, not the story.


hey ifthatsso i recommend GON  :D
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2002, 06:29:05 PM »
I've never read Vagabond, but I have read "Musashi" by Eji Yoshikawa(?).

I thought it was a pretty badass novel. I know both are based on the historical account of Shimmen(?) Takezo/Miyamoto Musashi, but how similar are the stories. If anyone knows, that is.

I ask because Musashi was based on real historical occurrences, but ultimately was a work of fiction, I think. So it stands to reason that Vagabond could be a drastically different story.

Thanks to whoever can let me know.
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2002, 09:22:46 PM »
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I thought it was a pretty badass novel. I know both are based on the historical account of Shimmen(?) Takezo/Miyamoto Musashi, but how similar are the stories. If anyone knows, that is.

I ask because Musashi was based on real historical occurrences, but ultimately was a work of fiction, I think. So it stands to reason that Vagabond could be a drastically different story.


The creator of Vagabond has openly stated that the manga / comic is (will be) derived from the events that transpire in Eiji Yoshikawa's book.  From what I've viewed (only two volumes), the story is pretty damn similar (although some of the characters' demeanors seem "off", and some sections of the book are omitted), and the comic has pictures (I like pictures  ;D ).
As for the rest of your post: Mr. Yoshikawa's book was based on real historical occurences.  All of the duels, relationships, people, etc. are historically real.  The majority of the dialog could only be facsimilied if the author had a time machine...But, the crux's of the major (i.e. governmental) conversations and what not are factual.


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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2002, 02:05:48 AM »
'have a question for those who have read the book
when musashi is at Yagyu's house and his pupil fights with a dog, where is it in the book ?
first quarter ? middle ? it could help me to figure out how many volumes there could be
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2002, 02:07:02 AM »
Cool. BTW, how many volumes are there?

And am I the only one who thinks it's odd that this manga is written by a guy who does nothing but manga about basketball?

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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2002, 09:50:59 AM »
ion france, there are 9 volumes
elsewhere...  ???
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2002, 12:08:25 PM »
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many volumes are there?

14.
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And am I the only one who thinks it's odd that this manga is written by a guy who does nothing but manga about basketball?

Well, he's obviously not "a guy who does nothing but manga about basketball" anymore? ^^
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2002, 01:16:31 PM »
i am getting more and more interested in "vagabond". i am pretty sure that i'm gonna get vol.1 pretty soon.
wasn't vagabond voted for "best new manga" or something in japan months ago?

yeah, i remember. olivier created a thread about it back then. vagabond was first right before berserk...
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2002, 09:19:33 PM »
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14.


Odd, I can only find 12 volumes. BTW, the cover art is pretty amazing. I'm not at all familiar with this artist's work, so I was a bit surprised.

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Well, he's obviously not "a guy who does nothing but manga about basketball" anymore? ^^


Heh, good point. It just seems like an odd transition. Two (3 maybe?) different manga about basketball then BAM, a manga based on one of the most famous samurai novels.

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i am getting more and more interested in "vagabond". i am pretty sure that i'm gonna get vol.1 pretty soon.
wasn't vagabond voted for "best new manga" or something in japan months ago?

yeah, i remember. olivier created a thread about it back then. vagabond was first right before berserk...


Well, both it and Berserk won the Osamu Tezuka Cultural Award. And it did get 1st place, so that definitely says something about its popularity.

A lot of people here really seem to dislike the story though. Which kinda makes me wonder.
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2002, 03:57:58 AM »
is there anyone who actually tried lone wolf and cub?

from browsing some vagabond related sites i feel very much reminded of lone wolf.

sure the drawings are not as good as vagabond since it's way older but lone wolf sure is the godfather of every storyline that deals with wandering samurais
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2002, 04:06:22 AM »
to olivier : 14 volumes and where is the story ?
much advanced ? to the still beginning ?
to wereallmad : hasn't berserk won another price ? like best drawing manga or something ? i thought i've seen that  :-/
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Re: Takezo will be Musashi ...
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2002, 05:02:48 AM »
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Odd, I can only find 12 volumes.

http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/works/vb/vbcomic.html
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A lot of people here really seem to dislike the story though. Which kinda makes me wonder.

'Makes me wonder about them. ^_-

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to olivier : 14 volumes and where is the story ?

You want me to spoil it for you, or what? ^^;
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much advanced ? to the still beginning ?

Define "advanced" and "beginning"? ^^;