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Episode 210
« on: October 26, 2002, 12:24:00 AM »
210 came out yesterday.
so... somebody translate this, please!!

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and sorry to disappoint you a litte bit :P
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Re:210
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2002, 12:41:47 AM »
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210th episode * praying (10/25 sales * Berserk) the seal magic moves finally. Light falls from the sky. With the light, the body of the trawl which stays near the temple deteriorated and fell. As for the barrier which the seal stretches it was the magic which removes spiritual ones which form damage. Light of the 4 colors is something where spirit power of the great existence where Hades is to be deep becomes manifest in the world, that great existence you call the kotodo of the protection angel which is recorded in saintly model of pope agency. As for the Farnese, in sutra like spell as for the power which calls miracle unless it is, you call to the seal. The magic loyal retainer in heart of the self, builds " the sanctuary " in order to meet with the angel and spirit, spirit of the spiritual world faces. It can mention the spirit which is heart itself, with only heart. Therefore, the form of the spirit which it should narrate in consciousness of the specialist must be imagined. It is not to try to believe those discernibly and there is no margin which if is doubted seeing, feeling, it can touch. You say that is possible to the person. It is secret principles of praying to recognize the partner who should convey thinking and to confront each other. Suddenly, thump echoes around. The guts which becomes aware to that. The fact that it appears was the large ogre (the Ogre). The Ogre dashes the temple to. Is, but it is not possible to get near with consequence of the joining boundary which is stretched around. You aim the Ogre which grasps the wooden pole in the temple, throw. The wooden pole it penetrates the joining boundary, pierces in the wall of the temple and sticks. " The joining boundary is effective to the 幽 body, but * & *! Being to be invalid in the object, it does! " Below, thought. As for the light which becomes manifest those by four kings. As for four kings it understood that Hades stays deeply. The flora is says, as for the world where the God * hand stays similarly Hades (the world of the Astral) deeply. Can be also a possibility of being four king = God hand. Story of the Mozgus which knows the scripture (descending/disembarking overlooking the angel which is done) also it is related in the Albion temple. In addition as for this consideration in opportunity * & *. Stays in the joining boundary the guts which has from the dragon murder which the strange smoke * & *. It has been said the seal " spiritual ones which inside position form damage in us everything it is removed ", must be. In order for trawl to keep deteriorating, it has been similar, but as for relationship certain? In dragon murder ???  shadow っ て damage? Whether (the meat one っ て of trawl just you say) why ogre of the Hades resident in the world appearance. So much, if it is large, when staying in the distance from, it is the expectation which becomes aware, but until it is approached in the temple, no one became aware. They were the circumstances which also the village people saw for the first time and, almost appearing simultaneously with thump is doubt. Hades and the world are connected near, being " a door "?

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Of course, it doesn't look pretty, but Im pretty sure the most important line in this whole chapter is "Hades and the world are connected near, being " a door "? "

Olivier?  8)
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Re:210
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2002, 02:13:58 AM »
the ADVENT of "OGRE" after the introduction of "troll" ... :(

I guess somewhat Berserk is changing to a NORMAL fantasy

role playing game. I wish my guess is wrong.

And please, Miura, do NOT play SONY games too much.

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Re:210
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2002, 02:30:56 AM »
...The ogre IS the troll.
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Re:210
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2002, 03:43:21 AM »
...The ogre IS the troll.

I don't think so.
The summary really refers to it as an _Ogre_ ("Űguru" in katakana),
as opposed to Trolls (translated "trawls" by Babelfish... -_-; )
Besides it seems to be a larger creature.

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Re:210
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2002, 04:02:56 AM »

I don't think so.
The summary really refers to it as an _Ogre_ ("Űguru" in katakana),
as opposed to Trolls (translated "trawls" by Babelfish... -_-; )
Besides it seems to be a larger creature.
yeah. didn't you think trolls are sorta weak for Guts to deal with?
as we see, Trolls are kinda easily defeated by the members of Guts band, compared to the other evil creatures Guts has fought with.
but the ogres are quite different from them.
much more powerful and larger than trolls 8)

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Re:210
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2002, 04:31:54 AM »
For as much as I could understand, this seems to be a very interesting episode.
As Walter already pointed out, an "opening" between the two worlds might soon be revealed.
And there might even be a beginning of explanation on what puzzled Schierke about the Dragonslayer... ^^
Also I hope we'll get more infos about the "Four Kings"

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Re:210
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2002, 06:29:40 AM »
The ogre was like in the greek mitoloy was called the titan Cronus ( the time that devours its sons) could be it the personification of time? Or are the trolls its sons?Or is he Hades?
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Re:210
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2002, 12:25:04 PM »
Golems trolls and now an ogre? Seems kinda weird [ignore the fact that Berserk already had a Minotaur (well, he's kind of a tiger/demon/minotaur), and a Griffen (cover of vol 21)].

When do we get to see a cyclops? I just know miura wont pass up an opportunity to make a 'one eyed monster' eating women and children.

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Re:210
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2002, 02:19:46 PM »
Also I hope we'll get more infos about the "Four Kings"
According to Schierke, they're the four angels mentioned in the "bible" of the Holy See.
So they're probably the ones Mozgus was talking about.
So they're probably the ones who destroyed Midland a thousand years ago.

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Re:210
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2002, 07:11:46 PM »
Also I hope we'll get more infos about the "Four Kings"
According to Schierke, they're the four angels mentioned in the "bible" of the Holy See.
So they're probably the ones Mozgus was talking about.
So they're probably the ones who destroyed Midland a thousand years ago.
We still don't know that they're any different than the God Hand though. Do we?
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2002, 07:21:01 PM »
We still don't know that they're any different than the God Hand though. Do we?
Not _really_, but Flora knows about the God Hands, and it doesn't look like she likes them (her comments about Guts' Beherit, her being friend with the Skull knight, ...).
So either Flora herself doesn't know that they're the same thing, or they're not the same thing, in my opinion...

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Re:210
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2002, 07:37:17 PM »
Im confused... At the end of 209, Schierke summoned the 4 kings of the world. I would assume that in 210 we'd get more than just talks about them, shouldn't we see a few panels of them?
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Re:210
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2002, 08:34:31 PM »
Well, even if they are the same, that doesnít necessarily mean they look the same in both forms. Anyway, theyíre probably different sets of Gods. Gods of nature seem a good counter to Gods of man. And if they are different, and the parallel is consistent with God Hand, then perhaps Guts is the 5th element. =)

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Re:210
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2002, 09:39:09 PM »
According to Schierke, they're the four angels mentioned in the "bible" of the Holy See.
So they're probably the ones Mozgus was talking about.
So they're probably the ones who destroyed Midland a thousand years ago.

So this theory is confirmed, according to Schierke anyway... ^^

It's pretty impressive how she is able to summon such powerful entities... makes me wonder who summoned them a 1000 years ago, that is if they ever needed any summoning when they destroyed Gaiseric's capital.

I'm also wondering if it was really Gaiseric who was meant to be "punished" that day, or rather the one(s) who caused his downfall (but now, _this_ is really speculation, and probably doesn't belong to this thread ^^;;; )
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Re:210
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2002, 09:50:32 PM »
makes me wonder who summoned them a 1000 years ago
According to Mozgus, a wiseman (sorcerer?).

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Re:210
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2002, 11:14:36 PM »
I'm speculating : Void could be that sorcerer ? so that he summoned these kings to destroy what had made Gaiseric ( even though he could be Gaiseric friend ) ... he would have then considered it was too late : people with their feelings had create the Idea of Evil
He would have known Flora ( a sorcerer too ) who has always been a pacifist so she wouldn't have done anything, but he could have sworn to rule by his own, over all ... crimson beherit : and Void would have become the representant of the Idea of Evil, master of Fate, sacrificing Gaiseric ... and Flora being Gaiseric's friend would have saved him, after what Gaiseric would have become a man haunted by spirits, living in the interstice, what could have make him go crazy and partly "lost his humanity" in shape as in mind
What do you think of that ? Sorry I know I'm not really clear ^^

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Re:210
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2002, 01:33:27 AM »
then perhaps Guts is the 5th element. =)

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I'm speculating : Void could be that sorcerer ? so that he summoned these kings to destroy what had made Gaiseric ( even though he could be Gaiseric friend ) ... he would have then considered it was too late : people with their feelings had create the Idea of Evil
He would have known Flora ( a sorcerer too ) who has always been a pacifist so she wouldn't have done anything, but he could have sworn to rule by his own, over all ... crimson beherit : and Void would have become the representant of the Idea of Evil, master of Fate, sacrificing Gaiseric ... and Flora being Gaiseric's friend would have saved him, after what Gaiseric would have become a man haunted by spirits, living in the interstice, what could have make him go crazy and partly "lost his humanity" in shape as in mind
What do you think of that ? Sorry I know I'm not really clear ^^
It's  a good theory that incorporates a lot of old ideas yet still manages to be radically different... and reasonably feasible. I like it a lot!
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Re:210
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2002, 01:49:29 AM »
Here's an off the wall theory, what if Void is Gaeseric?  And Skulley the wise man?  I doubt it, but it's food for thought.
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2002, 02:03:27 AM »
How I see it Gaiseric was the equivalent of Griffith today. He founded a empire of followers of the god hand. There was many sacrifices at them, the ones that we saw in the pit, and finally a sorcerer we don't know who he was, ended his reign of terror calling the fury of the four kings on Midland
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Re:210
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2002, 02:03:58 AM »
Here's an off the wall theory, what if Void is Gaeseric?  And Skulley the wise man?  I doubt it, but it's food for thought.
http://www.skullknight.net/spec/skully/skully2.htm  8)

I mean seriously... why deny it?
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Re:210
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2002, 03:13:23 PM »
what's the connection between ogres and trolls?

1) nothing
2) friends
3) cousins/half brothers and sisters
4) trolls are minions of ogres
5) ogres are mentors of trolls

...what do you think? ::)

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Re:210
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2002, 07:46:34 PM »
what's the connection between ogres and trolls?

1) nothing
2) friends
3) cousins/half brothers and sisters
4) trolls are minions of ogres
5) ogres are mentors of trolls

...what do you think? ::)


i think this should be in the new "polling category"    ::)

i think they aren't related anyway...

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Re:210
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2002, 04:21:10 PM »
I was just looking again at the image below(the only one known of Gaiseric)
It is obvious that is a mask, while Skully apparently wears none,(the skull is his true face like i see it) and there the likeness among the two of them ends, but look: all we see of Gaiseric face is his left eye-a human eye- and we don't see the right side clearly. Could it be that Miura didn't want us see that Gaiseric too had lost a eye?
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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2002, 05:07:19 PM »
Well, I was looking at the other only existing picture of Gaiseric, and you canít see either of his eyes in that one. But if Gaiseric was missing an eye, donít you think one Skullyís Christmas lights would be out? Anyway, this whole thing reminded me of the badass picture at the start volume 9. For those that donít own it, itís a picture of a stylized skull, missing itís right eye, with a Femto/Griffith hawk eye in the left socket. Itís wearing a crown of thorns on itís head with a single rose on the left. Perhaps most importantly, the right side of the skull is cracked open, rather than a brain, thereís a giant Beherit inside. The skull also has one wicked evil grin. So, lets take stock: I see elements of Skull Knight, Guts and Griffith all in one image. Plus, the Beherit and Thorn Crown, which I assume has metaphorical meaning to at least one or all of those characters. I donít really have good point, but it is a cool picture, and ya know, maybe it says something about Skully, I donít know. :)

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