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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #100 on: July 23, 2010, 11:00:59 PM »
But next week i will head to a library to get some facts that are even more convincing than the wikipedia entry. i will also look if it's right what was said in the sources!

Cool, thanks!

We don't know if he knows, there is given some ample scope! But how should he know that she would be related to the skull knight? Even Zodd seemed to be surprised.

The God Hand seem to know more about the history of the world than mere apostles, and SK and Flora's companionship apparently dates back to a long time ago. There's no hard proof, but I assume he knew of the connexion because of their past exploits. In any case, he deemed it necessary to get rid of her rapidly, and thought it important enough that he sent a sizable force to do it.

But it is out of the question that she was still powerful.

I think Grunbeld would disagree.

Even if femto/griffith is very powerful he is holding that back in his mind. this envy.

I can't agree that Griffith envies Guts. That he's tried too hard to show he didn't care about him in the past, yes. But there's nothing for him to envy.

Anyway, since this is off-topic now, I think it would be preferable to either continue the discussion privately or move it to another thread.

and i wanted to say sorry, when my texts seem arrogant or threatening, they are meant nice and just for a positive dialogue. English isn't my mother tongue, so it is very hard to maintain every nuance of my speech etc.

It's alright, don't sweat it.

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #101 on: July 23, 2010, 11:13:30 PM »
Just to see if i got his right.
There are these slugs, that can extend big tentacles out of their... mouths? which in turn are the sea-cucumbers.
The villagers are the "heads" of the small tentacles, and we did not see any slug in the last episode, although given their size, they should have been visible in some shots.
The pirate captain calls the tentacles the arms of the sea god.

Could this somehow be similar to the world's layers before the merging? I guess not, but in some way the slugs have been there all the time, they just have not been visible. As if they existed in a deeper layer and surfaced now, at the full moon.
In the same way, the villagers have been tentacles all the time, with their tentacle-nature being hidden until the slugs surfaced.
In that picture, the sea god could be imprisoned not only deep within the island, but in a deep layer as well.
Now, one after another, parts of him become visible as he "phases in" into the corporal layer.

Thing is, the world's layers already have merged, so it can't be quite like this. Or could it be, that this merging is not instantaneous, but still in progress? If so, the awakening of the sea god could be just the process of the merging: he was imprisoned somewhere deep, with parts of him not as deep as others. Now the layers slowly merge and piece after piece he appears.

I hope this made some sense at least, I'm still trying to figure out the mechanics behind the whole villager-tentacle-slug transformation.

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #102 on: July 23, 2010, 11:42:09 PM »
Episode looks great! but with the muscle shots, I fear for Guts safety.
If Guts were to get hurt really bad, maybe they will find themselves in a hurry reach Elfhelm to keep his body (or Ego) from falling apart. (which is my excuse for wanting them at Elfhelm ASAP :troll:)

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #103 on: July 24, 2010, 12:30:52 AM »
Wonderful episode! Man, the fight's only just begun and we're already starting the tally for Guts' potential injuries. Poor fella.

I'm also saddened by the thought of the Pirate Boss's (final) demise, but I guess even comic relief villains have to face justice. :azan:

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #104 on: July 24, 2010, 03:01:54 AM »
I know this may seem silly, but I wonder if there's any significance of Guts dropping his bag as he jumps up the tentacles. Though, it's probably just to show that he's got his concentration focused simply on slashing monsters apart.

Great episode. The best of this 3-episode run. I'm glad to see that volume 35 is coming out so soon. I can't wait to pick it up!

Two things that stuck out to me were the shots of his muscles (which are definitely hints of strain) and the shot of the chained Beast. If Guts keeps fighting off so many of these huge things, he's bound to get seriously messed up physically, whether he's "pulled back" by Schierke or not. I hope these merrows come to the rescue soon!

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« Reply #105 on: July 24, 2010, 03:35:15 AM »
If Guts is bound to be slugged and sea-god'ed into some sort of incapacitated state, how awesome would it be to see him to wake up in Elfhelm around all of his buddies and a hot, cured Casca who gently pats the sweat from his brow? Sigh.

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #106 on: July 24, 2010, 04:17:22 AM »
If Guts is bound to be slugged and sea-god'ed into some sort of incapacitated state, how awesome would it be to see him to wake up in Elfhelm around all of his buddies and a hot, cured Casca who gently pats the sweat from his brow? Sigh.
sounds great to me! :guts:
although at the same time.. I want to Guts to see Casca as she gets cured. maybe wake up to his friends on Elfhelm... then Casca gets cured. (there's bound to be some heavy emotions when Casca gets cured, not just a "How do you do?")

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #107 on: July 24, 2010, 05:08:44 AM »
I know this may seem silly, but I wonder if there's any significance of Guts dropping his bag as he jumps up the tentacles.
Guts loves and cherishes his bags as if they were a part of himself. Remember his speech to Ganishka? (translation may be a bit off :troll:)
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Oh, and the bags always fall off when he uses the armor, if I'm not mistaken. It's at least not the first time we've seen him do this.
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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #108 on: July 24, 2010, 07:33:44 AM »
There are these slugs, that can extend big tentacles out of their... mouths? which in turn are the sea-cucumbers.
The villagers are the "heads" of the small tentacles, and we did not see any slug in the last episode, although given their size, they should have been visible in some shots.
The pirate captain calls the tentacles the arms of the sea god.

Yes. And the villagers, like the pirates, were transformed into the sea cucumbers' tentacles after being eaten. As for the slugs, they were still underground in the last episode, so there was no way we could have seen them before.

Could this somehow be similar to the world's layers before the merging? I guess not, but in some way the slugs have been there all the time, they just have not been visible. As if they existed in a deeper layer and surfaced now, at the full moon.

I think it's a lot more literal. They were just hiding underground, camouflaged, like real nudibranchs would. I don't think it's got anything to do with the merging of the worlds. Same for the one in the ship. We knew it was there when the ghost ship first showed up, but we didn't know what it was.

In the same way, the villagers have been tentacles all the time, with their tentacle-nature being hidden until the slugs surfaced.

They were posing as lures in a way. Again, it's something you can find in nature.

In that picture, the sea god could be imprisoned not only deep within the island, but in a deep layer as well.
Now, one after another, parts of him become visible as he "phases in" into the corporal layer.

Thing is, the world's layers already have merged, so it can't be quite like this. Or could it be, that this merging is not instantaneous, but still in progress? If so, the awakening of the sea god could be just the process of the merging: he was imprisoned somewhere deep, with parts of him not as deep as others. Now the layers slowly merge and piece after piece he appears.

Well, I agree that the Sea God could be imprisoned in a deeper layer of the astral world. The fact the worlds have merged doesn't necessarily make it impossible, though we haven't been told how the astral world's layers and territories were affected yet. However, I think you're wrong with the notion that the Sea God's body parts are appearing as the worlds keep merging. The slugs and the sea cucumbers only come out at night, and so they stay hidden during the day. They used the villagers to bait the group into staying on the island for the night, but they were hiding underground from the beginning.

I know this may seem silly, but I wonder if there's any significance of Guts dropping his bag as he jumps up the tentacles. Though, it's probably just to show that he's got his concentration focused simply on slashing monsters apart.
Oh, and the bags always fall off when he uses the armor, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes, the bags are always discarded when Guts uses the armor. It's shown each time (see episodes 241 & 269).

Anyway, a potential threat to Guts and the group I've been meaning to mention for a while is that both sea cucumbers and sea slugs are known to secrete acid and toxins in real life, sometimes directly from their skin. There's been no hint of it with the sea cucumbers so far, but if the slugs start spewing toxic goo things could get hairy.

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #109 on: July 24, 2010, 02:32:40 PM »
Anyway, a potential threat to Guts and the group I've been meaning to mention for a while is that both sea cucumbers and sea slugs are known to secrete acid and toxins in real life, sometimes directly from their skin. There's been no hint of it with the sea cucumbers so far, but if the slugs start spewing toxic goo things could get hairy.

With that thought in mind, I don't think we quite know the full mechanism of how people are transformed into tentacles at the moment - yes, it could be because a person gets eaten, but given the idea of toxins or such being excreted, it's possible that something like that is the mechanism by which people are transformed into tentacles. Which means that it's possible things could be far more dangerous for Guts and his group right now than they realize.

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #110 on: July 24, 2010, 07:21:21 PM »
I don't think we quite know the full mechanism of how people are transformed into tentacles at the moment - yes, it could be because a person gets eaten

That's what the boss says at least, that they're transformed when they're eaten.


In other news, Miura's comment this week is about having bought a special cooker called a Slish and how he'll be able to eat a lot of vegetables with it.


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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #111 on: July 26, 2010, 11:47:19 PM »
Man this whole episode is just armor and monster porn, awesome. I think there are like 3 full pages of just the armor activated. Time to get out the Crayola boxes.

It doesn't just augment his animosity, putting it simply or not. It makes his pain and fear disappear, it confuses him with hatred and distorts his perception of the world, it slowly destroys his senses and without Flora's talisman it would have shattered his mind. And it goes way beyond making him more aggressive anyway: he loses all sense of self-preservation and just rushes into danger mindlessly, straining his body beyond its limits in the process.

Moral, crack kills.

I'm wondering if the shots of his muscles won't serve to show the flipside later as he aches all over or something like that.

I think every muscle fiber in Guts body will have torn by the time he hacks his way through every single umm, Sea Monster, would that term be appropriate? That's assuming his bones don't break, he bleeds out, or he trips and gets clusterfucked. Well at least the DS will never break again! Though, slugs don't actually have any teeth, and I think the pirate captain said something about slowly being digested. I see a lot of bursting out of monster bellies coming. Also, I still think it's not a complete stretch that the merging of the worlds will have a visible effect on the appearance of the Berserker armor, so maybe he's got something up his sleeve?

I think everyone here is familiar with the traditional definition of a berserker.

Oh Aaz, there you go setting a standard for us ignorant masses. I never heard anything specifically refering Berserkers as wolves or bears, but the image certainly came to mind.
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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #112 on: July 27, 2010, 05:53:56 AM »
Great episode!! Looks like Isma is really gonna join since she knows the truth about the villagers or not, because she has led a hermit life anyway. We'll see.  :guts:

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #113 on: July 27, 2010, 07:44:34 AM »
Well at least the DS will never break again!

What? It has never broken so far.

Also, I still think it's not a complete stretch that the merging of the worlds will have a visible effect on the appearance of the Berserker armor, so maybe he's got something up his sleeve?

I'm not sure what you mean by "appearance" since the armor looks exactly like it did before in this episode. Anyway, I think the Beast of Darkness being in chains is what will matter here. The merging of the worlds could affect the armor's functioning (specifically, the degree of influence it has on the wearer), but at this point it doesn't look very likely.

Oh Aaz, there you go setting a standard for us ignorant masses. I never heard anything specifically refering Berserkers as wolves or bears, but the image certainly came to mind.

Pfff, I should have known. :puck: Alright, I take it back then!

Great episode!! Looks like Isma is really gonna join since she knows the truth about the villagers or not, because she has led a hermit life anyway.

It could go a few different ways actually: she could join up with the group, she could leave to find her people as a merrow, or she could die. I'm going to make a poll about this, been planning to for a couple of days.

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #114 on: July 27, 2010, 08:26:09 AM »
It could go a few different ways actually: she could join up with the group, she could leave to find her people as a merrow, or she could die. I'm going to make a poll about this, been planning to for a couple of days.
Well, If you put it that way, I'm definitely going to vote for "join".

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #115 on: July 27, 2010, 08:46:31 AM »
This is actually a most opportune situation for using the armor's power without Schierke's presence. There's so many monsters around to fight and kill, it's not like Guts is going to run out any time soon (assuming he'll take care of them before turning on his, less threatening, comrades). Also, I don't see why Schierke, now fully aware of the situation, should be limited by her proximity to the fight (close enough to see Guts clearly). Sure, I can think of plausible reasons, but I'd at least want to hear one given.

I also wonder about the possible unintended consequences of Guts' rampage. It might actually escalate the situation as far as the Sea God and its minions are concerned, which could possibly serve as the sacrifice and lifeblood for its rebirth ceremony.


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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #116 on: July 28, 2010, 01:41:32 PM »
Speaking of Schierke, I find it interesting that she seems prone to keep information to herself. She asked Isma for her story and then listened to it without once intervening to tell her the first thing she'd seen when they met, regardless of the fact it would answer Isma's questions about herself. And it's not the first time she does it either (e.g. the details of her encounter with Sonia and the vision of Vritannis in flames she had shown her).

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #117 on: July 28, 2010, 07:33:05 PM »
Speaking of Schierke, I find it interesting that she seems prone to keep information to herself. She asked Isma for her story and then listened to it without once intervening to tell her the first thing she'd seen when they met, regardless of the fact it would answer Isma's questions about herself. And it's not the first time she does it either (e.g. the details of her encounter with Sonia and the vision of Vritannis in flames she had shown her).
Well, it seems only natural that she would be secretive when it comes to people she just met.  As for not warning the rest about Sonia's vision, it seems that she didn't know what to make of it since she didn't think about it again until they saw the tiger pishacas...it wasn't going to change what they had to do at any rate
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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #118 on: July 28, 2010, 08:18:23 PM »
Everyone is pining for Skullknight to help against the Sea God, but I think Isma is there for a reason. I think there is a big chance of her being the one who subdues old Cthulu in some fashion in the end instead of some hack n slash.

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #119 on: July 28, 2010, 10:00:00 PM »
I don't know. I don't think it's impossible that Isma could die by Guts unreasoning Berserker hand, as example of just how dangerous he really, really can be like that.

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #120 on: July 28, 2010, 10:03:43 PM »
Just what Guts needs. More depression and crushing guilt.

Edit: I'm not really sure if this has been talked about or not, but have people around here ever discussed the possibility of Guts not even making it to Skellig but rather get separated from everyone? Everyone continuing on to Elfhelm and Casca and co going after Guts later almost seems fitting to me. There's a pretty perfect opportunity of something very large whisking Guts away here honestly. It might be even more fitting what with the look he gave Casca before he pulled out all the stops and the concern on Schierke's face that things might be out of her control. It would also make this part of the story end up much more important than it would have initially seemed.

Pure speculation of course.
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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #121 on: July 28, 2010, 10:38:14 PM »
Well, it seems only natural that she would be secretive when it comes to people she just met.

I agree, but I don't think it would have cost her much to tell Isma about it, and while eating her food and warming herself in her house to boot. Though I guess the attack on Guts et al. put an early stop to the conversation.

As for not warning the rest about Sonia's vision, it seems that she didn't know what to make of it since she didn't think about it again until they saw the tiger pishacas...it wasn't going to change what they had to do at any rate

True, but she still didn't feel the need to share the information, and I'm under the impression that it's a bit of a recurring thing with her. What she knows about Griffith also comes to mind for example. But maybe it's just me. In her defense, the other characters have kept their share of secrets as well.

I don't know. I don't think it's impossible that Isma could die by Guts unreasoning Berserker hand, as example of just how dangerous he really, really can be like that.

She's a bit too far away to be killed by Guts right now. And do you really think Miura would have bothered with her backstory if she was just destined to die at his hands? Would be a waste in my opinion.

I'm not really sure if this has been talked about or not, but have people around here ever discussed the possibility of Guts not even making it to Skellig but rather get separated from everyone? Everyone continuing on to Elfhelm and Casca and co going after Guts later almost seems fitting to me.

I have a hard time imagining them all just abandoning him there. Not to mention that without him their chances of survival would be greatly reduced. And that means he wouldn't be there for Casca's awakening, which seems plain wrong to me.

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #122 on: July 28, 2010, 11:03:18 PM »
Edit: I'm not really sure if this has been talked about or not, but have people around here ever discussed the possibility of Guts not even making it to Skellig but rather get separated from everyone? Everyone continuing on to Elfhelm and Casca and co going after Guts later almost seems fitting to me.

You're thinking of the plot from Berserk: 20 Years Later. :guts:

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #123 on: July 28, 2010, 11:08:42 PM »
Well, there we go. What a great way to kick off such an epic turn of events  :ganishka:

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Re: Episode 315
« Reply #124 on: July 29, 2010, 12:35:10 AM »
True, but she still didn't feel the need to share the information, and I'm under the impression that it's a bit of a recurring thing with her. What she knows about Griffith also comes to mind for example. But maybe it's just me. In her defense, the other characters have kept their share of secrets as well.
The feeling I get about her is that she's patiently packing the info away for when it will become better understood (e.g., she isn't delving into Guts' past despite being confused) or relevant to what the crew's trying to do...besides, Isidro usually just busts out some wisecracks whenever she does drop some revelations, so she probably operates on a need to know basis now :carcus:
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