- Status
O
Overlord Morgus
Guest
I'm just saying that there are similarities between the most capitalist of foods and what slaves would feed themselves to get through the day.
O
Overlord Morgus
Guest
Have you even been to China?
McDonald's isn't "good."
Griffith
With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
Overlord Morgus said:
Not exactly what you were "just" saying, that's quite a step back actually:
Overlord Morgus][b]Proof positive that fast food is slave food[/b][/quote] [quote author=Bekul said:
Its fair to refer to fast food as such, China does capitalism better than anyone these days, and don't be so sure. Though, you're right to be dubious of this proposition anyway because this is just a ridiculously provocative non sequitur. Lets take it up a notch:
Proof positive that health food is nazi food:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Health
It makes sense since vegetarians are such nazis about it, just like we're all slaves to fast food capitalism, maaaaahn!
O
Overlord Morgus
Guest
Except there are fewer parallels between modern vegetarians and Hitler than there are between unhealthy lower-class food and slave food.
Griffith
With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
Overlord Morgus said:
That's actually debatable, I'm sure if we tried we could find all sorts of insignificant parallels, not just between fast food and slave food or vegetarians and Hitler, but all of them to one other. The problem isn't lack of similarities, but lack of practical significance or meaningful context to those parallels; other than equating something one doesn't like with slavery or Hitler.
O
Overlord Morgus
Guest
Roughly similar socioeconomic status isn't really an insignificant parallel.
O
Overlord Morgus
Guest
McD's has a long-standing reputation as a lower-class food.
Griffith
With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
I'm not convinced there's a legitimate correlation in comparing a well-stratified, largely self-selected group, namely people that eat fast food, to... slaves of the Atlantic slave trade. You were better off comparing the foods themselves, though there's not much to be said either way.
Th3Branded0ne
I'll be back.
Overlord Morgus said:
And these guys really cannot afford to buy anything else but Mcdonalds.
O
Overlord Morgus
Guest
Slave culture is egalitarian in its own way, ask Friedrich Nietzsche.
Mass production uses cheap ingredients because that's all it can afford. Some people buy McDonald's because that's all they can afford.
Even if it's not limited by any means to the poor, it's still a scary connection to make.
Vampire_Hunter_Bob
Cats are great
What my cat eats is slave food. What I eat is a wide variety of foods I can CHOOSE to buy.
Yeah people that are traveling around a lot buy "fast" food. Maybe it's because it's convenient???
Yeah people that are traveling around a lot buy "fast" food. Maybe it's because it's convenient???
X
Xem
Guest
Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:
Yea, if you're really poor you walk to the grocery store and buy generic products like ramen and hotdogs.
Griffith
With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
Overlord Morgus said:
Finally, you're on the verge of going somewhere with this. Unfortunately, you're only saying that to rationalize your indefensible comparison of African slaves to the modern lower and middle classes. I think the problem here is you're making an extreme and overly dramatic thematic comparison to highlight the problems of those classes and society, but the problem is that comparing them to Atlantic slave trade is really quite insensitive to the extreme forms of physical and social suffering/oppression those slaves experienced, which can't even be compared to Roman slavery; a better example for what I think you're trying to accomplish, by the way.
Overlord Morgus said:
You've only connected that poor people eat poor food, hardly an exclusive or significant parallel to the Atlantic slave trade, which was your original assertion. What you've done since then is shifted your position and toned down your rhetoric, lessening your burden of proof without actually conceding that fact.
Oh, and you conveniently ignored my last critique. Don't think I didn't notice.
Also, food isn't exactly the best point of comparison for this in general. For example, potatoes have been enjoyed by the richest and poorest of people through history, but because one loves fast food french fries doesn't make them like Marie Antoinette or a Russian peasant. If you really want to talk about modern forms of oppression and fast food, I suggest you leave the Atlantic slave trade out of it because it's only going to make anything else look good by comparison, and rightfully so.
Deci said:
This is true, if you don't have money but common sense cup noodles comes out to about $0.25 a meal. We'd have to compare that to some kind of subsistence culture though. =)
O
Overlord Morgus
Guest
So we can agree that modern day capitalist culture is plebeian and nihilistic to a large degree? That was pretty much what I was hoping to get at.
O
Overlord Morgus
Guest
So if that's what I'm getting at, then it's not just a rationalization for the comparison, but the object of said comparison.
That said, I have come to the conclusion that class reductionism is a sniveling, small-minded slave morality in and of itself, so I will say no more.
Griffith
With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
Overlord Morgus said:
That's very slippery of you, but no, my semi-magnanimous dismissal of the discussion is no retroactive validation of your purpose, but a would-be final critique of your methods, including said comparison and all proceeding rationalizations. Basically, I agreed that you were hoping, but that's it. Alas, the point is now moot...
Overlord Morgus said:
Alright.
- Status