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Re:nintendo is sooo great !
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2003, 07:38:30 PM »
So...back to the POINT of this...

Nostalgia really does take over, for all gamers who have been there since the very beginning.  I had an Atari 2600.  I played Adventure, Pitfall, all that stuff.  
Expectations for every game built.  And when SNES hit, man...that was it.  HOW could it get better?  Oh, the SNES CD?  Later to be the PlayStation?

Regardless, I agree on the bitter gamer remark: I know I am.  Or rather, I'm a MUCH pickier person than I once was.  I owned about 4 games for my PS - MGS, FF7, 8, and 9.  That's it.

PS2?  I have Silent Hill 2: SE.  MGS2.  I have played many other games, but few captivate me.

No RPG since FF4 has held me so tightly.  And none ever really will.  I believe this bitterness in games is divisible in genres - such as FF4 being the best RPG ever, then Silent Hill being my favorite survival horror series.  Deus Ex being my favorite PC game.  That kind of thing.

I still play old school games because they caused my imagination to explode, and I often wish it would be as volatile as it used to be when I played through them.  Games that capture my *imagination* are the ones I care for.

This industry is now a sequel-based insane asylum and it makes me sad that despite the graphics we have now, innovation eludes most designers.  And people wonder why we're all bitter?  No innovation, really.

And in saying the above, I have proven my bitterness.  Suck it, CliffyB :)
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Re:nintendo is sooo great !
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2003, 07:14:44 PM »
Yeah, I'm a bitter gamer and my yearning for the good ol' days certainly doesn't help my rating of contemporary games.  Nostalgia probably plays a big part in my unfavorable view of today's games.  As games evolved and improved in all technical aspects, gamers' expectations grew along with them.  I'm convinced that most games today lack innovation, as Cronus mentioned (btw I remember reading your manga translations  ;) ).  We've come to expect alot from our games, but that's how it should be.  Lots of things are taken for granted and are seen as at least the minimum for our standards, such as graphics/story/characters/music/etc.  What we're looking for in a "good" game is that extra level of innovation which can elevate a game to the point where even disenchanted players are satisfied.  And if a game fails in any one of the requisite standards that we've come to expect, it is automatically labeled crap.  If it only lacks innovation but has everything else, then it is just the same old shit.  Unless you are rich and have lots of free time, you can only afford to buy and play the couple of gems that come out every year.

Objectively speaking, games of course are far superior than those over a decade ago.  It's just that higher standards have become the norm, especially for experienced players.  It gets harder to come up with something new and fun for the older gamers.  So as games get better, to us, they actually get worse (or harder to impress).  Just as you say Walter, a good game is a perfect game.  I blame the games for not being that.

I have already retired from computer gaming and I stick to playing a few games for PS2 and Soul Calibur on DC.  Hah Atari...I feel old.  I hope I never stop gaming.

Ok enough bitterness, more nostalgia.  FF6 was not the best rpg, it wasn't even the best FF which happens to be FF4.  Go Cronus, boo hoo Walter.  FF6 was indeed excellent though.  FF1 just sucked compared to Phantasy Star.

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Xenosaga was a cinematic story driven game with a crappy story and dumb (poor char development) characters/dialogue.  Good idea, just bad execution.  Not nearly enough gameplay.  Also, I wanted to kill Shion.  That's not good when she's the main protagonist.  Oh, and I didn't like all the vague religious references but that's just me personally.  And I don't like the lack of closure in the end (tons of unexplained plot elements and unfinished plot lines).  I don't like having to buy the next game to know what happened in the previous.  Each single game should have enough closure for itself within its own scheme of things in the larger picture.  If you enjoyed it, that's great.  I was hugely disappointed since I was anticipating its release for so long.

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Re:nintendo is sooo great !
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2003, 10:17:41 AM »
Have anyone of you ever played the PC-game Planescape:Torment?
Even though I've been playing games since I was six years old (on a MSX) and I share the same feelings of nostalgia when I think about those good old games, this game got me in its grasp completely. It has the best plot I've ever seen in any game and is very well written. It's a game from 1999, and it's an RPG. Never have I been captivated this much by a game, only Berserk manages to rival the obsession I had over this game. It's been over two years since I played that game and I've never been able to feel the same thing over a game since. It's a dark fantasy RPG, I figure people that like Berserk will like this one.

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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2003, 04:20:14 PM »
PST is terrible, the whole setting about this dimension-traveling bullshit ruined the whole gaym.

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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2003, 05:22:40 PM »
Yeah, nintendo was awesome, I loved Ice Hockey, I loved using the russians >D HAHAHAHA. You get to choose skinny player, medium player and fat player, it was so hilarious! Oh yeah, was wondering, I'm thinking of buying a gameboy advance sp, but am looking for a memory card copier sorta thing so that i can put roms on it etc, to save cash on buying games, anyone know of a good dealer in canada?

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Re:nintendo is sooo great !
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2003, 10:22:38 PM »
 :D 1 word for the true nintendo fan

Chystalis
Possibly the best game ever made for the nes and never continued, hailing a young hero 2000 years in the future against inervitable odds with the brand of snk..r on his game cartridge this hero stomped smashed and crushed the competition such as zelda mario with ultra gameplay, i have never seen a better game for the nes and proboly...NEVER WILL !
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Re:nintendo is sooo great !
« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2003, 11:13:03 PM »
Castlevania 2 was the best :P

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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2003, 11:42:05 PM »
My top games for nes would be :
Ransom city, Battletoads and probably Super mario bro. 3

ahhh the good old days..

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« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2003, 02:01:47 PM »
Zelda 1 and 2, Faxanadu...Simon's quest...
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« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2003, 05:38:37 AM »
Anybody'splaying Zelda on Gamecube??This game is just too good to be true...
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« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2003, 05:45:55 AM »
Anybody'splaying Zelda on Gamecube??This game is just too good to be true...
I'd like to. I settled for downloading 3.5 gigs of N64 roms and am currently playing Zelda: Majora's Mask and I'm totally loving it. I find that if I expect to utterly hate a game, I'll almost always end up loving it. Best post-SNES Zelda yet.
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Re:nintendo is sooo great !
« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2003, 07:22:24 AM »
Anybody'splaying Zelda on Gamecube??This game is just too good to be true...
I'd like to. I settled for downloading 3.5 gigs of N64 roms and am currently playing Zelda: Majora's Mask and I'm totally loving it. I find that if I expect to utterly hate a game, I'll almost always end up loving it. Best post-SNES Zelda yet.
Emulation sites have found more reasons for me to hate them since last I looked.
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« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2003, 07:57:54 AM »
Anybody'splaying Zelda on Gamecube??This game is just too good to be true...
I'd like to. I settled for downloading 3.5 gigs of N64 roms and am currently playing Zelda: Majora's Mask and I'm totally loving it. I find that if I expect to utterly hate a game, I'll almost always end up loving it. Best post-SNES Zelda yet.
Emulation sites have found more reasons for me to hate them since last I looked.
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Yeah, all that money Nintendo is losing on N64 sales.
 :'( Boo hoo. :'(
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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2003, 11:12:22 AM »
I'd like to. I settled for downloading 3.5 gigs of N64 roms and am currently playing Zelda: Majora's Mask and I'm totally loving it. I find that if I expect to utterly hate a game, I'll almost always end up loving it. Best post-SNES Zelda yet.

Yes, MM does indeed rock. I even sorta liked it more that OoT. It had such a weird, dark-yet-funny atmosphere, kind of like a (good) Tim Burton flick.

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« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2003, 01:40:18 PM »
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Yeah, all that money Nintendo is losing on N64 sales.
 :'( Boo hoo. :'(
Nintendo?  The sooner they go the path of Sega, the better.  You know they're headed that way.

What I mean was on my search last night, 9/10 sites made you vote 4x to enter and then there roms section was "down."
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« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2003, 01:49:28 PM »
Nintendo?  The sooner they go the path of Sega, the better.  You know they're headed that way.

Yes, because a chain of profitable consoles, broken only by the Virtual Boy, is certain to drive Nintendo out of the console business. Excellent logic.

What I mean was on my search last night, 9/10 sites made you vote 4x to enter and then there roms section was "down."

Want roms? Use p2p.

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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2003, 02:24:31 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2003, 02:45:38 PM »
My college is smart and killed KaZaA

Kazaa is a piece of crap that forces spyware on you. There are other p2p programs in town.

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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2003, 03:24:00 PM »
KaZaA lite doesn't work either.

I doubt that other P2Ps work.  Probably got killed at the same time.

nor does morpheus or winMX  
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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2003, 04:30:40 PM »
Right, most of my friends use Kazaa, but i'm pretty sure it is because you can have it in french and they are such shits in english. Personnally I use Winmx ...

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« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2003, 05:04:16 PM »
KaZaA lite doesn't work either.
Kazaa lite works very well here.
My college is smart and killed KaZaA

They took away KaZaA's priority so that it doesn't drain bandwidth.  It was nearly impossible to do anything online before.
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« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2004, 12:54:58 AM »
Nintendo.....
The Great One.......

Although Nintendo was a great system back in the day(I beat Super Mario brothers at age 5.. possibly age 4) and N64 was kick ass, as was Super Nintendo, notice that today the Gamecube isnt exactly on top of things. Note that the Xbox and The PS2 are a little bit better in terms of the tittles that they put out( THIS IS STRICTLY MY OPINION). Notice that hte Gamecube has yes indeed a few smash hit Game of the year titles such as Windwaker and I think Metroid game(s). And a few stand out titles such as Super Smash bros Melee and F-Zero and whatever else I did not list. The point is that society is now geared towards more for your money and more is better I.E.= Xbox and ps2 DvD and Cd playback capabilites and internet connectivity where as the Gamecube is more aimed towards the Family oriented sort of good old days strictly gaming for gamers society. In fact some would argue that the one of the major Reasons Nintendo isnt really in trouble in terms of money and sales ect. is the GBA SP. and even that could end soon with the Playstaion portable coming out in the future. Such a sad fate for Nintendo unless Gamecube 2 is way better than I expect........... :-\
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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2004, 01:02:12 AM »
Nintendo.....
The Great One.......

Although Nintendo was a great system back in the day(I beat Super Mario brothers at age 5.. possibly age 4) and N64 was kick ass, as was Super Nintendo, notice that today the Gamecube isnt exactly on top of things. Note that the Xbox and The PS2 are a little bit better in terms of the tittles that they put out( THIS IS STRICTLY MY OPINION). Notice that hte Gamecube has yes indeed a few smash hit Game of the year titles such as Windwaker and I think Metroid game(s). And a few stand out titles such as Super Smash bros Melee and F-Zero and whatever else I did not list. The point is that society is now geared towards more for your money and more is better I.E.= Xbox and ps2 DvD and Cd playback capabilites and internet connectivity where as the Gamecube is more aimed towards the Family oriented sort of good old days strictly gaming for gamers society. In fact some would argue that the one of the major Reasons Nintendo isnt really in trouble in terms of money and sales ect. is the GBA SP. and even that could end soon with the Playstaion portable coming out in the future. Such a sad fate for Nintendo unless Gamecube 2 is way better than I expect........... :-\
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Re:nintendo is sooo great !
« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2004, 01:03:44 AM »
Ya i kinda agree with what walter said. i played FFX-2 when it first came out and it took me about 2 weeks to beat it. And when i finished it, i really wasn't as moved by the game as i was by FFX. It was fun to play the sequel but i don't know if they really should have made it.

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« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2004, 11:25:55 AM »
Reviver of the dead........ Darkside......... NavalofficerX7 its all the same isn't it?
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