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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2825 on: February 05, 2013, 02:07:24 PM »
NOTE: For what it's worth, Kotaku posted a review of the third film - http://kotaku.com/5981641/the-third-berserk-movie-is-by-far-the-most-violent-thing-i-have-ever-watched
Not worth much...  :carcus:

However, their review does mention that we get some of SK's backstory, meaning that wow, maybe they really do mention Gaiseric's empire.

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2826 on: February 05, 2013, 02:09:28 PM »
I can just imagine the pitch, "Hey, Guts kills this sorta buggy apostle first thing, then a slug, and later kills another insect-themed one with all sorts of bug monsters he could fight, so it'd be smart if we just wrapped it all up into one ultimate Black Swordsman package, then we could get back to Guts vs. Griffith and that Golden Age drama in the next movie! Plus, if it's revenge on the one that killed fan favorite Carcus it'll all tie in better and be all the more meaningful than him fighting some random stupid little girl we already cut, it's a win/win for OUR story!"

Yeah! And in order to find the buggy apostle, Guts would have to fuck all the girls in the land! And Zepek's apostle form would be the final boss of the movie!  :troll:

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2827 on: February 05, 2013, 02:12:41 PM »
Not worth much...  :carcus:

However, their review does mention that we get some of SK's backstory, meaning that wow, maybe they really do mention Gaiseric's empire.

Thats what I was thinking, at least I hope. I don't want to think of the alternative; them making up stuff for his background.

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2828 on: February 05, 2013, 02:22:41 PM »
Plus, if it's revenge on the one that killed fan favorite Carcus it'll all tie in better and be all the more meaningful than him fighting some random stupid little girl we already cut

 :ganishka:

The sad thing is I wouldn't put it past them to do something like that.  In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if someone from Studio Four Degrees Celsius read that and thought it was such a brilliant idea that they'd be stupid not to do it.

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2829 on: February 05, 2013, 03:52:18 PM »
NOTE: For what it's worth, Kotaku posted a review of the third film - http://kotaku.com/5981641/the-third-berserk-movie-is-by-far-the-most-violent-thing-i-have-ever-watched
One thing I'm relieved about is that the CG is (supposedly) consistently better. The clip of the first 10 minutes didn't make me cringe like in the former two cases, but I wasn't sure if they were just saving all the crappy animation for later. But good to know that the cuts were "all for the best." :ganishka:

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What if they plan to replace/combine Rosine's role in the Lost Children chapter with this apostle in a nightmarish sham of a Black Swordsman movie mashup?
The sad thing is that I'm at a point where I believe that they might just screw it up just this badly. Berserk Movie 4: Revenge of Spaghetti Butt.

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2830 on: February 05, 2013, 04:07:54 PM »
"Descent is quite simply the most graphic mainstream anime movie I have ever seen."

Yeah...Berserk is SOOO mainstream...

As if I didnt hate this project enough already, now they´re giving Berserk the infamous label of "mainstream."  I literally dont think I can get more depressed.

I mentioned a guy I tried introducing Berserk to in another thread a while ago. Last I saw him he told me he´d seen the first two movies and thought they were great and had proceeded to watch the old series but I can tell he wont be reading the manga since he knows that they´ll be continuing the movies, cause he thinks they are faithfull, since thats the information the project representatives gave us...

...just sad.

If Miura were to secretly hire/recruit assassins to deal with this, I´d be more than happy to sign up :zodd:

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2831 on: February 05, 2013, 04:22:03 PM »
So according to that review Rickert is like litterally missing in action till what the ending at the cave? :magni:

We don't see skull knight saving him, meeting puck, the fortuneteller lady :???:

I mean Hopefully something is explained otherwize its like hole after hole for plot!
Its lame as those scenes I think are vital and do not take up much screentime.

They add a cameo of puck and future charecters yet those scenes arnt there!  
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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2832 on: February 05, 2013, 04:34:17 PM »
^Haha yeah its fuckin ridiculous, they really bit themselves in the ass there :ganishka: ...again, nothing the project would fare worse of, since noobs and "take it for what it is" philosophers wouldnt notice it..
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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2833 on: February 05, 2013, 04:48:36 PM »
It really is a shame with all of these cuts. I always thought the Eve of the Festival with Rickert had great scenes and I will miss them. :(

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2834 on: February 05, 2013, 04:52:54 PM »
^Haha yeah its fuckin ridiculous, they really bit themselves in the ass there :ganishka: ...again, nothing the project would fare worse of, since noobs and "take it for what it is" philosophers wouldnt notice it..

This made my night, thanks

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2835 on: February 05, 2013, 05:34:01 PM »
Just to be sure, you're not talking about the above images, are you (I'm not sure what you mean by her "secondary" or "principle" forms)? Either way, the design does borrow ideas from Rosine's transformations...

Nope! There are additional images at the very end of the book featuring Rosine as she appears starting in episode 112 after she transforms to battle Guts. I meant her 'principal' form to mean the apostle shape she has for most of her story and the 'secondary' form to be what she transforms into in that episode from her usual apostle body.
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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2836 on: February 05, 2013, 05:36:41 PM »
Berserk-Mainstream( as described in Kotaku's review) ?  :ganishka: ..anyway that reviewer watched R-15 and it was almost too much for him? really ,I wonder if only thing in R-18 is explicit Casca's rape and different version of ''Breakthrough''

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2837 on: February 05, 2013, 05:39:53 PM »
cuts are dissapointing of course but honestly what I'm banking on for the third film is largely the eclipse if it is done right(and from the review it sounds like its at least potent and graphic) I could forgive a lot about this series but my final judgment will not be made until I have a retail copy of this movie to watch on my TV and the time to appreciate(and stomach) it fully

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2838 on: February 05, 2013, 06:23:49 PM »
This made my night, thanks

Just speaking my mind, sir :griffnotevil:

I always thought the Eve of the Festival with Rickert had great scenes and I will miss them. :(

Again, if the charcter in question never really had any meaningful screen time to begin with then whats the point? Im not giving you shit here, just imagine the scene actually being present, then what??? You dont know this/these character/s so why would you care about what happens to him/them? Like many have already stated, this was practically doomed from the start. The scene wouldnt have had any impact whatsoever...Sad but true. Plus Im sure much of the more "technical" scene material is cut too so that scene wouldnt even make sense either way.

Berserk-Mainstream( as described in Kotaku's review) ?  :ganishka: ..anyway that reviewer watched R-15 and it was almost too much for him? really ,I wonder if only thing in R-18 is explicit Casca's rape and different version of ''Breakthrough''

But how much time is cut from the R18? Not trying to nitpick but I cant imagine Cascas rape taking 10 minutes? :???: (Thats just the time I thought was cut...might be wrong)
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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2839 on: February 05, 2013, 07:23:29 PM »
I don't think we've seen such a detailed interpretation of that female apostle, particularly the lower backside. I say interpretation since we don't know how much input, if any, Miura had in these designs besides his artwork from the manga. Specifically, the film's version of the apostle has digitigrade legs (though seemingly with two sets of ankles, heels, and plantigrade feet strangely enough... but then it is an apostle) while Miura's original doesn't go beyond the impression of a plantigrade

Actually, we do see more than enough in the manga to know that this design is pure bullshit. The panel you posted is enough already, as she's pretty much fully transformed at that point, but we see her feet and ankles on the next page anyway, and they're the same as they appear there. So, big surprise, this is a direct change that makes no sense in the context of this apostle's preferred hunting method (luring its prey).

However, their review does mention that we get some of SK's backstory, meaning that wow, maybe they really do mention Gaiseric's empire.

Yeah, because that sequence can't really be called "the Skull Knight's backstory". It's a legend about Midland's creation (and the Tower of Rebirth, specifically) that has Guts think of him, and while there is little doubt that he was once Gaiseric, nothing is explicitly spelled out in that scene. Makes me curious anyway, wonder how they portrayed it and what they showed.

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2840 on: February 05, 2013, 07:30:28 PM »
"Berserk: Golden Age Arc III: Descent reigns supreme and delivers an experience surpassing even the original manga in both emotional turmoil and eye-wrenching ultra-violence."

the guy was stone when he wrote that right? Nothing, NOTHING can surpass the original manga! Fool...  :mozgus:

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2841 on: February 05, 2013, 07:36:49 PM »
...and while there is little doubt that he was once Gaiseric, nothing is explicitly spelled out in that scene.

Yeah I bet they effed that up too. There should be a little sense of mystery there but nooo... Why let the audience stimulate their own brain cells eh? :troll:

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« Reply #2842 on: February 05, 2013, 08:08:27 PM »
"Descent is quite simply the most graphic mainstream anime movie I have ever seen."
Considering what the main movie demographic boils down to, it's hardly surprising.  Especially when the article's hook is "The Third Berserk Movie is by Far the Most Violent Thing I Have Ever Watched" there's really not much else to say.

"Berserk: Golden Age Arc III: Descent reigns supreme and delivers an experience surpassing even the original manga in both emotional turmoil and eye-wrenching ultra-violence."

"Wyald? Pff. Pansy" :troll:

No surprise the reviewer makes no attempt to back up such an idiotic statement outside of an empty claim that "their (the cut content's) removal gave the movie both focus and a better pace".  Yeah, scenes like the developing Casca and Guts relationship sure got in the way of the real focus of the story :ganishka:



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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2843 on: February 05, 2013, 08:09:50 PM »
"Berserk: Golden Age Arc III: Descent reigns supreme and delivers an experience surpassing even the original manga in both emotional turmoil and eye-wrenching ultra-violence."

the guy was stone when he wrote that right? Nothing, NOTHING can surpass the original manga! Fool...  :mozgus:

Actually, the way that sentence is worded, it sounds more like: "Boy, they really went overboard with this thing!"

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2844 on: February 05, 2013, 08:12:41 PM »
All this talk prompted me to check that review. First sentence: "Over the past year, Berserk has returned to the limelight in a big way with a trilogy of movies based on the first arc of the popular manga." Guess I'd rather not waste my time after all.

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« Reply #2845 on: February 05, 2013, 08:14:47 PM »
I'm 99% sure they payed that guy, or kissed his ass

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« Reply #2846 on: February 05, 2013, 08:23:28 PM »
Actually, the way that sentence is worded, it sounds more like: "Boy, they really went overboard with this thing!"

I'm wondering about that myself.  The film crew has made attempts to "update" action sequences in the previous films.  Maybe there's more focus on the specific slaying of Carcus and Pippin among other things?

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2847 on: February 05, 2013, 08:42:03 PM »
I'm 99% sure they payed that guy, or kissed his ass
Come on dude... there's no need for such hyperbole. It's a goddamned Kotaku review. Did you really expect that it would have high standards?

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2848 on: February 05, 2013, 08:58:59 PM »
I was hoping he would mention what bits they kept after the eclipse. We know that there are pictures of Erika and Rickert in the cave but I wonder if they will even keep the 'Escape' episode, the apostle he kills or just go right from the cave to donning the black swordsman armor.

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Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« Reply #2849 on: February 06, 2013, 01:54:08 AM »
Furthermore, it would unfortunately make sense of her increased size and seemingly random showcase introduction in the third film, at least in Berserk movie logic.

It's almost fascinating to think of all the changes, especially when you think of how difficult it will be to fix them in order to bring context to any later scenes (not that I am convinced that this project will continue with poor sales).  The skull knight is given the power now to change day to night, so exactly how would that work in a scene like Albion or others?  Honestly, I will be moderately entertained seeing how they figure this stuff out.  :ganishka:  I mean to me at least, it would seem to be less difficult had they just stuck to the script/manga like they said, although despite their other failures, like CGI, they really shot themselves in the foot when they decided to stick to a movie type format that really limited the amount of content  they could fit.