Author Topic: Episode 334  (Read 50195 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Tripas

Re: Episode 334
« Reply #150 on: April 18, 2014, 07:15:25 PM »
Having thought about it, of course it's like that.  Hearding livestock around and into Falconia is probably difficult while being constantly attacked by astral creatures.  I feel dumb now for pointing it out...  :farnese:

Not so fast. Remember Falconia is protected by those wing stones, so it wouldn't be a problem having some livestock. Maybe Falconia's society is vegan, but I see this mentality too advanced, even for Griffith's "utopia".

There's definitely a totalitarian/NWO subtext to the whole concept of Falconia, intended or otherwise.

In his current position, Griffith surely consider himself a kind of Messiah. This probably have been discussed before, but I don't discard the idea that sooner or later, Griffith will attack the other safe places in the world (like Elfhelm) in order to maintain his kingdom's hegemony.

Online Walter

  • 賢者
  • Administrator
  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 15860
  • Karma: 463
  • Gender: Male
  • Chapter ≠ Episode
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #151 on: April 18, 2014, 07:24:15 PM »
This probably have been discussed before, but I don't discard the idea that sooner or later, Griffith will attack the other safe places in the world (like Elfhelm) in order to maintain his kingdom's hegemony.

Because of where it's situated, Elfhelm isn't exactly a viable alternative to Falconia to anyone but those already there.
:femto: :slan: :ubik:

Online Rupert Sinclair

  • Falconian
  • Of the Interstice
  • *****
  • Posts: 133
  • Karma: 54
  • Gender: Male
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #152 on: April 18, 2014, 07:56:42 PM »
Not so fast. Remember Falconia is protected by those wing stones, so it wouldn't be a problem having some livestock.

My logic was that livestock would still have to be brought in from the outside world, unless the World Spiral Tree can sprout baby cows too...

Offline Tripas

Re: Episode 334
« Reply #153 on: April 18, 2014, 08:13:29 PM »
Because of where it's situated, Elfhelm isn't exactly a viable alternative to Falconia to anyone but those already there.

Obviously, Elfhelm is not a problem right now. But considering that it's the home of the elfs and of numerous (some of them, powerful) magicians and that Griffith will probably try to expand his power, I don't see it too strange in the long term.

My logic was that livestock would still have to be brought in from the outside world, unless the World Spiral Tree can sprout baby cows too...

Well, maybe in their rescue expeditions some soldiers achieved to save some farmers and a little amount of livestock (like pigs or chickens). Besides, there is the option of hunting astral creatures :guts:

Online Walter

  • 賢者
  • Administrator
  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 15860
  • Karma: 463
  • Gender: Male
  • Chapter ≠ Episode
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #154 on: April 18, 2014, 08:21:21 PM »
Obviously, Elfhelm is not a problem right now. But considering that it's the home of the elfs and of numerous (some of them, powerful) magicians and that Griffith will probably try to expand his power, I don't see it too strange in the long term.

Well, you initially said he'd attack Elfhelm to secure his reign, because it's another safe place. But humans won't consider Elfhelm a safe place if they a) don't know it exists b) have to traverse the Western Sea to get there. As for the good old "Elfhelm is threat #1" theory, we'll see.

Changing subjects, I was reminded of something I honestly forgot from years ago, back in the episode 307 thread.

From Volume 10:


And in Episode 307:


We had a discussion earlier in the thread about whether any particular iconography would be replaced. Well... the answer appears to be yep.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2014, 10:16:24 PM by Walter »
:femto: :slan: :ubik:

Offline Rhombaad

  • Old Fart in Training
  • Falconian
  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 4192
  • Karma: 43
  • Gender: Male
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #155 on: April 18, 2014, 11:03:32 PM »
Great catch, Walter. Miura's attention to detail continues to astound me.

Offline Skeleton

  • Falconian
  • Of the Nexus
  • *****
  • Posts: 728
  • Karma: 71
  • Gender: Male
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #156 on: April 18, 2014, 11:10:14 PM »
a vegan society

So it really is hell on earth!  :troll:

Online Rupert Sinclair

  • Falconian
  • Of the Interstice
  • *****
  • Posts: 133
  • Karma: 54
  • Gender: Male
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #157 on: April 19, 2014, 01:37:56 AM »
Changing subjects, I was reminded of something I honestly forgot from years ago, back in the episode 307 thread.

We had a discussion earlier in the thread about whether any particular iconography would be replaced. Well... the answer appears to be yep.

Really cool stuff.  Skully's gotta be pissed.   :SK:  :griffnotevil:

So it really is hell on earth!  :troll:

 :ganishka:

Offline ryOtoha

  • Falconian
  • Of the Interstice
  • *****
  • Posts: 248
  • Karma: 14
  • Gender: Male
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #158 on: April 19, 2014, 01:34:42 PM »
We had a discussion earlier in the thread about whether any particular iconography would be replaced. Well... the answer appears to be yep.

Neat !

I also believe this motif, seen around the whole city, is related to the dome/orb.
All will be answered soon, so no need to go too hardcore. What do you guys think is inside that huge thing?

Is it possible that the common/remaining symbol between Gaiseric/Griffith is the Orb ?  It would obviously mean that the Orb was already in the ancient city, probably used by Gaiseric like Aaz said, as gate/bridge connected to the Astral World :SK:

Offline ApostleBob

  • Inhuman Cinephile
  • Falconian
  • Of the Nexus
  • *****
  • Posts: 524
  • Karma: 59
  • Gender: Male
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #159 on: April 19, 2014, 05:18:49 PM »
Changing subjects, I was reminded of something I honestly forgot from years ago, back in the episode 307 thread.

From Volume 10:



We had a discussion earlier in the thread about whether any particular iconography would be replaced. Well... the answer appears to be yep.

I had always thought that Gaiseric's sigil represented an Eclipse.

Online Walter

  • 賢者
  • Administrator
  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 15860
  • Karma: 463
  • Gender: Male
  • Chapter ≠ Episode
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #160 on: April 19, 2014, 05:26:08 PM »
I had always thought that Gaiseric's sigil represented an Eclipse.

Yeah, same. It still might have represented that. And this is Griffith's iteration on it, which represents something else.
:femto: :slan: :ubik:

Offline kapsi

Re: Episode 334
« Reply #161 on: April 22, 2014, 02:54:09 PM »
What are your expectations for that giant, mysterious dome that's in the palace region?
I think it may be a power source/generator. Or a water reservoir. Maybe a grain silo?
« Last Edit: April 22, 2014, 03:45:22 PM by kapsi »

Online Walter

  • 賢者
  • Administrator
  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 15860
  • Karma: 463
  • Gender: Male
  • Chapter ≠ Episode
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #162 on: April 22, 2014, 04:35:16 PM »
I think it may be a power source/generator. Or a water reservoir. Maybe a grain silo?

Can't tell if serious...  :???:
:femto: :slan: :ubik:

Offline RaffoBaffo

  • Of the Interstice
  • **
  • Posts: 219
  • Karma: 29
  • Gender: Male
  • Ex-Newser of the late Berserk Chronicles
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #163 on: April 22, 2014, 04:53:32 PM »
They're clearly hiding Nuclear Weapons in that dome  :troll:
May those who accept their fate be granted happiness.
May those who defy their fate be granted glory.

Offline Irvine

Re: Episode 334
« Reply #164 on: April 23, 2014, 01:09:35 AM »
I think it may be a power source/generator. Or a water reservoir. Maybe a grain silo?

It's the Thunderdome! Mystery solved.


Offline Lithrael

  • Of the Nexus
  • ***
  • Posts: 863
  • Karma: 87
  • Gender: Female
  • Remember, always hold your apple tight
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #165 on: April 23, 2014, 02:56:20 AM »
it's the lens of a massive eye just you wait and see

Offline MrMehawk

Re: Episode 334
« Reply #166 on: April 23, 2014, 04:37:58 AM »
it's the lens of a massive eye just you wait and see

Massive eye of a massive Beherit?  :carcus:  :troll:
Personally I don't think it's anything so obviously magical (the people of Falconia might not be happy with a gigantic eyeball in their midst). More like a gigantic building to me.

Offline renderz

Re: Episode 334
« Reply #167 on: April 26, 2014, 06:35:24 PM »
I've been following this forum for years and now with this new episode I decided to finally make a account too, although registering here was a pain, anyway nice to meet you all.
As for the episode itself it was worth the wait, nice to see some old characters, the ending felt like something dark is about to happen so I'm looking forward to it. :guts:

Offline asic

Re: Episode 334
« Reply #168 on: May 01, 2014, 02:13:57 PM »
The shot where we see the city from above reminded me a lot of this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146III-373%2C_Modell_der_Neugestaltung_Berlins_%28%22Germania%22%29.jpg

And in case you didn't know what it is, it was Hitlers future plans for Berlin and the huge dome building was to be the biggest dome ever created. I see some similarities there.

Online Walter

  • 賢者
  • Administrator
  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 15860
  • Karma: 463
  • Gender: Male
  • Chapter ≠ Episode
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #169 on: May 01, 2014, 02:22:57 PM »
The shot where we see the city from above reminded me a lot of this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146III-373%2C_Modell_der_Neugestaltung_Berlins_%28%22Germania%22%29.jpg

And in case you didn't know what it is, it was Hitlers future plans for Berlin and the huge dome building was to be the biggest dome ever created. I see some similarities there.

Indeed, I think I actually mentioned this in the 307, thread back in the day. The big, grand structures are definitely reminiscent of it. And you bring up a good point about how striking the central road leading to the capitol is. Afterall, Hitler was the guy who dreamed of the Tausendjähriges Reich (THOUSAND YEAR EMPIRE). He was a monster, but man... I'd have liked to see that city, from a purely architectural perspective.
:femto: :slan: :ubik:

Offline Alucroas

  • Of the World
  • *
  • Posts: 19
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • Abomination
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #170 on: May 02, 2014, 02:13:03 PM »
So would it be safe to assume Femto plans on sacrificing the people of Falconia as a sort of last-ditch effort to save himself in the hypothetical event that Guts does manage to find a way to run him through with the Dragonslayer?

I'm referencing the crescent moon and eclipse moon its half-consuming.

Online Walter

  • 賢者
  • Administrator
  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 15860
  • Karma: 463
  • Gender: Male
  • Chapter ≠ Episode
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #171 on: May 02, 2014, 06:52:47 PM »
So would it be safe to assume Femto plans on sacrificing the people of Falconia as a sort of last-ditch effort to save himself in the hypothetical event that Guts does manage to find a way to run him through with the Dragonslayer?

I'm referencing the crescent moon and eclipse moon its half-consuming.

I dunno if I'd say that's likely. As a member of the God Hand, he shouldn't have anything left to sacrifice. Remember, the Count's double-sacrifice was to correct the error that had been made before in letting Theresia survive, and really a result of Guts' interference in bringing the beherit to him inadvertantly. That scenario also presumes that Griffith cares so deeply for every vagrant that piles into his city.

It is tempting to tie Falconia's destruction to a ceremony we're already so familiar with, and it does make sense that with all the focus on demonic ceremonies that we'd see at least one more again. But I personally get the feeling that the city's (nation's?) destruction will be something unforeseen, something cataclysmic. Afterall, Gaiseric's city was swallowed up by the earth. I don't think we've seen anything that parallels that kind of phenomena.

As to the symbolism of that eclipse insignia, keep in mind that symbol has changed. But for Gaiseric, it could be a number of things, but it certainly doesn't seem logical to me that it's foreshadowing. Rather, it makes more sense it was created to represent something that occurred in the past.
:femto: :slan: :ubik:

Offline Doc

Re: Episode 334
« Reply #172 on: May 04, 2014, 09:48:27 AM »
While technically Griffith shouldn't have anything left to sacrifice, since his mortal ties were severed during the Eclipse, Miura has already shown he's willing to bend the rules for plot purposes, namely the Beherit-Apostle. You could argue he was one of a kind, but then Griffith/Femto is an even greater exception. It would be profoundly poetic if Guts forced Griffith to sacrifice his 'dream' once again. Not that I expect the author to go down this route, at least not in such simplistic terms.

I'm keen to find out if the mechanics of Beherits/Apostles has been affected on some level by the world merger. Will the nature of the ceremonies change now that the God Hand inhabit the physical realm? What will happen if Griffith's demon army dwindles before the fantasy creatures (and unrelated parties :guts:)? Will he have a back-up plan to harvest Apostles in a similar way to Ganishka? Questions, questions, questions!

Offline Aazealh

  • 髑髏の騎士
  • Administrator
  • Of Terror
  • *****
  • Posts: 18399
  • Karma: 624
  • Gender: Male
  • そうはいかぬ
Re: Episode 334
« Reply #173 on: May 04, 2014, 10:56:11 AM »
While technically Griffith shouldn't have anything left to sacrifice, since his mortal ties were severed during the Eclipse

It's beyond that. He'd sacrifice people he doesn't care about, and in what circumstance? A special ceremony presided by himself and his buddies? And in order to gain what? There are multiple problems with that idea.

Miura has already shown he's willing to bend the rules for plot purposes, namely the Beherit-Apostle.

The Beherit-Apostle is a pretty specific case in many regards, but I wouldn't say it's really bending the rules since whatever rules there are have always been relatively loose in how they could be interpreted. Another unusual case is Ganishka, specifically his foggy apostle form, but again nothing ever said such things weren't possible.

I'm keen to find out if the mechanics of Beherits/Apostles has been affected on some level by the world merger. Will the nature of the ceremonies change now that the God Hand inhabit the physical realm?

I wonder if there are even going to be new ceremonies at all. There might exist a simpler process now.

Offline Doc

Re: Episode 334
« Reply #174 on: May 04, 2014, 01:24:43 PM »
It's beyond that. He'd sacrifice people he doesn't care about, and in what circumstance? A special ceremony presided by himself and his buddies? And in order to gain what? There are multiple problems with that idea.

Perhaps not necessarily the denizens themselves, but Falconia and its personal significance to Griffith. It's not like everyone in Albion was cherished by the Beherit-Apostle when he sacrificed the "world" around him, on the contrary if anything. As for what might bring about such an action, I was building on the original proposition: that Guts somehow develops a means of destroying Griffith with the Dragonslayer.

The Beherit-Apostle is a pretty specific case in many regards, but I wouldn't say it's really bending the rules since whatever rules there are have always been relatively loose in how they could be interpreted. Another unusual case is Ganishka, specifically his foggy apostle form, but again nothing ever said such things weren't possible.

It was certainly a departure from what we had hitherto gleaned about Apostles & sacrifice in the Berserk universe. In hindsight, sure, the rules can be loosely defined but it was fairly black and white how the process worked before the Beherit-Apostle entered the equation.  After all, what if anything was the Beherit-Apostle, if not causality's loophole for having Griffith incarnated?