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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2003, 02:46:21 AM »
could be, maybe not. Then why did Schierke discover something odd with the Dragonslayer and not Guts himself?

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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2003, 03:09:17 AM »
I vote that the 2nd forging of the DS by yours truly has somehow "incorporated" the essence of all the apostles/spirits that Guts had slain before (the count, snake baron, roshinu, etc) and now has a presence "fully in the spirit world" just like the people who are branded. Because of this, the sword can bypass the law of casuality that protects Griffith/God Hand because it's "more than a part of this world"   8)

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I think that is just pure nonsense and not logical.

The DS can have somekind of essence, but going against the law of casuality is all about Guts and his life (being born from a dead corpse, being a struggler, enduring even though branded, etc...).
If anyone is breaking the law, then its Guts!


Didn't I just say that?
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« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2003, 03:37:26 AM »
I was just repeating myself to those who were not paying attention, but i said it first, see the posts above you.

Berserk isn't really "dark fantasy" either. It's plain fantasy
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« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2003, 03:43:44 AM »
Also the title of the chapter has "Princess" in there? Maybe Slan was once SK's wife/sister/daughter and was caught doing the nasty w/ Void? ;-)  and that's why Void was tortured I bet ... :D

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Sorry, Godo. I don't think you're right about Lady Slan. ;D
First of all, the title "princess" is a mistranslation of the translating program. The correct word is a "prostitute". And it was told during the eclipse (true one when Griffith changed himself to Femto) that GodHands had changed themselves to their spiritual forms every 216 year. From these I conclude that Lady Slan is at least 216 years younger than Void or Skully. ;D
BTW I half-agree the nasty guess about mi lady concerning her lusciousness but half-disagree concerning Void's dryness in his mind or his disability in his body. I think Void is/was an absolutely abstinent priest. Even if he wants some fun he has no way of pleasing Mi Lady, he has no lips, no tongue, and no LEGS. He only has his 12 long, sharp, dangerous fingers. ;D
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« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2003, 04:58:29 AM »
First of all, the title "princess" is a mistranslation of the translating program. The correct word is a "prostitute".
THAT is impressive...

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« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2003, 06:17:35 AM »
doh doh doh...

not a good day for speculations :-p

oh well, back to the grave...  :-X

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« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2003, 06:25:49 AM »
I was just repeating myself to those who were not paying attention, but i said it first, see the posts above you.



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« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2003, 06:29:23 AM »
I appreciate the huge interest the community has taken in these pre-chapter speculations but um... we don't even have a legit summary yet. Isn't it a little early to be talking about the origins of the Dragon Slayer, or even more relevant, saying people are wrong about things?

Let's just calm down and be rational about what to expect.

Like... a 10 chapter long Gaiseric flashback, ending with a huge clash between Idea and Mr.Clean. SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! at the Quadrodome!!
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« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2003, 06:33:18 AM »
Sorry folks, no YA today...I went to 6 different stores and they did not have it!!!  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( So I am going to check back on monday....sorry once again.
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« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2003, 06:57:06 AM »
Sorry folks, no YA today...I went to 6 different stores and they did not have it!!!  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( So I am going to check back on monday....sorry once again.
well, you tried, and thats far more then is expected of you
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« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2003, 08:43:36 AM »
could be, maybe not. Then why did Schierke discover something odd with the Dragonslayer and not Guts himself?

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I suspected that the power of the sword lies at the beast i guess (since it is mentioned that DS has the power of shadow spirit)... but i still dun think there is any power naturally, it is just a huge piece of metal without any magic imbue on it.

The real power should have come from Guts himself since going through so much sufferings...
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« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2003, 10:23:17 AM »
Not a summary yet as I don't have YA yet but I'll write down some stuff that happens in this chapter.

Slan refers to Skully as King.
It seems like the other God hands r roaming around freely in the world like Slan.
Isidro vs Troll King
Schierke used the power of the Shadow spirit to close off the openning to Qlipoth.
And it seems like the Dragon Slayer has the power of the shadow spirits.

I'll post a summary once I get YA

Thank you, at least gives to know a little of what it will happen, it is being now very interesting! Isidro Vs THE King of Trolls? Hmmm...will it be that later Farnese or Serpico that it will struggle with him will be ? How much Dragon Slayer to attract spirits I don't have any idea why that, but did  have Schirke to be to discover? Since the apostles are using the trolls for if manisfestarem, which their connection, then ? I think until the end of that perhaps skirt some explanation!  ???

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« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2003, 11:07:51 AM »
Hm, so Slan didn't become Sk's new pony?

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« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2003, 01:23:12 PM »
and this is the babelfish one :

The 娼 princess of the 220th story * uterine sea (and others the present ょ float which is the わ) (the ベルセルク of 4/25 sales * 9) the horseman of the 髑 髏 which stands before the スラン. " 娼 princess invitation of the uterine sea it does 喚, the your only way?" as for the スラン it says that it went personally.

By the appearance of 5 public attention, the world has started being piled up. The other God * hand bureau (the セフィラ) dissolving, without forming either shape, drifting, says it is. The horseman of the 髑 髏 which pulls out the sword. With one voice of the スラン the countless オーグル appears the around. On one hand, the seal which advocates technique in circle. The trawl which had the farming tool gets near to there. As for the barrier there is an effect in only those of the 幽 body. The イシドロ determines that it fights with trawl. The seal word of the flora floats on the brain reverse side.

As for technique it is most effective to use power, on the basis of the principle of all things correspondence, but that is dangerous thing. If power is left over in the hand of the specialist, because there is a possibility of swallowing the specialist himself is. The air does not have to be permitted in profit, is the darkness. " Without forgetting, when you look the darkness, the オーグル where also the darkness looks you and " attacks to the horseman of the 髑 髏. The horseman of the 髑 髏 exchanges attack, is accustomed to cutting the オーグル. Is, but the オーグル appears one after another. The スラン which looks at that. " How the king you being able to enjoy? " As for here vicinity of yellow spring.

The オーグル and others grows with a lot of. The horseman of the 髑 髏 halts, looks at the スラン. " The machine it becomes and " as for the スラン becomes aware in situation. The guts which reset consciousness had directed the artificial arm to the スラン. The cannon which explodes direct bomb hit does in the torso of the スラン. The イシドロ which on one hand, fights with the explosion bullet. The boss of trawl appears there. As for remainder of the explosion bullet there is only one. It is directed the bow cancer/gun, after already, it is not. In order to be spurred to something, the イシドロ appears in before. " Low! Fast! " It exchanges the arrow, rolls to bosom of trawl. When it rises, simultaneously one sword. The moment not inserting, the sword is thrusted. The スラン which receives the cannon.

The jackpot opens in the torso, but the smile is floated without 怯 む thing. " ・ ・ ・ this which is not enough at all more more ", the horseman of the 髑 髏 shouts. You forged in grudge of many thousand fanatics, if it is that sword, it is possible to penetrate. Guts thrusted the スラン with the sword.

Below, thought. When you think from invitation 喚 speech of the horseman of the 髑 髏, and denial of the スラン, as for the influence which is caused to the God * hand due to the fact that the world is piled up, as for appearing in the in the past ・ ・ ・ world when it is possible automatic > presently to appear with will individual of the ・ ・ ・, it becomes, but consciousness with the in the past ・ ・ ・ world there is no this > presently there to be ・ ・ ・ consciousness, with it probably will be possible to think? Well, as story understands, because also it presumes it keeps changing steadily, badness, it drives and the ・ ・ ・. what the horseman of the 髑 髏 called the スラン " the 娼 princess of the uterine sea " is concerned. As for king speech with according to the foreshadowing. The strange dimension where the God ・ hand stays the セフィラ (single several shapes of the セフィロト) from the fact that is, as for セ phyllo- To seems that it is not the case, space just of the スラン.

 
 presently to appear with will individual of the ・ ・ ・, it becomes, but consciousness with the in the past ・ ・ ・ world there is no this > presently there to be ・ ・ ・ consciousness, with it probably will be possible to think? Well, as story understands, because also it presumes it keeps changing steadily, badness, it drives and the ・ ・ ・. what the horseman of the 髑 髏 called the スラン " the 娼 princess of the uterine sea " is concerned. As for king speech with according to the foreshadowing. The strange dimension where the God ・ hand stays the セフィラ (single several shapes of the セフィロト) from the fact that is, as for セ phyllo- To seems that it is not the case, space just of the スラン.">
 
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Re:220
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2003, 02:19:13 PM »
Skully and Slann start talking to each other. Skully asks is Slan is the only one to show up and Slann tells him that she came by her own will. She explains that with the arrival of the 5th GH, the worlds are becoming one. And that the other GH have dissolved into Sephira, and they are also drifting about without a form. As Skully raises his sword, Slann calls for a bunch of Ogre's.
On the otherhand, Schierke is casting her spell as Isidro fights the trolls. Schierke starts to remember the words of Flora. And how spells may end up consuming the spell caster themself. And the most dangerous is the Shadow.
The orgre's continue to attack Skully but Skully dodge's there attack and slice's them up. As Skully keeps slicing, the ogre's keep coming out. Slann then refers to Skully as "The King" and asks if he's enjoying it.
Skully stops and looks at Slann and says that this is the chance. Slann then realizes that Guts has the arm cannon aimed right at her. The cannon hits her right in the torso area.
As Isidro continue's to fight the trolls, the troll king shows up. Isidro charges at the troll king and stabs him.
A huge hole is formed in her torso area from the cannon but Slann just smiles. She then tells Guts that this isnt enough and that she wants more. Skully then yells out to Guts. He tells him that the DS has been forged by the countless hatred from spirits, and with that sword, it is possible to hurt her. Guts then stabs Slann.

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Re:220
« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2003, 02:26:45 PM »
Skully and Slann start talking to each other. Skully asks is Slan is the only one to show up and Slann tells him that she came by her own will. She explains that with the arrival of the 5th GH,
so... does griff still count as a godhand?

Since when has the DS been good for stabbing?  Its allways been more of a slashing/crushing weapon...  ;D
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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2003, 02:27:38 PM »
Thank you Saiki.
It's gonna be great to see Guts and Skully finally fighting side by side. But Guts stabbing Slann ?? Imagine he kills her this early !
I already love this capitolo.

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« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2003, 03:15:43 PM »
Poor, poor Slann. She'd have to be my favourite of the God Hand as well... or is it looking more like, she was my favourite member of the God Hand. Miura won't kill her off that easily/quickly though would he? And at least the Skull Knight has let us know that while Guts is still an under dog, he can at least hurt the God Hand and Griffith it would seem.

By the way, thanks for the summary Saiki.

The Dragon Slayer forged with hatred? There isn't a weapon more suited for Guts in that case. But this is suggesting through Guts' struggles, running the Dragon Slayer through endless spirits and demons has made it this way correct? Not that its always been like that, since Godo forged it? So, is there any tie in with this "Shadow" magic, and it consuming the caster - and the fact that Guts is using the Dragon Slayer, and the Beast has been trying to consume or possess him, in a mental sense?

Anyway, thanks again... oh, just out of interest, does Slann react at all to being stabbed by the Dragon Slayer? Or are we going to have to wait until 221 to see if it actually has the effect Skull Knight says it does?
"Good and evil. Evil isn't just malice - murder and rape and massacre. Before everything the Devil is the father of lies - the lies you tell, the truths you don't tell. Everything hidden is theft. Everything reserved from those we love is fraud, and there’s always something, isn't there? Yet, what everyone wants is for evil people to be off somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds and so they can be separated from ordinary men and women and ultimately... destroyed. But the line that separates good and evil cuts through every human heart, and who is willing to destroy a piece of their own heart?"

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« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2003, 03:32:58 PM »
This isn't really Slan, this is just a body she manifested herself with.  Even if Guts DOES kill her, she'll still be alive, or whatever it is that the godhand are.
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« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2003, 04:16:23 PM »
This isn't really Slan, this is just a body she manifested herself with.  Even if Guts DOES kill her, she'll still be alive, or whatever it is that the godhand are.
I'm not really sure anymore. We know all layers are becoming one, could it be that Abyss where God Hand dwells is melting with the others as well, causing the necessary 'reincarnation' of the GH memberS?
As for the DS. Before Griffith was reborn, it was just an usual big sword. Indeed, it must have getting connected to all the apostles and spirits it had killed but I'm pretty sure it was clear only on atral world ( this one not with the real one yet, nobody had noticed then ). Maybe the Beast was also hiding in the astral world : since Guts is in the interstice, he had been able to see it already in vol17 ( and spirits told him about it in vol16 ) but there was no real big deal. Until Griffith's reborn, then the Beast is becoming one with Guts as seen in vol23.
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« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2003, 04:38:46 PM »
wow thanks for the summary Saiki thats sounding schweet! =)

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« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2003, 04:40:48 PM »
Skully and Slann start talking to each other. Skully asks is Slan is the only one to show up and Slann tells him that she came by her own will. She explains that with the arrival of the 5th GH,
so... does griff still count as a godhand?

Since when has the DS been good for stabbing?  Its allways been more of a slashing/crushing weapon...  ;D

slann said that this sephira thing happened when the godhand was completed .... then the godhand began to float around(seeking forms?) .... slann gained her form from the remains of the trolls .... griffith gained his form from the demon child at albion .... drawing on this i say that griffith sill is a godhand member .... its like the mafia, you just dont quite
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« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2003, 05:09:02 PM »
Nah.. then whats the point of "1 godhand member every 1000 years"

This is just something Slans doing for fun since the party wandered into the depths of reality.  Destroying this body will just end her fun.
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« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2003, 05:11:30 PM »
hrm saying the dragon slayer is "forged in hate"  may be a way of saying that all the killing of the apostles that was done in hatred has led up to its current state.  it may not directly indicate that the sword was forged by godo in hate.  you don't see a lot of hate in that guy.  but guts has been killing with it completely enraged for quite a long time now and perhaps thats what they are indicating.  all those deaths that the sword caused and all the hate soaking into it basically "forging" it untill its this horrific sword we see now.