Author Topic: Episode 222  (Read 62893 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Majin Tenshi

  • McCoy Golem!
  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 2177
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • The can opener went bye-bye...
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #150 on: June 19, 2003, 04:24:55 AM »
Hmmm... last I checked.  Griffith didn't really give a damn about Guts.  He doesn't want Casca to get hurt, and sending a bunch of apostles to her area isn't a good way to prevent that.
Ok, so I leave and come back....

Offline Dark Wanderer

  • Of the Interstice
  • **
  • Posts: 239
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm evil :p
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #151 on: June 19, 2003, 05:09:18 AM »
Hmmm... last I checked.  Griffith didn't really give a damn about Guts.  He doesn't want Casca to get hurt, and sending a bunch of apostles to her area isn't a good way to prevent that.

Well, remember that Guts & Casca is branded, so it can't be predicted where those are going to go, so maybe Griffith didn't know that they would be there by then. Nor do I think that he knew that Skully would be there, which might have delayed the battle long enough for Guts & Company to show up, when the idea instead was that the battle would be finished before they showed up. Also, he might have given his soldiers orders to not hurt her. It's possible, at least.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
The Force shall free me.

Offline Dark Wanderer

  • Of the Interstice
  • **
  • Posts: 239
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm evil :p
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #152 on: June 19, 2003, 05:13:49 AM »
We might also had to dig Guts grave if Griffith is here personally, no way would Guts anger being sufficient enough to fight Griffith

Maybe not, but his anger has saved him many times before ^_^. And not that the fact that Griffith probably is stronger is something that would prevent Guts from trying to get him, if he's indeed there, which I judge as very unlikely.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
The Force shall free me.

Offline Smith

Re:Episode 222
« Reply #153 on: June 19, 2003, 05:54:31 AM »
let me ask this again.  Why does Griffith know/care about Skully and Flora?

Griffith should know about Skully especially as they met be4. For Flora case i m not very sure but i guess he should know also becz he is a God Hand!

The reason why Griffith seemed to care for Flora and Skully maybe becz they are the only being in the whole world that is powerful enough to pose a threat to Griffith's empire. Since Guts happen to pass-by, he may be making use of the opportunity to get rid all of them at once!

Note: All these r just speculations!
It piss me off when I see weaklings, it make me want to crush them

Offline Walter

  • 賢者
  • Administrator
  • Of Terror
  • *****
  • Posts: 16129
  • Karma: 532
  • Gender: Male
  • Chapter ≠ Episode
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #154 on: June 19, 2003, 01:26:49 PM »
Well, remember that Guts & Casca is branded, so it can't be predicted where those are going to go.
Yeah, that whole Hill of Swords battle?  Lucky guess.
:femto: :slan: :ubik:

Offline Dark Wanderer

  • Of the Interstice
  • **
  • Posts: 239
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm evil :p
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #155 on: June 19, 2003, 01:58:37 PM »
Yeah, that whole Hill of Swords battle?  Lucky guess.

Well, Rickert isn't branded, and thus, he'd know his location, at least. and I don't think it'd take much thinking to know that if Casca was saved, Guts would return there. Also, if God Hand can "spy" on people or soemthing like that, then they'd know that Guts had promised to return there when he found Casca. It's not entirly impossible, that they used their infludence on Rickert so that he'd say that to Guts; that he'd come back after he'd found her, so that Griffith could meet him then.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2003, 01:59:47 PM by Dark Wanderer »
Peace is a lie, there is only passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
The Force shall free me.

Offline Olivier Hague

  • Chairman of the Board
  • Of the Vortex
  • ****
  • Posts: 1689
  • Karma: 10
  • Gender: Male
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #156 on: June 19, 2003, 05:53:05 PM »
remember that Guts & Casca is branded, so it can't be predicted where those are going to go
Where does that come from?

Offline Dark Wanderer

  • Of the Interstice
  • **
  • Posts: 239
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm evil :p
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #157 on: June 19, 2003, 06:09:45 PM »
Where does that come from?

*shrughs* Ir's more or less just an idea of mine. But, if they're outside of Fate's control, which is normaly controlled by the Idea, thne it sounds kinda logic that they (God Hand and others) shouldn't be able to know, or in any way affect where they are going, thus, they'd be able to "guess" where they'd be going, but not directly "know" it. Something like that, anyway ^^;.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
The Force shall free me.

Offline Walter

  • 賢者
  • Administrator
  • Of Terror
  • *****
  • Posts: 16129
  • Karma: 532
  • Gender: Male
  • Chapter ≠ Episode
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #158 on: June 19, 2003, 06:20:48 PM »
*shrughs* Ir's more or less just an idea of mine. But, if they're outside of Fate's control,
Yeah, that's where your idea went wrong.
:femto: :slan: :ubik:

Offline The Perineum Falcon

  • Slightly Green, all Ranemaka
  • Of the Vortex
  • ****
  • Posts: 1255
  • Karma: 2
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #159 on: June 19, 2003, 07:24:05 PM »
*shrughs* Ir's more or less just an idea of mine. But, if they're outside of Fate's control, which is normaly controlled by the Idea, thne it sounds kinda logic that they (God Hand and others) shouldn't be able to know, or in any way affect where they are going, thus, they'd be able to "guess" where they'd be going, but not directly "know" it. Something like that, anyway ^^;.

I think it may be pretty safe to say that even if they are entirely "out of Fate's control" then the Brand would at least show up as a Bleep on the God Hand's radar, yes?
however, since Causality is a spiral, perhaps it was meant to happen? maybe its happened before as well. and if it's meant to happen then, of course, theyre not entirely out of Fate's Influence and the God Hand can still "see" them (but i dont think, personally, them being outside of Causality has anything to do with whether or not GH can "see" them).

is what ive said too obvious?
« Last Edit: June 19, 2003, 07:27:46 PM by ranemaka13 »
We often went to the cinema, the screen would light up and we would tremble, but also, increasingly often, Madeleine and I were disappointed. The images had dated, they jittered, and Marilyn Monroe had gotten terribly old. We were sad, this wasn't the film we had dreamed of, this wasn't the total film that we all carried around inside us, this film that we would have wanted to make, or, more secretly, no doubt, that we would have wanted to live.

Offline Dark Wanderer

  • Of the Interstice
  • **
  • Posts: 239
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm evil :p
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #160 on: June 19, 2003, 07:43:11 PM »
Yeah, that's where your idea went wrong.

Heh, maybe so ^_^. Still, ideas,wrong or not, makes things more interesting here, ne? ^_^
Peace is a lie, there is only passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
The Force shall free me.

Offline Dark Wanderer

  • Of the Interstice
  • **
  • Posts: 239
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm evil :p
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #161 on: June 19, 2003, 07:49:11 PM »
I think it may be pretty safe to say that even if they are entirely "out of Fate's control" then the Brand would at least show up as a Bleep on the God Hand's radar, yes?
however, since Causality is a spiral, perhaps it was meant to happen? maybe its happened before as well. and if it's meant to happen then, of course, theyre not entirely out of Fate's Influence and the God Hand can still "see" them (but i dont think, personally, them being outside of Causality has anything to do with whether or not GH can "see" them).

is what ive said too obvious?

:P. Quite so :). Still, I'm not entirly convinced of that my idea is all that wrong. Still, there's things that may prove that my idea's wrong; if Slan, for example, knew that Guts would appear in the Troll Village, then that might mean that GH can "see" them (but apaprently, it seems like Slan did not forsee how their encounter would end up) and thus, in a way, keep an eye on them if necressiary...
Peace is a lie, there is only passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
The Force shall free me.

Offline Majin Tenshi

  • McCoy Golem!
  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 2177
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • The can opener went bye-bye...
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #162 on: June 19, 2003, 07:53:09 PM »
Remember in one of the first few volumes... when Guts is in the woods at night and the God Hand bugs him...  I think the brand makes people easier to find.  
Ok, so I leave and come back....

Offline Olivier Hague

  • Chairman of the Board
  • Of the Vortex
  • ****
  • Posts: 1689
  • Karma: 10
  • Gender: Male
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #163 on: June 19, 2003, 08:01:50 PM »
Remember in one of the first few volumes... when Guts is in the woods at night and the God Hand bugs him...
I don't remember that. :

Offline Dark Wanderer

  • Of the Interstice
  • **
  • Posts: 239
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm evil :p
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #164 on: June 19, 2003, 08:05:05 PM »
Remember in one of the first few volumes... when Guts is in the woods at night and the God Hand bugs him...  I think the brand makes people easier to find.  

Talking about the anime? Well, as far as I know, that event never happened in the manga, and in the anime, it seems like it was more like a nightmare, or just the evil spirits talking, taking she shape of God Hand or showing him visions as they tormented him. But, yes, brands makes people easier to find.. for apostles, that's it. We don't know how it'd be for a God Hand.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
The Force shall free me.

Offline Griffith

  • The Millennium Falcon
  • Falconian
  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 9877
  • Karma: 282
  • Gender: Male
  • My posts are better.
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #165 on: June 19, 2003, 08:05:38 PM »
Remember in one of the first few volumes... when Guts is in the woods at night and the God Hand bugs him...  I think the brand makes people easier to find.  

Those were ghouls and evil spirits. It did happen in episode 1 of the anime where he actually saw God Hand though. But the point remains, the brand attracts evil spirits, it doesn't "hide" it's carrier.

-Griffith

Offline Majin Tenshi

  • McCoy Golem!
  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 2177
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • The can opener went bye-bye...
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #166 on: June 20, 2003, 12:55:05 AM »
I should have mentioned that I was thinking of the anime.  But I think theres a parallel scene in the Manga.  Maybe not in the woods...
Ok, so I leave and come back....

Offline Smith

Re:Episode 222
« Reply #167 on: June 20, 2003, 03:29:07 AM »
I should have mentioned that I was thinking of the anime.  But I think theres a parallel scene in the Manga.  Maybe not in the woods...

Well u should know that the anime is a bit different from the manga.

I do agree that brand make Guts more obvious to the spiritual being, but it would be better if u say that the brand attract them instead.
It piss me off when I see weaklings, it make me want to crush them

Offline Majin Tenshi

  • McCoy Golem!
  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 2177
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • The can opener went bye-bye...
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #168 on: June 20, 2003, 04:03:20 AM »
It makes him visable, and ghosts are attracted to anything living they can see.  Actualy, it seems to warp the entire area around him, since those around him are also attacked by ghosts.  

Anyways, it should be like a beacon to the Godhand, not a way to be free of them.
Ok, so I leave and come back....

Offline Swordsman in Sable

  • Of the Interstice
  • **
  • Posts: 109
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • Der.
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #169 on: June 20, 2003, 06:22:05 AM »
Hey guys, first post here...dunno if anyone's considered this yet, and sorry if this should go on the speculation section, but this has crossed my mind:

Flora mentions hoping that Guts and crew don't make the same ' mistake(s)' that she and/or skully did.

I have a strange feeling that could have something to do with skully's form, in that he likely used his Beherit, sacrificed, and later met Flora, whereas Guts hasn't yet used his, and may never use it, though the likelyhood of him using it will increase. The situation concerning the world and the apocalypse is getting more urgent by the day, and Guts has friends again that he appreciates...in other words, viable sacrifices.

In addition to that, Guts' spirit is wounded, which might have consequences other than possible death, such as the beast resurfacing and/or growing stronger inside him, maybe with such effects lingering even after he gets healed (assuming he will get healed).

Just some ideas and speculation  ;D
Like a pimp on a bicycle, so are the days of our lives.

Offline Dark Wanderer

  • Of the Interstice
  • **
  • Posts: 239
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm evil :p
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #170 on: June 20, 2003, 06:39:29 AM »
Anyways, it should be like a beacon to the Godhand, not a way to be free of them.

Well, even if it doesn't make them invisible to the God Hand, the brand does place them outside of the Hand/Idea's direct infludence, or so it seems.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
The Force shall free me.

Offline Dark Wanderer

  • Of the Interstice
  • **
  • Posts: 239
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm evil :p
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #171 on: June 20, 2003, 06:45:15 AM »
Flora mentions hoping that Guts and crew don't make the same ' mistake(s)' that she and/or skully did.

Hmm, does she indeed say "mistake"? I can't see that with my current level in japanese :'(, but I throught someone said before that she said "decision"? If so, they dind't necressiary make a mistake, just a decision that was dangerous.

Quote
In addition to that, Guts' spirit is wounded, which might have consequences other than possible death, such as the beast resurfacing and/or growing stronger inside him, maybe with such effects lingering even after he gets healed (assuming he will get healed).

Well, good idea :). However, I've begun to wonder, if the armor that Guts is to receive affects the soul in any way, couldn't that possibly help to "heal" his soul? Hmm, speculations, speculations..  ;D
Peace is a lie, there is only passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
The Force shall free me.

Offline SaiyajinNoOuji

  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 3068
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm still better than you
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #172 on: June 20, 2003, 07:02:38 AM »
Quote
However, I've begun to wonder, if the armor that Guts is to receive affects the soul in any way, couldn't that possibly help to "heal" his soul?

More then likely it will heal but the way Skullknight and Flora were talking about it, it sounds as if it is going to have a very big downside...

Also, I know this is kinda speculation but.. With Guts brand bleeding I wonder who is still there? I don't think it is Zodd...and if it is SK will more then likely still be there. But I wonder...maybe it's that little bastard that was all about Griffith? You know..the kid...anyways...  :P
"Plenty of time to sleep when you're dead!"

Offline sendo7

  • Of the World
  • *
  • Posts: 43
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • Fight me, kill me, I like it
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #173 on: June 20, 2003, 07:42:32 AM »
Also, I know this is kinda speculation but.. With Guts brand bleeding I wonder who is still there? I don't think it is Zodd...and if it is SK will more then likely still be there. But I wonder...maybe it's that little bastard that was all about Griffith? You know..the kid...anyways...

I couldn't be the kid (Mule), because the brand wouldn't hurt if it was the kid, because he is a human. And he as a army of human.
So...  :P

Offline SaiyajinNoOuji

  • Of the Abyss
  • *****
  • Posts: 3068
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm still better than you
Re:Episode 222
« Reply #174 on: June 20, 2003, 07:49:12 AM »
Smash my dreams to bastard!  ;D
"Plenty of time to sleep when you're dead!"