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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #175 on: June 20, 2003, 07:58:32 AM »
Well, even if it doesn't make them invisible to the God Hand, the brand does place them outside of the Hand/Idea's direct infludence
Slow down. You might have another "idea." Hey, I have one! Skully is Guts from the future.
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #176 on: June 20, 2003, 08:06:04 AM »
Skully is Guts from the future.

You have a great idea Walter, too bad that cant be possible though!
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #177 on: June 20, 2003, 09:09:11 AM »
Hmm, does she indeed say "mistake"? I can't see that with my current level in japanese :'(, but I throught someone said before that she said "decision"?

Flora says: "It may look like people are making the same mistake over and over again, but causality isn't a torus (circle), it's a helix. Those children, they don't have to follow the same path as you and I did."

Although she doesn't say it directly, I think she does imply here that they made some mistake/wrong decision on their path. Interesting observation by the way of the fact that Guts just gained a fresh couple of possible sacrifices.

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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #178 on: June 20, 2003, 10:32:13 AM »
Although she doesn't say it directly, I think she does imply here that they made some mistake/wrong decision on their path. Interesting observation by the way of the fact that Guts just gained a fresh couple of possible sacrifices.

Yeah, thinks you're right. Cause if you remember the vol.10 where they talk about 1000 years ago. There was some massacre that occur. So maybe Skully doesn't want that guts fight the same dark path as his, because, maybe (that's just speculation) Skully lose to the wolf inside of him and then... don't konw. But Yeah, I really would like to see a chapter that tells the story of Skully, Flora and Zodd.

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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #179 on: June 20, 2003, 10:39:07 AM »
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So maybe Skully doesn't want that guts fight the same dark path as his, because, maybe (that's just speculation) Skully lose to the wolf inside of him

Wolf? WTF? Did I miss something or are you just making stuff up?
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #180 on: June 20, 2003, 11:06:17 AM »
Yeah, sorry, don't speak clearly, I mean to the succubs. Because when I talk about the wolf, I'm speaking the one that Guts saw in his dream from vol.13-25, the one that makes him bites the boobs of Casca.

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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #181 on: June 20, 2003, 11:31:24 AM »
Tis was the Beast in disguise, but yea, now I know what your talking about  ;)
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #182 on: June 20, 2003, 12:14:20 PM »


Yeah, thinks you're right. Cause if you remember the vol.10 where they talk about 1000 years ago. There was some massacre that occur.

I think that should resemble Griffith's empire in the future. I feel that in this case skully resemble more like Griffith!
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #183 on: June 20, 2003, 12:24:53 PM »
theres too much speculation going on this thing between skully and flora is realy getting interesting as also for schierke she is floras pupile but she seems to be anware of skullknith, even after spending so much time whit flora maybe a little more will be clear whit schierke background story since im guessing that skullys story wont be explained much later towards the end. also this armor what is its downside if its supose to heal Guts? maybe it will feed on its soul will it repairs the same  :P

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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #184 on: June 20, 2003, 12:26:32 PM »
Yeah, but what we don't know, if it's Zodd or Skully that was the king. If you take just the look it must be Skully, but maybe Miura makes a trap. We don't know

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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #185 on: June 20, 2003, 12:32:22 PM »
Zoddo looks like a barbarian tribe chief imo as there were 1000 years ago (cf charlotte's speech)... perhaps
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #186 on: June 20, 2003, 12:46:40 PM »
Where did you take this sentence, from vol.09-10 ???
Cause I didn't remember this sentence in the book.
Does Charlotte actually meet Zodd ? cause I don't remember too.

Maybe I'm too old to read manga now.... few my memories is gone  ???

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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #187 on: June 20, 2003, 01:14:06 PM »
the brand does place them outside of the Hand/Idea's direct infludence, or so it seems.
We don't know that.

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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #188 on: June 20, 2003, 01:24:11 PM »
Where did you take this sentence, from vol.09-10 ???
Cause I didn't remember this sentence in the book.
Does Charlotte actually meet Zodd ? cause I don't remember too.

Maybe I'm too old to read manga now.... few my memories is gone  ???
You misunderstood ... charlotte spoke about tribes 1000 years ago but Zoddo being one of them is just an assumption of mine... ....
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #189 on: June 20, 2003, 01:36:36 PM »
Slow down. You might have another "idea." Hey, I have one! Skully is Guts from the future.

And pigs might fly :3. Well, interesting theory, but I don't believe that he'd abandon the Dragonslayer :3. But if you follow that theory, what if Flora is the Shiruke from the future? :D.
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #190 on: June 20, 2003, 01:40:18 PM »
Flora says: "It may look like people are making the same mistake over and over again, but causality isn't a torus (circle), it's a helix. Those children, they don't have to follow the same path as you and I did.

Thanks for that small translation ^_^.

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Although she doesn't say it directly, I think she does imply here that they made some mistake/wrong decision on their path. Interesting observation by the way of the fact that Guts just gained a fresh couple of possible sacrifices.

Maybe so. Wonder what mistake they made... or rather, where on their path that they did a mistake. It'll be interesting to see...
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #191 on: June 20, 2003, 01:41:58 PM »
We don't know that.

But most seems to assume that ^_^. Or could it be that Idea may be plotting it's own death, or at elast create an opponent to himself on purpose? :3.
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #192 on: June 20, 2003, 04:41:51 PM »
Though this seems to infer that the Guts/Skully parallel is accurate, Guts says after he hears all of this that “He is like Griffith.”


I was right. :D

...also, the Kanji on the page regarding the 'mistake' or 'decision'... the word clearly means 'select' or 'choose'. I'm voting on 'the decision that they made'... rather than 'mistake'.

And, the last comment by Flora about seeing the smiling face one last time.. I wonder if that's actually directed at Schierke, or both Skully and Schierke? She mentions that she 'felt the mind of her teacher' immediately after that scene.

Lastly, the mansion may be on fire, but the last scene w/ Skully and Flora took place outside, if I recall. They may well be alive and well (and fighting).


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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #193 on: June 20, 2003, 05:34:16 PM »
Lastly, the mansion may be on fire, but the last scene w/ Skully and Flora took place outside, if I recall. They may well be alive and well (and fighting).


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I hope so. That'd make things interesting :3. Maybe next chapter will be Guts & company (+ Skully & Flora) VS the Monster Army & Zodd. I wonder if any of the other "generals" besides Zodd are there, through?
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #194 on: June 20, 2003, 05:46:03 PM »
And pigs might fly :3. Well, interesting theory, but I don't believe that he'd abandon the Dragonslayer :3. But if you follow that theory, what if Flora is the Shiruke from the future? :D.
You couldn't see sarcasm if it did you missionary style.

Also, Dark Wanderer, learn to EDIT your posts, and not make triple posts...

Though this seems to infer that the Guts/Skully parallel is accurate, Guts says after he hears all of this that “He is like Griffith.”

I was right. :D
No, it was a bad translation. Keep reading the thread, Olivier points all of the mistranslations out.
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #195 on: June 20, 2003, 05:50:04 PM »
Though this seems to infer that the Guts/Skully parallel is accurate, Guts says after he hears all of this that “He is like Griffith.”


I was right. :D

Huh? What are you talking about? Guts didn't say the above words.

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...also, the Kanji on the page regarding the 'mistake' or 'decision'... the word clearly means 'select' or 'choose'. I'm voting on 'the decision that they made'... rather than 'mistake'.

Yes, that's already been said before. The word 'mistake' is in the sentence right before the one you're referring to. "ayamachi" definitely means "mistake" there.

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And, the last comment by Flora about seeing the smiling face one last time.. I wonder if that's actually directed at Schierke, or both Skully and Schierke? She mentions that she 'felt the mind of her teacher' immediately after that scene.

It's directed at Schierke only. There's no indication at all that the message was meant for Skully, too. And Skully can't even smile with a face like his anyways.

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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #196 on: June 20, 2003, 06:25:03 PM »
You couldn't see sarcasm if it did you missionary style.

Sorry, I have Asperger's syndrome, so seeing/reknogizing sarcasm is sometimes hard for me, so you're certainly not the first one who says that ^^;.

I'll be careful to use the "edit" opinion more in the future, through :).
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #197 on: June 20, 2003, 06:29:10 PM »
Sorry, I have Asperger's syndrome, so seeing/reknogizing sarcasm is sometimes hard for me

Don't you mean Assburger ?
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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #198 on: June 20, 2003, 06:30:47 PM »
Don't you mean Assburger ?

Nope..

Edit: and if you by saying that was trying to say that you throught that I wasn't serious when I said that I had Aspergers syndrome, then I can assure you that I am.
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Peace is a lie, there is only passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
The Force shall free me.

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Re:Episode 222
« Reply #199 on: June 20, 2003, 06:46:14 PM »
http://www.aspergers.com/aspclin.htm


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