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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2004, 10:16:36 PM »
Your fucking prejudiced, and 150 years ago you would have owned slaves.

If he was rich enough.

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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2004, 12:06:09 AM »
Sorry if the point I was trying to make was unclear. What I ment was gay marrage Media-wise. I see all types of shows on today, queer eye for the strait guy, strait plan for the gay man, etc., and it really makes me feel queesy. Soon there will be many shows like that, influencing very young people to have the "queer eye for the strait guy". And when they grow up, they will probably like the same sex. Gay couples, men for example, raises a boy, who would probably become gay too because both of his fathers are gay, and it spreads and spreads. Its just not natural.

Sorry if I missed your point?  No, I think your point was pretty obvious.  You're a bigot.  So basically, you think that "gayness", to use your term, rubs off on people when they watch television shows?  WTF??  So if I watch an episode of Law and Order I'll get the uncontrollable urge to become a cop or district attorney?
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2004, 12:08:35 AM »
SO, YOU'RE ARGUING THAT MEDIA DOSN'T AFFECT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS?  EXCELLENT WORK.
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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2004, 12:14:18 AM »
And you think that the media can affect an aspect of your life as major as your sexual orientation?
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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2004, 12:18:22 AM »
ARE YOU SAYING YOU DON'T?

I KNOW SOMEONE WHO CONSIDERED HIMSELF STRAIGHT BEFORE HE STARTED WATCHING WILL AND GRACE.  2 OR 3 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, AND HE'S QUEER AS BILL CLINTON ON A DOLLAR BILL.  OF COURSE, ONE ACCOUNT DOSN'T MAKE IT FACT OR ANYTHING.  AND HE WAS ALSO THE MOST EMOTIONALLY AND MENTALLY WEAK PERSON I'VE EVER MET.
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« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2004, 12:25:40 AM »
 OF COURSE, ONE ACCOUNT DOSN'T MAKE IT FACT OR ANYTHING.  AND HE WAS ALSO THE MOST EMOTIONALLY AND MENTALLY WEAK PERSON I'VE EVER MET.

That might be part of the problem, although, watching Will and Grace could even force someone with a relativly strong will, like me, to commit suicide. :-X
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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2004, 12:31:38 AM »
THEN AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY IT, DOSN'T THAT MEAN THAT DEMONX'S OPINION COULD HOLD SOME WEIGHT?  I IMAGINE THAT IF ONE PERSON WAS AFFECTED BY IT, THERE ARE PROBABLY MORE.

THEN AGAIN MY POINT OF VIEW HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT IF SOMEONE CREATES SOMETHING, THE CREATOR CAN NOT BE BLAMED FOR HOW IT AFFECTS PEOPLE.  UNLESS THE CREATOR'S INTENT WAS TO AFFECT THEM IN A NEGATIVE WAY OF COURSE.
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« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2004, 12:36:42 AM »
THEN AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY IT, DOSN'T THAT MEAN THAT DEMONX'S OPINION COULD HOLD SOME WEIGHT?  I IMAGINE THAT IF ONE PERSON WAS AFFECTED BY IT, THERE ARE PROBABLY MORE.

Nah, that was sarcasm.  ;D

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THEN AGAIN MY POINT OF VIEW HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT IF SOMEONE CREATES SOMETHING, THE CREATOR CAN NOT BE BLAMED FOR HOW IT AFFECTS PEOPLE.  UNLESS THE CREATOR'S INTENT WAS TO AFFECT THEM IN A NEGATIVE WAY OF COURSE.[/color][/size]

This I do agree with.
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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2004, 12:38:36 AM »
A perfect example of this is... Grand Theft Auto for PS2. Holy shit did that cause a lot of ruccus with parents, and lo and behold, some dumb shit kids try to be like it and parents start blaming the creators, fuck the parents, obviously they didnt do much to prevent this, so I dont know why they are not blaming themselves. jesus fucking christ.... I hate people sometimes.  >:(
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« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2004, 02:31:51 AM »
in instances like Grand theft auto...and Skulllard's friend...

the parents are the ones to blame. If a parent is going to have a child, the child ends up being mentally or emotionally unstable and starts to act out what they see on TV/ play in games, the parents should intervene and take control over what their child sees. It is when parents are unattentive that such things happen. And then they want to blame everything but their own parenting skills.

Parents are to blame here...not the TV not the playstation and not rappers (like eminem) that have violent lyrics.
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« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2004, 02:52:34 AM »
ok first off
Im not fucking prejudice against blacks. I just dont like gays because they are not natural. They spread diseases like aids and STDS, if you haven't figured that out. And yes, MEDIA DOES EFFECT THE WAY PEOPLE LIVE.

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Your fucking prejudiced, and 150 years ago you would have owned slaves.

pheonix, blacks and gays are 2 different subjects. Theres the people who are born like that, and the people who are not. People are not born homosexual. They are made homosexual. Blacks have no control over themselves being black so I see nothing wrong with them.

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Discrimination is discrimination. Gay/ straight/ black/ white....i don't see why it matters so damn much.

When blacks and other minorites demanded to have the same rights as the white population in this country, so many  people got up in arms saying that blacks would "spread their disease" amoungst those that were pure (white) and other stupid shit like that.

Homosexuality is just a different way of living your life. And if people knew more about it, they would realize that there is no need to be afraid of it. "gayness" is not coming to get you, or anyone for that matter.

TV shows make u uneasy? Change the channel. Don't watch TV ( i don't)

Laurana, I see your point. But I see prejudice against homosexuality different from prejudice against blacks. Being homosexual is not natural. You are not born liking the same sex. Yea, i know, prejudice is prejudice, but everyones entitled to their opinion, right?

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Sorry if I missed your point?  No, I think your point was pretty obvious.  You're a bigot.  So basically, you think that "gayness", to use your term, rubs off on people when they watch television shows?  WTF??  So if I watch an episode of Law and Order I'll get the uncontrollable urge to become a cop or district attorney?

Oh come on, lets not get too out of hand here, your a matured person who has a sense over whats right and wrong. But do little kids know whats right and wrong? Yea, if they watched law and order, they would think the guy is soooo cool and they would want to become a lawyer or an investigator when they grow up. And if they watch queer eye for the strait guy... well you get the point. YES, MEDIA DOES EFFECT PEOPLE. Maybe not matured people, or people who know right from wrong, but the new generation. Remember Columbine...

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A perfect example of this is... Grand Theft Auto for PS2. Holy shit did that cause a lot of ruccus with parents, and lo and behold, some dumb shit kids try to be like it and parents start blaming the creators, fuck the parents, obviously they didnt do much to prevent this, so I dont know why they are not blaming themselves. jesus fucking christ.... I hate people sometimes.    

Exactly. Parents should have more control over the television, keeping their kids away from those shows like porno or homosexual influencing shows (sorry if i demonstrate on homosexual people too much). But how many familys pay that extra 5$ for that T.V. remote lock, or spend that extra 10 min. Disconnecting the T.V. when their not home and reconnecting it when they get back? Probably not that many.



Everything that happens in america effect the new generation. People complain and complain about media destroying their childrens lives, but is the media really to blame? Or is it those suck ass parents who could really give a shit what happens to their kid, until that kid brings a gun to school, affecting even the most innocent of kids. Sorry if I steal this quote from "John Titor", if he even exists, but Please, please wake up. Look at the signposts around you now.
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« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2004, 03:04:21 AM »
you obviously dont understand the analogy. The point is, that you only believe what you are told. If you were raised to believe that blacks were an inferior race, as most people were at the turn of the century, then you would look down upon blacks. It is only because you have been told repeatedly that blacks are not inferior, and that you have been raised that way, that you believe blacks are equal.

You are the perfect example of a narrow minded conservative. Anything that you have not been brought up to believe in is wrong.

The point is, you have to find a valid reason as to why your fears are justified.

People like you would have owned slaves 150 years ago. Obviously, you say "racism is wrong!" while using politically correct terms to keep up the dividing lines.

The point isnt whether or not you are racist or not, its the mentality. You hate a type of people because you dont understand them.

Sure, many people can now agree that slavery is bad, but only after being raised that way. It's relative to the environment. Hating the Homosexuals? Oh, so you still can hate an entire group of people.

I wouldnt be surprised if you live in the bible belt and are a member of the KKK.

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« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2004, 03:18:44 AM »
you obviously dont understand the analogy. The point is, that you only believe what you are told. If you were raised to believe that blacks were an inferior race, as most people were at the turn of the century, then you would look down upon blacks. It is only because you have been told repeatedly that blacks are not inferior, and that you have been raised that way, that you believe blacks are equal.

You are the perfect example of a narrow minded conservative. Anything that you have not been brought up to believe in is wrong.

The point is, you have to find a valid reason as to why your fears are justified.

People like you would have owned slaves 150 years ago. Obviously, you say "racism is wrong!" while using politically correct terms to keep up the dividing lines.

The point isnt whether or not you are racist or not, its the mentality. You hate a type of people because you dont understand them.

Sure, many people can now agree that slavery is bad, but only after being raised that way. It's relative to the environment. Hating the Homosexuals? Oh, so you still can hate an entire group of people.

I wouldnt be surprised if you live in the bible belt and are a member of the KKK.


Member of KKK? Bible? I Hate Both.
And you just proved my point (read the bold text). You would be prejeduce too if you were raised like that. Anyone would. You call me narrow minded? Look at what your saying. Can you back it up with fact? Im afraid not. Valid reason to why my fears are justified? Im just stating reasons why I dislike homosexuality. Im into the stuff we are alredy given, not freakish things people do to their mind and body.

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You are the perfect example of a narrow minded conservative. Anything that you have not been brought up to believe in is wrong.

No my friend, you are the one narrow minded. I bet anything i say you could twist around against me, using human rights as your weapon. I mean, Im not a full out conservative, i mean i belive in human rights, but i see everywhere everyday people use human rights as a way to make themselves right. And anything that i have not been brought up to belive in is wrong? I am just stating my own thoughts, im not some kind of extreamist. Please read your own words first before you say that. Its somthing called freedom of speech.
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« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2004, 03:26:46 AM »
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« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2004, 03:34:24 AM »
First off, Bible Belt is a portion of the midwest where christianity is wide spread. The education in the Bible Belt is poor, to say the least.

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And you just proved my point (read the bold text). You would be prejeduce too if you were raised like that

Exactly. It takes a better man to understand why he believes what he is told.

You have not given me any proof that homosexuals deserve to be prejudiced against. Again, I have a few friends that are homosexuals. I see nothing wrong with them. Please tell me what i've been missing out on.

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No my friend, you are the one narrow minded. I bet anything i say you could twist around against me, using human rights as your weapon.

Im sorry. I forgot. When was believing in human rights a bad thing? Oh yea, When people owned slaves 150 years ago.

I will finish this off by repeating a famous quote:
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Those who fail to remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

Over the last 100 years, great bounds and leaps have come forth in the fight for racial equality. There is still a gap, filled by what i consider narrow minded conservatives. Granted, they are the minority now, so I suppose one could call them liberals for thinking outside of mainstream society.

A new fight has begun between Homosexuals and Straight people. I will take solace in knowing that you will be recorded in the history books akin to those of slave owners, and racial bigots of the late 19th century.

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And anything that i have not been brought up to belive in is wrong? I am just stating my own thoughts, im not some kind of extreamist. Please read your own words first before you say that. Its somthing called freedom of speech.

Actually, no. That makes you American. America is based upon dissent, and change. However, you should always question your own thoughts as well, to see whether you are in err.

Recently, I have found myself slightly racist against Japanese. I have been raised by a family who has a predisposition against the Japanese, and my grandfather was in WWII (he fought in the Pacific arena, for the Chinese), so he is racist against Japanese. Of course, I understand that I have a slight bit of racism toward Japanese. I understand how someone can hate a kind a person without knowing who he/she really is. Of course, I am trying my best to shed this racism.

Only weak people follow what they are brought up with without questioning their ideals.

I constantly question my beliefs, and my ideals. I also question other people's beliefs and ideals. This way I can understand what others believe, and why they are right or wrong. In this case, I see no rhyme or reason as to how you can be right.

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« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2004, 03:40:08 AM »
AM I THE ONLY ONE GETTING OFF ON THE PSEUDO-INTELLECTUALISM?!?!/1/1//

Looks like i have to eat my own words...
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Psuedo intellectuals piss me off for this reason.

You spew out a lot of crap about nothing. Wow. I now know how smart you are, and i am in awe... ::)

I meet people like you all the time. They think they know the answers to everything. Hell, I used to be that way about religion. I would argue endlessly, as an enlightened 14 year old who knew how the universe worked and why modern religion is all wrong.

You know what i've learned since then? No one gives a shit, no one ever will. Spew all the crap you want, you'll just piss people off.

*case in point: no one has responded seriously to your post yet.

Hypocrisy. Another Attribute i've been trying to get rid of.

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« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2004, 03:48:08 AM »
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You have not given me any proof that homosexuals deserve to be prejudiced against

Some of the major leading STDs (like AIDs) are spread though this.



What are you saying? That strait people will make homosexual people slaves? That strait people will segregate them? I dont see your point.


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I see no rhyme or reason as to how you can be right.

Opinions arn't ment to be right. I said it before, and ill say it again. This is my opinion.

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Only weak people follow what they are brought up with without questioning their ideals.

How do you know that? It depends at what volume the idea was put when it was taught to someone else. You expect a musslum to go against their belief? Does it make them weak if they dont question it, even though their whole life was based on NOT questioning it? I wasn't raised to hate homosexuals. I just think homosexuals should not be influenced by the young generation. Thats all.

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Actually, no. That makes you American. America is based upon dissent, and change. However, you should always question your own thoughts as well, to see whether you are in err.

Dissent and change are based on freedom of speech. EVERYONE thinks the same thing, always questions stuff, but they just cant speak it, and cant say what they want to say.

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« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2004, 03:52:32 AM »
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« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2004, 03:54:31 AM »
You dont take sides, you just make an idiot of yourself.

Of course though you always make an idiot of yourself.
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« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2004, 03:59:55 AM »
YOU MADE THE SAME STATEMENT WITH TWO SENTENCES.  

ANYWAY, UNLIKE MOST PEOPLE I RESPOND TO EVERY TIME THEY SAY SOMETHING, I DOUBT YOU'LL BE THE BIGGER BOY AND WALK AWAY FIRST, SO I'M DOING IT NOW.
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« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2004, 04:02:30 AM »
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Some of the major leading STDs (like AIDs) are spread though this

prove this. From my understanding of AIDS, it originated in africa by a primate that contained a strain of HIV that morphed into AIDS. A bit like the Avian Flu virus in the East right now.

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It depends at what volume the idea was put when it was taught to someone else. You expect a musslum to go against their belief? Does it make them weak if they dont question it, even though their whole life was based on NOT questioning it?
Yes.

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Dissent and change are based on freedom of speech. EVERYONE thinks the same thing, always questions stuff, but they just cant speak it, and cant say what they want to say.
Obviously we dont think the same way. And we are speaking about it.


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What are you saying? That strait people will make homosexual people slaves? That strait people will segregate them? I dont see your point.
You tell me. Read the news and tell me about the recent debate over the laws concerning the marriage of gays.

I am just curious. What level education are you? I would just like to know, because in general, the more uneducated, the more narrow minded. I just want to know whether you are willing to think outside of the box. If you arent, then i've wasted my breath.


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« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2004, 04:07:04 AM »
I am just curious. What level education are you? I would just like to know, because in general, the more uneducated, the more narrow minded. I just want to know whether you are willing to think outside of the box. If you arent, then i've wasted my breath.

THAT'S A LOW BLOW.  IT SAYS CLEARLY IN HIS PROFILE THAT HE'S 14, SO HE'S NOT MORE THAN A FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL IF THAT.  THE GAME IS OVER AND YOU KILLED IT!!!1
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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2004, 04:23:25 AM »
Laurana, I see your point. But I see prejudice against homosexuality different from prejudice against blacks. Being homosexual is not natural. You are not born liking the same sex. Yea, i know, prejudice is prejudice, but everyones entitled to their opinion, right?



HOLY FUCK!!! that's great, that's exactly what they said about black people, they arn't natural, they are born differnt, and yes, everyone is entitled on your opinion but do you realize even the ignorants opinion caused hundreds of thousand of slaves to be used, abused, and generally fucked with, even if I seem psuedo intellectual, Let it be, i'm going to say that just because you are a bigot, that we should be able to cage you, and watch you jump, being a bigot makes you differnt, you're not born with it, it's not natural, it's an occurance because somone told you something, people influenced you, you developed your opinion based on whats around you.


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Exactly. Parents should have more control over the television, keeping their kids away from those shows like porno or homosexual influencing shows (sorry if i demonstrate on homosexual people too much). But how many familys pay that extra 5$ for that T.V. remote lock, or spend that extra 10 min. Disconnecting the T.V. when their not home and reconnecting it when they get back? Probably not that many.



Everything that happens in america effect the new generation. People complain and complain about media destroying their childrens lives, but is the media really to blame? Or is it those suck ass parents who could really give a shit what happens to their kid, until that kid brings a gun to school, affecting even the most innocent of kids. Sorry if I steal this quote from "John Titor", if he even exists, but Please, please wake up. Look at the signposts around you now


 


no, you don't need to do this, you need to teach your kids how to develope a sense of right and wrong, not just keep wrong from them, but people need to also bring back the idea parents are in control, now kids do what they want, no respect for an elders opinion, and people make this ok, So a parent CANNOT control their child. no one person is blamed, it takes a village to raise a child.






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No...I have to tell you, saying narrow minded makes you narrow minded, just because someone doesn't accept your view doesn't make them a narrow minded person, that's just an excuse to make people accept your own view.


You can say waht you want, you can do what you want, just don't stop people from doing what they want, you may not agree with it but they don't force it on you, Christians force themselves on you, they force themselves trying to shut down eminem, they force themselves on marlyn manison, They want "Free speech" for the bible, but they don't want free speech for anyone else.

do as they do to you, gays don't protest you going out with a woman.

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Affirmitive action is hurting white people now, give up on it, not worth it.



My best friend is a lesbian, online only though, but she is the closest person to me, one of my online friends is bi, i've had a few gay friends, they're cool, nothing differnt about them, They just would hit me if givin the chance, i'm ok with that, it only increases my confidence considering I can have both sexes after me.

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« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2004, 04:46:00 AM »
Well I haven't really had a gay friend but their were some that let's say didn't want to admit their gay.
One friend was being to friendly with me holding his arm around me but me being straight I told him what the fuck was his problem that I wasn't gay and he said "oh I'm just being friendly" yeah sure. ::)

In the school I went to a gay person would be redicule for being gay. Even if my friend admited he was gay I still would have been his friend but of corse I will tell him to never try to hit on me.

There's one thing for sure seeing two woman kiss is a beautiful thing and some how makes my pants tighter. ;D

But seeing two man kiss let's just say I would rather get beat up rather than see a man kiss for more than 5 secs because it ain't a pretty site for me. :-X

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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2004, 04:53:52 AM »
But seeing two man kiss let's just say I would rather get beat up rather than see a man kiss for more than 5 secs because it ain't a pretty site for me. :-X

Well ask lady and she might say the exact opposite  8)