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half breeds
« on: June 20, 2004, 09:49:48 AM »
i'm not the biggest anime/manga fanboy, but i've notcied in such series like urotsukidoji, vampire hunter d, la blue girl and ever dragonball, that half breeds are usually much more effective warriors than humans and full demons themselves.

as for Guts, as far as we know he's merely human. but there's a few things that make me wonder if he's a half-breed of some sort. no one knows who his father is, though they found him as in infant under his mother's corpse. humans and demons alike are shocked by his strength and his abillity not only to be able to lift the dragonslayer but to swing it so incredibly fast and accurately. and his abillity to withstand all that abuse and still be able to hold his own. not to mention sometimes when you get a close up of his teeth it almost looks like he has fangs of some sort. any thoughts?

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2004, 06:46:06 PM »
I always assumed he was some kind of half-giant, or a special breed of Man, a la Tolkien.

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2004, 07:08:22 PM »
hmm. i dont know about half-giant. he's a big guy, but i dont think he's supposed to be that big. pippin towers over him, but who knows. pippin may be a giant too. i was thinking a beast of sorts because of the fangs. kinda like amano jyaku from urotsukidoji.

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2004, 08:59:25 PM »
He is a branded one...
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Re:half breeds
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2004, 09:49:08 PM »
And it is still a comic book!

Hey, look at the Tapasa, they can smash an armor... their mother must have been raped by a huge Golem, right?
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Re:half breeds
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2004, 09:56:44 PM »
and four times, too!

damn, that was one HORNY piece of rock! :D

anyhow, it's nice to explore the possibilities...sure, it's a comic, but let's not allow that to explain away EVERYTHING.
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Re:half breeds
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2004, 11:45:55 PM »
Well half breeds are usually stronger because they are usually the Hero. Its the only fitting role for the main charecter of the story. He can't be full human, or else he would be lameass and any old human can do such cool stuff, and if he is full demon i guess he would be cool but he probably would be like any other old demon, scrap leftovers for the hero. Its like this thing "Strength of a demon but compassion of a human" kind of thing.
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Re:half breeds
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2004, 09:31:18 AM »
His parental backround will probably be a mystery through the whole story, but I do and always will assume he has some pretty good genetic patterns in his body to survive what he does even in a fiction comic. I don't believe anything about a half breed but that concept of his physical well being would have to be true.

I mean he is clearly known for his will power in the series to survive what he has up until now but that doesn't change needing to have a far above average natural strength and ability to survive what he has and continue to in the future.
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Re:half breeds
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2004, 05:16:43 AM »
hm, speaking of tolkien, you think miura decided to add subspecies of Men in the Berserk Universe...and not be obvious about it?

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2004, 08:22:08 AM »
Dwarfes made the Berserker armor so I suppose there were Dwarfes around sometime, they still might be around somewhere like the Elfs. An Grundbel is a Giant, if he and his men are an own type of subrace....I don't know, maybe, I have no time to think about this 'cause I'm at school right now.  :-\

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2004, 09:03:20 AM »
An Grundbel is a Giant, if he and his men are an own type of subrace....I don't know, maybe
Grunbeld is an apostle. If you look at most of the apostles we have seen, even in their "human" forms they don't look that human!? So I think before joining the Dark Side, we can't know whether he was that tall or not?! That's why I don't think he is a Giant or something from another species than the average human in BERSERK. :-\
And Guts is a normal human, too. He is just used to fight since he is a child, that's the only thing he's been doing and training for, that's why he is so strong.

damn, that was one HORNY piece of rock! :D
And by the way, a Golem is supposed to be made of clay.

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2004, 09:48:04 AM »
And by the way, a Golem is supposed to be made of clay.

Is it? i cant see any dick in the golems created by Flora


i was thinking a beast of sorts because of the fangs.

The fangs i speculate is due to the hatred and anger in him which eventually lead to the evolvement of the Beast...



True enough, nobody know who is the hell is his father, but then Miura say he is staying human... From this statement i can derive he is once human, whether we can consider him as one now is up to u ppl to debate



And yes! It would be interesting if his father is an apostle or even Zodd himself  :D

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2004, 09:49:44 AM »
Grunbeld is an apostle. If you look at most of the apostles we have seen, even in their "human" forms they don't look that human!? So I think before joining the Dark Side, we can't know whether he was that tall or not?! That's why I don't think he is a Giant or something from another species than the average human in BERSERK.

i'm glad you brought that up. remember when wyald, who was a filthy rapist/mysoginist, was killed and he changed back to his human form? he looked like a pathetic old man. he probably wasnt very slick with the ladies and didnt have enough power to be able to force himself on them. perhaps grunbeld was extremely small and was ashamed of it before he became an apostle. anyhoo, grunbeld is definetly not a giant because of his racial backround, and we havent seen any humaniod giants yet, so i kinda doubt they even exsist in the world of berserk. at least not anymore.

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2004, 09:51:42 AM »
and we havent seen any humaniod giants yet,


The troop lead by him are all Giants...
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Re:half breeds
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2004, 10:41:04 AM »
The troop lead by him are all Giants...
Yeah, but we also can assume that they are not exactly humans anymore. In fact they are apostles if I'm not wrong...
And imho, skeletonmf was talking about Giants as another species, different from the Human one... But maybe you are saying that they were Giants before becoming apostles, that's possible... If you say so...


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And by the way, a Golem is supposed to be made of clay.
Is it? i cant see any dick in the golems created by Flora
What?!?
Before looking for dicks on Flora's Golems, you'd better look for the word "clay" on a dictionnary. Or maybe for the word "dick", I don't know...

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2004, 11:16:52 AM »
Yeah, but we also can assume that they are not exactly humans anymore. In fact they are apostles if I'm not wrong...
And imho, skeletonmf was talking about Giants as another species, different from the Human one... But maybe you are saying that they were Giants before becoming apostles, that's possible...
That's what I meant, on his first appearance, when Mule (I think it was him, but that doesn't matter anyway...) saw him, he recognized him as Grunbeld...here's the passage, it's in volume 23:

"I know Grunbeld!
He's the giant that protected a small country to the North from invasion by the armies of Great Chuda for ten years with only three thousand men. Like all people from the north, he has bright red hair, and between that and the way he mows down enemies they called him the "Fire Dragon."
But I'm sure I heard news of his death in battle..."

This is an excerpt from eirais Translation, which can be found on usenet...I'll remove it immediately if he want's me to.

I don't think that Mule is referring to 'real' giants there (The German translation say's "Hühne(nhaft)" which doesn't mean 'real' giants, it's referring to very tall/strong men), but on that panel there you see Grunbeld and to his feet dead enemies, in comparance with even his legs, they're tiny, so he already was pretty huge when he was a human. But if all those "people from the north" are that big, can you say that they are a human subrace already?

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2004, 11:33:57 AM »
I don't think that Mule is referring to 'real' giants there (The German translation say's "Hühne(nhaft)" which doesn't mean 'real' giants, it's referring to very tall/strong men), but on that panel there you see Grunbeld and to his feet dead enemies, in comparance with even his legs, they're tiny, so he already was pretty huge when he was a human. But if all those "people from the north" are that big, can you say that they are a human subrace already?

Yes, me too, I think he may have been very tall, even as a Human, but not a "Giant".
I mean, for example, people from Holland are said to be taller than people from Portugal, but I guess they both are humans, they don't belong to two different subraces!? Pippin, too, was pretty tall, but I never saw him as a person from another species as Guts, Griffith, or Casca. :-\
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Re:half breeds
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2004, 12:34:10 PM »
Yeah, but we also can assume that they are not Before looking for dicks on Flora's Golems, you'd better look for the word "clay" on a dictionnary. Or maybe for the word "dick", I don't know...


Wasnt Flora ones clay golem?  ::)
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Re:half breeds
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2004, 01:16:23 PM »
i still think Guts is a beast of sorts. his inner demon is a beast.makes a little more sense than a giant though. he really isnt that big.

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2004, 12:00:59 AM »

I mean, for example, people from Holland are said to be taller than people from Portugal, but I guess they both are humans, they don't belong to two different subraces!?

I mean FANTASY subraces, not real life nationalities. like Numenoreans, High Men, the Commom Man, Elves, wood elves, or dark elves  What's supposed to set each of them apart are some rather uncommon and CONSIDERABLE differences in their traits. Traits such as long life, great natural strength or  high magical affinity.
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Re:half breeds
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2004, 05:48:33 AM »
Wow. All of this from his physical ability and his fangs. Well, there are humans with real natural fangs, it's rare but it happens like humans with tails (stubs). As for his physical prowess, wasn't he trained well and early, hasn't he gathered lots of experience, and he does have business to take care does he not?

Anyway it's more interesting with him being human and still taking on the odds he's against. Now if he was to fight some half-breeds that would be something else. Maybe some half-dwarves or half-apostles (if such a thing were possible).
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Re:half breeds
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2004, 07:01:08 AM »
Maybe some half-dwarves or half-apostles (if such a thing were possible).

There had been half crocodile and elephant
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Re:half breeds
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2004, 07:23:09 AM »
What's supposed to set each of them apart are some rather uncommon and CONSIDERABLE differences in their traits. Traits such as long life, great natural strength or  high magical affinity.
Yeah, all such things we haven't seen clearly said in more than 27 Volumes, so why would we assume that there are different fantasy-style human subraces in the BERSERK universe?! There are humans, who become apostles, and then their physical traits are changed to give them "long life, great natural strength or  high magical affinity", but as humans, I think they were all the same as any human. :-\
And that the only differences between the different human groups in BERSERK are the same as in real life: some (in the North) are taller, some have darker skins,...

There had been half crocodile and elephant
I'm not a specialist in magic, but for what I understood, it was full-time crocodiles and elephants. They were turned to Familiars by a wizard (Who might he be? :-\), but they were still crocodiles and elephants, acting like soldiers.

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2004, 11:56:44 AM »
(Who might he be? :-\)
Starts with "G" ends with "anishka".  ;)

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Re:half breeds
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2004, 01:24:42 PM »
Starts with "G" ends with "anishka".  ;)

Mmmmhhhh... maybe... ;D