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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #100 on: October 12, 2004, 04:40:41 PM »
She did spend two years of her life in a cave, you know.

During the night, not the day  :P

Anyway I believe the guy was joking
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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #101 on: October 12, 2004, 08:30:50 PM »
Here Casca is not tanned (and definitely not Kushan likeá :P )

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #102 on: October 12, 2004, 08:50:33 PM »
Here Casca is not tanned (and definitely not Kushan likeá :P )

That proves nothing, at all, about anything.

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #103 on: October 12, 2004, 11:22:59 PM »
You know, it's possible that Casca just has dark skin and there is no Kushan connection.  It's quite possible those kids resembled her because there are only so many ways a person can draw dark skin and black hair in black and white.  And even if for some reason she does have Kushan in her background, it really wouldn't have much bearing on the story in the present most likely.   
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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #104 on: October 13, 2004, 12:14:17 AM »
You know, it's possible that Casca just has dark skin and there is no Kushan connection.á It's quite possible those kids resembled her because there are only so many ways a person can draw dark skin and black hair in black and white.á And even if for some reason she does have Kushan in her background, it really wouldn't have much bearing on the story in the present most likely.

You don't think that being in a city that hangs Kushans, even their slaves, wouldn't have much bearing on the story if Casca is Kushan?

Or at least looks like one. ;D

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #105 on: October 13, 2004, 03:36:34 AM »
hangs Kushans, even their slaves, wouldn't have much bearing on the story if Casca is Kushan?

Or at least looks like one. ;D


Wouldnt that be more interesting...? The story would evolved more if Casca was indeed a Kushan...


I am quite sure Miura will like to expand the part on that
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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #106 on: October 13, 2004, 10:29:06 AM »



Wouldnt that be more interesting...? The story would evolved more if Casca was indeed a Kushan...


I am quite sure Miura will like to expand the part on that

yeah and some how she is their long lost queen and she becomes queen and Guts becomes King and they all live happily ever after
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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #107 on: October 13, 2004, 01:24:43 PM »


You don't think that being in a city that hangs Kushans, even their slaves, wouldn't have much bearing on the story if Casca is Kushan?

Or at least looks like one. ;D

Well, actually I did mention that scenario earlier in the thread.  ;)

I noticed the childrens' resemblance to Casca as well.  Although I'm not sure her origins would have that much significance.  It possibly could get her into trouble in Vritanis if she's mistaken for a Kushan though.


What I meant this time around was this big debate about Casca's past all of a sudden.  Like if she has Kushan in her background, she's automatically going to have some mystical deep dark secret from her past that will turn the story in a completely new direction.  All she would need is to be Ganishka's daughter or something stupid like that.
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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #108 on: October 13, 2004, 05:05:41 PM »
All she would need is to be Ganishka's daughter or something stupid like that.

I was thinking more like he would be hot to marry her. "Look, that's the most beautiful pure-blooded Kushan woman I've ever seen!!"

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #109 on: October 13, 2004, 05:32:42 PM »
I guess Guts would have to throw on the Beast armor and cut him in half, in like two shots. That would be pretty sweet.

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #110 on: October 13, 2004, 06:52:24 PM »
maybe Casca is not kushan, but i think Miura is trying to explictly hint that she is in this chapter if he has not done so already. that is of course if Casca is in fact kushan.

the reaosn why i think she's not got dark skin because she's tanned is because her skin colour doesn't really change.

and tan means getting tanned most on part of your body that gets the most sun, hence you will see tan marks when she's naked, which you don't (i.e. when she was in the cave unconscious with Guts).

i if she "just have dark skin" that would mean that she got it from somehwere, if not tanning, then it's her genes, which are obviously kushan in some respect.

the only reason she won't be kushan is if there's another race that looks like the kushans in terms of skin colour.

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #111 on: October 13, 2004, 07:50:47 PM »
maybe Casca is not kushan, but i think Miura is trying to explictly hint that she is in this chapter if he has not done so already. that is of course if Casca is in fact kushan.


And how he would do that, if I can be so bold to ask? Casca is not even in the chapter, and there is not a hint referying to her in the whole chap. 246 . The only thing that you saw (and started all thýs) was some dark skinned kids escaping from slavers ( we are not even sure that they are Kushans and not some other dark skinned race. In fact they are depicted darker than the kushans that we saw until today)
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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #112 on: October 14, 2004, 03:54:11 AM »

And how he would do that, if I can be so bold to ask? Casca is not even in the chapter, and there is not a hint referying to her in the whole chap. 246 . The only thing that you saw (and started all thýs) was some dark skinned kids escaping from slavers ( we are not even sure that they are Kushans and not some other dark skinned race. In fact they are depicted darker than the kushans that we saw until today)

The man makes a point....
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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #113 on: October 14, 2004, 04:03:04 AM »
The man makes a point....

Yeah, I especially liked the ink darkness argument which contradicts any standard of logic he had established... ::)

Everyone, stop posting meaningless, invalid bullshit about Casca's race like how dark the ink is and what color she is on statues, ugh. As I've already said, there's no argument to be made or any debate to be won here. She's Kushan or she's not, there's no definitive proof either way; she could be an alien or robot too. If Miura cared, he'd inform us either way, but until Miura indicates that yes, she certainly is Kushan, then we shouldn't think of her as such since there was never any mention of it. It's just an interesting possibility until it becomes something more. Everybody can stop being stupid now... no, that's asking too much, just shut-up. Please.

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #114 on: October 14, 2004, 06:38:46 AM »
An interesting possibility ? ::) Yeah, it'd add so much depht to the story.

We did see part of her childhood and hometown anyway, 20 volumes ago, and it was all purely Midlandish as mahlernut already said.

Furthermore, are you people talking about the Kushan Empire ? If so, why are you speaking of it like if it was a specific "race" or something like that ?

As far as I can remember, the Kushans are the people ruled by Ganishka, not some ethnic group made of every dark skinned character in Berserk... Were Donovan and Boscogne Kushan too ?1!1?!

Everyone, stop posting meaningless, invalid bullshit about Casca's race

I second that.

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #115 on: October 14, 2004, 02:21:09 PM »

And how he would do that, if I can be so bold to ask? Casca is not even in the chapter, and there is not a hint referying to her in the whole chap. 246 . The only thing that you saw (and started all thýs) was some dark skinned kids escaping from slavers ( we are not even sure that they are Kushans and not some other dark skinned race. In fact they are depicted darker than the kushans that we saw until today)

we are not sure, hence why i said hint, which means something that you are not sure about but gives you a feeling about something.

maybe there isn't much difference if she is kushan or not, but she is darker than others for a reason, maybe it was just variety, i mean griffth was white: he's now the white hawk.falcon.

Guts had back hair, he is known as the black swords man (also because of his cape), he is the black hawk/falcon.

colour in art forms do have a lot of connotation attached with them, even more so in something such as manga which is balck and white.

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #116 on: October 14, 2004, 02:46:27 PM »
Guts had back hair, he is known as the black swords man (also because of his cape), he is the black hawk/falcon.

No, Guts isn't the Hawk of Darkness. Griffith is.

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #117 on: October 14, 2004, 03:58:36 PM »


No, Guts isn't the Hawk of Darkness. Griffith is.

that isn't stated anywhere in the manga, for the people in the berserk world, griffith is the good guy, flacon of light or something (im bad with names). and Guts is the bad guy.

but obviously the audiences knows better, but who ends up as the good/bad guy is still unclear.

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #118 on: October 14, 2004, 04:25:46 PM »
that isn't stated anywhere in the manga, for the people in the berserk world, griffith is the good guy, flacon of light or something (im bad with names). and Guts is the bad guy.

but obviously the audiences knows better, but who ends up as the good/bad guy is still unclear.

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #119 on: October 14, 2004, 04:26:29 PM »
that isn't stated anywhere in the manga, for the people in the berserk world, griffith is the good guy, flacon of light or something (im bad with names). and Guts is the bad guy.

It is stated in the manga, by Schierke for instance, and since the ones that mistook Guts for the Hawk of Darkness where the H.I.C.K. and that Farnese and Serpico have been travelling with him for a while now, I don't think it's a problem anymore...

I'd also add that "the people in the Berserk world" don't see Guts as the bad guy, because they just don't know about him (why would they ?).
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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #120 on: October 14, 2004, 04:44:53 PM »
aazealh i must have missed that, but that is still the minority belief.

on your point about the people of berserk's world not seeing Guts as the bad guy because they just don't know him, well for them and for us, it's a matter of pre judging people all the time, if they came and sleashedpeople, people will immediatly think he's the bad guy. so regardless of whether they know him or not, they still see him as a bad person until they get to know him. and even then, am not sure if Guts is going to remind "on the light side" as the armour is consuming him bit by bit.

which is why i have doubts that Guts will end up "saving the day" and get rid of griffth from the world, because after all, i don't think griffith is bad, he's just ignorant and egocentric, which is different from being bad/evil.

and until Guts convince people he's the good person, he's fighting a losing battle, and i don't think that skullknight and he's companions will help that much in terms of convincing people.

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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #121 on: October 14, 2004, 04:47:57 PM »


Yeah, I especially liked the ink darkness argument which contradicts any standard of logic he had established... ::)


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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #122 on: October 14, 2004, 05:39:02 PM »
aazealh i must have missed that

I think that there's a lot of things you missed actually.

And when I said that people don't know Guts, I meant that they haven't heard of him, there aren't "Wanted" placards of his face in every town...

Now, we're off-topic, so let's end this discussion here, there are older threads on the BBS that contain all the info you need on the subject.
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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #123 on: October 14, 2004, 06:08:24 PM »
According to Sonja the hawk of darkness seems to be Ganishka...at least the Kushans he commands resemble black crows
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Re: Episode 246
« Reply #124 on: October 14, 2004, 08:32:56 PM »
The question is: will Schierke win or it will be the pirates that will get the upper hand? In the last case I foresee a long chase on the sea...
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