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The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« on: July 13, 2005, 03:29:41 AM »
I don't get it.

Guts often strikes me as a hardened loner who'd rather stay the hell away from crowds and not be too sad when companions leave on their merry path, and yet here he is going out of his way to get Farnese back from the Vandimion manor, going as far as fighting Serpico to get to her.

Is it because he smelled the aristocratic bullshit from a mile away and just thought and couldn't stand it, or that he's recovered some of his lost humanity, so much that he can't let friends go anymore?

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2005, 12:02:30 PM »
he's recovered some of his lost humanity, so much that he can't let friends go anymore?

That's it, and it's not like there hasn't been any foreshadowing or anything... He's been changing for a while now. I think that scene sums it up pretty well:




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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2005, 11:56:57 PM »
I wonder if Guts will ever love again. The closest he's gotten to getting some action in a while was Farnese getting on top of him while being possesed and Slan giving him a big o' kiss.

Poor boy must be sexually frustrated.

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2005, 04:16:37 AM »
Not really. The first thing we're treated to in book 1 was Guts having his way with a demon lady. Thats gotta count for something.
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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2005, 11:52:18 AM »
I wonder if Guts will ever love again.

He still loves Casca... Despite not getting "action".

The first thing we're treated to in book 1 was Guts having his way with a demon lady. Thats gotta count for something.

I'm not sure what it's got to count for, really. I doubt he was enjoying himself a lot while waiting for the right moment to blow up the monster's head, plus his brand must have been hurting quite a bit.

It's not like Guts is a teenager whose only goal in life is to have sex anyway... His unsatisfied desire for Casca frustrates him, but that didn't change his feelings for her, it just gave the Beast another thing to tease him about. :beast:

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2005, 12:29:29 PM »
It's not like Guts is a teenager whose only goal in life is to have sex anyway... His unsatisfied desire for Casca frustrates him, but that didn't change his feelings for her, it just gave the Beast another thing to tease him about. :beast:
I think it's pretty clear that Guts has some repressed sexual urges.  Despite not being a "horny teenager", he's twice in the past been prone to violent sexual outbursts.  Not that I blame the big galoot, or am labeling him a rapist.  He's just had a pretty lousy lot in love.  As for how this relates to Farnese? Well, it doesn't does it?  He looked pretty grateful for the free lap dance in volume 17, to me.

Anyway, in response to Ignus Dei's inititial question, Guts needs his new friends, and he knows it; now more than ever.
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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2005, 01:15:14 PM »
I think it's pretty clear that Guts has some repressed sexual urges.

That's what I was saying, yeah.

Despite not being a "horny teenager", he's twice in the past been prone to violent sexual outbursts.

If we only consider the times where he acted upon sexual frustration, it's once, when he bit her breast in volume 23, episode 190 (The Beast Hungers). I think my Beast commentary was explicit enough. :beast:

As for how this relates to Farnese? Well, it doesn't does it?  He looked pretty grateful for the free lap dance in volume 17, to me.

Well not to me, and you're going to have a hard time showing me where he looked grateful... I think his repressed urges really started manifesting themselves after he freed Casca and started travelling with her, before that he was mostly "obnubilated" by his revenge.

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2005, 06:11:52 PM »
I agree with you guys that he is just regaining his humanity and capacity for friendship. He has made it pretty clear he doesnt want to abandon people anymore.

Aside from that primary reason there is the practical reasons that Farnese is a good babysitter to Casca, and Serpico is excellent backup in battle, particularly when Guts is too busy to keep his eyes on the women.

I think Guts likes Farnese by this point. But I dont think he has ever had any real sexual interest in her at all, lapdance or not.

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2006, 07:00:54 PM »
*Lapdance or not*

Walter has a point there, you must take into context that Guts is MALE thus being that close to a woman after a long time must count for something, whether or not "he" wanted it with his surface feelings or his subconscious, he did "want it", though perhaps for it to mean something instead.
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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2006, 03:59:33 AM »

Guts often strikes me as a hardened loner who'd rather stay the hell away from crowds

In a way you are right if Casca still trusts him he wouldn't have have companions tag-along with him. He also mentions in volume 23 that if he was by himself he wouldn't let them come with with him. But he needs them especially Farnese to look after Casca.

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2006, 08:28:44 AM »
He still loves Casca... Despite not getting "action".
Exactly. I don't understand why some people can't seem to fathom love without sex. I think Guts misses having Casca "the person" more than the physical component of their relationship.

I'm not sure what it's got to count for, really. I doubt he was enjoying himself a lot while waiting for the right moment to blow up the monster's head, plus his brand must have been hurting quite a bit.

Yeah, I don't think sexual pleasure had anything to do with that encounter. Guts most likely knew of that particular Apostle's propensity for using sex as snare and exploited it. Thus minimizing the risk of physical injury to himself, while greatly increasing his chances of a quick and sure kill. Plus, it seems like there is a certain satisfaction one would derive from beating such a creature at their own sadistic game. But that's just me reading into that scene.

It's not like Guts is a teenager whose only goal in life is to have sex anyway...

Yeah, pretty far from it actually.

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2006, 04:21:20 PM »
I think my favorite times between Guts and Farnese is when she was back with the Hicks and how every encounter Guts would just turn her world upside to what is right and wrong. And i am just amazed that Guts very presence brings change in people. Almost like Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series, Guts is like a Tav'ern someone who can influence fate in his own making.  I look forward to Farnese's development most of all because i wonder what she will receive from being Guts disciple since it was almost like her hardrive was repartition with a new O/S. She's a completely different person and i just find that amazing. I would like to see more especially her training in magic. When you think about it she will get to be more in touch with a god then last time. lol

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2007, 06:16:12 AM »
i know this thread is old, gonna apologize upfront -

you know, considering Guts' soft spot for Farnese, her obsession with him, and what SK said about Casca's mental fix (how she might not want what Guts wants) - I think it's plausible to predict Guts and Farnese becoming a couple.  Am I completely off base here?

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2007, 08:09:03 AM »
Am I completely off base here?

I'm afraid so. I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "Guts' soft spot for Farnese", but she's clearly not the one he loves. In fact I could even argue that he's closer to Schierke (and obviously not in a romantic way, as far as he's concerned). I think Roderick is going to be the one for Farnese, as many things have hinted so far in the story.

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2007, 06:59:43 PM »

you know, considering Guts' soft spot for Farnese, her obsession with him, and what SK said about Casca's mental fix (how she might not want what Guts wants) - I think it's plausible to predict Guts and Farnese becoming a couple.  Am I completely off base here?


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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2007, 10:27:49 PM »
I guess I'm the odd one out here, haha.  You guys are probably right.  A couple things, though - Personally, I see the relationship between Schierke and Guts developing into a father/daughter type (I think Isidro and Schierke are gonna be a couple); and also, I would be suprised to see Farnese settle for Roderick.

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2007, 01:14:48 AM »
I would be suprised to see Farnese settle for Roderick.

I would be surprised if Farnese Didn't fall for Roderick. Their relationship is still in development but I'm sure once we get an update on Casca's condition we'll get a glimpse on how everything is gonna play out.

On a side note, are Serpico and Farnese actually related by blood or was that just speculation?

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2007, 05:02:41 AM »
On a side note, are Serpico and Farnese actually related by blood or was that just speculation?

They share the same father.
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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2007, 08:26:37 AM »
A couple things, though - Personally, I see the relationship between Schierke and Guts developing into a father/daughter type (I think Isidro and Schierke are gonna be a couple)

I'd say "big brother/little sister" personally. And welcome to the Isidro+Schierke club! :guts:

I would be suprised to see Farnese settle for Roderick.

Prepare to be surprised then. :carcus:

On a side note, are Serpico and Farnese actually related by blood or was that just speculation?

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2007, 10:22:11 AM »
Prepare to be surprised then. :carcus:

I thinking Puck will end up with all of the ladies by story's end and thus will start the Berserk harem spin off - with hilarious consequences.

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2007, 07:37:17 AM »
Hmm don't see that relationship going anywhere with Guts still occupied with Casca. Although I do think  it will be a while if it does happen for Farnese to get with Roderick. The fact is both Guts and Farnese are obsessed with different people. Schierke and Isidro is a fairly straightforward relationship for later on and Guts and Schierke share a bond which isn't love related although Schierke is also fascinated by Guts much like Farnese.
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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2007, 06:38:28 PM »
Roderick is going to snag Farnese <3 sry.

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2007, 07:12:12 PM »
              Since we are talking about Farnese. Who is Guts to her? Is he a friend, a savior figure, or idol? I am not really sure which one.
               

             

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Re: The Guts/Farnese relationship thread.
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2007, 07:29:32 PM »
Since we are talking about Farnese. Who is Guts to her? Is he a friend, a savior figure, or idol? I am not really sure which one.

A bit of all that at once, and you can add "impossible romantic interest" to the list.