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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2005, 11:19:38 PM »
Seriously thoough, couldnt you see this being useful and not in the least superfluous, especially when Guts is wearing the Berserk armor?

I don't think it's likely to happen, honestly.

He has tried to bind the sword to him on two occasions

That was because he couldn't hold it properly otherwise at the time.

on numerous others his loss of the sword

He usually doesn't let go of his sword very easily. I'm not sure "numerous" is the appropriate term here.

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2005, 11:24:21 PM »
Well it's all rather dubious--by virtue of being speculative. Yet, I think this nonetheless because Miura maintains that Guts will remain human. Now, "humanity" can be construed various ways, I know. Just throwing the possibility out there.
Well, what did you have in mind for the Berserk's Armor protection?


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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2005, 12:52:09 AM »
I'd like to see the DS with spikes along the side of it. Kinda like a bastard sword.

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2005, 07:06:49 AM »
Just to be nit picky, the only thing that makes a bastard sword a bastard sword is it's length.  It is halfway through a one handed sword and a two hander, and can be wielded either way.  Hence, it is the 'bastard child' of a one handed sword and a two handed sword.  Spikes have nothing to do with it.

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2005, 04:03:41 PM »
Perhap like trashcan said, a rapid reload of his cannonwould look cool, if the cannon could be upgraded in the first place...


I will be going for learning few magic tricks from King Hanafubuku, most likely those defensive kind to save himself from enemies' deadly spells. What i speculate is that he get a kinda of ward or item that permanently shield him from deadly magic, not eliminating but rather significantly reducing the effect of offensive spells.


Explosive throwing knives will be nice too  :guts:
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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2005, 05:05:34 PM »
Perhap like trashcan said, a rapid reload of his cannonwould look cool, if the cannon could be upgraded in the first place...



those defensive kind to save himself from enemies' deadly spells. What i speculate is that he get a kinda of ward or item that permanently shield him from deadly magic, not eliminating but rather significantly reducing the effect of offensive spells.

What are you talking about, Smith? Deadly spells? Sounds like you took that out of a D&D instruction booklet. :schierke:

Explosive throwing knives will be nice too

Yeah, since throwing knives and mini-grenades aren't effective on their own... :schierke:

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2005, 08:16:21 PM »
I don't think it's likely to happen, honestly.


I don't think it's likely either, but I thought it was a neat idea :guts:
Also, about "numerous times"--you're right, not the best word.

Well, what did you have in mind for the Berserk's Armor protection?


Well, I guess that the elf-king could perhaps give Guts some sort of magical salve to put on his body before donning the armor. I don't know, just a thought...it might prevent Guts from losing his senses, breaking bones, etc--hopefully, without Guts losing too much crazy fighting ability, but I guess he's have to lose a bit since the armor makes it so he can't really feel or care about the damage he's doing to his own body.
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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2005, 08:54:48 PM »
Well, I guess that the elf-king could perhaps give Guts some sort of magical salve to put on his body before donning the armor. I don't know, just a thought...it might prevent Guts from losing his senses, breaking bones, etc--hopefully, without Guts losing too much crazy fighting ability, but I guess he's have to lose a bit since the armor makes it so he can't really feel or care about the damage he's doing to his own body.

taking the "berserk" out of the "berserk armor"?  Thats no fun...



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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2005, 01:39:08 AM »


Haha... I hope you don't get mistaken Aaz, what i mean was faster reload of cannon or the capacity to store more cannon balls... Think of it as his rapid crossbow, conventional one can only hitch one bolt and shoot one at a time, his one can pack a whole dozen (or even more, never count how much) into it and shoot it like a machine gun... So if his crossbow work, why not his cannon?


Cmon he is facing stronger enemies now, he cant be always getting himeself engulf by the beast to defeat his enemies

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2005, 12:00:22 PM »
Haha... I hope you don't get mistaken Aaz, what i mean was faster reload of cannon or the capacity to store more cannon balls... Think of it as his rapid crossbow

Yeah, well I think my example above is suitable.

So if his crossbow work, why not his cannon?

Why not indeed! I still think my example isn't far-fetched though, maybe his cannon ammunition will become plasma in Elfhelm? More effective against his enemies, and he wouldn't need to get close to them anymore... Less danger too.

Cmon he is facing stronger enemies now, he cant be always getting himeself engulf by the beast to defeat his enemies

Right, he'd better get his arm replaced by a battery of SAM (Now what you say, Rochine?!), hell I'm surprised he didn't get one already. What is Miura thinking?



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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2005, 01:07:49 PM »
Well, Guts is good as he is. :D
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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2005, 09:59:58 PM »
The elf king restoring his arm? No way. Elves can heal wounds, not just make limbs pop back.

And you know this for sure how? :troll:

Just saying... the Elf King may have a few things under his sleeve!

but as for a new weapon? Hmmmm...... I dont really see a use for a new weapon unless a situation comes that cannot be defeated by normal means, and by normal means I mean cant be cut by Guts as he goes into a fit of retard rage and going into "beast" mode and chopping the fucker in half.

Although they have aid with magic from Schierke and Serpico's magic feather of doom.

So they should be good.

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2005, 06:56:48 AM »
He could always get the Dragon Slayer turned into a 'gunblade.'  That way, he could cut stuff in half, and then it would EXPLODE!  :troll:

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2005, 10:26:23 PM »
this reminds me to the Guts needs a Steed thread

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2005, 01:05:46 PM »
I think Guts needs is a healing factor like Wolverine or better yet a special enchantment from his missing eye that could kill a member of the God hand (like a last resort weapon) but hey having these powers might take away Guts specialty for being human.

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2005, 01:16:54 PM »
I think Guts needs is a healing factor like Wolverine or better yet a special enchantment from his missing eye that could kill a member of the God hand (like a last resort weapon) but hey having these powers might take away Guts specialty for being human.

I think the problem is that these powers just aren't interesting at all in the context of Berserk. Guts' fights have suspense because he gets wounded, and he already has elves assisting him that can heal almost everything. As for a magical eye that could kill a God Hand member, isn't that too easy and totally out of context as well? They're supposed to be superpowerful entities, but an enchantment on his missing eye would be enough? I just don't see it as pertinent from a story-telling point of view.

Like you said, the "human struggling against all odds" part of the story shouldn't be taken away by an overpowering addition to Guts' arsenal.

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2005, 01:27:27 PM »
I think the problem is that these powers just aren't interesting at all in the context of Berserk. Guts' fights have suspense because he gets wounded, and he already has elves assisting him that can heal almost everything. As for a magical eye that could kill a God Hand member, isn't that too easy and totally out of context as well? They're supposed to be superpowerful entities, but an enchantment on his missing eye would be enough? I just don't see it as pertinent from a story-telling point of view. Like you said, the human struggling against all odds part of the story shouldn't be taken away.

Well hows about the DS finally showing an undiscovered power? I was thinking something similar to Inuyasha Tetsaiga where it's capable of taking out an army  but in this case it gets its energy from feeding the blood and souls of the apostles. It was able to wound Slann or take her out temporarily and I hope Miura explores what the DS has become.

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2005, 01:36:07 PM »
Well hows about the DS finally showing an undiscovered power?  It was able to wound Slann or take her out temporarily and I hope Miura explores what the DS has become.

Rearranging your post to reply more conveniently. :guts: Actually like you said the DS already has some kind of special power. By fighting and killing apostles and specters for years with it, Guts managed to imbue it with some sort of "power" (delicate wording here), hence the aura Schierke notices around it. That's why the DS could harm Slan, because it's not a normal weapon anymore but a part of the astral world I think. Now, we still don't know much about what this aura does, we'll probably learn more once the group gets to Elfhelm.

I was thinking something similar to Inuyasha Tetsaiga where it's capable of taking out an army  but in this case it gets its energy from feeding the blood and souls of the apostles.

Haha, well that would make it a bigger version of Stormbringer (Elric's sword, novels by M. Moorcock), and from what we know it doesn't get energy from anything, like I said it's more like it was imbued by all the astral creatures Guts killed with it. Keep in mind that our informations about this are still very vague though. It also has no consciousness of its own for now, but who knows what it will become? As for taking out an army, I don't think it needs any kind of special power to do that, Guts proved it in the past. :guts:

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2005, 10:57:40 AM »
not one to replace the all-mighty dragonslayer, but perhaps some other kind of addon to his arm, or perhaps if his arm is restored by the elf king, another tool that can be used with two hands?  i was thinking something like really strong gauntlets if his arm is to be resotred, or smokescreen powder, i really haven't thought to much of it, but the idea crosses into my mind every now and then.   any ideas?  although, i personally think it would be cool, if guts could manipulate the armor more, perhaps, change its shape, of it all or add spikes to it..  i dunno, what do u think?

Why he has some of the best weapons, a giant sword, grenades, crossbow and wikid armor, don't see the point in more stuff?

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2005, 10:44:14 AM »
  Guys, of all the inane ideas so far I am surprised nobody mentioned giving Guts a doohickey magical cape. Personally I like to see Guts use that dagger he carries around a bit more, applying it in situations in which he can't swing the Dragonslayer or use it properly. He used it once back when he was fighting that Giant beetle dude in volume something I can't remember but it broke on him.

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2005, 12:46:51 PM »
He used it once back when he was fighting that Giant beetle dude in volume something I can't remember but it broke on him.

Yeah, he's used it quite a few times through the manga, but it was never really efficient in fighting situations (except to kill incubi). And it was in volume 15 against the beetle.

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2005, 01:19:00 PM »
^^It did keep Mozgus from breaking the Dragon Slayer in half though.  I think that's the most important role the daggers have played so far.
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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2005, 01:53:07 PM »
^^It did keep Mozgus from breaking the Dragon Slayer in half though.  I think that's the most important role the daggers have played so far.

EUIX was talking about his dagger though, not the throwing knives. Two different things.

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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2005, 01:55:53 PM »
Ohhhh, my bad :P Had a brain fart for a second there.  Oh well, I guess the poor old dagger is rusting its scabbard.... :judo:
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Re: A new weapon for Guts?
« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2005, 05:04:52 PM »
Yea, I think Guts has PLENTY of weapons, he pretty much has everything he needs, explosives, melee, and ranged weapons, only thing I could think of is some kind of ranged weapon for when he is the Berserker beast. (not that he needs one)