Is it just me or is Miura trying to.....

eintrigga

Today's Yamaba?
make Caska prettier and more feminine as time passes through out berserk?

Sure, the obvious thing must be the long hair, but is Miura trying to make a point that Caska (ever since she meets Gatts) is stepping out of that "tom-boy" mod? And now she is free (sort of) from Griffith, maybe that's the metaphor of her long hair?

Judeau even mentioned that she has changed. But i'm talking in terms of artwork, is because Miura is getting better at his artwork (i should mention that i thought that caska in the beginning was a guy -- if not for the racks), or is he intentionally making Caska look better?
 

Fishbomb

Fear the slightly white swordsman!
Well... she was a scrawny teen when she first entered the series, so there was no wonder she could be mistaken for a boy. She has matured, both in looks and figure since then... I mean, both Gatts and Griffith has matured as well.

I think that the long hair is simply there to make her less severe, and to mark that this Casca is a very different woman than the old, serious one. Why she looks prettier and more feminine? I wouldn't blame it on the hair, but on her smile and lack of scowling. She looks softer and more happy, and that is attractive...

Even though I really lover her tomboy scowl more... ;D
 

aelka

*gasp* you know how hot I am? *no.*
If you notice the progression of the artworks, muira had been drawing the figures so much and so fast, all the females almost looks the same except for their hairstyle now. It's not just the progression from teen to adulthood or something; The shape of Caska's face doesn't look like this before.

And you're right: do you all realize everytime Gatts or others think back on the past when Caska was raped, she is drawn to have larger and larger chests than the last drawing and thinner torsos every time?
 
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paradiselost

Guest
...I totally agree with you...Caska is totally changed now, but, would you hear something?

...I like more the actuall Caska...

8)
 

floydboy

Is There anybody out there?
Remember that two of the items that are always on the minds of men are sex and the wanting to domineer or be in control, though mostly just sex...

Still with the genius that Miura contains, I don't think he is making Casca more feminine because he is horny, though I may completely wrong.

My impressions of Casca haved changed over the course of the series though. She has matured into a beautiful woman, but still contains that struggling nature that was forged during the Band of the Hawk. Miura's artwork might just be to make Casca an even stronger force in the story, both by her looks and the reactions that cause Guts to keep fighting. He might make Guts ask how truly beautiful she is in his mind...(referencing what Olivier said earlier.....) now that she is beautiful on the outside.
 

aelka

*gasp* you know how hot I am? *no.*
ha.......oh yeah the start of the manga.

about his kids:

I don't know. How do those hentai artists look to their future wife? How do they go to a job interview?

"What's your last job experience?"
"Oh, I worked as a hentai animator for 6 years. Here's some of the artworks from my best portfolio"
*shine* :eek:
 

eintrigga

Today's Yamaba?
Remember that two of the items that are always on the minds of men are sex and the wanting to domineer or be in control, though mostly just sex...

Still with the genius that Miura contains, I don't think he is making Casca more feminine because he is horny, though I may completely wrong.

My impressions of Casca haved changed over the course of the series though.  She has matured into a beautiful woman, but still contains that struggling nature that was forged during the Band of the Hawk.  Miura's artwork might just be to make Casca an even stronger force in the story, both by her looks and the reactions that cause Guts to keep fighting.  He might make Guts ask how truly beautiful she is in his mind...(referencing what Olivier said earlier.....) now that she is beautiful on the outside.  

what i think the reason why caska looks more attractive and more womanly is that she has finally freed herself from griffith...remember that her meeting with guts has caused her to change, to care about herself, other people, and eventually her personal idenity as a herself (and a woman). if i remember correctly, her confession to guts about her responibility in vol 10 is a good indication that she is chained to griffith in such a way that she wants to break away but can't....

by becoming insane, she has blocked herself from terrors of the past, but also the binding chains of her infatuation of griffith (and his dream). therefore, she has become a new person of sort -- carefree, and more womanly (perhaps something that she really wanted, instead of being a amazonian warrior)
 

eintrigga

Today's Yamaba?
ha.......oh yeah the start of the manga.

about his kids:

I don't know.  How do those hentai artists look to their future wife?  How do they go to a job interview?

"What's your last job experience?"
"Oh, I worked as a hentai animator for 6 years.  Here's some of the artworks from my best portfolio"
*shine* :eek:

actually hentai artists are great artists, they know how to make their "illustrations" in the most attractive way possible, and i don't think any other artists spend more time studying the beauty of human anatomy (besides porno biz of course)

...not that i'm a libido driven person....call me weird, but i view hentai not in the purpose that they're supposed to be viewed, but as subjects of artistic study (therefore making sketching and notes)

...yeah, it's one thing to walk on someone, it's another thing to walk on someone who takes notes and sketches at hentai stuff....geez, it's late and i hope i haven't scared anyone...
 

floydboy

Is There anybody out there?
---starts to run away in shear panic----

j/k, but artists seems to study the human body a lot in trying to become artistic. A lot of artists have to paint people who pose in the nude. There's a lot of symmetry and uniqueness to the human body, as we all know. So I understand your point about studying figures to become artistic or to understand art better. I'm not sure about hentai as being a medium where one would want to take your kind of notes...but whatever works. Hentai people must have taken a lot of biology......

On another note, seeming that Miura has studied everything else in his life to make his art realistic, I wonder how much he studied the human form, not only in fighting, but in everyday life?....
 

Fishbomb

Fear the slightly white swordsman!
Hentai artists are great. Many times the plot and characterisation is on par with the best that normal Manga can produce. Take the stories from Silky Whip Extreme for example.

Besides, I very much doubt that the so called 'porn' industry is as underground in Japan as it is in the US. ;D
 
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paradiselost

Guest
...guys, hentai are simply fantastic, 'cause they are a form of art, at the end...something of really japanes...

;)

...however, about the topic that Miura is or isn't horny...well...he is...

R E A L L Y H O R N Y !!!!!!!

;D
 

eintrigga

Today's Yamaba?
---starts to run away in shear panic----

I'm not sure about hentai as being a medium where one would want to take your kind of notes...but whatever works.  Hentai people must have taken a lot of biology......

of course, that's not where i draw all my materials from...it's just (hehe) one aspect of the human body that is normally unaccessible for one to study...kinda like da vinci dissecting the corpse?

any how, one thing that can't be denied is that miura's work kinda sucked in the beginning....so that can also justify many a things
 

aelka

*gasp* you know how hot I am? *no.*
;D well at one of those artists that occasionally has to draw nude models, I know there are differences between one kind of hentai artists and the other kind!

What I mean by the left side is more artistic based, those actually has a story plot and reason to the whole female body abuse and incest (well, they do live out their fantasies but it still is reasonable I guess).

What I mean by the right side is, there are those people that stays cooped up, and spend their whole life drawing anime being raped, or have stuff shooting all over them just for the sake that they think "it's cool heh heh heh". And I know there are those people, that spends money starting their own domain, had been drawing hentai fan arts for years, one after another looking exactly the same fingering themselves and pissing on the floor or some stupid things like that. THOSE are the ones I am talking about. Okay I'm going overboard. :-X
 
hmm... since I am incapable of breaking down and digesting scripts because I need the mental bandwidth for my classes, can someone tell me if post-rape Casca regains any semblance of sensibility... i.e: the ability to make conversation?

but more with the flow of the conversation, if anything, I think that the hentai artist is far better in drawing bodies than the non-hentiac type artist. For the most part the hentai artist's work has tons of nudity in it.

In general though, if you compare a manga artist's earlier works to the more newer ones, you'll see the flow of improvement over time. Take Akira Toriyama for instance (yeah, I know, DBZ is evil and all but its a good example) and the character Vegeta. Over the years in the manga, he went from looking horrible to somewhat decent... (isnt a fan of Toriyama's style)
 

icefall

I need more sleep -_- zzz
Thank god, back to caska  :eek:

Anyway I always saw the miura's talent as an artist progressing... that and he still wants caska to be appealing, even if she's whacky in the head.

I mean, can you picture Guts defending a funk-ass ugly chick? Nope... I can't ;)
 
Well, it's not only Casca, but he's drawn many of the characters with much more detail. Guts looks different, it's quite noticable, and of course Casca does. Since things aren't really focusing on action as much, perhaps Miura is putting emphasis on the *characters* moreso than he is the extra blood flying out of some apostle's recently attached head ;)
And Casca is a beautiful person, it's not like all of a sudden, she's no longer good looking or something like that. The story has a certain influence on the art, such as action, or character development time, which is what this is now.
 

trapped_soul

"This is it. It's over."
miura said in an interview that he wants to inflict more female characters to make the world of berserk more "lifely".

my guess is this is also a reason, why he draws for example Caska "sexier" than in the beginning of the story.
 

maximus

Es ist einsam im Nebel zu wandern...
in vol1 of the german manga... there was a 6-page-long interview in it...
read that too!and i really liked it because miura describes his "extreme"lifestyle in a very precise way!
 
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