Episode 263

A few familliar can take out the defense of the city the CITY I don't think all the soldiers are inside the town now moreover it's a surprise attack...by night so I'm confident about that they can take out the defense of the city...and about apostles against familliars that's true that they were "easily" crushed but who care I don't said that they(familliars) would win but that such a fight could do a big fuss in the town...and we still haven't see any general of Ganishka fighting...the last fight was mere familliars agaisnt Locus alias a major apostle not fair IMO
 

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Mad Angel Loki said:
A few familliar can take out the defense of the city the CITY I don't think all the soldiers are inside the town now moreover it's a surprise attack...

Well "defensive force" is a relatively ambiguous term in the context so I'm sure you'll pardon me for assuming you meant the whole force gathered there, especially since it's what I was musing on before you posted... If you just mean the handful of guards dispatched in the town, that's not too much of a threat for them, no. Still, more than a few tigers are dead and the city isn't under control, so that's really not saying much in any case (what if Guts hadn't been there? Well he was). Besides, I was originally talking about the Kushans using troops other than familiars to completely annihilate the Holy See alliance armies given their large numbers (it even looks like it could be a pincer attack), not mere guards in the city, so what's your point exactly? That familiars are more formidable opponents than the average human soldier? That the town will be destroyed? Not really groundbreaking news.

Mad Angel Loki said:
we still haven't see any general of Ganishka fighting...

We saw Griffith killing two Kushan generals actually.

Mad Angel Loki said:
the last fight was mere familliars agaisnt Locus alias a major apostle not fair IMO

Locus mostly killed Daka in fact, and the other apostles fared well too, Volkov didn't seem to have any problem when eating them by the dozen. I think apostles are just on another level.
 
I'm talking about "supernatural" general of Ganishka I think that if he plan to defy Griffith he MUST have something more than what we have seen so far he can't be that fool ,cause, as an apostle,he must know how strong Griffith may be...so if he have something he'll show it now(stronger Familliars or something else I dunno)
About the Armies yeah I was talking about the guards in the town...sure they will need a strong army to destroy all the forces of the Holy See(obvious)but against an unorganized(because of the panic)army and the help of Pishachas(and something else for sure) I don't think that'll be a really fierce battle.
Anyway I won't debate about it longer cause I can't express what I mean correctly and it'd be stupid to argue about something when I agree with someone  :void:
(Sorry for the nightmare CnC but "..."  :SK: mwua ha ha)
 

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Mad Angel Loki said:
I'm talking about "supernatural" general of Ganishka I think that if he plan to defy Griffith he MUST have something more than what we have seen so far he can't be that fool ,cause, as an apostle,he must know how strong Griffith may be...

Well, I don't think the generals in themselves need to be "supernatural" (they're just supposed to be commanding the troops after all), but we always have Daiba as a seemingly powerful magic user that also controls an apparently large amount of troops. He's the one matching the best what you're looking for IMO. Also, I'd say Ganishka is a fool in any case to oppose Griffith, because no matter what trick he'll manage to pull out, he'll still lose in the end. Even his speech in Wyndham felt like he was aware of this, saying that god would have to pay with blood to reign, that he'd stain him, etc. It's like his goal isn't really to win, just to make a strong impression.

Mad Angel Loki said:
if he have something he'll show it now(stronger Familliars or something else I dunno)

CnC and I were discussing the possibility of Daiba having more Makara a bit earlier, and I never exclude that the Kushans might have some more aces up their sleeve anyway.

Mad Angel Loki said:
sure they will need a strong army to destroy all the forces of the Holy See(obvious)but against an unorganized(because of the panic)army and the help of Pishachas(and something else for sure) I don't think that'll be a really fierce battle.

Yeah, I don't think the Holy See alliance's armies will last very long, hence the "escape" scenario most people are thinking about for Guts and the others. Ganishka's goal is to crush Vritannis and the troops massed there as fast as possible I think, that's why I'm envisioning normal Kushan soldiers coming as reinforcement after the first strike by the familiars (that's where the general in the land could come into play).

Mad Angel Loki said:
Anyway I won't debate about it longer cause I can't express what I mean correctly and it'd be stupid to argue about something when I agree with someone :void:

Hehe ok, there's no problem though. :SK:
 
Yeah you'r right about the fact that he will lose in the end(and that it know it)...you don't forget anything don't you(I've almost forget that speech)
But with his actual forces his defeat would be so lame that he must have something else...he's the one who'll give the good role(savior)to Griffith afterall
But even considering that Griffith is always depicted as the superior being(unreachable and all)I don't see Miura giving him a weak opponent(it won't be that impressive in that case)
 

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Mad Angel Loki said:
But with his actual forces his defeat would be so lame that he must have something else...

Hmm, don't underestimate him too much even if he hasn't shown any "super weapon" yet (although the Makara...). At the time episode 230 came out the general consensus was that he'd be minced meat before long, and in the end Griffith avoided a direct confrontation (using Locus as a lure to save the princess).

His empire is said to be quite vast (meaning a lot of soldiers and resources), and while the Pishacha & Daka aren't much of a threat to apostles, I think that with enough of them (an army of ten thousands?) and if fighting under favorable conditions (Wyndham with the fog and all for example) Ganishka could prove to be quite a bother. Besides, on the sea the Kushan fleet would certainly be fearful if they used Makara against their enemies (same on the seashore to a lesser extent).

So while I'm expecting him to have other tricks and assets that we've yet to see (his own power as an apostle and a magic user not being the least), I don't think his performance until now was that bad. Plus, to come back on topic a bit, I think we might see a good example of the Kushans' power very soon. :void:

Anyway, Griffith being what he is, I'm not expecting him to take years to get Midland back, no matter what opponent he faces.
 
With the Holy See Alliance's armed forces just outside Vritannis, the Kushans' blitzkrieg shouldn't encounter that strong a resistance as they move from the port. I'd think Roderick, being part of the army sent to assist in the war, should know about the HSA being stationed on the hills/fields outside of the city. I'm sure he's sticking around to fight the Kushans (jumped in to fight a demon tiger), but what he can do all by himself is unclear. :???:

Probably be escorted with the nobles by the guards somewhere safe where he can contact armed forces. I'm assuming he'll be able to find someone who can rally armed forces to battle the Kushans' familiars (and if they have any, normal troops) and that Farnese will be with him (along with Guts and everyone) since he made it seem like he jumped in to fight the demon tigers for her sake IMO.
 
I don't say much on this forum, but I don't know if this has been said already:
The whole Ganishka and Pishacha are total rip from Hindu legends and gods
But very cleverly inserted in the stories
Some of these names are Sanskrit..Ganishka: Ganesh
anyways

I wonder if Guts will take control of the army and become a general and fight of the demons :???: that would be cool to see him lead again
 
skethee2 said:
I wonder if Guts will take control of the army and become a general and fight of the demons :???: that would be cool to see him lead again

I don't think any likely it will happen... Unless some unexpected circumstances force him to do so... I guess he will more interested in getting to Elfhelm first to cure Caska...
 

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Jhot obs said:
I'd think Roderick, being part of the army sent to assist in the war, should know about the HSA being stationed on the hills/fields outside of the city. I'm sure he's sticking around to fight the Kushans (jumped in to fight a demon tiger), but what he can do all by himself is unclear.

Yeah, although I think he'd care about his fleet before anything else, since the attack seems to be coming from the sea and all that.

Jhot obs said:
Probably be escorted with the nobles by the guards somewhere safe where he can contact armed forces. [...] Farnese will be with him (along with Guts and everyone) since he made it seem like he jumped in to fight the demon tigers for her sake IMO.

Hmm, I wonder about that. I don't think Guts and co will choose to retreat toward the armies stationed outside the city, or at least I don't hope so. I'd rather see Roderick going along with Guts and his band to the port, but there are so many possibilities anyway... We really can't be sure about anything at the moment.

skethee2 said:
I don't say much on this forum, but I don't know if this has been said already

Hey there skethee2, you should post more. :guts: About your post, it has been said a long time ago, yes. Also, rather than a "total rip" I'd say they're references, like elves, spirits, ogres and trolls are. Instead of European myths and legends these are Indian legends, that's all.

skethee2 said:
Some of these names are Sanskrit..Ganishka: Ganesh

Several are, but Ganishka refers to Kanishka, the famous emperor of the Kushans in the real world, and not Ganesh... There are older threads and posts on the subject, don't hesitate to search for them if you need more information.

skethee2 said:
I wonder if Guts will take control of the army and become a general and fight of the demons :???: that would be cool to see him lead again

I doubt it will happen.
 

CnC

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If by simularities you mean sneak attack and boats on fire, well then, yes, I would guess it is similar to Pearl Harbor. However, since sneak attacks and boats on fire have been used quite a lot during war, I highly doubt thats the reference miura's using
 

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Hmm yeah, I sort of agree with CnC. The Holy See alliance planned to go to war anyway (hey, another similarity with Pearl Harbor??), so Ganishka took preemptive measures. This doesn't strike me as very noticeable among all the wars our world went through, I mean there were times where a declaration of war was just attacking the other and a peace treaty was killing the opponent leader.

Vritannis used Kushan slaves, maybe it's just retaliation? :guts:
 
Aazealh said:
Vritannis used Kushan slaves, maybe it's just retaliation? :guts:
I think you've got a point there. What Serpico said before he and Guts fought in that Cordoba mosque lookalike about Kushans being there at Vritannis. Maybe the war is about them retaking their land?
 

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poodeta said:
hmm i dunno why but that pearl harbor comment made me wonder if there will be any flying familiar
We'll just have to wait and see. I don't doubt the possibility, though. Only four more days... :SK:
 
Aazealh said:
Hmm, I wonder about that. I don't think Guts and co will choose to retreat toward the armies stationed outside the city, or at least I don't hope so.  I'd rather see Roderick going along with Guts and his band to the port, but there are so many possibilities anyway... We really can't be sure about anything at the moment.
That's a plausible scenario; Guts was in a hurry to get out of the ball since he knows soon Vritannis will be a battlefield and Schierke knows the city's doomed. Now that it's started, If she shares her prophecy with Guts, the group will most likely take off, with Roderick in tow to the port.
HawaiianStallion said:
Or perhaps the emperor of the Kushan empire is an evil power mad apostle?
That goes without saying. :badbone:

What Serpico said about the Forest of Pillars being left as a monument to having won that land from the Kushans got me thinking there may be more to the Kushan invasion besides wanting more land to rule. It's some food for thought and for what we know, the Kushans could just be invading because Ganishka told them to. :zodd:

Back on topic, I wonder if anything's happening with the Holy See Alliance outside Vritannis? If they aren't about to deal with the land general out front, they're going to get one hell of a surprise from the pishachas from behind.  :troll:
 

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Jhot obs said:
Guts was in a hurry to get out of the ball since he knows soon Vritannis will be a battlefield and Schierke knows the city's doomed. Now that it's started, If she shares her prophecy with Guts, the group will most likely take off, with Roderick in tow to the port.

Actually there are a lot of possibilities (obviously), it's quite hard to guess the characters' reactions accurately in situations like this one, and then there's all the unexpected stuff. A lot of different scenarios are plausible to me right now, and of course none will prove to be exactly correct in the end.

Jhot obs said:
What Serpico said about the Forest of Pillars being left as a monument to having won that land from the Kushans got me thinking there may be more to the Kushan invasion besides wanting more land to rule.

They won the land back from the Kushans though, it wasn't originally Kushan territory. Concerning the many possible reasons for Ganishka's decision to invade (since he's definitely the one that decided it, as their emperor), I'll quote myself from another post, just for reference.

Aazealh said:
It could also have been Femto's incarnation, though. After all, Ganishka's motivation seems the refusal to bow down to Griffith and be relegated to the rank of "servant" like all the other apostles. He won't abandon what he has without a counterpart, a "toll in blood".

The invasion could have been preemptive on his part, knowing that with Femto incarnated on earth he wouldn't have been able to keep his position/status. In that case Griffith would be the main target and the Holy See alliance a mere bother to get rid of before they interfere. The dialogue in episode 232 is most interesting in that regard.

Jhot obs said:
I wonder if anything's happening with the Holy See Alliance outside Vritannis? If they aren't about to deal with the land general out front, they're going to get one hell of a surprise from the pishachas from behind.

Well they must see the fire from the port, and I imagine people will give the alert.
 
T_T I can't wait T_T

I'd like read again all the episodes... but i don't have time..... someone would like make a resume for mí?? ^_^

hehe.... whatever.... we will need many episodes to satisfy our berserk addiction... too many personages who have to become involved in the story... and end... uf!
 

jackson_hurley

even the horses are cut in half!
if griffith has to fight with ganishka (i presume he will have to someday) will he have to use his apostle form? (does he still have one?!and if so is it still his bird look alike form) i wonder i wonder...
 
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