Rhombaad
Video Game Time Traveler
Trashcan said:Not Beast Swordsman?
From what I can recall, Zodd took that one already. (At least that's what the title of episode 181 implied).
Trashcan said:Not Beast Swordsman?
Well, we're sure that he was the previous owner of the armor. That's certainly a good head start on nothing.darkbane said:Just say "Black Beast" and be done with it.
Dunno about "past life", but dare not speculate about SK at all since we know almost nothing.
That's why it's "almost" nothing :) We don't know anything about the circumstances, except that he bled to death, right?Walter said:Well, we're sure that he was the previous owner of the armor. That's certainly a good head start on nothing.
We know more than "nothing". Read Griff's and my posts above. As to what the circumstances were, who cares? They wouldn't tell us anything new about the nature of the armor. That's not to say I'm not naturally curious about them. However, given Skully's confession on the subject in ep 237, we aren't barred from speculation.darkbane said:That's why it's "almost" nothing :) We don't know anything about the circumstances, except that he bled to death, right?
I did. Again. Especially your "upshift" contributed a lot. C'mon.Walter said:We know more than "nothing". Read Griff's and my posts above.
I care. I care about anything that adds depth to the Berserk universe, and this would be one interesting story to read.As to what the circumstances were, who cares?
So you've got it all figured out already, to the point that there's nothing more to add to it. Congrats. Unfortunately, I am not so convinced that we know every nook and cranny of the armor's secret. SK is obviously not dead and yet not alive, so we still don't really understand the transformation that happens (always? sometimes?) when a "Berserker" (for lack of a better term) bleeds to death.They wouldn't tell us anything new about the nature of the armor.
But you just said that you don't care.That's not to say I'm not naturally curious about them. However, given Skully's confession on the subject in ep 237, we aren't barred from speculation.
I ain't exactly barring anyone from speculation. I am neither enabled nor entitled to do that. If you think that's what I meant, you misunderstood me, for which I apologize... As usual, your tone of voice is pointlessly offending, which isn't really called for. You're the boss around here, can't you at least act like one? (And please don't take this as flame bait, I'm only curious.)Anyway, if you "don't dare speculate" why bother posting? You're wasting our time with your baseless questioning.
What?darkbane said:Especially your "upshift" contributed a lot. C'mon.
Read more carefully. The circumstances surrounding his bleeding to death (i.e. who he was fighting in that instance) would not tell us more of the armor's nature. We already know that it's a dangerous armor that can bleed its wearer to death. How could the circumstances explain that in more detail?I care. I care about anything that adds depth to the Berserk universe, and this would be one interesting story to read.
When was Skull Knight's "transformation" ever the subject at hand? Seems like you've had an internal argument you failed to post here. I'd love to hear it. Your post was just a TAD vague, you know. Anyway, I simply restated information surrounding Skull Knight and the armor that you seemed to be ignoring, for whatever reason.So you've got it all figured out already, to the point that there's nothing more to add to it. Congrats. Unfortunately, I am not so convinced that we know every nook and cranny of the armor's secret. SK is obviously not dead and yet not alive, so we still don't really understand the transformation that happens (always? sometimes?) when a "Berserker" (for lack of a better term) bleeds to death.
As I said above, the circumstances of how he BLED TO DEATH won't help us understand the armor any more than we currently do.But you just said that you don't care.
You said, "dare not speculate," as if we know nothing applicable about Skull Knight's past. What did you really mean, then? Maybe in the future you should specify exactly what you're thinking....I ain't exactly barring anyone from speculation. I am neither enabled nor entitled to do that.
I was acting like the boss by questioning your worthless contribution to the discussion: that we DARE NOT SPECULATE about Skull Knight's past. You may as well have posted: "Hi, I'm not paying attention and don't really feel like saying anything constructive." It certainly would have taken less time, and contributed just as much.As usual, your tone of voice is pointlessly offending, which isn't really called for. You're the boss around here, can't you at least act like one? (And please don't take this as flame bait, I'm only curious.)
"Quick, Guts! Upshift into BERSERK MODE! Serpico, go to WINDY MODE!" - Nice sarcasm, really, but adds zero to anything, and is as much a waste of time as anything. :)Walter said:What?
I think that by describing of what happens to him immediately after and in the next few hours after the "bleeding to death" incident, we would gain a wealth of understanding about the armor that goes beyound the "it's dangerous" sticker. We know you're supposed to lose your humanity, somehow, during or before that, but how it all ties in exactly is up in the air afaik.Read more carefully. The circumstances surrounding his bleeding to death (i.e. who he was fighting in that instance) would not tell us more of the armor's nature. We already know that it's a dangerous armor that can bleed its wearer to death. How could the circumstances explain that in more detail?
It's both. But I don't need to quote something that I'm agreeing with you on, that would be a waste of time (no pun-like reference to any previous posts intended...). (By the way, the adjective form is spelled as "conveniently").What YOU want is to know the circumstances for your own curiosity, not for how it applies to the armor. And in that respect, I am in agreeance (and I said as much in my earlier post, but you convienantly didn't quote that...).
The reason for the transformation must be intimately connected to the armor, making it the subject at hand. Not to mention they/we were discussing Guts' future transformation with respect to wearing the armor, to begin with (See Griff's post).When was Skull Knight's "transformation" ever the subject at hand? Seems like you've had an internal argument you failed to post here. I'd love to hear it.
I know That is something I've regretted already, I didn't take time to formulate anything properly at that point and it's biting me now.Your post was just a TAD vague, you know.
Not really, they don't contain enough substance yet to work with though, imho.Anyway, I simply restated information surrounding Skull Knight and the armor that you seemed to be ignoring, for whatever reason.
As I said above, I think that's not true. Let's take a rain check on that one till it comes up in the manga, though.As I said above, the circumstances of how he BLED TO DEATH won't help us understand the armor any more than we currently do.
I was thinking about the "SK in the past life" thing. Griff's already said everything I said here, actually, the one thing that's off for me was the "past life", making it sound like he reincarnated or something. But because we really don't know enough about either the armor or SK, I didn't venture to put forward a theory. I guess it's not very constructive, if only because I did not put it in clear words...You said, "dare not speculate," as if we know nothing applicable about Skull Knight's past. What did you really mean, then? Maybe in the future you should specify exactly what you're thinking....
If you read it again, you'll notice that I never said a word about what YOU or anyone ELSE dares or doesn't dare. Whatever else my post was, it wasn't accusing or forbidding anyone from anything... You might be surprised to learn that I do read posts in a thread I post in :) so the rest of what you say is, apart from being an insult, which I can live with, also quite applicable to the first half of your post on page 5, right? -_-;I was acting like the boss by questioning your worthless contribution to the discussion: that we DARE NOT SPECULATE about Skull Knight's past. You may as well have posted: "Hi, I'm not paying attention and don't really feel like saying anything constructive." It certainly would have taken less time, and contributed just as much.
darkbane said:(By the way, the adjective form is spelled as "conveniently").
By the way, generally a sentence with this structure requires you to specify a subject (ex: I, you, we, God, etc...)darkbane said:Dunno about "past life", but dare not speculate about SK at all since we know almost nothing.
Mage said:Here are my thoughts:
Gaeseric wore the cursed armor, which shaped itself to his Od (as it did when Guts wore it) so it looked like a skull. He then died in it or was just about to die and was either transformed by the armor alone or by Flora alone or by both into the Skull Knight. Skully and Flora foreshadowed that Schierke and Guts are going to face the same situation at some point, though fate is a 'spiral', not a circle, and they may choose differently...given this wording (maybe I'm hallucinating that conversation), the parallels between Guts/Schierke and Skully/Flora, and the growing importance on the bond between Guts/Schierke's...it leads me to believe that it was a collaborative 'choice' to transform Skully (or just to choose to use the armor which transformed Skully)...regardless of how it happened, we (and they) already know the results so I don't see the "how" as being important.
QUeeN typhonblue said:Perhaps Schierke is providing some additional power + control to Guts in his current form.
It does seem like he's doing a lot better with killing the Makara. Dispatching half a dozen so quickly and all. Seemed like the last time the beast killed a Makara it took a bit more out of him.
"Griffith No More!" said:Missing something? On the contrary, you just made up a bunch of stuff! =)
Anyway, just to get everyone on the same page; we know Skully wore it at some point and likely was the last since it was shaped like a skull. We also know the last wearer reportedly "died" on their feet fighting in it (because of it noteably; literally devoured him, crushing all his bones and bleeding him dry). So, it's only prudent to assume that was Skull Knight in a past life. And that's about as far as we can go with any certainty since we don't know what happened to Skull Knight after (or during) that, if anything, to contribute to his current state. For all we know, it was just the armor itself.
It is supposed to be cursed, and according to Skull Knight, the armor changes you just by living in it, let alone dying in it. You literally start to lose your humanity, and in the end the whole point of the curse might be that it uses you up and eats you alive, body and soul, until all that's left is whatever the armor makes of you. Guts is under the impression he's going to be careful and avoid such a fate, but that may not be possible as long as he wears it.
Beast Knight, anyone?
Mage said:Here are my thoughts:
Gaeseric wore the cursed armor, which shaped itself to his Od (as it did when Guts wore it) so it looked like a skull. He then died in it or was just about to die and was either transformed by the armor alone or by Flora alone or by both into the Skull Knight. Skully and Flora foreshadowed that Schierke and Guts are going to face the same situation at some point, though fate is a 'spiral', not a circle, and they may choose differently...given this wording (maybe I'm hallucinating that conversation), the parallels between Guts/Schierke and Skully/Flora, and the growing importance on the bond between Guts/Schierke's...it leads me to believe that it was a collaborative 'choice' to transform Skully (or just to choose to use the armor which transformed Skully)...regardless of how it happened, we (and they) already know the results so I don't see the "how" as being important.
Wereallmad said:I don't know if it was Flora alone. I recall a dicussion on BSOM, maybe 6 or 7 years ago, about a pannel in volume 18 where Puck meets the SkullKnight. I *think* puck says he senses something about the skullknight not unlike a fairy, or something. It prompted a lot of discussion (someone feel free to correct me).
Anyway, I'm not sure if this aura that Puck refers to something similar to the spirits that surround the magic trinkets that Guts' band now have, or if it is a spicifically elven.
Wereallmad said:That theory ties in very well with the "mysterious revelation" that popped up years earlier on a Japanese BBS that claimed to answer all of Berserk's past. One of the claims made was thatThe SkullKnight was Gaseric, whom, near death, wandered into a grove of elves and they showed pity for him, tranfering his dying spirit to the armor he now appears as.
None of this has ever been confirmed as anything but wild fan-speculation, like those that surfaced about the Matrix revolutions before it's release, but some people back in the day were really putting stock into it.