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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #75 on: June 22, 2006, 08:48:09 PM »
Not sure if it was discussed yet but did you noticed DS is still seething with electricity? Don't you think it should of been discharged by now?

It was discussed two posts above yours, and the DS just received the charge from Ganishka's super attack. Like I said, it's an EMP. :beast:

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #76 on: June 22, 2006, 08:55:10 PM »
Not sure if it was discussed yet but did you noticed DS is still seething with electricity? Don't you think it should of been discharged by now?

its been zapped numerous times.
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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #77 on: June 22, 2006, 09:29:41 PM »
Specifically, it was being zapped right at that moment, at least residually. As mentioned, it showed the power of Ganishka's attack and served as a distraction for Guts, otherwise he probably wouldn't just let Zodd fall him.

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #78 on: June 22, 2006, 09:37:54 PM »
I was just thinking... What if Locus appeared? Wouldnt he be the Neo Band of the Hawks portable Lightning rod?   :guts:

Also that would make sense since he would be leading the land troops like he did the first time against Ganishka.
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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #79 on: June 22, 2006, 09:38:40 PM »
Thattime, saving Casca, Guts said.. "No more swimming with armor !!" :zodd:

He's already done it at least 2 times that I can remember. After adding weight with the dragonslayer and left hand. (Roshinu fight, and in tha past couple episodes)

But an even better question was whether he aimed at Guts. Cause they did catch each other's eye's earlier. Or eye.  :guts:

I was just thinking... What if Locus appeared? Wouldnt he be the Neo Band of the Hawks portable Lightning rod? :guts:

Yeah, I'm guessing it's cause the flyers have the advantage of speed, and got to Ganishka first. And the land troops are mopping up the rest inthe city... not the harbor.
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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #80 on: June 22, 2006, 10:04:42 PM »
And xbigvmanx wins "worst reader" honors! :troll:

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #81 on: June 22, 2006, 10:31:54 PM »
Okay, let's not compete for the "worst post" award in the same day. Let's talk about the episode... oh God, there's more than a month of this to go. =)

Anyway, something that caught my eye...

do u think that zodd will turn into his human(ish) form and Guts and co. save zodd....? just a thought...

For some reason, this was the first scenario that occured to me, though I certainly wouldn't call it the likliest (maybe the coolest though, except for a piece of speculation I saw from JIN =).

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #82 on: June 22, 2006, 11:45:09 PM »
someone who's is a very "Special" who likes to ride the very "Special" bus.

Hahaha, shouldn't that have been the worst writer award? :void:

(maybe the coolest though, except for a piece of speculation I saw from JIN =).


Yeah, JIN's totally awesome. :guts: He won't post himself though, so he leaves me no choice! :SK:

Though, dare I say, he got the inspiration from me. =P

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #83 on: June 23, 2006, 01:08:53 AM »
  Hey guys, didn't Locus back a few volumes get the shock attack from ol' Kushan buddy too? As I recall all the apostles he was with got shafted but Locus remained standing.

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #84 on: June 23, 2006, 01:14:47 AM »
Heh, thanks for the snaps. They are nice - HQ or not. ;]

JIN's 'speculation' is cute & skillful. Let's hope it'll happen that way. ;D

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #85 on: June 23, 2006, 04:02:36 AM »
As cool as it would be to see Skull Knight come to the rescue, I would rather he sit this one out.  I don't want the story to have Guts in over his head and then have SK appear right on schedule to bail his ass outta the frying pan.

Though, it would be cool as hell to see if Ganishka is familiar with him.

Damn, now I'm torn on the matter.

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #86 on: June 23, 2006, 11:35:04 AM »
http://aazealh.net/Divers/JIN/Drawings/JIN_speculation-hmm.jpg

Yeah, JIN's totally awesome. :guts: He won't post himself though, so he leaves me no choice! :SK:

lol! that has to be the funniest thing I've seen today.  Great stuff.

dammit, Jin.  post more!
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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #87 on: June 23, 2006, 11:47:47 AM »
Hey guys, didn't Locus back a few volumes get the shock attack from ol' Kushan buddy too?

Nope, Ganishka killed a few of his men (3 as far as we can see), but most of them were spared, including Locus himself. He didn't get hit. Then they retreated before Ganishka could attack more because Zodd and Griffith had already rescued Charlotte.

As cool as it would be to see Skull Knight come to the rescue, I would rather he sit this one out.

Well, that was mostly a joking speculation, notice how SK is breaking out of the moon too.

On a side note, it looks like the lack of previews these days is due to Miura sending in the episodes late to Hakusensha (from his own admission).

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #88 on: June 23, 2006, 01:27:40 PM »
Ganishka is worth his tittle I don't see any apostle being a threat to him right now and considering that a land army is coming to the city the next battle(supposedly vs all NeoHawk) will be ferocious...nevertheless there is one thing that disapoint me in his army...the(relative)weakness of his familliars maybe we'll see some more(and more powerfull)but I doubt that something can be stronger that a whale or elephant familliar(btw for me Ganishka is a kind of baboon apostle so maybe a monkey familliar will get there moreover it fit well to the Kushan culture/fashion) 
Anyway Zodd and Guts will certainly pass through something unexpected again...we may have a display of unknow power like Griffith's one,maybe Zodd take the lightning willingly sacrifying his body to test Ganishka's power(searching the submarine caster maybe :guts:)in the end they may simply help eachother undirectly,there are so much possibilitites...
BTW I wanna say that Jin's drawing is really hilarious (and I don't see SK coming to Vritannis)
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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #89 on: June 23, 2006, 01:56:17 PM »
considering that a land army is coming to the city

We still haven't seen any of this mysterious army though... I wouldn't be too quick in proclaiming the Kushans victorious if I were you. Lots of things can still happen.

there is one thing that disapoint me in his army...the(relative)weakness of his familliars maybe we'll see some more(and more powerfull)but I doubt that something can be stronger that a whale or elephant familliar

I can't understand you guys. The weakness of the familiars? Yeah, they sure are weak compared to apostles (or Guts). Who wouldn't? But at least they're better than the average mercenaries, and they're still a very strong and deadly army. The fact that Griffith's Demon Army is ridiculously powerful doesn't change this. If they were fighting any other army it'd be a carnage, don't forget that.

Concerning the elephant and whale familiars, since they're respectively the largest land animal in existence and the biggest mammal in the world (at least in our world) I can understand why you'd think that. However that doesn't mean Ganishka won't pull out a swarm of smaller familiars that could prove more dangerous even if not as "strong" or impressive physically.

(btw for me Ganishka is a kind of baboon apostle so maybe a monkey familliar will get there moreover it fit well to the Kushan culture/fashion)

Hahaha, a baboon apostle? May I know what fueled this speculation? He doesn't have simian features and Wyald already fills the role of the apish apostle. Besides, how exactly does it fit Kushan culture and fashion? Have you seen people wearing costumes with baboons on them in the manga?

maybe Zodd take the lightning willingly sacrifying his body to test Ganishka's power

While the look in his eyes on page 9 gives the whole thing a dramatic feel, I don't think he'd go ahead and die just to "test" Ganishka's power. That would be stupid and useless, and besides Locus had seen enough of that power in Wyndham already. Let's not underestimate Griffith too much...

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2006, 03:09:39 PM »
Sooooooo...
About my disapointment toward the familliars it's purely subjective but even pre-eclipse Guts managed to kill some apostle or at least hurt them seriously,and I don't consider Guts(pre eclipse) that strong compared to familiars so yeah I've reason to be disapointed...

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Hahaha, a baboon apostle? May I know what fueled this speculation? He doesn't have simian features and Wyald already fills the role of the apish apostle. Besides, how exactly does it fit Kushan culture and fashion? Have you seen people wearing costumes with baboons on them in the manga?
What is so funny?
Ganishka being a baboon is just an idea because I always wonder what he is exactly...and when I say Kushan Fashion as far as I know Kushan are an "hindu-hist" civilization and monkey are supposed to be important in these culture so speculating about Ganishka being sorta monkey is not that funny,the same for monkey familiars...now if you say that Kushan aren't similar to Indian :serpico:
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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #91 on: June 23, 2006, 03:30:22 PM »
I don't think the plot is advancing any faster than it already was (Guts & co haven't moved at all, neither did Daiba nor Ganishka), and since this episode couldn't have happened without the previous 10

Well, you can't really deny that the Neo Hawks confronting Ganishka has more global impact than Guts fighting Daiba.

I think it's safe to say Miura wouldn't care about what you said even if he read it.

No, he often calls me and asks what he should do with the plot next.  :void:
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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2006, 03:58:01 PM »
Is it just me or does Zodd seem a little desperate (for lack of a better word)? His attack apparently didn't do much (in spite my hopes), and Ganishka disposed of him rather "easily". This being the first time we've seen him in action since the introduction of the Moonlight Child, could it possibly relate to that. I mean did he have a change of hearts (so to speak) about his apparent USO choice, with this being a headlong dash to death, or is he just following some, yet to be revealed, plan of Griffith's. A large speculation on my part, I know, fell free to tell me I'm wrong, or just share your views.
P.S. Re-reading previous posts made the begging unnecessary ('cos its not just me) sorry!
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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #93 on: June 23, 2006, 04:24:48 PM »
About my disapointment toward the familliars it's purely subjective but even pre-eclipse Guts managed to kill some apostle or at least hurt them seriously,and I don't consider Guts(pre eclipse) that strong compared to familiars so yeah I've reason to be disapointed...

Of course it's purely subjective, but the problem is that it doesn't make sense. Guts managed to kill an apostle before the Eclipse, and? He was always very strong, he also killed a hundred men at a time before that. If anything, that proves he was way above a mere familiar or a Daka at that time already (can't believe I'm having this discussion). Then you say that Guts wasn't that strong compared to the familiars at the time, and that it's the reason you're disappointed. Where's your logic? You're just proving the opposite of your point. Guts could kill an apostle by himself, that makes him better.

Besides, why are you even comparing Guts with these monsters? He's a superb swordsman with incredible skills while they're more like mindless grunts with enhanced physical strength (or buffed up animals, you choose). Don't compare an army to a single man in different contexts. Anyway, they had still managed to deal some damage to the lancers in Wyndham, and we didn't have an occasion to see them go at it more since the fight was cut short. The fact Locus was there didn't help either as he could have killed a lot just by himself too. The problem here is that apostles are strong individually (and their power varies) while Daka and familiars are just supernatural cannon fodder, they really can't be compared.

Put one of these flying weaklings against 5 Makara or 50 Daka and I bet he wouldn't last long. If you want to appreciate the familiars for what they're worth, compare them to a normal, "human" army.

What is so funny?

The fact you're saying this out of nowhere, and that you have no reason to believe it yet still do?

Ganishka being a baboon is just an idea because I always wonder what he is exactly...

An idea without anything supporting it then?

when I say Kushan Fashion as far as I know Kushan are an "hindu-hist" civilization and monkey are supposed to be important in these culture

The Kushans in Berserk draw some elements from Hinduism and Buddhism, but that doesn't mean they're perfectly similar, far from it in fact. Also, monkeys aren't especially important in Hinduism, I don't know where you got that from. Finally, we've seen recurring figures on Kushan equipment/buildings/etc that have the same teeth as Ganishka, these hint toward a similarity and maybe his apostle form. Why are you ignoring them in favor of your idea?

so speculating about Ganishka being sorta monkey is not that funny

Yes, it's funny to say he's a baboon out of the blue.


Well, you can't really deny that the Neo Hawks confronting Ganishka has more global impact than Guts fighting Daiba.

I think I can deny what you say easily based on the fact that Berserk is the story of Guts (so the plot is about what impacts him), and that what happened during that fight not only provided us with a lot of new information and gave a new dimension to the events but will also prove determinant in the future evolution of the plot, at short and middle term. Also, in fighting Daiba and killing his troops Guts dealt a serious setback to the invasion, Ganishka himself said so. Sounds like quite an impact on the global situation to me, especially since it will have repercussions on the whole battle, maybe even giving the Neo Hawks victory. Not to mention that by doing that they forced Ganishka into manifesting himself, which directly led to the current events. It couldn't have happened otherwise, and what's taking place now is just the continuation of the rest.

Now, the Neo Hawks which were already there at the end of the last episode just got killed by Ganishka. That's what happened. Oh yeah, and Zodd's on fire. This is a very interesting development, but in itself it doesn't "advance the plot" more than previous episodes did.

Ganishka disposed of him rather "easily".

I don't think you should say that. Ganishka had to resort to his "super attack" (for lack of a better word) to get rid of him, and we don't see what he's up to after that. It could have drained his power significantly enough so that he wouldn't be as much of an immediate threat, allowing the rest of the Hawks to dispatch the Kushans more easily. I really doubt this was all done in vain on Zodd's part.

This being the first time we've seen him in action since the introduction of the Moonlight Child, could it possibly relate to that. I mean did he have a change of hearts (so to speak) about his apparent USO choice, with this being a headlong dash to death

I don't think it's the case. Doesn't really fit the character, and it all seems a bit early for something like that.

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #94 on: June 23, 2006, 05:12:14 PM »
SO for you Ganishka is the "teeth aphostle"?I mean it's obvious that the teeth form is his apostle form and this but again is he just the teeth apostle,he'll look like a human with big teeth in his apostle form for you?I don't think so...for me the teeth are just a hint of what he is...I mean if he had fang coming out of his hands I'd wonder what is his complete apostle form(hope I made it clear)
And about the importance of Monkey in Hinduism Hanuman is a VERY popular god/hero in this religion at least in some regions(based on what I know about it)so I still think that the monkey figure is important in hinduism now I may be wrong not being a specialist anyway
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Then you say that Guts wasn't that strong compared to the familiars at the time, and that it's the reason you're disappointed. Where's your logic? You're just proving the opposite of your point.
Where is the logic?
Guts pre-eclipse is stronger than MANY apostle(looking to the eclipse)and I still consider him weaker than a makara so the Makara should be a lot stronger than a lot of apostle
 now it's true that we haven't seen any fight Makara vs apostle but the oliphant familiars werent that strong either and I doubt that they are this weak compared to Makara...
BTW I did not know that when someone say A is stronger than B,B is stronger than C so A is stronger than C(purely brute power) it was illogical
It's not that it's important but stating it's illogical is not that smart IMHO
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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #95 on: June 23, 2006, 05:39:31 PM »
Guts pre-eclipse is stronger than MANY apostle(looking to the eclipse)and I still consider him weaker than a makara so the Makara should be a lot stronger than a lot of apostle

Guts is weaker than a Makara? Did you forget the second one he faced and killed WITHOUT giving into the beast? I'd say he's stronger than a Makara Loki. Now against a slew of Makara, AFTER killing all the Daka at the pier...cut him some slack.

Now are you talking stronger like, if Guts and the Makara were to see who could bench press more? Because then it's obvious. That's like debating whether a cat is stronger than a Pitbull.

Are you trying to say that a Makara could hold it's own against an apostle? Because if you think that, i'd say your mistaken. The Makara maybe have brute strength...but are FAR from being fast and agile. And like what was said before, the power of an apostle varies...so it's not fair unless you compare a Makara to a SPECIFIC apostle.

It's not always how big, or how strong you are that can win you a fight....
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As for Ganishka's Apostle form....I'll make a bet with Loki. A hardcore, real life bet that Ganishka's apostle form WILL NOT resemble a Baboon. Based on, like you, a gut feeling.
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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2006, 06:06:13 PM »
SO for you Ganishka is the "teeth aphostle"?

Apostle doesn't take a 'h'. Is it too much of an effort for you to spell correctly or put spaces between words? If so please refrain from posting until you can do it.

I mean it's obvious that the teeth form is his apostle form and this but again is he just the teeth apostle,he'll look like a human with big teeth in his apostle form for you?

The teeth are the only visible element we can base ourselves on for now, although we can also take hints from the Daka. Other than that, I don't have a specific idea of what his apostle form will be, no. It doesn't have to be related to an animal however, and I don't know why you're babbling about a "teeth apostle."

I don't think so...for me the teeth are just a hint of what he is...

And that hint doesn't point at all in the direction of a baboon. Not the sharpest knife in the kitchen, are we?

I mean if he had fang coming out of his hands I'd wonder what is his complete apostle form(hope I made it clear)

Uhh yes, veeeery clear... So since he doesn't have fangs coming out of his hands, you don't wonder what his complete apostle form is. Because it's obviously a baboon! Yeah, I get it now, it makes perfect sense.

And about the importance of Monkey in Hinduism Hanuman is a VERY popular god/hero in this religion at least in some regions(based on what I know about it)so I still think that the monkey figure is important in hinduism now I may be wrong not being a specialist anyway

Yeah, you're wrong. I knew exactly what you'd say too. Hanuman's a god among a lot of others, and while he's relatively popular this doesn't mean that monkeys in general are important in Hinduism. If you were talking about sacred cows for example it'd be different. In any case that's pretty much irrelevant and even off-topic. Not to mention that Hanuman is like the complete opposite of Ganishka in every aspect. Anything else to say?

Guts pre-eclipse is stronger than MANY apostle(looking to the eclipse)

That's a baseless assertion. Guts escaped from them and wounded quite a lot, but that doesn't mean he was stronger. Especially if you're talking about "purely brute strength" here, like you said later. Also, it's not "pre-Eclipse" if it happens during the Eclipse. And didn't I tell you not to put all the apostles in the same bag as their individual strength can vary a lot? There are weak and strong apostles, so what you're saying isn't proving any point.

and I still consider him weaker than a makara

So when you say "familiars" you put the Makara and the tigers together indistinctly? Because we haven't seen the Makara fight any apostle yet, so the whole argument is void in this case. I assumed you meant the familiars we actually saw fighting against apostles, but I guess that was presumptuous of me in regard to your common sense. And do you realize that by doing that both with apostles and familiars you then make it impossible to reason coherently? Also, because Guts can kill something doesn't mean he's stronger than it. You'll need time to get that one so don't hesitate to chew on it for a few days. It really depends on what you define as strength too. And lastly, you really have no way to say whether Guts could have killed a Makara instead of Wyald (for example) or not. Considering how slow and stupid they are (based on Guts' own words) it doesn't seem impossible at all to me. The Makara's only advantage is that they're huge.

now it's true that we haven't seen any fight Makara vs apostle

Then why are you even talking about it? Uh?

but the oliphant familiars werent that strong either and I doubt that they are this weak compared to Makara...

Elephants. Please spell the word elephant correctly. And we haven't seen them in action much, so once again you're drawing hasty conclusions from a single scene in a specific context and extrapolating randomly. Your ability to fabricate facts out of thin air is incredible.

It's not that it's important but stating it's illogical is not that smart IMHO

You aren't that smart. Jesus, "purely brute power?" What does that even mean? In terms of brute strength Guts is below practically every apostle, you know. He's better because he's more skilled, more intelligent, and uses a deadly equipment. Are you really talking about bench pressing like Proj said? This is pretty sad. Now stop posting bullshit please, it exhausts me just to make the effort to comprehend your twisted logic. Besides this has nothing to do with the thread, go make your own and rant there.

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #97 on: June 23, 2006, 06:18:19 PM »
for me the teeth are just a hint of what he is...

If I was a sorcerer, and was given the opportunity to be re-born as a demon... I wouldn't pick an animal that already exists to base my new form off of. ..but that's just me.

But I have a question, sorry to interupt... Does anyone else think that the supposed witch Griffith wanted dead at the spirit tree was supposed to be Schierke? What if Griffith didn't know there was an heir to the witch of the spirit tree, so he asumed it was Flora? (but what doesn't Griffith know?)

I ask this cause I think Schierke's gonna be a super bad ass magic user soon to come, and Griffith really wanted her out of the way. Also Mule and Sonya where sent to Virtanis to look for a witch... Did Griffith screw up and hit the wrong target?
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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #98 on: June 23, 2006, 06:34:21 PM »



"Hrmmph, these Daka power levels are most dissapointing."

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Re: Episode 276
« Reply #99 on: June 23, 2006, 06:39:30 PM »
If I was a sorceror, and was given the opportunaty to be re-born as a demon... I wouldn't pick an animal that already exists to base my new form off of. ..but that's just me.

Well, we don't know whether Ganishka became a sorcerer before or after he became an apostle, and even so I'm not sure he had the choice of what creature he'd become. We just don't know much about this kind of details unfortunately.

But I have a question, sorry to interupt... Does anyone else think that the supposed witch Griffith wanted dead at the spirit tree was supposed to be Schierke?

I don't think so, no. Flora's past (that we don't know of yet) is probably what motivated his move.

I ask this cause I think Schierke's gonna be a super bad ass magic user soon to come, and Griffith really wanted her out of the way.

As far as we know Griffith wanted Flora out of the way (not sure of what you meant here)... And while Schierke will surely become badass (isn't she already? :void:), it'll take quite a while before she attains Flora's level.

Also Mule and Sonya where sent to Virtanis to look for a witch...

You're confused, Sonia went to Vritannis because she couldn't stand Griffith's relationship with Charlotte (because she has a crush on him). Mule was sent to look for her, and because she's a maiden and has divinatory powers (and is eccentric), when Isidro talked about a witch Mule automatically made the link and assumed he was talking about her (while Isidro meant Schierke). They didn't come to look for a witch or anything like that, and it's pure coincidence that Schierke and Sonia met (well, or maybe it was Idea's doing :SK:).