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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #75 on: February 27, 2002, 12:27:54 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks that Berserk will almost surely end with Guts (I'm not calling him Guts :P)  death? I mean the whole series is about Guts'  constant struggle basically fighting a one man war. I think Miura makes it pretty clear that this is not the righteous path. Griffith says that the Hawks are not his freinds. They are people who risk their lives to help Griffith acheive his dream. So are his enemies. In his encounter with Idea we see this layed out so beatifully. These people have been willing to die to see him acheive his goal. He has killed many to reach his dream. Why are the Hawks any different?
When you follow the progression of Griffith's mind, especialy after the squire boy incident, this rationality is pretty easy to follow. And yet I think we can all see that it is fundementally wrong. Thing is, that through his admiration for Griffith, Guts takes a similar position. Even after the eclipse, Guts still seems to fight for a dream. Revenge, or perhaps for Casca. He kills all who stand in his way. This is where the beast comes into play. The more Guts continues to live like this the less he cares about how he gets what he wants. When the beast posesses him he tries to take Casca. In order for Guts to overcome his beast, I think he needs to stop fighting. He needs to not become like Griffith. I think when he finally does this he will be allowed to die. That has been the one thing Guts has been unable to do through the entire series. As an infant, as a homeless child in the wilderness, as a soldier, and as the branded Swordsman. I can't think of any other well suited ending to the series.
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #76 on: February 27, 2002, 07:07:32 PM »
frog is making me sad, stop froggie STOP!  :'(
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #77 on: March 01, 2002, 01:07:59 AM »
hello Iam new here ,but my thoughts on her gaining her
sanity is
Guts will die and she will awaken when hes dying ,the story could never end happy ,only tragic

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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #78 on: March 01, 2002, 01:09:15 AM »
I didnt read frogacudas post first ,but hes got the right Idea of things to come  ;)
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #79 on: March 01, 2002, 01:26:55 AM »
Frogacuda: Yeah, I agree with you there. It seems quite likely, that unless Guts (I don't go for Guts either *grins*) learns how to move on, he will eventually die.

I think the interesting part is that if Guts and Griffith continues to paralell each other's fates (Guts is now going through hos own 'femto' period) none of them will most likely see the end. Because they both lack the ability to adapt, and to forgive. Nope, my prediction is an ever spiraling cycle of violence and betrayals until all that's left at the end is Casca, hopefully sound of mind, hopefully able to stand on her own two feet for the first time...

and I'm betting pregnant as well.... the end.

*laughs* but I like Miura, he will surprise me again, so who the hell knows? Happy end? I think not. Probably one as bittersweet as rea life...

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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #80 on: March 01, 2002, 01:39:03 PM »
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I think he needs to stop fighting. He needs to not become like Griffith. I think when he finally does this he will be allowed to die. That has been the one thing Guts has been unable to do through the entire series. As an infant, as a homeless child in the wilderness, as a soldier, and as the branded Swordsman. I can't think of any other well suited ending to the series.
The minute he stops fighting he is dead and on his way to hell.This is not about  morals, is about survival, mere survival.
Personally I don't see Guts (I called him with his Italian name finally) like a quitter. In fact his entire life was, and if he is true to his name, will be to his last instant, a costant fight. He is a FIGHTER to the core, and this is the reason  I love him.

Will he die at the end? perhaps, perhaps not, anyway I am sure he will make me proud to have known him. And first, I am also sure, he will stop that devil incarnate who answers to the name of Griffith and that it was the bane of his existence, since the moment the two met.To wit: he dragged him so down like to kill a child. I hope nobody forget, even if I don't see that episode mentioned often.
And that will happen when he will see Griffith for that he really is.

About Casca, she is the subject of this topic after all, if I was her, I would not be the least happy to "awaken" with that brand on my body and I would prefer to sink, again, in my blissful uncosciousness.
Furthermore, I can be wrong, but perhaps I see the reason Miura has undergone so great pain to make her what she is now and, if I am right, I like the possible final chapter.
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #81 on: April 18, 2002, 11:06:58 PM »
Guts only has one challenge left after he beats Griffith, to live a life that is not ruled by the sword. I think that is the only thing he can never acheive.
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #82 on: April 18, 2002, 11:39:05 PM »
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Guts only has one challenge left after he beats Griffith, to live a life that is not ruled by the sword. I think that is the only thing he can never acheive.

not at least because of the brand...
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #83 on: April 20, 2002, 10:41:00 AM »
I think the idea of Casca recovering her old self goes a lot deeper than just her role in the story. To me, the question is... how is her current state affecting Guts, and how will it continue to affect him if she doesn't recover?
This entire situation is becoming a strain on Guts that is just too much for him to bear. The demonic beast, revealing his darkest inner feelings, has shown this all too clearly. Guts has done an amazing job dealing with Casca's mental state and proven himself to be a strong and loyal lover on top of everything else, but in the end, I know that he can't handle this situation forever. He's only human.
Casca HAS to recover, in my opinion, because of this. He can't go on dragging her across midland indefinately. Something is eventually going to snap, if it hasn't already. If she doesn't recover, I hate to see what's going to result. I'm afraid if this situation goes on too much longer, it's going to be the end of both of them, especially considering Guts' emotional state as of late... If he's not already convinced that he's a monster, and if he keeps having to drag Casca around with him, and if he makes a decision or does a horrible thing based entirely in his own mind without any demonic influence, it could destroy any connection between them, and any confidence Guts has in his own goodness...
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #84 on: May 12, 2002, 12:57:24 PM »
From what I can conclude from Walter's take on the Manga. Guts may end up slaying Casca in order to stop Griffith. Why? Because Casca is the one preventing Guts from actually slaying Griffith. I think Griffith has done what he has done to keep Guts at bay, but once Guts realizes that he may have to sacrifice Casca in order to kill Griffith. Even if he doesn't, Miura, MAY have it were Casca dies soon after Guts slay Griffith. :'(

Most likely, Farnese will become his new love interest and by final battle, she will probably gain the courage to fight allow side him.
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #85 on: May 12, 2002, 01:43:11 PM »
Wow man. You really need to read the current chapters. If thats what you took from my summaries, I really need to rewrite them.

Casca isnt the only thing stopping Guts from Girffith. Shes one of them. Guts would like to believe that he could just go and kick the shit out of Griff if Casca wasn't in the way, but Griffiths big ass apostle army would say otherwise.

Farnese his new love interest? Seriously... You should read the current chapters. Thats just not going to happen.
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #86 on: May 12, 2002, 05:47:26 PM »
Hey, I'm very aware of the apostles, but I was indicating Guts not being able to attack Griffith without the protest of Casca who is psychically attached to Griffith. Who's to say that psychic link isn't strong enough to end her lifeforce if Griffith dies.

As for Farnese, I was just stating a possibility. Can't a man dream?  :P
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #87 on: May 28, 2002, 06:09:18 PM »




I am not liking anything the situation of Casca in the history, it is depressing for a woman that was a commandant, to pass for so many ridiculous things, with child's way. She should already have returned to the normal, and to struggle beside Guts, as Farnese and the others are doing. Instead of that it is the whole time being kidnapped and being rapists' victim. I was happy when she killed those 3 filthy thieves, it seemed that will recover the memory on that moment! But it was not what I thought, I eat if it was not enough, own Guts, tries to finish what the thieves began. Do I hope is not long plus, how is it already delaying the trip for the earth of the fairies, but the subject? What the fairies be able to do for her? Does Guts just go you leave her there and ready?  
 
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #88 on: June 07, 2002, 08:40:14 PM »
Yeh, i think it is about time that Casca came back, it will add a really different and interesting edge to find out what she has to say and how she acts with Guts and Griffith. Bu ti think she is not going to come back until either her or Guts is about to die.
Still we can only hope Muria goes for something different and gets her back early.
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #89 on: June 08, 2002, 05:55:27 AM »
Miura is too horny to let her old slef come back. Every volume seems to need a nearly-rape of Casca.
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #90 on: June 19, 2002, 07:06:35 PM »
well they could always let Casca come back and let Flora get raped every episode she HAS been getting off pretty light........
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #91 on: June 20, 2002, 12:04:43 AM »
apostles aren't that crazy ...  :)
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #92 on: July 09, 2002, 01:39:11 PM »
Heres something.. The egg gives them thier wish.
Guts may sacrifice himself to give Casca back her memory.


Or he may sacrifice Casca to kill griffith.

He may become the thing he hates the most.
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #93 on: July 17, 2002, 11:36:49 AM »
it might fit into Guts tragic fate - Casca will reawake - but Guts will die - so he'll never enjoy the real taste of love and life.
The end of the story will surely satisfy us - but it won't be a happy end...not at all...
that's what I think.
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #94 on: July 17, 2002, 06:03:29 PM »
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it might fit into Guts tragic fate - Casca will reawake - but Guts will die - so he'll never enjoy the real taste of love and life.
The end of the story will surely satisfy us - but it won't be a happy end...not at all...
that's what I think.


Yeah, so far Berserk doesn't seem to be headed for a happy ending.  But if anyone deserves one, it's Guts and Casca.   :)

As for Casca herself, I really hope she gets her sanity back sometime soon so that she can add a new dimension to the plot.  The turmoil her "return" would cause would definitely add even more depth to the plot.
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #95 on: August 13, 2002, 11:26:42 PM »
eintrigga: Heh. I hear ya there =P *LOL* No offense to Casca, but her snapping at Guts often annoys me sometimes =| It'd be nice if she got back to normal and didn't wander off so much though...
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #96 on: August 14, 2002, 02:42:12 AM »
I really want Casca back. I do. Every time I think about what her mental state is now, I have to stifle a scream.

But its heartbreaking for me. Its bad enough that Guts has lost all his friends, and is almost insane for revenge against the one man who meant more to him than anything. But its the fact that he can be so close to the one he loves so dearly, but for her to just giggle and drool like a child. That just takes the cake, for me anyway. Its the twig that breaks my heart.

I loved her sane character, the way she wouldn't take any shit from anyone. I liked the way, when those sickos pinned her down and cut open her shirt when Guts was fighting a hundred men, that she actually fought back and puts out one of their eyes.

So, in my opinion, she has to get sane. Miura has used her as a plot device for far too long now. Looking at it from a profitable way, imagine how many Berserk fans would flock to buy the chapter of Casca gettting sane. Jesus, it would be phenomenal.

There are many other reasons I could list, but I just got up so...  :-X
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #97 on: August 14, 2002, 04:35:19 AM »
I think insane Casca is as important as her former-self.
In addition, I don't think Miura makes her remain insane too long.
Think about how many plot-developments have been made thanks to her insanity.

Her insanity makes

1) Demon child survived not being crushed by Guts
2) 1) leads to Griffith's rebirth
3) Guts meets new members of his troop
4) Elfhelm!!!
5) Guts realizes his true feeling for Griffith

etc, etc....
IMO, Many story settings relating to her insanity still remain in the future so she can't get back her sanity so easily and early.
In short, not that I don't want Casca regain herself, but that it needs much more time, I mean "not yet"
Or, it is also possible that she'll never be able to do it.

**Suppose she gets back her fomerself as you wish, would her role be bigger or more important than now? just wondering... ::)

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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #98 on: August 14, 2002, 05:52:46 AM »
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Or, it is also possible that she'll never be able to do it.


NO!

I don't even want to think about that!

You do have a point though, Puella. Just a question... why does Casca being insane make Guts realise his true feeling for Griffith?
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Re: Any hope for Casca
« Reply #99 on: August 14, 2002, 07:30:26 AM »
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NO!

I don't even want to think about that!

I'd thought that if she is supposed not to regain herself forever, Miura wouldn't make her insane after the eclipse. but who knows?

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You do have a point though, Puella. Just a question... why does Casca being insane make Guts realise his true feeling for Griffith?

umm, it's sorta hard to say.
Guts has been confused between two choices: protect and stay with his insane and helpless girl or keep going on his revenge on Griffith. His alternative is to go on his journey of revenge after taking his girl to the safest(supposedly) place in the world. Going along with Casca, he gets to realize how deeply he is related to Griffith. it is not only a feeling of grudge or hatred.
I mean Griffith is more important to Guts than Casca though it's not fully clarified. and considering chapter 190, when Guts tried to rape Casca, he talks to himself again and again "I can do IT like Griffith." what do you think of these words?
I could be wrong on this matter. somebody corrects me or give me different point of view.