SMZKAH said:Well, I ran out to my local Borders today and picked up Volume 9, got home, got comfortable, and read it cover to cover. All I can say is HOLY FRICKIN CRAP!!!!! I knew the anime left a lot out of the storyline, but there were things happening in volume nine that I never would have imagined, as well as the actual characters that were replaced by the anime. I dont wanna spoil anything for anyone who hasn't read it yet, but I loved it. Guts is such a badass. And I definately have a new found appreciation for Silat. Hey, if you haven't done so already, do yourself a favor and read volume 9. And so the countdown begins for Volume 10.
Zelz said:Yeah, its an awesome cover, and I agree Skullknight should be on more covers, but I don't think I would change any one of them.
Aazealh said:Noticing that only now, I just want to tell you that volume 9, 10 and 11 aren't wasted time even if you've watched the anime a hundred times. Believe me, they're worth their price.
DarthVenom said:(plus there is a whole lotta sex in this issue lol )
DarthVenom said:issue 10 is still set for 1/25/06 (the shit is really about to hit the fan) plus get ready for a few new apostle
it was a joke 8). ahh well i guess it wasn't funnyRhombaad said:
no problem man , ill be posting every other date in the Hurry up DarkHorse thread though.Rhombaad said:Cool, thanks for the info. I saw on TFAW (the site Dark Horse sells their products through) that it was gonna be released sometime in January. Now I know the exact date and can plan ahead (for what? no idea).
DarthVenom said:it was a joke 8). ahh well i guess it wasn't funny
DarthVenom said:as for issue 9, is it your first time reading it. i don't know i guess since i finally got to read and see what SkullKnight was saying in English made me pretty damn happy.
Return said:but dark horse sure takes there time realeasing the next volume.
Frog said:So, we finally get to meet that Skull Knight I hear so much about! Or in this version, "The Knight of Skeleton". That translation seems especially strange here, since it's not the name he introduces himself with, Guts just blurts it out. He sees a guy dressed in skeleton armor, and arbitrarily decides to call him "The Knight of Skeleton".
Frog said:The King and Charlotte. That was just disturbing. I wonder where they're going with that storyline, how long until we see them again?
Frog said:Guts vs. Silat. Meh. This is one area where I prefer the anime version. In the anime, the fights seem fairly realistic (well, aside from the 200-lb sword wielding, 100-man slaying, gallons-of-blood-leaking guy, that is). In the manga, they seem a bit too 'dragonball', if you will. One character explains the moves they're about to perform, and then the other character explains how they countered the first character's move. It seems a bit silly, and takes me out of the story. There have been similar fights in previous volumes, but this one is just the worst to me. I hope this trend doesn't continue throughout the series.
CnC said:And don't worry, Berserk has yet to fall into that pitfall of constantly naming techniques...
Frog said:He sees a guy dressed in skeleton armor, and arbitrarily decides to call him "The Knight of Skeleton".
Frog said:Guts vs. Silat. Meh. This is one area where I prefer the anime version. In the anime, the fights seem fairly realistic (well, aside from the 200-lb sword wielding, 100-man slaying, gallons-of-blood-leaking guy, that is). In the manga, they seem a bit too 'dragonball', if you will. One character explains the moves they're about to perform, and then the other character explains how they countered the first character's move.
my link in my post right above yours is their explanation for the name...
The one time Adon tried he was hit in the face by Guts' sword before he finished saying the name. And rightly so.
That seems to be a pretty baseless assertion to me... The fights taking place in this part of the story in the anime are quasi-inexistant and pretty much worthless, just Guts killing subpar enemies.
Silat names the weapons he uses and talks big about them (intimidation + information for the reader), and Guts makes fun of him. Oh, and Judo recognizing the chakrams. I think it's quite a stretch to compare it to Dragon Ball... And as far as realism goes, Silat's weapons are all based on real, historical weapons (from India, see this thread), so I'd like to know exactly what's so unrealistic about them.
Frog said:Yeah, the thing is, if Silat wasn't describing it every step of the way, I might not be able to follow what was going on! So it is sort of necessary for such complex action scenes, but it still bugs me. Maybe I wouldn't mind it if they just had Silat thinking all these things, rather than shouting them at Guts. Or maybe I just prefer my action scenes animated.
Frog said:That's pretty much what I meant! I didn't really enjoy the Guts/Silat fight that much, so I preferred the anime version where he fought the nobodies.
Frog said:Yeah, I guess the Dragonball comparison is a bit much, it's just that I haven't seen/read much anime/manga besides Berserk to compare it to.
Frog said:The part that didn't feel realistic to me was how they stand around talking so much before and during the battle, I wasn't talking about the weapons. What really makes me cringe is how Silat will explain what he is doing, and then explain how Guts is avoiding it
Frog said:Yeah, the thing is, if Silat wasn't describing it every step of the way, I might not be able to follow what was going on! So it is sort of necessary for such complex action scenes, but it still bugs me.
Aazealh said:Yeah, and when the Hawks are depicted as being less than nobodies without Guts, including Casca.
Aazealh said:Well there's no real need to compare it to something else anyway.
Aazealh said:They don't talk that much actually, they mostly taunt each other while fighting (which has always been common on the battlefield), and Silat shows off when he "introduces" his weapons. It serves a double purpose like I said (a game of intimidation for Silat who as an exotic fighter acts overconfidently, with Guts not being fooled; and a convenient way of detailing the weapons to the readers for the author), and if you look closely, it's not like it lasts even a minute... Besides, Silat doesn't explain what he's doing, he just says that Guts can't avoid his attacks even with his great skill and that he should surrender, etc. Silat already knows that Guts is very strong, he lost the first time when he attacked him directly (relying on his strength/speed/agility). So this time he's trying to break Guts' confidence and destabilize him.
Aazealh said:Well you legitimize it yourself then, if you wouldn't understand the action without the dialogue explaining it. And if Miura hadn't put dialogue, I guess you would complain that it's too complicated to understand and that the fight should have been explained.
Aazealh said:I seriously don't think it's hard to get though, but it's different for everybody I guess.
Frog said:Well, that's really not the impression I got from the anime.
Frog said:It didn't seem necessary to add another super-powerful character to threaten them.
Frog said:It doesn't seem realistic to me that the two characters would stand there talking and posturing so much before the fight started.
Frog said:Actually I think Silat talks quite a bit!
Frog said:I can certainly see the reason it's there, but that doesn't change the fact that it pulls me out of the story. It feels more like the author speaking than the characters.
Frog said:Yeah, I'm just not very good at following action on the page.
Aazealh said:Since the anime is a watered down version of the manga, the "impression" you got from it doesn't really matter you know.
Aazealh said:Well, it seemed necessary to the author. Now, I hardly see how Silat is super-powerful, he's just skilled. Less than Guts, that is, but enough to lead a dangerous offensive against the weakened Band of the Hawks.
Aazealh said:You see the problem here is that I'm afraid you're not well placed to deem what's realistic or not in a fantasy manga where the main character fights monsters with a sword that's impossible to wield.
Aazealh said:And you say the talk bother you, but there's quite a bit of talking going on during the one hundred man slaying scene, even in the anime, where Guts goes on about his sword, etc. Does that also bother you?
Aazealh said:Concerning the "one-on-one standoffs", I guess you didn't pay enough attention to it... The manga has more detailed melee and battle scenes in general, I recommend you to check it again.
Aazealh said:There's a dynamic in this, if you can't see it without moving picture it's too bad for you, but there still is one.
Aazealh said:That's your own problem unfortunately, I don't see how it's supposed to look like the author is speaking. Maybe you should try reading harder, or imagine that they're speaking while moving, I don't know.