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Was Mozgus an apostle or really a devoted servant
« on: July 17, 2002, 01:21:58 PM »
I am just curious on whether mazgus was an apostel/servant of god. There were no evidence of the egg so most likely a very devoted servant of god? but whats up with his face and form ??? his face is like a square and his form...well it doesnt resemble an angel from god i guess....he did shed feathers when he fell...
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2002, 02:13:32 PM »
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I am just curious on whether mazgus was an apostel/servant of god. There were no evidence of the egg so most likely a very devoted servant of god? but whats up with his face and form ??? his face is like a square and his form...well it doesnt resemble an angel from god i guess....he did shed feathers when he fell...

Hes' classified as an apostle-spawn. Just as Roshinu's insect-men were spawns of apostles, so is Mozgus, and the goatman. Mozgus has different forms and is rather more powerful because hes a religious zealot, and well... hes pretty big.
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2002, 04:49:01 PM »
Walter is right (of course), you can see the "egg" apostle reaching for Mozgus with some kind of tendrils in page 8 and 9 of Volume 20 right before Mozgus seems to defeat the darkness and grow wings.
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2002, 05:33:13 PM »
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Hes' classified as an apostle-spawn. Just as Roshinu's insect-men were spawns of apostles, so is Mozgus, and the goatman. Mozgus has different forms and is rather more powerful because hes a religious zealot, and well... hes pretty big.


Is that the cause of his strange appearance?  I always thought it had to do with the whole "banging his head into the floor" thing.  Just curious.  ???
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2002, 06:58:39 PM »
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Is that the cause of his strange appearance?  I always thought it had to do with the whole "banging his head into the floor" thing.  Just curious.  ???

That's why he looks weird, yes, from banging his head on the ground. But in chapters 167-170, Mozgus turns into a Demi-Apostle (what I normally call Apostle-spawns). After that he looks like a flying turd: Brown and chunky.
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2002, 08:50:47 PM »
but he has the same flat face.

and rants about how god gave him this form. and who spawned him and those other freaks. They all had wings too.
His servants.
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2002, 09:49:49 PM »
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but he has the same flat face.

and rants about how god gave him this form. and who spawned him and those other freaks. They all had wings too.
His servants.

??? What are you getting at?
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2002, 11:39:16 AM »
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That's why he looks weird, yes, from banging his head on the ground. But in chapters 167-170, Mozgus turns into a Demi-Apostle (what I normally call Apostle-spawns). After that he looks like a flying turd: Brown and chunky.


I like that, nice description Walter.  :D

Anyhow, thanks for the info, I *really* need to catch up on the manga.
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2002, 02:24:12 PM »
Ok, so Mazgus was a semi-apostel but then why was he helping the people that were in danger from the imminent eclipse?

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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2002, 02:56:24 PM »
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Ok, so Mazgus was a semi-apostel but then why was he helping the people that were in danger from the imminent eclipse?

Just because hes a demi-apostle doesn't mean that he's evil. He was just granted supernatural powers by the Beherit-Apostle, probably to shake things up for Guts. Mozgus is still a priest at heart though, no matter how crazy he is.
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2002, 04:03:40 PM »
Religious zealots are pretty frikkin' evil if you ask me...
i mean, are they responsible for the Inquisition and Crusades??
but, of course, he thought he was good and Guts was pure evil, so i guess he was justified in some way and wasnt so evil??









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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2002, 01:21:25 AM »
I think the key here is that Mozgus, like his followers, thought that God, not the Beherit-Apostle, had made him an angel - Mozgus, as with 'the great devil' (Satyr-Demi Apostle), seems to have been none to aware as to what caused his tranformation.

As Walt says, Mozgus, still being Mozgus, continued to protect 'his flock'.

On a bit of an aside, where's Olivier when you need him!?  I'm sure that he could dismiss all of these queries with a few short words... ;)
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2002, 06:46:50 AM »
The other guys with him had wings also before Guts killed them all. They all sprouted wings and flew around.
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2002, 07:42:23 AM »
Was there a Beherit-Apostle anywhere near them perchance!?
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2002, 08:06:24 AM »
Ya you got a point there. maybe Guts is the evil one  ;)... After all griffith havent lifted a finger to kill any innocents (yet)  after the eclipse. ...
Just out of curiosity, how come griffith isnt satisfied (or maybe we dont know that) after getting his sso desired castle?
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2002, 04:26:14 PM »
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Just out of curiosity, how come griffith isnt satisfied (or maybe we dont know that) after getting his sso desired castle?

He doesnt have it yet. He's very close, but don't worry. I'm sure Miura will bring us there for the main event when it rolls around. Im guessing 10 or so more chapters, maybe less.
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Re: was Mazgus an apostel or really a devoted serv
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2002, 12:30:00 AM »
10 chapters?

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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2002, 04:33:26 AM »
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10 chapters?

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Re: Was Mozgus an apostel or really a devoted servant
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2008, 11:37:19 PM »
I just got done re-reading that and I confess, I consider this thing a huge fake-out.  I could have sworn that the weird appearance of Mozgus was the result of him being "secretly" an apostle the entire time.  Of course, the irony is that he's just stark raving nuts.  While he's a religious zealot and a mass murderer, he's also got his charming side too.

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Re: Was Mozgus an apostel or really a devoted servant
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2008, 12:21:59 AM »
I don't see why you needed to bring this thread up since the last post was back in 2002.

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2008, 12:28:27 AM »
I don't see why you needed to bring this thread up since the last post was back in 2002.

This may shock you....I just read the manga for it yesterday.

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Re: Was Mozgus an apostel or really a devoted servant
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2008, 12:41:07 AM »
Not sure what you mean by fake-out. But yeah I'm not sure why, but many people seem to get confused and miss the pages where the Beherit-Apostle quite clearly stabs Mozgus and his disciples. Moz even starts foaming at the mouth afterwards.

He's a unique case, since he truly believes what he's doing is good, and is even supported by the people to an extent.

PS: I moved the thread from Current Episodes. Not sure why it was there in the first place, but that was back in 2002 - SKnet's lawless, maverick days.
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Re: Was Mozgus an apostel or really a devoted servant
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2008, 12:44:50 AM »
Not sure what you mean by fake-out. But yeah I'm not sure why, but many people seem to get confused and miss the pages where the Beherit-Apostle quite clearly stabs Mozgus and his disciples. Moz even starts foaming at the mouth afterwards.

Actually I missed that my first read through. I don't think I noticed the nipple shaped needles stabbing him, I just figured the Beherit-Apostle did something else.

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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2008, 01:23:04 AM »
I think it's mostly a case of them being so freaky to begin with that we assume there's something funny going on them the first time.

Actually, I was always confused what the Beherit-Apostle was.  "The Egg of the World" and all that.

Is that meant to be Reborn Griffith's natal form?

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Re: Was Mozgus an apostel or really a devoted servant
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2008, 01:28:01 AM »
Actually, I was always confused what the Beherit-Apostle was.  "The Egg of the World" and all that.

Is that meant to be Reborn Griffith's natal form?

Not sure what you're confused about. I mean, he's an apostle like the rest, the biggest difference being he sacrificed the world in exchange for a new one.

He has an entire backstory in volume 20. He's more explicitly explained than any other apostle. He took the demon child inside him that became the vessel for Griffith (not entirely unlike how Ganishka's apostle chamber works in principle, now that I mention it... But this is shaky ground for a theory ).
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