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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2002, 01:44:29 AM »
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I don't think there's any (not according to this episode anyway).
But this episode hints at a possible connection we hadn't suspected between Guts' Beherit and _one particular_ Elf.

Yeah, i noticed that too on the left-most panel on pageOHYEAHNOONEHASTHISCHAPTERBUTPUELLA...!
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2002, 01:52:06 AM »
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Yeah, i noticed that too on the left-most panel on pageOHYEAHNOONEHASTHISCHAPTERBUTPUELLA...!

I'm just saying Flora gives Guts a lecture about how Beherits "know" who their "real owners" (those who will use it) are.
And just at that moment, there's a weird 2-pannel gag with Puck yelling to get "his Betty" back...

Maybe it's more "Puck's Beherit" than "Guts' one", after all...
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2002, 02:01:25 AM »
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I'm just saying Flora gives Guts a lecture about how Beherits "know" who their "real owners" (those who will use it) are.
And just at that moment, there's a weird 2-pannel gag with Puck yelling to get "his Betty" back...

Maybe it's more "Puck's Beherit" than "Guts' one", after all...

Wow... I totally never thought of that before. The whole Puck/Betty thing. I always figured it was just for comic relief. Good call.
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2002, 02:35:41 AM »
What does puck have to sacrifice?

Guts maybe? But he's already branded.
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2002, 02:49:29 AM »
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And just at that moment, there's a weird 2-pannel gag with Puck yelling to get "his Betty" back...

Maybe it's more "Puck's Beherit" than "Guts' one", after all...

Was it Betty? I thought it's "badge" because it is put "betchi(?)" in Japanese. I got it confused. :-X

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Yeah, i noticed that too on the left-most panel on pageOHYEAHNOONEHASTHISCHAPTERBUTPUELLA...!

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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2002, 03:24:50 AM »
There was a parody in what Puck agitates himself in Guts' pouch, activates the Beherith and the two of them find themselves in front of Phempt, with astonishement of all three: I don't remember who the author was. Maybe Miura himself? Anyway you have to remember that the Beherit, by himself doesn't prompt to a sacrifice, it simply evokes the Godhand and open a extradimensional door. In other words it could be used also from someone who wants to face the five Godhands in a last desperate battle
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2002, 06:53:30 AM »
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What does puck have to sacrifice?

Isidro? Evarella?

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In other words it could be used also from someone who wants to face the five Godhands in a last desperate battle

But Flora explains it's not that simple: Guts can't decide to use the Beherit "just like that".


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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2002, 08:53:53 AM »
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I'm just saying Flora gives Guts a lecture about how Beherits "know" who their "real owners" (those who will use it) are.
And just at that moment, there's a weird 2-pannel gag with Puck yelling to get "his Betty" back...

Maybe it's more "Puck's Beherit" than "Guts' one", after all...


Ok, you guys remember when Guts first noticed Griffiths Beherit, remember how it's eye opened when Guts held it to look at it closer. I don't think that happens everyday or to just anyone. I wonder if that Beherit ever opened its eye(s) at Griffith. Griffith said something to Guts like "it almost looks alive doesnt it"....now that doesnt mean it did open its eye or made any sort of movement towards Griffith. And way back in Volume 2, pg 28, in Vargas' lab, Guts Beherit opens its eye when Puck was leaning against it...

Were there any other times a Beherit opened its eye(s), when blood doesnt touch it ofcourse.

Also, what are the chances that the old fortune teller Griffith got his Beherit was infact Flora....
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2002, 09:48:19 AM »
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Also, what are the chances that the old fortune teller Griffith got his Beherit was infact Flora....

Doubtful... Flora isn't a fortune-teller, and she obviously doesn't like Beherits...
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2002, 10:20:39 AM »
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Doubtful... Flora isn't a fortune-teller, and she obviously doesn't like Beherits...


Perhaps she's not one by profession,  but maybe she was disguised as one.
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2002, 11:53:32 AM »
but what would be her motive? why would she risk giving Griffith the Beherit if she knew what would happen?
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2002, 12:23:25 PM »
Maybe she saw promise in Griffith and thought he can bring some change to the world and that he would do good things. Realizing her mistake, maybe she is trying to put a stop to it in subtle ways. Maybe thats why she taught Schierke to wield powerful magic and made her join Guts. Just maybe....

.....Hey!!! Thats a whole lot of maybes.... :D
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2002, 01:50:52 PM »
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I don't understand quite well what importance of Flora is :-/


Maybe Fauna has more importance :-/
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2002, 02:03:55 PM »
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Perhaps she's not one by profession,  but maybe she was disguised as one.

_Why_?
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2002, 02:14:07 PM »
The last explanations are not explanations at all because what Flora says are basically things that everyone, more or less, knew or suspected. Also her description of the spirit world really tell us nothing that could change our way to see the Berserk universe. So why Miura is wasting three issue  to take us nowhere? WHat he is really planning?
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2002, 02:32:32 PM »
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The last explanations are not explanations at all because what Flora says are basically things that everyone, more or less, knew or suspected. Also her description of the spirit world really tell us nothing that could change our way to see the Berserk universe. So why Miura is wasting three issue  to take us nowhere? WHat he is really planning?

I concur. it's exactly what I meant above. 8)
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2002, 04:32:02 PM »
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WHat he is really planning?



Maybe he doesn't know it himself and is still working on the Berserk story?
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2002, 07:29:36 PM »
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What does puck have to sacrifice?

Guts maybe? But he's already branded.


His hometown, Elfhelm would probably make a very good sacrifice...especially if Guts should have left Casca there. :o

Evil Puck... I just can't imagine it...
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2002, 10:59:59 PM »
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Maybe she saw promise in Griffith and thought he can bring some change to the world and that he would do good things. Realizing her mistake, maybe she is trying to put a stop to it in subtle ways. Maybe thats why she taught Schierke to wield powerful magic and made her join Guts. Just maybe....

.....Hey!!! Thats a whole lot of maybes.... :D

Wasn't the old woman just Conrad + Ubik? at least in the anime..
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2002, 11:39:54 PM »
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Wasn't the old woman just Conrad + Ubik? at least in the anime..

Err... during the eclipse, but were talking about the original old lady.
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2002, 08:58:09 AM »
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I'm just saying Flora gives Guts a lecture about how Beherits "know" who their "real owners" (those who will use it) are.
And just at that moment, there's a weird 2-pannel gag with Puck yelling to get "his Betty" back...

Maybe it's more "Puck's Beherit" than "Guts' one", after all...
I am very worried about the "his Betty" part.And to think that Miura did  give to Puck a real she-elf ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2002, 11:57:26 AM »
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Wasn't the old woman just Conrad + Ubik? at least in the anime..  


Err... during the eclipse, but were talking about the original old lady.


i thought it might've been more than just a simple rememberance as well. for one thing, the fortune teller knew
1) the name of the artifact, 2) its correct function, 3) the requirements necessary to perform its function.
pretty detailed knowledge. i've run into plenty of sales reps who couldn't match that level of product knowledge. in short, it's a bit fishy & i always assumed, from the above points, that it very well might've been conrad/ubik, or someone at least under very direct godhand influence (like slann's head priest during the infamous orgy). so yeah, i don't think it's all that unlikely of an assumption.
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2002, 04:55:00 PM »
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Err... during the eclipse, but were talking about the original old lady.

And I don't even know why you're assuming the old lady of the Occultation is based on the one who gave Griffith his Beherit...
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2002, 05:29:36 PM »
Agreed, there must be different grannies in Berserk.
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Re: Episode 202
« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2002, 09:52:30 PM »
If I understand well someone is speaking about a "Granny" in the anime and others in the Manga? We should keep separate the two (the anime and the manga) because they are not the same thing, like Puck (that in the anime is interpreted by the fantastic four invisible girl) well knows ;D without considering the fact that the anime WAS NOT WRITTEN BY MIURA that is only quoted in the end titles how the author of the original manga from that the anime was taken
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