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Episode 192
« on: December 13, 2001, 05:38:32 AM »
So I picked up my 192 today along with some Pocky and a Pepsi, and went  through it (but there was a heck of a lot of kanji, so expect some parts to be off).  
  It starts with a really nice full color page picture with it saying vol.22 12/19, I hope this is the cover as it is basically a picture of all of Griffiths new crew with him in the middle, everyone else is colored brown/tanish with Griffith being all white.  Very nice indeed.
  The chapter starts of with the battlefield that the last one left off, you get retarted looking general #43, signaling his troops that if they don't want to die, they need to attack.  Then they go and fight a bunch of kinghts with the kid from last chapter (muresama) and his band of fighters on the knights side.  The kid kills one of the other side's fighters and the fighters mask falls off and the kid is shocked that it's not a Cushaan, but a Midland person.  The battle then ensues for a few more pages and Mulesama and his group are about to get killed by 4 guys on horses, and then suddenly 4 arrows takes all their heads off, and he looks back and sees in the distance a bunch of archers (including one with a demon-bow that shoots 4 arrows at a time, don't know if he'll be a main Griffith-guy or not).  After taking off some more heads with his arrows, the whole army looks back to see, a 2page spread of the main knights of griffiths army including some freaky looking helmet designs.  They then pursue to rush down the hill with Zodd in the lead, slaughtering tons of people for a couple of pages.  And yes, from the looks of it, the army is made of up all of demons (the crazy dog demons, with swords horizontally in their mouth that runs around cutting the feet off everything are scary-looking).  After the slaughter the retarded looking general #43 and is even less intelligent side-general look up to see the knight army (which I'm guessing is Midland, being led by Griffith, Mulesama says "that is...", cut to a 1 page picture of Griffiths face behind the mask, and then another add for vol.22.

One thing I got confused about this is, is the mulesama kid and his posse part of the midland army?  Or are they a 3rd group involved in the battle who are helping the Midland army?
Also less of a question and just an observation, it's strange how the demon army appears and is led by Zodd, but when Griffith appears he is leading the human army of Midland.  Does this go back to the Hawk of light foreseeing from waay back?

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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2001, 08:03:34 AM »
Thanks again!!

Just as Guts says to Zodd in the DC game, "planning on raising an army of monsters!"....very cool!!

It would really surprise me too see if Griffith will risk being known as the leader of monsters, because he would not seem so enlightening as the heralded "Hawk of Light". But then again...he IS after his dream and he won't give a shit what others think as long as he gets what he wants and using any means possible to boot.



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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2001, 08:24:16 AM »
Actually that's kind of why I think he was shown leading the humans, instead of charging with Zodd and the monsters.  This way, people can still see him as the "Hawk of Light" and he can have his evil demon posse do all the underhand work behind the scenes.

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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2001, 01:00:44 PM »
So Zodd is like Guts was before, leading the "Neo-Raiding Team" type folks...
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2001, 02:00:06 PM »

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So I picked up my 192 today along with some Pocky and a Pepsi, and went  through it (but there was a heck of a lot of kanji, so expect some parts to be off).  
 It starts with a really nice full color page picture with it saying vol.22 12/19, I hope this is the cover as it is basically a picture of all of Griffiths new crew with him in the middle, everyone else is colored brown/tanish with Griffith being all white.  Very nice indeed.
 The chapter starts of with the battlefield that the last one left off, you get retarted looking general #43, signaling his troops that if they don't want to die, they need to attack.  Then they go and fight a bunch of kinghts with the kid from last chapter (muresama) and his band of fighters on the knights side.  The kid kills one of the other side's fighters and the fighters mask falls off and the kid is shocked that it's not a Cushaan, but a Midland person.  The battle then ensues for a few more pages and Mulesama and his group are about to get killed by 4 guys on horses, and then suddenly 4 arrows takes all their heads off, and he looks back and sees in the distance a bunch of archers (including one with a demon-bow that shoots 4 arrows at a time, don't know if he'll be a main Griffith-guy or not).  After taking off some more heads with his arrows, the whole army looks back to see, a 2page spread of the main knights of griffiths army including some freaky looking helmet designs.  They then pursue to rush down the hill with Zodd in the lead, slaughtering tons of people for a couple of pages.  And yes, from the looks of it, the army is made of up all of demons (the crazy dog demons, with swords horizontally in their mouth that runs around cutting the feet off everything are scary-looking).  After the slaughter the retarded looking general #43 and is even less intelligent side-general look up to see the knight army (which I'm guessing is Midland, being led by Griffith, Mulesama says "that is...", cut to a 1 page picture of Griffiths face behind the mask, and then another add for vol.22.

One thing I got confused about this is, is the mulesama kid and his posse part of the midland army?  Or are they a 3rd group involved in the battle who are helping the Midland army?
Also less of a question and just an observation, it's strange how the demon army appears and is led by Zodd, but when Griffith appears he is leading the human army of Midland.  Does this go back to the Hawk of light foreseeing from waay back?

--bebpo


Thanks for your post! Still don't know what to make of all this  but thanks!!
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2001, 07:39:32 PM »

Thanks alot!!   :D  And I'll be anticipating Volume 22.   :o

Hmm the story is building up!  just can't wait until this thing blowws up!  very excited.

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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2001, 09:22:21 PM »

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So Zodd is like Guts was before, leading the "Neo-Raiding Team" type folks...


i guess so.
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2001, 05:37:39 AM »
wow cool...
i can't wait to see how this battle is drawn
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2001, 12:38:47 AM »
Cool, thanks for the info, bebpo

A few (annoying) questions though…

What’s the Zodd-led Apostle army look like, any familiar faces, were any of Griffith’s prominent new recruits in a transformed state?

Was Rakshas among them?

What’s the demon bowman look like?

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P.S. God, I hope I can see this in color some day.
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2001, 01:58:23 AM »
Oi!

*grins* Look who's alive... *smiles at Griffith*  ;D

Agh, I wonder what the hell Griffith (the manga one) is up to... this is too exiting...
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2001, 02:30:29 AM »

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wow cool...
i can't wait to see how this battle is drawn

that's all I can say.
Chapter 192 is the essnetial scene of berserk.
It's a little bit boresome to me that there's been no fighting in the manga for a few chapters even though they are important.
192 reminds me of the Hawks as many guys said.
Well, it's like
the Hawks + devil things(or apostles) + no Guts?
but two men lost many good things like love and friendship.
Griffith is with only dream and Guts with only grudge.
So sad~
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2001, 04:31:01 AM »
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Was Rakshas among them?

Apparently not.

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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2001, 10:09:05 AM »

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P.S. God, I hope I can see this in color some day.


which one was going to be in color? hey Giffith how did you escape from my doungen of no return ???
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2001, 10:40:47 AM »
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which one was going to be in color?

There are no "color episodes", just "color pages". And lately, it's _one_ color page only.
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2001, 10:46:54 AM »

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There are no "color episodes", just "color pages". And lately, it's _one_ color page only.


*sarcasim* oh cool that has to be alsome a whole page in color jippy!!!!
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2001, 12:51:03 PM »
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oh cool that has to be alsome a whole page in color jippy!!!!

And it may become the cover for volume 23 anyway, so... ^_^;
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2001, 01:44:08 PM »
i thought miura didn't usually use pictures from the manga for the volume covers...
nonetheless, sounds like a neat chapter, even if it doesn't really advance the plot too much
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2001, 06:06:52 PM »
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i thought miura didn't usually use pictures from the manga for the volume covers...

Where did you hear that? 'Cause he does quite often. ^^;
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2001, 08:46:04 PM »
just from looking at the volume covers & not recognizing the pictures from the manga. guess it's just me being unobservant.
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2001, 12:55:33 PM »

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just from looking at the volume covers & not recognizing the pictures from the manga. guess it's just me being unobservant.


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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2001, 08:06:59 PM »
Okay, I had written probably about a 3000 word reply before I left for dinner, only to come home having found my sister close the window that I was typing everything, but it's for the better so I can sum it up in a readable reply.

1) Watching the anime over after I bought that DVD boxset, I noticed a few things I didn't remember from the first time.  Guts doesnt want to be in the Hawks at first, later admires Griffith for saving him and being so thoughtful of his teammates, but later finds himself hating Griffith for seeing that it wasn't care for his team as it was more making sure his dream comes true.  Three scenes struck me in the first half of  the eps: Zodd's first fight, foretelling Guts' death if he stays with Griffith; Griffith telling Charolette the Hawks aren't his friends, just people helping his dream and that the only friend he could have is one that is his equal; and lastly, Guts killing the prince-to-be and realizing that Griffith wasn't as pure as he thought.

2) The new Hawks I don't understand.  The scene where Guts imagines Zodd having killed the boy parallels that Guts is the Zodd type character.  They are both monsters that will take anyone down.  They both have a dream: Zodd wants to find the greatest fighter on Earth and, I think, Guts' dream is to love and protect Casca.  Think about it... right after he realizes Griffith is a sham, him and Casca become romantically involved.  At anyrate, you think it's possible Guts becomes a Zodd type character, like his hatred for Griffith and want to destroy would let him take a Beherit and become an apostle so that he can destroy Griffith and Godhand?  I thought at first this sounds outrageous, but like Griffith said, you have to do whatever is necessary to reach your dream.  So then it comes full circle... Griffith and Zodd vs. Skully and Guts.  So then they keep fighting until it happens again and we get two other heroes.  Maybe not, hopefully Miura will try to sum it up sometime in the future.

3) I have no clue where anything is heading.  That was my new theory after rethinking everything that's gone on lately.  In my mind, this had to do with earlier posts in this section, but it doesn't seem to now, but oh well, tell me what you think about my idea.
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2001, 02:46:17 AM »
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just from looking at the volume covers & not recognizing the pictures from the manga. guess it's just me being unobservant.


Proof:
I believe you already know this one:
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2001, 03:15:11 AM »
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Proof:
I believe you already know this one:

oHHHHH~ I can't wait!!
Now that Vol. 22 comes out in Japan in mid- December , will we be able to meet the manga at least by February?


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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2001, 03:51:25 AM »
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ugh... don't really like that picture... its seems "off" to me
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Re: 192 summary (spoilers as always)
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2001, 09:36:12 AM »
Yea, hmmmm they don't look proportioned, maybe the heads are too big....maybe it just that wierd pose that Guts is in.  It looks like he's gonna fall on his face.
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