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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2001, 08:21:20 AM »

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I`m gonna have to say that I also think the Dreamcast game`s story has already passed which is good.

Me too. Back in Chapter 184, the side of one of thepages mentioned that the DC game begins here. I think its well passed done, since they are now in winter. I had my suspicious before, but Serpico and Farnese confirm them.
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But I think the situation with Farnese is sort of reminiscent of what Griffith said to Folse after they killed the Queen. When you encounter something so powerful that it absolutely terrifies you you must either kill it or submit to it. In this case Farnese just accepted that Guts is the ultimate badass. Yay Guts!

Well...Farnese just wants to understand Guts; a person who stands against everything shes been taught, and yet is mysteriously the "good guy" as expressed by his actions in 165-175 (killing Mozgus/apostle, saving everyone from the demon blob). I think she just wants to understand him.
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2001, 10:12:57 AM »

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I`m gonna have to say that I also think the Dreamcast game`s story has already passed which is good. It resembled the early stories from Berserk and nothing really important happened besides Casca almost getting her memories back.


Actually, I don't think Niko at this point is even an Apostle...he becomes one in winter, and it's winter now. So...it will probably be much later in the story.
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2001, 11:23:42 AM »
It could have been LAST winter though...
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2001, 07:49:56 PM »
Oh? Then was the appearance of Niko in the manga a flashback?
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2001, 10:32:27 PM »
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Oh? Then was the appearance of Niko in the manga a flashback?

No, but it could have happened directly afterwards. Its the only explanation that makes sense, unless you want to delay the events of the DC game until next year (chronologically).

Plus, I dont think Miura would have mentioned that events in the DC game are "starting" in chapter 184 unless he really meant it. For when we next see Guts/Casca it is already winter....meaning while we saw Griffith and his army, Fall was going on/ending.
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2001, 10:51:43 PM »
plus... this is a stretch,  but that could not be THE niko.
as I recall the niko of the game was a bit older, seemed to be alone in the world and the other kids hate him.
This one's got a brother.

...just a what-if....
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2001, 11:31:36 PM »

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No, but it could have happened directly afterwards. Its the only explanation that makes sense, unless you want to delay the events of the DC game until next year (chronologically).

Plus, I dont think Miura would have mentioned that events in the DC game are "starting" in chapter 184 unless he really meant it. For when we next see Guts/Casca it is already winter....meaning while we saw Griffith and his army, Fall was going on/ending.


That actually makes a whole lot of sense. Of course Griffith could have been further south... but I don't think so. Nope, I think that the DC game has already happened. It was pretty self countained anyway, and I doubt that Miuora would be happy to rehash a story already done. Besides... Casca and Guts travel by walking and they have to walk a long time to get anywhere... I don't think that Elfhelm is exactly close to the centers of civilisation.

Sooo... I think that little box of text is all we saw of it.

*ponders* of course this statement means that I probably will be proven wrong in the next weeks or so...
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2001, 08:51:40 PM »
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plus... this is a stretch,  but that could not be THE niko.
as I recall the niko of the game was a bit older, seemed to be alone in the world and the other kids hate him.
This one's got a brother.

...just a what-if....


heh heh, i remember this coming up before...
but, the name "Niko" was mentioned kinda blatantly not to be him, wasnt it? it is a possibility that its a different Niko altogether, but i dont know why Miura would do that... :-/
besides, Miura could have changed his mind about the backstory of Niko since the game was made...
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2001, 08:45:16 AM »
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Me too. Back in Chapter 184, the side of one of thepages mentioned that the DC game begins here.

Not exactly, unfortunately... It said something like "the following events will be linked to the Dreamcast game". That could mean several things, and not necessarily "the Dreamcast game begins now"... ^^;
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I think its well passed done, since they are now in winter.

But it looks like it already was winter or so when Guts visited Godot (before and after his death), so...
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It could have been LAST winter though...

What do you mean? ^^;
'Cause we know that Albion isn't that far from Godot's (volume 17), and I doubt Guts would realize how hard it is to protect somebody a whole year after they left Godot's?...

Anyway, I guess the Dreamcast game could have happened, yeah... Especially since I think Balzac's story was foreshadowing about how hard it would be for Guts to stay with Casca, and he's beginning to understand that right now...
But there's just that season thing... And that "Niko"...

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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2001, 10:49:47 AM »

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But it looks like it already was winter or so when Guts visited Godot (before and after his death), so...

Chapter 188 is "Winter Journey" which is about as blatant a confirmation about what season it is that im not even going to go into it. Now, on Godo's mountain...thats not necessarily a confirmation of what season it is since they were on a mountain. For instance, directly after the events on Godo's mountain (griffiths actions against Kushans) it is definitely not winter, more likely very close to the end of autumn.
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2001, 03:16:27 PM »
it doesn't snow in the desert.

Then again, I suppose it didn;t nessesarily have to take place in a desert, but i assumed it did.

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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2001, 04:56:53 PM »
Oh, and one final note. Serpico stops Isidro by throwing a big hunk of wood at his legs just like he did to Guts in volume 17.
What a cool guy!
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2001, 11:04:15 PM »
man I can't wait for this book to come out :)
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2001, 09:42:49 AM »
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Chapter 188 is "Winter Journey" which is about as blatant a confirmation about what season it is that im not even going to go into it.

Well, yeah, of course? ^_^;
I just think the whole "Seitansai no Shô" in Albion took place in Winter...
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Now, on Godo's mountain...thats not necessarily a confirmation of what season it is since they were on a mountain.

But was it snowing there during the flashbacks of volumes 10 and 11? Or just after the Occultation, in volume 13 and 14? ^^;
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For instance, directly after the events on Godo's mountain (griffiths actions against Kushans) it is definitely not winter, more likely very close to the end of autumn.

Well, I think it could be Winter... ^^;

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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2001, 10:15:20 AM »
hmm... must.. .wait... patiently.
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2001, 03:01:45 PM »
i just got to wonderin...
how come when Guts was "attacking" Casca she didnt have a flashback of the eclipse and freak out?
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2001, 05:27:45 PM »

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i just got to wonderin...
how come when Guts was "attacking" Casca she didnt have a flashback of the eclipse and freak out?


Like every other time she`s nearly been raped? This was about Guts` transformation and I think it`s safe to say that Casca was having that flashback, but it wasn`t important to show it when compared with the scary ass Guts vision. Holy fucking shit!
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2001, 07:54:03 AM »


is there an actual translation of 190 posted somewhere?  Yall talking about 190 as though you've read it.  Did i miss a  translation of 190?  i want i want(my ID going berserk)!!!
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2001, 10:54:06 AM »

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is there an actual translation of 190 posted somewhere?  Yall talking about 190 as though you've read it.  Did i miss a  translation of 190?  i want i want(my ID going berserk)!!!
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he lives in japan...
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2001, 01:46:18 AM »

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he lives in japan...

Yep, and tomorrow morning I`m going to walk to the Seven Eleven down the hill and read episode 191.
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2001, 02:51:22 AM »

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Yep, and tomorrow morning I`m going to walk to the Seven Eleven down the hill and read episode 191.



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AAARRRGGGHHHHH!!! Envy!

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Please tell us quickly anyway... *nods*
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2001, 01:59:06 PM »
I live in NYC!!   :P***
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2001, 05:37:20 AM »
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Re: 190 !!!!!!
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2001, 09:51:40 PM »

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Just to clarify Casca did not run away crying and in fact was unconscious when Guts was trying to eat her(Holy Fuck that was intense.).

I've seen the whole 190 chapter just now.
Now i can totally understand you thoogh didn't catch what you said at first. that was so intense!!
Casca couldn't run away exactly!! Guts really tried to eat her!! :o :o :o
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