I'd like to give Serpico (the user) a chance to rebuttal against all the allegations made in the 282 thread. So here's the gist of what has been said already.
LEGENDARY HERO!
VS
BLBLARGLHE!!
Here are some PMs Serpico has sent me regarding this topic:
[quote author=Serpico]
Currently I am interested to see Griffiths abilities like everyone else in the thread, the Serpico vs Griffith thing was just a repricussion from the possibilities of what Griffith does next vs Ganishka. Maybe only I care if it is viable on this board but I know plenty of Berserk fans personally who are interested in that too.
I dont want to do an entire thread but to answer your question quickly Serpico fared better against an even stronger Guts than Casca, Griffith, Silat, Boscogne, Boscogne's brother (forgot his name) and even Azan which you mentioned. Serpico brought down Guts effortlessly when Azan failed in the same battle. Its not hard to speculate there are probably a hundred other like Azan who Serpico is more skilled than; taking into account the addition of his magic there is really no question he is on a higher level (He deflected Ganishka attacks!). The others you mentioned are apostles so who knows but I'm pretty sure Grunbeld can defeat Serpico even in human form if you wanna know. What he and Griffith have in common is speed, prescision, ruthlessness, size, and a wonderfull evil eye. We both know it is more than just the fact that they kill people fast. [/quote]
[quote author=Serpico]
Ahhh, well, I think Guts, Grunbeld, Zodd, Locus, Skullknight, Schierke, Flora, the elf King, Ganishka, Griffith, the Godhand, and probably most of the apostles, maybe 80% or so, are above Serpico (Even some human guys like that Rhino General Guts fought). Maybe it comes across otherwise. I like that people do die in Berserk, and I like the tension it creates. The thing is Serpico vs an apostle or Griffith would be exciting because of how vulnerable he is by comparison. I would like to see him struggle just like I like to see Guts struggle. I am never tense Guts will die though for obvious reasons. I'm not implying I would like to see it cause he would win. I want to see it cause if cool.[/quote]
Serpico said:Well, despite that fact he is actually a more skilled fighter than most every legendary hero in the Berserk universe I am definitely not saying he would or even could win. I think the reasons I want to see them spar are obvious though. Their styles match; appear before the enemy swiftly and behead him in a clean stroke by the time he sets eyes on you. Serpico's human ability is superior to Griffith's, and Silat's. With his control of the wind growing as well and his speed with it, I don't think its any strech to say he could cross blades with Griffith longer than anyone other than Guts or some of the stronger apostles. I also see Serpico as the most likely character to be completely impervious to Griffiths charms. Even if it means he must die, I want to see that fight happen.
Walter said:I'm not getting into this again. I really think your username and obcession with Serpico just maybe, now bear with me, MAAAAAY BE clouding your objective judgement here.
How do you know he's more skilled than "most every legendary hero"? Did you see him fight with Locus, Grunbeld, Gaiseric, Azan, AOLSIER, Zodd, Griffith or Skull Knight? No? Well, add onto that that Serpico uses a rapier, Griffith uses a sabre. So... what do they have in common again? Oh yeah, they both kill people fast. Just like Guts then, yeah?
Future comments on this subject should be addressed in a new thread. You can even quote what was said here so you don't have to start from scratch. I just don't want these hypothetical VS concepts crapping up the new episodes thread.
Serpico said:Aaz I already answered Walter in a note since he asked not to continue the discussion here. I will cite them to you as well in a note if you like. Can't exactly agree my next statement is "ridiculously biased and unfounded" since I have seen Griffith, Silat, and Serpico each fight Guts multiple times. Its pretty well founded.
"Griffith No More!" said:Whoops, Serpico debate in full swing! Who needs a new thread, wasn't Serpico in this episode? Well, Griffith was, and he's only Serpico 1.0, the inferior prototype. Miura's practice project for the TRUE overlord; by showing us that loser Griff's shortcomings, he reveals to us the greatness of Serpico! =)
Anyway, I'll concede Serpico being the most skilled fighter ever of all time, why he could cross blades with the "untouchable" one as long as anybody (which might just be a tie for 0.0 seconds), if you can explain why he's likely the most "completely impervious" to Griff's supernatural charms? I mean, Guts seemed pretty resistant before, with good reason, and Schierke knows the score too, so far Skull Knight hasn't bowed down either. I just don't see how Serp is a more qualified candidate to resist, especially since he already knows Griffith by his fame and expressed admiration. I mean, I guess what you're basically saying is he's above God on Earth, right? Bigger than Jesus? Yeah, sounds like a fair and balanced assessment of his character to me, especially when he can avoid being hit by Makara snot.
"Griffith No More!" said:Anyway, I'd really like to hear what facts I, Aaz, and Wally don't know that demonstrate that Serpico is definitively better than Griffith or Silat was. Considering that Griffith defeated Guts outright once and managed to severe Zodd's arm, and Silat has tangled with Guts twice on an even playing field, and his talents are more versatile if not more skillful (how would Serpico deal with his projectiles for example?). Oh yeah, and Silat can catch arrows out of mid-air, but I guess that's talent, not skill, right? =)
Basically, there's no facts that definitively prove anything here. But personally, I'd rate regular old Griffith ahead of Silat and Serpico, because he managed to do something to Zodd only Skull Knight has duplicated, his only defeats came at the hands of Zodd and Guts, and because of his overall demonstrated formidability (I think people tend to forget this and remember how things ended for him). As for Serpico to Silat, I certainly don't think one could say Serpico is measurably better with any authority, especially since it's hard to directly compare them. And honestly, I think that's because Serpico is somewhat physically overmatched, as he is with Guts.
"Griffith No More!" said:
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LEGENDARY HERO!
VS
BLBLARGLHE!!
Here are some PMs Serpico has sent me regarding this topic:
[quote author=Serpico]
Currently I am interested to see Griffiths abilities like everyone else in the thread, the Serpico vs Griffith thing was just a repricussion from the possibilities of what Griffith does next vs Ganishka. Maybe only I care if it is viable on this board but I know plenty of Berserk fans personally who are interested in that too.
I dont want to do an entire thread but to answer your question quickly Serpico fared better against an even stronger Guts than Casca, Griffith, Silat, Boscogne, Boscogne's brother (forgot his name) and even Azan which you mentioned. Serpico brought down Guts effortlessly when Azan failed in the same battle. Its not hard to speculate there are probably a hundred other like Azan who Serpico is more skilled than; taking into account the addition of his magic there is really no question he is on a higher level (He deflected Ganishka attacks!). The others you mentioned are apostles so who knows but I'm pretty sure Grunbeld can defeat Serpico even in human form if you wanna know. What he and Griffith have in common is speed, prescision, ruthlessness, size, and a wonderfull evil eye. We both know it is more than just the fact that they kill people fast. [/quote]
[quote author=Serpico]
Ahhh, well, I think Guts, Grunbeld, Zodd, Locus, Skullknight, Schierke, Flora, the elf King, Ganishka, Griffith, the Godhand, and probably most of the apostles, maybe 80% or so, are above Serpico (Even some human guys like that Rhino General Guts fought). Maybe it comes across otherwise. I like that people do die in Berserk, and I like the tension it creates. The thing is Serpico vs an apostle or Griffith would be exciting because of how vulnerable he is by comparison. I would like to see him struggle just like I like to see Guts struggle. I am never tense Guts will die though for obvious reasons. I'm not implying I would like to see it cause he would win. I want to see it cause if cool.[/quote]