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Does this have any significance?
« on: August 13, 2002, 03:34:35 AM »
Berserk volume 16, chapter 8. Guts has beaten Roshinu and the Skull Knight is walking through the aftermath of the fight, he says something about Guts to the effect of (as far as I can tell with the translations I have):

"Can he continue to walk it as a man? Or will he..."

Now without finishing that sentence, Skull Knight then consumes a Beherit and the chapter flicks to Guts. After he recovers from the demons attack, Guts says (again, excuse the translation I have if its wrong):

"A beast, a monster?"
"I... am me. And nothing on this earth can change me"

Now, my question is, on that same page (below) one of the cells flicks to a Beherit Guts has in his pack for no good reason... does that have any significance?




Sorry if this question has been covered before, I'm new  ;D
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"Good and evil. Evil isn't just malice - murder and rape and massacre. Before everything the Devil is the father of lies - the lies you tell, the truths you don't tell. Everything hidden is theft. Everything reserved from those we love is fraud, and thereís always something, isn't there? Yet, what everyone wants is for evil people to be off somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds and so they can be separated from ordinary men and women and ultimately... destroyed. But the line that separates good and evil cuts through every human heart, and who is willing to destroy a piece of their own heart?"

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Re: Does this have any significance?
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2002, 03:56:08 AM »
OK, I've read afew more on the topics in this forum, and while the Skull Knight quote has been covered quite well (numerous times, sorry!) I didn't see anyone bring up that cell on that particular page.



By showing it, and then having Guts say nothing can change him, does it debunk any though of Guts using a Beherit?

Is it suggesting that it could change Guts? Suggesting the Beherit to be "not of this world"?

Or does the Beherit have some connection to Guts inner beast? For example while the red Beherit protected/save Griffith on afew occasions, could a Beherit have a negative influence if someone who is not destined to, (or a branded person) possesses it?


Anyway, I'm babbling. Whats your opinion? Significant?
"Good and evil. Evil isn't just malice - murder and rape and massacre. Before everything the Devil is the father of lies - the lies you tell, the truths you don't tell. Everything hidden is theft. Everything reserved from those we love is fraud, and thereís always something, isn't there? Yet, what everyone wants is for evil people to be off somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds and so they can be separated from ordinary men and women and ultimately... destroyed. But the line that separates good and evil cuts through every human heart, and who is willing to destroy a piece of their own heart?"

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Re: Does this have any significance?
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2002, 06:19:16 AM »
Well, I think that Guts will _never_ use the Beherit. It would be succumbing to that which he hates most.
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Re: Does this have any significance?
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2002, 08:29:38 AM »
If he does use the beherit, it'll probably be either triggered by chance (blood splatter or just extremely strong emotion)  or maybe he'll just go so crazy that he'll lose sight of what he hates and go ahead with it.  

But I have my doubts that he'll use the beherit at all.
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Re: Does this have any significance?
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2002, 10:52:15 AM »
Hmm, with the amount of blood Guts splatters, I wouldn't be surprised.  ;)
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Re: Does this have any significance?
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2002, 11:06:49 AM »
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Hmm, with the amount of blood Guts splatters, I wouldn't be surprised. †;)


Yeah, I'm surprised that he hasn't gotten his blood on it all this time.  But I guess that's causality for you.  :-X
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Re: Does this have any significance?
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2002, 11:20:10 AM »
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Yeah, I'm surprised that he hasn't gotten his blood on it all this time.

You don't use a Beherit by spilling blood on it.
Actually, you don't "use" a Beherit at all. ^^;
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Re: Does this have any significance?
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2002, 11:54:49 AM »
An interesting semi-on-topic point: Guts touching Griffith is what triggered the Crimson Beherit; an important detail thatís easily lost in the enormity of the situation.

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Re: Does this have any significance?
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2002, 12:21:29 PM »
Ah, I've been Hagued!

Thanks for the clarification.  :)
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Re: Does this have any significance?
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2002, 02:10:34 PM »
*has been Hagued* Whenever I think of Berserk now, my mind is clear. Sigh...

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