Jaze1618 said:Do you think he will see the band of the hawk and fight them one night or are they all in the vortex?
Jaze1618 said:Do you have to have dies recently do linger in the astral world?
Jaze1618 said:and do all souls go into the vortex or just the souls of ones who get involved with demons?
Darquenaut said:say for whatever reason the old Band of the Hawk did return, would we reallly want to see them become "enemies" (or spectral antagonists, or phantasms, or what have you) of Guts and crew? Honestly, I would think that would be a disservice to the memory a lot of us have for the characters. [...] Besides, does anyone want to see Judeau (Or Pippin or whoever was your personal favorite) coming back evil? That'd be a real pisser.
Aazealh said:Since when does what readers want matter though? Ignoring the fact that it's just not going to happen, or that specters don't have much in the way of personality and aren't very valuable enemies/characters when taken individually, having the captains of the old Band of the Hawk come back "changed" wouldn't be a big deal assuming it was done for a good reason and not just out of the blue. In fact it's already been done through a twist in the PS2 game (which makes it all the more unlikely to ever be featured in the manga), it's the focus of the non-canon part that was added specifically for the game (the side story with Charles).
Darquenaut said:But back on the topic/speculation on hand, and again heavy on the speculation here, even if the Band of the Hawk were to return as enemies/ specters/ whatever and haunted Guts for, let's say, an episode (and yes, I know how fan-ficcy that sounds, hence why it'll never happen, but regardless)- how much emotional gravitas would that even have anymore? I mean, for the reader, sure, but what of Guts perspective? I wouldn't believe he would forget about his former comrades, but would their presence even give him a moment's hesitation? He's been living through a constant hellish state for years now and being attacked by everything from possessed trees to wagon wheels to demon dogs to even a damn goat-man. Would the sight of a ghostly Gaston even give him pause? Again, I doubt that would even happen, and even if it did I honestly think it, if anything, would just piss Guts off.
Captain Napalm said:But the real question is, when Guts and the gang reaches the island, will he find his former Hawk comrades alive and well?!
Darquenaut said:It was a hypothetical situation Aaz- I really don't think having the Hawks return as specters (or whatever) would serve any purpose, I was just merely speculating and seeing if we could get any more input on the thread topic.
Darquenaut said:even if the Band of the Hawk were to return as enemies/ specters/ whatever and haunted Guts for, let's say, an episode (and yes, I know how fan-ficcy that sounds, hence why it'll never happen, but regardless)- how much emotional gravitas would that even have anymore?
Darquenaut said:what of Guts perspective? [...] Again, I doubt that would even happen, and even if it did I honestly think it, if anything, would just piss Guts off.
Captain Napalm said:I think seeing them wouldn't leave him unaffected, I think he might pause for even an instant but nothing more. In my most humble of opinions, I think he has seen too much shit to care about something as insignificant as the spectres of his fallen comrades too much.
Captain Napalm said:But the real question is, when Guts and the gang reaches the island, will he find his former Hawk comrades alive and well?!
Aazealh said:In 2003, Miura very clearly expressed his view on such a hypothetical event (reviving the dead members of the Band of the Hawk) by saying it would be "lame." I hope that answers your question.
Aazealh said:Not sure the thread needed much more input after Jaze1618's questions were answered, but anyway, were you really speculating on something other than the thread's topic? I mean, I was under the impression you just argued that the Hawks shouldn't come back "evil" because it'd ruin the memories of them the readers have, which I didn't find very convincing. That's what I was replying to. I'm aware anything involving the old members of the Band of the Hawks not being dead is hypothetical, don't worry.
Aazealh said:In 2003, Miura very clearly expressed his view on such a hypothetical event (reviving the dead members of the Band of the Hawk) by saying it would be "lame."