Sarkozy Wins

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6630797.stm

I must say, as an American, I'm unbelievably happy about this. Even if we elect a crazy left wing president here, I don't think we'd ever have been able to mend the recent U.S./French discord without Sarkozy on the other end.
 

Aazealh

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If the US government admitted it was full of shit the "discord" would be mended pretty quickly. If anything I hope Sarkozy doesn't excuse himself on behalf of France for not taking part is that monumental error that the war in Iraq is. The last thing France needs is for its president to be another Tony Blair as far as relations with the USA go. I trust him not to go that far.

Oh and actually bph, I don't think there'd have been any issue with Clinton or even Gore.
 
Oh, don't get me wrong Aaz, I voted for Kerry and I'm a card carrying Democrat. Rumsfeld and the Bush administration can kiss my fat Irish ass, as far as that goes (although I'm not sure if an immediate pull out is the best course of action in Iraq...). My only fear is that Sarkozy's going to be dealing with another completely unqualified U.S. president (my own party is screwing us over with Barack and Hillary), especially if one of the hawks like John McCain wins, but I think he will be better suited to deal with it. My point was really that if Royal had won as a socialist, well...we Americans don't typically like Socialism all that much, and I don't think there'd be any pressure from the middle or the right to improve relations with France, whereas Sarkozy is someone Americans are more than comfortable in dealing with.
 

Aazealh

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bph said:
My only fear is that Sarkozy's going to be dealing with another completely unqualified U.S. president

Well considering the doubts I have about Sarkozy's own competence, they might actually get along well. :guts:

bph said:
My point was really that if Royal had won as a socialist, well...we Americans don't typically like Socialism all that much, and I don't think there'd be any pressure from the middle or the right to improve relations with France, whereas Sarkozy is someone Americans are more than comfortable in dealing with.

Yeah, I know what you mean, they're still caught in the cold war's aftermath and haven't yet distinguished the concept of a communist utopia from Stalin's misnamed dictatorship. Still, I find it sad the "friendship" between countries comes down to that kind of things.
 
I'm almost completely apolitical, so my ignorance may be coming a bit into play here (especially since this concerns a country I do not currently reside in), but from what I've been told and read (mostly in French, mind you, so I could've missed some things) couldn't this be bad news bears for France, making certain tensions even worse?
 

Oltobaz

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bph said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6630797.stm

I must say, as an American, I'm unbelievably happy about this. Even if we elect a crazy left wing president here, I don't think we'd ever have been able to mend the recent U.S./French discord without Sarkozy on the other end.

As a French man, I'm extremely happy too!
 

Aazealh

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The Perineum Falcon said:
couldn't this be bad news bears for France, making certain tensions even worse?

That'll mostly depend on how tactful the new government will be in dealing with the groups there are currently tensions with.
 

Serpico

Farnese is the bomb diggity
None of it is that big of a deal. French relations are not that important, and they offer little to no benefit as allies so repairing relations is not relevant beyond goodwill. With more important matters in the world I wouldn't give it much priority.

I don't know anything about this guy but France could stand some change anyway. I'm sure criticizing America as a pastime makes their lives rich and fullfilling but their own country is in a sad state of affairs. The economy is bad. Their military is a joke (figurative and literally). They speak of human rights while they ban Muslims from practicing their religion and herd them into ghettos. The unemployment rate for Muslims there is what? 75%-90%? Frequent rioting, etc. I personally find it amusing how the French hold their opinions so high when less than 5% of the population has completed higher education. That is less than Mexico and far less than America which has the highest percentage in the world with around 30% being college grads. No one should be taking them seriously.

I wish them luck in dwelling on our wrong-doings, but they should realize most Americans have better things to do than care what they think.
 

Aazealh

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Serpico said:
None of it is that big of a deal. French relations are not that important, and they offer little to no benefit as allies

Looks like people that know what they're talking about disagree with you because in spite of everything, even at the worst time, the USA and France still had agreements and worked together. Bush himself came back on his word when it came to it, because it's not like you can ignore the country.

Serpico said:
I don't know anything about this guy

Nor France?

Serpico said:
I'm sure criticizing America as a pastime makes their lives rich and fullfilling

What are your sources for this brilliant assertion? You do know that French people actually hardly care to criticize the USA, right?

Serpico said:
but their own country is in a sad state of affairs. The economy is bad. Their military is a joke (figurative and literally). They speak of human rights while they ban Muslims from practicing their religion and herd them into ghettos. The unemployment rate for Muslims there is what? 75%-90%? Frequent rioting, etc. I personally find it amusing how the French hold their opinions so high when less than 5% of the population has completed higher education.

Yeah I heard they eat babies there too. If you're a Muslim they burn you at the stake or park you in nazi death camps. Also I heard less than 2% of the population knows how to read, and they don't bathe and their women have hairy armpits! And man, are they arrogant!

Serpico said:
I wish them luck in dwelling on our wrong-doings, but they should realize most Americans have better things to do than care what they think.

Well you're not one of those Americans apparently. The joke is that actually nobody gives a shit here about what misinformed idiots like you think, and that on the contrary, you'll always find ignorant raging and bitter simpletons of your kind to diss France with phantomatic facts.
 

Griffith

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Serpico said:
I wish them luck in dwelling on our wrong-doings, but they should realize most Americans have better things to do than care what they think.

Last time I take a fuckin' Limo in Paris. I went over for a blow job. Your mother was workin' the bon-bon concession at the Eiffel Tower.
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Serpico

Farnese is the bomb diggity
Aazealh said:
Well you're not one of those Americans apparently. The joke is that actually nobody gives a shit here about what misinformed idiots like you think, and that on the contrary, you'll always find ignorant raging and bitter simpletons of your kind to diss France with phantomatic facts.

Aazealh, you are the one who is "raging" here, so apparently I struck a nerve for you but it isn't mutual. Why don't you offer up some facts with what you say or keep it to yourself. I am sorry if you don't like it but anyone can look up anything I presented. If you find evidence to the contrary lets see that rather than making me read your whining.
 

CnC

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Wow, serpico... just wow. These are really moronic statements. You _really_ want to broadcast this kind of ignorance?

-I care because you're making me look bad as an American.

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Griffith

With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
Yeah, I'll leave "the issues" themselves to Serpico and Aaz, but aside from that anyone can point out that Serpico's random France bashing about them having nothing better to do but complain about us while complaining about them is blatantly ironic, stupid, and like CnC said, embarrassing to his fellow Americans.

Like, even if I were at war with France, I wouldn't want such a foolish representative. =)
 

Serpico

Farnese is the bomb diggity
@ CNC

I guess it how I get my kicks. I find other people embarrassing all the time though. It is a fact of life we must deal with. Anyone who thinks I represent you personally CnC would be misguided anyway.

@Griffith

It isn't that random. The discussion was about French and U.S. relations. I was pointing out they should worry about themselves because the reality is that is what they can actually fix.

@all
The insults are only amusing to me. I am not very sensitive to attacks on my intelligence. Despite what you think there was no animosity behind my statements so if you get your buttons pushed you are only wasting your own energy.
 

Aazealh

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Serpico said:
Aazealh, you are the one who is "raging" here, so apparently I struck a nerve for you but it isn't mutual.

Oh, am I? Seriously, how old are you? Is this elementary school level response all you have to say? "No I'm not gay YOU are!!!" Who started all this aggressive talking out of nowhere when the subject is a presidential election you admittedly don't know anything about and don't care about? What was your purpose when you posted in this thread other than to talk bad about a country you obviously don't know other than through the wonderfully objective Fox News channel?

Serpico said:
Why don't you offer up some facts with what you say or keep it to yourself. I am sorry if you don't like it but anyone can look up anything I presented. If you find evidence to the contrary lets see that rather than making me read your whining.

I don't need to offer facts in answer to the ridiculous bullshit you graced us with, I mean where's your evidence? Indeed, anybody can verify that you don't know what you're talking about and that's why I have no reason to bother with it, actually I doubt anyone would take it seriously considering how grotesque it is in the first place. But then again, you know, since I'm admin here I think I'm free to reply to whatever thread I want. =) On the other hand, if you have nothing better to say than what you've posted in this thread so far I'd heartily recommend you to keep your contributions to yourself. Thanks in advance.
 

CnC

Ad Oculos
Serpico said:
@all
The insults are only amusing to me. I am not very sensitive to attacks on my intelligence. Despite what you think there was no animosity behind my statements so if you get your buttons pushed you are only wasting your own energy.

Perhaps you could stand a little more sensitivity on those attacks, as your contributions thus far to this discussion indicate a severe lack of intelligence.
 

Aazealh

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Serpico said:
It isn't that random. The discussion was about French and U.S. relations. I was pointing out they should worry about themselves because the reality is that is what they can actually fix.

Who's "they" in your sentence? Also, where did you read that France wasn't concerned about itself, or less than about other countries/whatever you imagine? Maybe you should have followed the election's themes, that'd help you realize how much you're missing the point. Bph was just saying he hoped Sarkozy's affinities with the USA (by comparison to Chirac's with Japan or Mitterrand's with Germany for example) would help restoring our two countries' relationship to their previous state of "best buddies."
 

Serpico

Farnese is the bomb diggity
Aazealh said:
What was your purpose when you posted in this thread other than to talk bad about a country you obviously don't know other than through the wonderfully objective Fox News channel?

Aaz, I got those statistics in Soc class, used them in a paper. I got an A.

But then again, you know, since I'm admin here I think I'm free to reply to whatever thread I want. =) On the other hand, if you have nothing better to say than what you've posted in this thread so far I'd heartily recommend you to keep your contributions to yourself. Thanks in advance.

The rules don't apply to you? Good for you I guess. I followed them when I posted anyway, even if you and Griff post flames.

Aazealh said:
I don't need to offer facts in answer to the ridiculous bullshit you graced us with, I mean where's your evidence? Indeed, anybody can verify that you don't know what you're talking about and that's why I have no reason to bother with it, actually I doubt anyone would take it seriously considering how grotesque it is in the first place.

Ahh is that so?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399748.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France

http://www.rand.org/commentary/120805UPI.html

"Muslim customs — such as the wearing of headscarves by women and girls in school — are not tolerated even when they would be acceptable in most countries."

I'll get the educational ones too if you like.



CnC said:
Perhaps you could stand a little more sensitivity on those attacks, as your contributions thus far to this discussion indicate a severe lack of intelligence.

I don't feel the need to spout achievements but my intelligence is not in question. Personally I think being nice is better than being smart anyway, and I am really pretty nice as well if you know me.
 

Walter

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Dude, you criticized and slandered a whole country. What kind of response did you expect?
 

Griffith

With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
Serpico said:
It isn't that random. The discussion was about French and U.S. relations. I was pointing out they should worry about themselves because the reality is that is what they can actually fix.

Oh really? Well, that tempered point obviously came across very well and in relevant fashion. Fantastic communicator skills on display. I guess now that you're going to act above your own mess it doesn't really matter anymore, though.

As for insults, in a pure sense, insults are unfounded or out of line. For example, my point about the irony of your overall statements and the inherent stupidity of their construction are not an insult or flames. Poignant observations.

Serpico said:
I am not very sensitive to attacks on my intelligence.

I bet; it just goes with the territory (again, this is just an example of wit =).

Anyway, in any case, you still seem to be missing the point that your one-sided generalizations about an entire country are as bad as the same kind of anti-American tripe, only more so since we should know better than to, in your own words, dwell on wrong-doings. I guess they didn't teach you that in Soc class.
 

CnC

Ad Oculos
Serpico said:
Aaz, I got those statistics in Soc class, used them in a paper. I got an A.

I'm guessing you're pretty young, then?

Serpico said:
I don't feel the need to spout achievements but my intelligence is not in question.

Sure it is...

Serpico said:
Personally I think being nice is better than being smart anyway, and I am really pretty nice as well if you know me.

Personally I feel you have demonstrated a complete lack of social sensitivity. If you wanna be that guy in the room who spouts absurdities or broad generalizations (most of which are hypocritical, to this point) under the adolescent veil of "telling it like it is", that's your problem. Assuring people after the fact that you are, contrary to previous postings, intelligent and nice falls a little flat.
 

Serpico

Farnese is the bomb diggity
Walter said:
Dude, you criticized and slandered a whole country. What kind of response did you expect?

Well I critized them yes, but I didn't slander them. I got all that information from neutral sources. Most of it is common knowledge... I wasn't attempting to even inflame anyone but merely suggest that the relationship is not critical, and the USA and France should be worried about other things.

I thought maybe people would tell me why they think it is so important rather than just say I was dumb. Either way I'll live.

Griffith No More! said:
Oh really? Well, that tempered point obviously came across very well and in relevant fashion. Fantastic communicator skills on display. I guess now that you're going to act above your own mess it doesn't really matter anymore, though.

As for insults, in a pure sense, insults are unfounded or out of line. For example, my point about the irony of your overall statements and the inherent stupidity of their construction are not an insult or flames. Poignant observations.

I bet; it just goes with the territory (again, this is just an example of wit =).

Anyway, in any case, you still seem to be missing the point that you're one-sided generalizations about an entire country are as bad as the same kind of Anti-American tripe, only more so since we should know better than to, in your own words, dwell on wrong-doings. I guess they didn't teach you that in Soc class.

Griff you are right, I should work on my communication skills. You wasted your time typing essentially the same insults you already have but in a drawn out manner when I told they aren't getting you anywhere.

CnC said:
Personally I feel you have demonstrated a complete lack of social sensitivity. If you wanna be that guy in the room who spouts absurdities or broad generalizations (most of which are hypocritical, to this point) under the adolescent veil of "telling it like it is", that's your problem. Assuring people after the fact that you are, contrary to previous postings, intelligent and nice falls a little flat.

CnC aside from the argument about Serpico before, I admit I was somewhat mean and I did apologize, if you look at my posts you will find hundreds of nice ones.
 
Man, this thread makes me really want to emphasize the "Irish" part of defining myself as Irish-American...
 

Griffith

With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
Serpico said:
Griff you are right, I should work on my communication skills.

Molto bene.

Serpico said:
You wasted your time typing essentially the same insults you already have but in a drawn out manner when I told they aren't getting you anywhere.

Ah, but if you see my mere observations as insults, that is only how you view yourself through my eyes. =)

bph said:
Man, this thread makes me really want to emphasize the "Irish" part of defining myself as Irish-American...

Speaking of which, have I mentioned I'm really an Italian citizen by blood? *slinks away*
 
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