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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2007, 04:55:04 AM »
unless he somehow becomes much more powerful I dont know how hes going to defeat Griffith and the God Hand.

I'm not so sure he ever will defeat them, and the way I see it, he'd probably receive a mortal wound during such a battle.  Nothing about Berserk has ever led me to believe there is a light at the end of the tunnel.  Guts is only in his mid-20's I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) and he already is missing an arm, an eye, has white hair coming in, is losing sensation in his fingertips, is losing sense of taste, is wearing a cursed armor that is slowly killing him, his girlfriend was raped and has lost her sanity, and when she regains her mind she is probably going to use that Beherit in Guts satchel so she can once again be a sword for Griffifth's Army now that he has taken a human form again, she will want to help Griffifths's dream come true.  She might not remember the Eclipse, in which case she could very well fall victim to Griffith's charisma again.  I quote the Skull Knight in Episode 238:  "What You Wish For May Not Be What She Wishes For."  Anyway, my point is, don't expect Berserk to have a happy ending....not that it will be ending any time soon.  I guess we'll find out in about 20 years.

By the way, the whole Beherit thing I mentioned is just a theory, but it's gotta be for someone, it's with Guts for a reason, and I'm pretty sure I read here that Miura has stated he wants Guts to retain his humanity...therefore it has to be for someone else who is or will be around him. 

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2007, 05:11:37 AM »
when she regains her mind she is probably going to use that Beherit in Guts satchel so she can once again be a sword for Griffith's Army now that he has taken a human form again, 

She can't use the beherit cause she is branded the mentioned that in volume 3 if I'm correct! though she could fall under Griffith's charisma but i doubt it! and beside Miura mentioned that berserk will have a happy ending or something similar to that...

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2007, 10:08:10 AM »
She can't use the beherit cause she is branded the mentioned that in volume 3 if I'm correct! though she could fall under Griffith's charisma but i doubt it! and beside Miura mentioned that berserk will have a happy ending or something similar to that...

Aaz Walter, excuse me if I'm wrong but I'm using the painkillers excuse here. Casca can't be sacrificed because she already was someone else's sacrifice. EDIT; she can use the beherit to sacrifice someone else, she just can't be sacrificed again. Miura said Berserk won't have a depressing ending, not happy. 
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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2007, 11:37:33 AM »
Jumping ahead to Elfhelm: I have a prediction that Healing Guts is going to involve a scene of him breaking down and unleashing tears like Waterfalls . . .
The cold season drifts over the land.
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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2007, 11:40:29 AM »
Jumping ahead to Elfhelm: I have a prediction that Healing Guts is going to involve a scene of him breaking down and unleashing tears like Waterfalls . . .

There will be no emo Guts. Not now and hopefully not ever.  :chomp:

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2007, 05:10:45 PM »
There will be no emo Guts. Not now and hopefully not ever.  :chomp:

Guts has the right to be emo though, because he actually has been through a lot of shit.

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2007, 05:15:16 PM »
Rock Concert Manual #237:
Taking the audience to a jungian journey into the collective unconscious by using the shadow as a metaphor for the primal self that gets repressed by the modern persona... and also by using an underground setting and labyrinth office design to represent both: the depths of the psyche and the dungeon-like isolation of our increasingly mechanistic society which prevents people from finding satisfying work or meaningful connections with others.

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2007, 05:26:05 PM »
He had something in his eye!

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2007, 06:08:56 PM »
Nothing about Berserk has ever led me to believe there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Well things aren't really desperate currently, are they? Look at the last episode. Sure, the God Hand is stronger than ever, but Guts' situation allows for far more hope now than it did in volume 14, in spite of his wounds.

his girlfriend was raped and has lost her sanity, and when she regains her mind she is probably going to use that Beherit in Guts satchel so she can once again be a sword for Griffifth's Army now that he has taken a human form again, she will want to help Griffifths's dream come true.

I don't know how you can think this is probable at all. First off we don't even know if she could sacrifice someone as a branded woman, and the only person she could possibly sacrifice, Guts, can't be. Second, Casca didn't plan on staying with Griffith before finding him broken in the Tower of Rebirth, and then she was hesitant because she pitied him. And really, she has absolutely no reason to want to help his dream, not after what he did to her and to everyone she knew. Besides she couldn't do it even if she wanted to, because she's branded and she'd bleed to death fairly quickly. Lastly, Griffith has no need for her at all, and his dream as she knew it will likely have come true before she returns to Midland.

She might not remember the Eclipse

She remembers it in her current state so I don't see why she wouldn't remember it once she'll remember everything. And even if she didn't I think the others would tell her anyway.

By the way, the whole Beherit thing I mentioned is just a theory, but it's gotta be for someone, it's with Guts for a reason, and I'm pretty sure I read here that Miura has stated he wants Guts to retain his humanity...therefore it has to be for someone else who is or will be around him.

Why must it be for someone? And why someone of the group? I mean, Guts could just keep it around like he's done so far and then lose it or SK could eat it or use it for some other purpose, who knows? And it could be used by someone else (unrelated) as well. I don't see how you're coming to your conclusion.

She can't use the beherit cause she is branded the mentioned that in volume 3 if I'm correct!

Like VHB said you aren't correct.

she can use the beherit to sacrifice someone else, she just can't be sacrificed again.

We don't know if she could use it or not. There's no certainty on the topic.

There will be no emo Guts. Not now and hopefully not ever.  :chomp:

Crying doesn't make somehow "emo", especially not when it's justified. Can this brilliant talk stop now please? :schierke:

Offline Donald Shimoda

Re: Episode 287
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2007, 10:52:40 PM »
Guts might cry some times, but if he didn't, he probably wouldn't be the hero we admire today. He might act cold sometimes, but he does have feelings, if he didn't, if he was self centered and cared about nothing but what he wanted, he would be like Griffith, the guy we want to see Guts chop in half. Its not unheroic to cry, because he does something about it, he might get down sometimes like we all do, but instead of giving into that sadness and hopelessness he keeps fighting, he is the one who stands against the darkness. 

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2007, 12:40:16 AM »
Crying doesn't make somehow "emo", especially not when it's justified. Can this brilliant talk stop now please? :schierke:

I agree. If Guts does break down and start crying, Azan will go Brando on his ass and say,

"You can act like a man!"

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2007, 12:48:04 AM »
Would it be considered anti-climatic at this point if the trip to cure Casca didn't work?

Now, I ain't saying that it should produce no results, I'm pretty sure there will be something pretty important plot wise at the end of the trip but would the lack of what we are expecting be a disappointment?

We've waited years for a proper development with Casca and I've enjoyed the hints presented along the way regarding her state of mind and memories, and the whole strange moon child thing hasn't gone away either. I'm pretty confident that in place of a return to "normality" for Casca, we'll have some epic page turning developments to keep us all interested.
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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2007, 12:51:10 AM »
Would it be considered anti-climatic at this point if the trip to cure Casca didn't work?

Now, I ain't saying that it should produce no results, I'm pretty sure there will be something pretty important plot wise at the end of the trip but would the lack of what we are expecting be a disappointment?

We've waited years for a proper development with Casca and I've enjoyed the hints presented along the way regarding her state of mind and memories, and the whole strange moon child thing hasn't gone away either. I'm pretty confident that in place of a return to "normality" for Casca, we'll have some epic page turning developments to keep us all interested.
If it doesn't work, I expect Miura to do in such an elaborate colorful way that we would all be ok with it.
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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2007, 01:12:54 AM »
I'm pretty certain that Casca will probably get cured of insanity.

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2007, 02:41:23 AM »
If it doesn't work, I expect Miura to do in such an elaborate colorful way that we would all be ok with it.

Exactly.  I'm not getting my hopes up, because I know no matter what happens, Miura will do it well.

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2007, 07:53:52 AM »
I'm pretty certain that Casca will probably get cured of insanity.
But Casca want to remember?
I don't believe that :/

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2007, 07:56:09 AM »
Regarding the episode/preview, I think it's possible that nothing monstrous is coming soon. I read the looks of Casca and Guts as Casca being her childlike self, taking in her surroundings, and Guts keeping a watchful eye on her. I think the "In Vain" reading of the title could mean that Guts is wondering if his trip is all in vain. Skull Knight told him that if Casca is cured, she may not want the same thing that Guts does. If a sane Casca chooses not to follow Guts, he could lose her all over again.

I guess I feel that if Casca was sensing some kind of demon, Guts would too and he wouldn't have a sad, concerned look on his face while looking at her. My expectations are more character development instead of totally rad monster fights with giant swords. Not that I'd complain, or anything.

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2007, 08:02:33 AM »
Not restore Casca's sanity? I think that leaving things as is would be a huge missed opportunity for character development. I can't see Miura passing that up.
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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2007, 10:47:37 AM »
I just hope Guts doesn't look like a bucket of ass like in the last ep.

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2007, 03:49:24 PM »
I would just like to point out that for all the rambling concerning Guts appearance and whatever Casca is looking at, we have seen a large amount of progression by Farnese.  I know people have already mentioned this, but it's really remarkable. Consider the fact that Griffith is afraid (or at least worried about) of magic users, the addition of another to Guts' band (although it's certainly going to take her time to develop) is probably more worthwhile than debating how Guts is going to take on the Godhand or whether he is emo...

Anyway, good to see you Griffith.

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2007, 07:00:16 PM »
Casca could see something coming without it be apostle/god hand/ghost related though.  It could be a big storm, rogue wave, another ship, or even a sea monster.  I don't think any of those would cause their brands to bleed would they?

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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2007, 08:25:15 PM »
It's 6:23am and I need some deep deep loving of Berserk. Time to go hit the usual place! =D Be back in half an hour with the tasty tasty morsel.  :guts:
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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2007, 08:47:15 PM »
It's 6:23am and I need some deep deep loving of Berserk. Time to go hit the usual place! =D Be back in half an hour with the tasty tasty morsel.  :guts:


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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2007, 08:57:30 PM »
I have the stuff, chat party!  :isidro:
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Re: Episode 287
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2007, 09:04:38 PM »
I have the stuff, chat party!  :isidro:

Damnit, I'm always at work when this happens... :puck:

I'll join you guys later tonight when I get home, if you're all still on.