Griffith
With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
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Yeah, and still quite the card from what we see, I really appreciate his last line about how he wants to die and Hyogo's reaction. Speaking of, if the worst comes to be and Sekishusai has passed by the time Musashi reaches them, if he even decides to go still, hopefully he can still properly introduce himself to Hyogo finally.
Oh, and Slan, no need to spoiler tag in new episode threads unless it's the initial summary. It's buyer beware in here.
First, I'm not sure Musashi's speaking there, I think it's likely Ittosai, though it's confusing, particularly the top of page 19 where it says something like, "unrivaled under the heavens" "he takes it to the extreme." In the context of everything else on the page, I'm not sure if that's Ittosai talking about Yagyu or Yagyu talking about Ittosai. Anyway, as for what it means, I think Ito is just being fatalistic about the state of the sword and where it's headed after his encounter with Yagyu. I also think he's referring to his encounter with Musashi now, as in, this might be the end for one or both of them, and as we saw in his conversation with Yagyu, Ittosai certainly sees himself as one, if not the one, on top, and he recognizes Musashi is right up there with him.
I'll say the same.
Haha, yeah, that was great, poor Ittosai, he's not the type that ages gracefully. What's funny is that's almost the exact same thing Gonnosuke said to him when he found out who he was, "You're still alive!?"
Their chat was easily the highlight, and as for the end of Yagyu, it's hard say what Ito really meant when he said Yagyu was dead already, if he was being literal and the old man has passed since their encounter, if he's merely lying to goad Musashi into a fight, or if he's referring to Yagyu's old age, retirement, and illness. After all, Yagyu might be dead to Ittosai because Ittosai wanted to fight him, while Musashi wants to engage his mind.
I don't know about that, it'd be quite a jump from where we are now, not implausible, but not my expectation with the outcome of this Ito encounter still in front of us. I don't want Inoue to cut/sell this short.
Griffith: yo
38 hours away from the finish of volume 31!
Walter: ?
278 is the final chapter, you mean?
Griffith: Yep
Walter: pretty sure itll be Wed. ?
Griffith: Well, last week it come in just around 2am here.
Tuesday night/wed morning.
Walter: ah
i have to say, I didnt quite GET 277
Walter: "How boring..."
Griffith: Not the first time Ito's expressed that.
One of the first thing he says to Kojiro on their journey is, "Don't go too fast, or you'll get bored."
He's talking about the world in general.
Walter: i guess i didnt quite see what he took away from his encounter with Yagyu.
Griffith: I mean, he was literally crying about how lonely he was in his 20's, just before humiliating his own master.
Walter: It went over my head.
Griffith: Yeah, I'm not quite sure either.
But, I don't think he felt defeated, just... flummoxed.
More like Yagyu defeated the sword in general.
Walter: "is that all there is"
Griffith: Or at least the way Ito sees it.
I don't think Musashi would feel the same way.
Walter: also, potentially the biggest revelation here...
Yagyu is ... dead?
Are we to believe that?
Griffith: Again, not sure.
Ito =)
Ito-fukker
Could be lying, could be saying he's dead as far as fighting goes, or maybe he just died shortly thereafter and Ito heard of it.
I think Musashi will understand what he means though.
I don't think it's too far off from Musashi's own revelation.
The heat haze.
Walter: wtf with Yagyu's line...
Griffith: Ito's at the point in the RPG when he's at lvl 99, has beat the boss, has all the items, and is just wandering around aimlessly now on his final save file. =)
Walter: "But thatd be the case even if you were a giant bear, or something ..."
surely theres a better translation =)
Or something
Griffith: haha
I like that one though.
Count our blessings.
"Or... SLOGG!"
Ito: "!?"
I thought it put things in perfect perspective, especially since Ito had no interest in what Yagyu was saying otherwise.
He was being totally serious, but I like to think it was also Yagyu's way of yawning and rolling his eyes at Ito. =)
Walter: or is it, youre no better than a savage?
just a mindless animal?
Griffith: Could be that too, in any case, Ito was being asinine.
Walter: well, it still seems unclear to me.
cant say i learned anything as a result.
havent been this confused since I thought Mushi had a cold.
Griffith: Hmmm, well, i'm not sure what else there is to understand, in sports parlance, "it is what it is"
I found it wholly satisfying, even if we've yet to fully see what Ito took away.
For instance, like I said, I don't think he felt defeated, but certainly frustrated, but I can't tell if it's from admiration or disappointment or both.
Walter: im a little disappointed, but the encounter isnt over yet.
3:45 PM also, its a foregone conclusion that Ito is lacking an arm.
draws with his left hand. dead giveaway.
Griffith: Really, YOUR disappointed?
I was talking about Ito.
Walter: oh i know
i was transitioning
Griffith: I thought it was much better than we initially thought.
Walter: i expected their talk to be a little more substantial.
or at least comprehensible. i think the translation may be getting in the way of a cool moment.
Griffith: Oh, it was still cool to me.
I think you want something from Ito he doesn't have to offer.
Not in that setting.
We'll get his best with Musashi though maybe.
It's the same reason a sit down with Void and Skully wouldn't be interesting in practice, Skully would just try to cut Void's brain in half. =)
Walter: admittedly, my expectations were unrealistically high. but i still feel that I'm just missing some crucial aspect of their talk.
Griffith: I think it's the simplicity you're missing, or not appreciating.
Who knows though, maybe Viz will reveal Yagyu was talking about Ito's spirit animal or something.
Walter: lol
"I'm a ... bear?!"
Shoda: "No..!"
it took me that long to find Shoda's name, which I keep forgetting...
ruined the comedic timing.
like a prolonged DC response.
Griffith: Come to think of it, Yagyu practically calls every other person he meets a bear. =)
Walter: Ito: "I thought... I was a Tiger..?"
Griffith: Anyway, I thought it was pretty perfect.
I wouldn't think anyting "more", as in, philo babble, would have gotten to Ito any better.
As we saw already.
YAWN
Walter: like I said, I still dont understand what was said, the significance of it.
Griffith: That his being able to kill Yagyu at this stage didn't mean anything.
It was just silly for him to even try to contest him.
Basically, "What would that prove?"
Or more generally, and full circle to what he was trying to tell Ito before, "What's the point?" which is what Musashi is questioning, and which I think is now vexing Ito.
Walter: ah, well... i think there's still somethng that hasnt been stated outright yet. for example
Ito hasnt acknowledged that superior presence of Yagyu, exhibited when he mentions the bear.
basically, Ito believes he and Yagyu are the top two in the world.
but either he's seen there's more to do, but its nothing to do with the sword and he's not interested, or he's seen that Yagyu has gone far beyond him.
Griffith: Or maybe just that it's too late to find out.
Plus, as we saw with Yoshioka, their way of life is going out of style anyway.
Walter: and before that, in vol 18, with the gun incident.
a more Ito-specific moment.
yeah that would make more sense, regarding "the end' he refers to.
id say it's definitely it. good call.
See, this episode makes little sense without reasoning it out =)
Dont know whether to blame Inoue, the translator, or my own denseness.
Griffith: I don't know, I think you're just too much in the clouds on it.
You're feeling dense because you're looking for a grander meaning that may not be there, at least not something of... on the level of some enlightenment.
Walter: Ito's response, that wide-eyed stare, is what's making me look harder.
It's something that took him by surprise.
But Im just not seeing it.
slan69 said:Awww I don't want Sekishusai to die he was a nice old man
Yeah, and still quite the card from what we see, I really appreciate his last line about how he wants to die and Hyogo's reaction. Speaking of, if the worst comes to be and Sekishusai has passed by the time Musashi reaches them, if he even decides to go still, hopefully he can still properly introduce himself to Hyogo finally.
Oh, and Slan, no need to spoiler tag in new episode threads unless it's the initial summary. It's buyer beware in here.
slan69 said:Hmmmm I wonder what Musashi is talking about when he said this might be the end already, could he perhaps be talking about the fact that he cannot walk properly anymore so even he cannot try and become unrivaled under heaven like Yagyu Sekishusai. What are your guys thought's about this ?
First, I'm not sure Musashi's speaking there, I think it's likely Ittosai, though it's confusing, particularly the top of page 19 where it says something like, "unrivaled under the heavens" "he takes it to the extreme." In the context of everything else on the page, I'm not sure if that's Ittosai talking about Yagyu or Yagyu talking about Ittosai. Anyway, as for what it means, I think Ito is just being fatalistic about the state of the sword and where it's headed after his encounter with Yagyu. I also think he's referring to his encounter with Musashi now, as in, this might be the end for one or both of them, and as we saw in his conversation with Yagyu, Ittosai certainly sees himself as one, if not the one, on top, and he recognizes Musashi is right up there with him.
Th3Branded0ne said:I"m not going to say I called it, but I kinda was in the area.
宮本 グリフィス said:On the Sekishisai front, I wonder if Ito might also reveal something there about Yagyu
I'll say the same.
Th3Branded0ne said:This episode was nice! I Like what Musashi said to Ittosai. "Are you the real one, you're still alive too?"
Haha, yeah, that was great, poor Ittosai, he's not the type that ages gracefully. What's funny is that's almost the exact same thing Gonnosuke said to him when he found out who he was, "You're still alive!?"
Th3Branded0ne said:I like the chat Itto and Yagyu had. Yagyu rocks! So, if this is the end of the "unrivaled under heaven", is it also the birth of another "unrivaled under heaven"?
Their chat was easily the highlight, and as for the end of Yagyu, it's hard say what Ito really meant when he said Yagyu was dead already, if he was being literal and the old man has passed since their encounter, if he's merely lying to goad Musashi into a fight, or if he's referring to Yagyu's old age, retirement, and illness. After all, Yagyu might be dead to Ittosai because Ittosai wanted to fight him, while Musashi wants to engage his mind.
Th3Branded0ne said:Remember in the last page in 276 Itto asked Musashi if he was setting off to Yagyu. I am guesssing in 277 Itto talks about what is Musashi trying to accomplish by going there. Then, we get that flashback of Itto at the Yagyu and explaining to Musashi what he accomplished by having that meeting with Sekishusai. Since the breaks is coming, I"m thinking Inoue will end it with Musashi finally arriving and meeting with Sekishusai and Hyogo.
I don't know about that, it'd be quite a jump from where we are now, not implausible, but not my expectation with the outcome of this Ito encounter still in front of us. I don't want Inoue to cut/sell this short.
Griffith: yo
38 hours away from the finish of volume 31!
Walter: ?
278 is the final chapter, you mean?
Griffith: Yep
Walter: pretty sure itll be Wed. ?
Griffith: Well, last week it come in just around 2am here.
Tuesday night/wed morning.
Walter: ah
i have to say, I didnt quite GET 277
Walter: "How boring..."
Griffith: Not the first time Ito's expressed that.
One of the first thing he says to Kojiro on their journey is, "Don't go too fast, or you'll get bored."
He's talking about the world in general.
Walter: i guess i didnt quite see what he took away from his encounter with Yagyu.
Griffith: I mean, he was literally crying about how lonely he was in his 20's, just before humiliating his own master.
Walter: It went over my head.
Griffith: Yeah, I'm not quite sure either.
But, I don't think he felt defeated, just... flummoxed.
More like Yagyu defeated the sword in general.
Walter: "is that all there is"
Griffith: Or at least the way Ito sees it.
I don't think Musashi would feel the same way.
Walter: also, potentially the biggest revelation here...
Yagyu is ... dead?
Are we to believe that?
Griffith: Again, not sure.
Ito =)
Ito-fukker
Could be lying, could be saying he's dead as far as fighting goes, or maybe he just died shortly thereafter and Ito heard of it.
I think Musashi will understand what he means though.
I don't think it's too far off from Musashi's own revelation.
The heat haze.
Walter: wtf with Yagyu's line...
Griffith: Ito's at the point in the RPG when he's at lvl 99, has beat the boss, has all the items, and is just wandering around aimlessly now on his final save file. =)
Walter: "But thatd be the case even if you were a giant bear, or something ..."
surely theres a better translation =)
Or something
Griffith: haha
I like that one though.
Count our blessings.
"Or... SLOGG!"
Ito: "!?"
I thought it put things in perfect perspective, especially since Ito had no interest in what Yagyu was saying otherwise.
He was being totally serious, but I like to think it was also Yagyu's way of yawning and rolling his eyes at Ito. =)
Walter: or is it, youre no better than a savage?
just a mindless animal?
Griffith: Could be that too, in any case, Ito was being asinine.
Walter: well, it still seems unclear to me.
cant say i learned anything as a result.
havent been this confused since I thought Mushi had a cold.
Griffith: Hmmm, well, i'm not sure what else there is to understand, in sports parlance, "it is what it is"
I found it wholly satisfying, even if we've yet to fully see what Ito took away.
For instance, like I said, I don't think he felt defeated, but certainly frustrated, but I can't tell if it's from admiration or disappointment or both.
Walter: im a little disappointed, but the encounter isnt over yet.
3:45 PM also, its a foregone conclusion that Ito is lacking an arm.
draws with his left hand. dead giveaway.
Griffith: Really, YOUR disappointed?
I was talking about Ito.
Walter: oh i know
i was transitioning
Griffith: I thought it was much better than we initially thought.
Walter: i expected their talk to be a little more substantial.
or at least comprehensible. i think the translation may be getting in the way of a cool moment.
Griffith: Oh, it was still cool to me.
I think you want something from Ito he doesn't have to offer.
Not in that setting.
We'll get his best with Musashi though maybe.
It's the same reason a sit down with Void and Skully wouldn't be interesting in practice, Skully would just try to cut Void's brain in half. =)
Walter: admittedly, my expectations were unrealistically high. but i still feel that I'm just missing some crucial aspect of their talk.
Griffith: I think it's the simplicity you're missing, or not appreciating.
Who knows though, maybe Viz will reveal Yagyu was talking about Ito's spirit animal or something.
Walter: lol
"I'm a ... bear?!"
Shoda: "No..!"
it took me that long to find Shoda's name, which I keep forgetting...
ruined the comedic timing.
like a prolonged DC response.
Griffith: Come to think of it, Yagyu practically calls every other person he meets a bear. =)
Walter: Ito: "I thought... I was a Tiger..?"
Griffith: Anyway, I thought it was pretty perfect.
I wouldn't think anyting "more", as in, philo babble, would have gotten to Ito any better.
As we saw already.
YAWN
Walter: like I said, I still dont understand what was said, the significance of it.
Griffith: That his being able to kill Yagyu at this stage didn't mean anything.
It was just silly for him to even try to contest him.
Basically, "What would that prove?"
Or more generally, and full circle to what he was trying to tell Ito before, "What's the point?" which is what Musashi is questioning, and which I think is now vexing Ito.
Walter: ah, well... i think there's still somethng that hasnt been stated outright yet. for example
Ito hasnt acknowledged that superior presence of Yagyu, exhibited when he mentions the bear.
basically, Ito believes he and Yagyu are the top two in the world.
but either he's seen there's more to do, but its nothing to do with the sword and he's not interested, or he's seen that Yagyu has gone far beyond him.
Griffith: Or maybe just that it's too late to find out.
Plus, as we saw with Yoshioka, their way of life is going out of style anyway.
Walter: and before that, in vol 18, with the gun incident.
a more Ito-specific moment.
yeah that would make more sense, regarding "the end' he refers to.
id say it's definitely it. good call.
See, this episode makes little sense without reasoning it out =)
Dont know whether to blame Inoue, the translator, or my own denseness.
Griffith: I don't know, I think you're just too much in the clouds on it.
You're feeling dense because you're looking for a grander meaning that may not be there, at least not something of... on the level of some enlightenment.
Walter: Ito's response, that wide-eyed stare, is what's making me look harder.
It's something that took him by surprise.
But Im just not seeing it.