TV Series: Lost
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Re: Lost Season 4
Lost had been so good this season but this episode was a let down. I don't like Kate, but I thought her flash-forward would be interesting and it was not (apart from the very end)
The courtroom scenes were just awful. Isn't the way trials work that the prosecution goes first, and then the defense? There is no way that Jack would testify for the defense before the prosecution finished it's case. Also, Kate's mother doesn't testify and suddenly they give her 10 years probation? That's it? For murder, bank robbery, arson, plus more? No video of the bank robbery? There has to be more evidence against Kate than just her mother's testimony.
At least that's over with and Ben, Miles and Locke were great. Ben is definitely the smartest guy on the show so it's good to know he'll eventually get out of there.
Next week looks better.
Lost had been so good this season but this episode was a let down. I don't like Kate, but I thought her flash-forward would be interesting and it was not (apart from the very end)
The courtroom scenes were just awful. Isn't the way trials work that the prosecution goes first, and then the defense? There is no way that Jack would testify for the defense before the prosecution finished it's case. Also, Kate's mother doesn't testify and suddenly they give her 10 years probation? That's it? For murder, bank robbery, arson, plus more? No video of the bank robbery? There has to be more evidence against Kate than just her mother's testimony.
At least that's over with and Ben, Miles and Locke were great. Ben is definitely the smartest guy on the show so it's good to know he'll eventually get out of there.
Next week looks better.
Re: Lost Season 4
Anyway, who do you think it is that Miles "works for" ? My first thought was Alvar Honso, or his successor. He's the only individual I can think of that would want Ben dead, since he played a key role in demolishing Dharma.
Miles' statement about how he knows who Ben is and what he can do ... I think it's trying to draw th viewers' minds back to his "magic box" stuff in early Season 3. Must be a pretty big box
Their scene together was the first to make me lol this season. "$3.2? Really? Why not $3.3?" *deadpan stare* Good stuff. I'm glad Miles keeps getting verbally owned, because he's been completely obnoxious so far.A.C said:
You're a fan of Lost, but you're only NOW wondering about the show's inconsistencies?A.C said:
Anyway, who do you think it is that Miles "works for" ? My first thought was Alvar Honso, or his successor. He's the only individual I can think of that would want Ben dead, since he played a key role in demolishing Dharma.
Miles' statement about how he knows who Ben is and what he can do ... I think it's trying to draw th viewers' minds back to his "magic box" stuff in early Season 3. Must be a pretty big box
Re: Lost Season 4
Why? I liked him in this episode. =) The only problem is how he threw Ben's breakfast at the wall in frustration right after leaving his cell. That was just stupid after the rest, considering it confirmed to Ben that he was right. And it's more of the same old stuff too.
Someone hasn't been watching enough LAW & ORDER episodes!
Ben only looks smart because all the others act like idiots AND at the same time are always sparing him even though he brings trouble again and again. It's not very realistic, and like Ben remarks himself, it's the same as when he was in the hatch.
Anyway, I'm with Walter in that I love seeing Miles get owned, and it doesn't even matter by whom. The thing that bothered me the most in this episode was Kate's mom. Alright so she survives because of some miracle while she was supposed to be on the edge of death (oh my a twist what a surprise this is!), and she goes from blindly hysterical and hateful to loving and forgiving and stuff.
Loc_n_lol said:
Why? I liked him in this episode. =) The only problem is how he threw Ben's breakfast at the wall in frustration right after leaving his cell. That was just stupid after the rest, considering it confirmed to Ben that he was right. And it's more of the same old stuff too.
A.C said:
Someone hasn't been watching enough LAW & ORDER episodes!
A.C said:
Ben only looks smart because all the others act like idiots AND at the same time are always sparing him even though he brings trouble again and again. It's not very realistic, and like Ben remarks himself, it's the same as when he was in the hatch.
Anyway, I'm with Walter in that I love seeing Miles get owned, and it doesn't even matter by whom. The thing that bothered me the most in this episode was Kate's mom. Alright so she survives because of some miracle while she was supposed to be on the edge of death (oh my a twist what a surprise this is!), and she goes from blindly hysterical and hateful to loving and forgiving and stuff.
Griffith
With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
Re: Lost Season 4
OMG KATE IS ONE OF THE OCEANIC 6!!!!!!
Oh, and baby. Great.
Yeah, nothing special, though I think I actually liked it more than A.C. (just because I see the BS he noticed during the courtroom crap in every episode =). I don't think it's really any worse than the first two once you get past all the newness of them, in this case, really only the Aaron reveal and Ben kept it from being useless. And I'm with Aaz, Locke was more wiener than warrior here despite the grenade play at the end, because he continually undermines his "authority" by being an unreasonable dickhead and stupid ("She wants Ben!? I better leave him unguarded ASAP!"), and basically just not knowing what the hell he's doing. It was vintage season 2 Locke. If Kate had wanted to, she probably could have taken over the whole commune and killed Locke without him knowing what was going on (which is why he had to "banish" her like a wimp). Anyway, I give this ep two Sayid neckbreaks and This Fuckin' Show, par for course LOST:
Yeah, but it also confirmed Anthony Cooper must have passed on his super strength to Locke, did you see the impact he had on that solid wall just by hitting it with a dining tray?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwNNc2KgyoU
You'd think it was a flimsy wooden plank or something, incredible!
OMG KATE IS ONE OF THE OCEANIC 6!!!!!!
Oh, and baby. Great.
Yeah, nothing special, though I think I actually liked it more than A.C. (just because I see the BS he noticed during the courtroom crap in every episode =). I don't think it's really any worse than the first two once you get past all the newness of them, in this case, really only the Aaron reveal and Ben kept it from being useless. And I'm with Aaz, Locke was more wiener than warrior here despite the grenade play at the end, because he continually undermines his "authority" by being an unreasonable dickhead and stupid ("She wants Ben!? I better leave him unguarded ASAP!"), and basically just not knowing what the hell he's doing. It was vintage season 2 Locke. If Kate had wanted to, she probably could have taken over the whole commune and killed Locke without him knowing what was going on (which is why he had to "banish" her like a wimp). Anyway, I give this ep two Sayid neckbreaks and This Fuckin' Show, par for course LOST:
Aazealh said:
Yeah, but it also confirmed Anthony Cooper must have passed on his super strength to Locke, did you see the impact he had on that solid wall just by hitting it with a dining tray?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwNNc2KgyoU
You'd think it was a flimsy wooden plank or something, incredible!
Re: Lost Season 4
Since Claire was supposed to raise Aaron or else disaster would surround the child I think it will be interesting to see exactly how wrong things can get now that Aaron is out of Claire's hands.
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You're a fan of Lost, but you're only NOW wondering about the show's inconsistencies?
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I'm not completely unaware of them. Like you I also think Season 2 is somewhat weak not to mention Jack's tattoo episode last year was aweful.
[quote author=Walter]Anyway, who do you think it is that Miles "works for" ?[/quote]
The Economist! Someone who is on one of Ben's lists I'm sure.
[quote author=Walter]My first thought was Alvar Honso, or his successor. He's the only individual I can think of that would want Ben dead, since he played a key role in demolishing Dharma.[/quote]
I actually don't think the Freighter are Dharma. I think Ben has completely taken control of Dharma and most of it's outside connections. This Freighter is something else.
[quote author=Walter]Miles' statement about how he knows who Ben is and what he can do ... I think it's trying to draw th viewers' minds back to his "magic box" stuff in early Season 3. Must be a pretty big box[/quote]
I'm thinking that Ben actually has exactly $3.2 somewhere on the Island and Miles learned of this from someone's spirit either outside or on the Island. I think Ben suspected that he knew and that's why he asked "Why not 3.3 or 3.4?" to test him.
[quote author=Aazealh]Ben only looks smart because all the others act like idiots AND at the same time are always sparing him even though he brings trouble again and again.[/quote]
The others don't "act" like idiots, most of them are simply not mental type people. Locke, Kate, Jack all live by their gut feeling. Locke is an idealizing dreamer, he's unrealistic, resigned, stubborn and unaware of his own anger... but he is genuinely good-natured and refreshingly unpretentious. Because of his peaceful demeanor, Locke have a talent for comforting and reassuring others and is able to exert a calming, healing influence in difficult or tense situations. He make a steady, supportive friend who can listen uncritically to others' problems as well as share their good times. An excellent mediator, able to harmonize groups and bring people together by really healing conflicts. That is/was his strength, but unlike Ben, he is not a mental person and so he doesn't think things through. To "maintain the peace," Locke tend not to show he's upsets very much, except indirectly— perhaps by eating, drinking, or watching television too much to escape into a more pleasant and comforting world. He also absorb a lot of tension and neglect—even outright abuse—before showing any kind of emotional response. But when his anger has been held back for too long, Locke can suddenly blow up, seemingly out of the blue. Once he have gotten something out of his system, Locke hope that the storm has blown over and that things will not go back to the way they were before.
Ben is almost the opposite, Ben is intense, strong-minded, argumentative, contentious, and highly resistant to the influence of others. Locke like people and trust them; perhaps at times he is too trusting. By contrast, Ben is suspicious of people and is anything but trusting, perhaps at times too cynical and resistant. Locke's intellectual prowess is compartmentalized. He is brilliant at what he does hunting in the forest but unfocused and inattentive everywhere else, whereas Ben is focused and attentive everywhere all the time. Just because Locke (and Kate, Jack) are thinking does not make them thinkers, like Ben.
The fundamental difference between the thinking of Locke and that of Ben is that Locke is impressionistic, involved with generalities, imaginative ruminations, and fanciful situations. Locke typically do not concern himself with details, nor is he usually good at following up once he have acted. By contrast, the thinking of Ben is highly focused, penetrating, and almost microscopic in the narrowness of its frame of reference. Ben love details, losing himself in research, scholarship, and complex intellectual pursuits. He thinks in depth, concentrating so much that he blocks out other perceptions. By contrast, Locke tends to have problems concentrating and he also tends to lose interest quickly and to allow his attention to drift off when he becomes bored or anxious.
Also, Locke tends to spin grand, sweeping, idealistic solutions to problems, while Ben tends to speculate on problems, then on the problems that their problems have raised, then on those problems, ad infinitum. Locke may be a gifted storyteller, able to communicate simply and effectively to others, even to children. Ben usually communicate to only a few or keep his ideas entirely to himself. (Moreover, his ideas may be so complicated that they are difficult to communicate to all but other specialists, like Daniel Faraday who is also a mental person.) Locke usually do not consider the consequences of his actions; Ben is extremely interested in predicting the consequences of every action. Locke simplify; Ben complexify. Locke look to the past; Ben to the future. Locke is a fantasists; Ben is a theorist. Locke is a utopian; Ben is a nihilist. Locke is an optimist; Ben is a pessimist. Locke is open; Ben is resistant. Normally Locke is at peace; Ben is in tension.
Basically, Locke's ideas usually involve a single insight that, while true enough, is often impractical and goes nowhere. For instance, a person like Locke (and they exist) may think that the way to world peace is "for everyone to love one another." While this is doubtlessly true, the problem not addressed is how to get everyone to love one another. A smart person like Ben wondering about the same problem would write a treatise on world peace after doing exhaustive historical research, eventually erecting a grand theory of peace. Maybe eliminating these "bad guys" is a part of that, and a smart person like Ben would have no problem eventually getting another smart person (like Sayid) to go with his Team.
Since Claire was supposed to raise Aaron or else disaster would surround the child I think it will be interesting to see exactly how wrong things can get now that Aaron is out of Claire's hands.
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You're a fan of Lost, but you're only NOW wondering about the show's inconsistencies?
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I'm not completely unaware of them. Like you I also think Season 2 is somewhat weak not to mention Jack's tattoo episode last year was aweful.
[quote author=Walter]Anyway, who do you think it is that Miles "works for" ?[/quote]
The Economist! Someone who is on one of Ben's lists I'm sure.
[quote author=Walter]My first thought was Alvar Honso, or his successor. He's the only individual I can think of that would want Ben dead, since he played a key role in demolishing Dharma.[/quote]
I actually don't think the Freighter are Dharma. I think Ben has completely taken control of Dharma and most of it's outside connections. This Freighter is something else.
[quote author=Walter]Miles' statement about how he knows who Ben is and what he can do ... I think it's trying to draw th viewers' minds back to his "magic box" stuff in early Season 3. Must be a pretty big box
[/quote]I'm thinking that Ben actually has exactly $3.2 somewhere on the Island and Miles learned of this from someone's spirit either outside or on the Island. I think Ben suspected that he knew and that's why he asked "Why not 3.3 or 3.4?" to test him.
[quote author=Aazealh]Ben only looks smart because all the others act like idiots AND at the same time are always sparing him even though he brings trouble again and again.[/quote]
The others don't "act" like idiots, most of them are simply not mental type people. Locke, Kate, Jack all live by their gut feeling. Locke is an idealizing dreamer, he's unrealistic, resigned, stubborn and unaware of his own anger... but he is genuinely good-natured and refreshingly unpretentious. Because of his peaceful demeanor, Locke have a talent for comforting and reassuring others and is able to exert a calming, healing influence in difficult or tense situations. He make a steady, supportive friend who can listen uncritically to others' problems as well as share their good times. An excellent mediator, able to harmonize groups and bring people together by really healing conflicts. That is/was his strength, but unlike Ben, he is not a mental person and so he doesn't think things through. To "maintain the peace," Locke tend not to show he's upsets very much, except indirectly— perhaps by eating, drinking, or watching television too much to escape into a more pleasant and comforting world. He also absorb a lot of tension and neglect—even outright abuse—before showing any kind of emotional response. But when his anger has been held back for too long, Locke can suddenly blow up, seemingly out of the blue. Once he have gotten something out of his system, Locke hope that the storm has blown over and that things will not go back to the way they were before.
Ben is almost the opposite, Ben is intense, strong-minded, argumentative, contentious, and highly resistant to the influence of others. Locke like people and trust them; perhaps at times he is too trusting. By contrast, Ben is suspicious of people and is anything but trusting, perhaps at times too cynical and resistant. Locke's intellectual prowess is compartmentalized. He is brilliant at what he does hunting in the forest but unfocused and inattentive everywhere else, whereas Ben is focused and attentive everywhere all the time. Just because Locke (and Kate, Jack) are thinking does not make them thinkers, like Ben.
The fundamental difference between the thinking of Locke and that of Ben is that Locke is impressionistic, involved with generalities, imaginative ruminations, and fanciful situations. Locke typically do not concern himself with details, nor is he usually good at following up once he have acted. By contrast, the thinking of Ben is highly focused, penetrating, and almost microscopic in the narrowness of its frame of reference. Ben love details, losing himself in research, scholarship, and complex intellectual pursuits. He thinks in depth, concentrating so much that he blocks out other perceptions. By contrast, Locke tends to have problems concentrating and he also tends to lose interest quickly and to allow his attention to drift off when he becomes bored or anxious.
Also, Locke tends to spin grand, sweeping, idealistic solutions to problems, while Ben tends to speculate on problems, then on the problems that their problems have raised, then on those problems, ad infinitum. Locke may be a gifted storyteller, able to communicate simply and effectively to others, even to children. Ben usually communicate to only a few or keep his ideas entirely to himself. (Moreover, his ideas may be so complicated that they are difficult to communicate to all but other specialists, like Daniel Faraday who is also a mental person.) Locke usually do not consider the consequences of his actions; Ben is extremely interested in predicting the consequences of every action. Locke simplify; Ben complexify. Locke look to the past; Ben to the future. Locke is a fantasists; Ben is a theorist. Locke is a utopian; Ben is a nihilist. Locke is an optimist; Ben is a pessimist. Locke is open; Ben is resistant. Normally Locke is at peace; Ben is in tension.
Basically, Locke's ideas usually involve a single insight that, while true enough, is often impractical and goes nowhere. For instance, a person like Locke (and they exist) may think that the way to world peace is "for everyone to love one another." While this is doubtlessly true, the problem not addressed is how to get everyone to love one another. A smart person like Ben wondering about the same problem would write a treatise on world peace after doing exhaustive historical research, eventually erecting a grand theory of peace. Maybe eliminating these "bad guys" is a part of that, and a smart person like Ben would have no problem eventually getting another smart person (like Sayid) to go with his Team.
Re: Lost Season 4
Hahaha, indeed. If the bad guys attack he'll just throw rocks at their copters to bring them down. I wonder what A.C's explanation for it is.
The writers probably forgot about that.
Filled you with awe?
Won't you stop with those lists? Who gives a shit if he's on a list, that doesn't tell us anything interesting.
It's more likely that Miles has a debt of some sort (maybe linked to his family or whatever) and it's exactly 3.2 million dollars and that's it.
Yes they do. Times and times again. It's not a question of being "mental" or not, they often act like they're about as smart as monkeys.
Griffith No More! said:Yeah, but it also confirmed Anthony Cooper must have passed on his super strength to Locke, did you see the impact he had on that solid wall just by hitting it with a dining tray?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwNNc2KgyoU
You'd think it was a flimsy wooden plank or something, incredible!
Hahaha, indeed. If the bad guys attack he'll just throw rocks at their copters to bring them down. I wonder what A.C's explanation for it is.
A.C said:
The writers probably forgot about that.
A.C said:
Filled you with awe?
A.C said:
Won't you stop with those lists? Who gives a shit if he's on a list, that doesn't tell us anything interesting.
A.C said:
It's more likely that Miles has a debt of some sort (maybe linked to his family or whatever) and it's exactly 3.2 million dollars and that's it.
A.C said:
Yes they do. Times and times again. It's not a question of being "mental" or not, they often act like they're about as smart as monkeys.
Re: Lost Season 4
Production error?
I think this episode confirms that thay have not forgotten about it.
What?
Aren't you interested in "Jacob's list"?
Then why didn't he say "okay" when Ben suggested 3.3 or 3.4?
Well, they're not as smart as you, but they're as smart as average people that exist in the world.
Aazealh said:
Production error?
Aazealh said:The writers probably forgot about that.
I think this episode confirms that thay have not forgotten about it.
Aazealh said:
What?
Aazealh said:
Aren't you interested in "Jacob's list"?
Aazealh said:
Then why didn't he say "okay" when Ben suggested 3.3 or 3.4?
Aazealh said:
Well, they're not as smart as you, but they're as smart as average people that exist in the world.
Re: Lost Season 4
Doesn't it confirm that Kate is a baby thief?
To some extent, but lists aren't my main interest in the series. If the answer to every question revolves around some mysterious list that we may or may not learn about later on (and that may or may not actually matter all that much), then consider me bored.
He didn't have much time and Ben was playing with his nerves. Asking for a precise sum in the first place was stupid anyway, he could have said 3.5 or something rounder. And if he was asking Ben for all the money he had, he would have probably been a little more concerned. Not to mention that it's not a big sum consideration the operations he's been financing.
Haha, well of course they're not as smart as me
, but unfortunately I also don't think they're averagely intelligent. Or to be more precise: compared to the intelligence they exhibit when it's convenient for the plot, the dumbness that sometimes takes place (also when it's convenient for the plot) is astounding. It's the same with how sometimes Jack acts like a badass, then the next episode he's a huge wimp for no reason at all. It's inconsistent.
A.C said:
Doesn't it confirm that Kate is a baby thief?
A.C said:
To some extent, but lists aren't my main interest in the series. If the answer to every question revolves around some mysterious list that we may or may not learn about later on (and that may or may not actually matter all that much), then consider me bored.
A.C said:
He didn't have much time and Ben was playing with his nerves. Asking for a precise sum in the first place was stupid anyway, he could have said 3.5 or something rounder. And if he was asking Ben for all the money he had, he would have probably been a little more concerned. Not to mention that it's not a big sum consideration the operations he's been financing.
A.C said:
Haha, well of course they're not as smart as me
, but unfortunately I also don't think they're averagely intelligent. Or to be more precise: compared to the intelligence they exhibit when it's convenient for the plot, the dumbness that sometimes takes place (also when it's convenient for the plot) is astounding. It's the same with how sometimes Jack acts like a badass, then the next episode he's a huge wimp for no reason at all. It's inconsistent.
Griffith
With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
Re: Lost Season 4
My rating is two touchdowns and two Sayid neckbreaks. =)
Well, that was a neat little episode, I really enjoyed having a little mini sci-fi-esque story in there that fit into a one off format. It was better than the entire "Yer goin ta dye chawly" saga. Looking forward to further discussion once more people have seen it (don't forget those spoiler tags).
My rating is two touchdowns and two Sayid neckbreaks. =)
Re: Lost Season 4
While I really liked the Desmond story, seeing the actual Freighter was somewhat anti-climatic. There didn't seem to be many people onboard and they weren't very sophisticated. I also recognize the doctor but I can't remember where I've seen him before. Maybe I just recognize the actor from a different show but I could have sworn I've seen him before on Lost...
I wonder now if this "side effect" is what happened to Rousseau's crew. She mentioned how they got an "illness" or something.
I hope this episode doesn't lead to more crazy timeloop theories as I've had enough of them. Oh yeah, the writers/producers said that the past/future/present can't be altered in the Lost universe.
I wonder now if this "side effect" is what happened to Rousseau's crew. She mentioned how they got an "illness" or something.
I hope this episode doesn't lead to more crazy timeloop theories as I've had enough of them. Oh yeah, the writers/producers said that the past/future/present can't be altered in the Lost universe.
Re: Lost Season 4
Hey A.C, didn't you read what Griffith wrote in his post? Spoiler tags please, at least until tomorrow. I added them to your post this time around, but don't play with fire.
As for the episode, well I liked it a lot. Pretty cool honestly, probably the best of season 4 to me so far.
Hey A.C, didn't you read what Griffith wrote in his post? Spoiler tags please, at least until tomorrow. I added them to your post this time around, but don't play with fire.
As for the episode, well I liked it a lot. Pretty cool honestly, probably the best of season 4 to me so far.
Desmond is a cool character that we should see more often, the story was nice and original enough, and the ending with Penny was actually emotional and well done. Frank's also getting more and more appreciation from me, and it was nice to get a solid confirmation that Faraday's not as useless as Miles (who's really a wizard that'll end up leading Locke to Jacob, I'm sure). The only real lame part was the bogus ray Faraday shot on the mouse, but that's alright.
A.C said:
Well, I didn't really expect anything more. What did you think it would be, a super sophisticated ship looking like a B-2? No portholes, and only red and green lights on the roof? About the doc, I don't remember him from anywhere in particular.
A.C said:
Hmm I don't know, she had to kill them herself because they were dangerous, and it was all tied to the "vaccine" they had to give Aaron and all that shit. I think it's yet another plot thread that the writers forgot about, and that isn't related to this time-travelling business at all.
A.C said:
If the producers really said so, apparently they've changed their mind (or they lied, or they're stupid, or the story's contradictory, far-fetched and already full of plot holes).
Griffith
With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
Re: Lost Season 4
Yeah, I'm not sure what you expected from the freighter either A.C., but it makes me think you'll end up being the most disappointed with the show out of all of us by the end. =)
He ignores my posts now because I'm not a true believer. =)
Yeah, I'm not sure what you expected from the freighter either A.C., but it makes me think you'll end up being the most disappointed with the show out of all of us by the end. =)
A.C said:
Goes to show how much whatever they say is worth, as Will Ferrell's Bad Doctor might say, "Well, I just did alter the past/future/present in the Lost universe that way!"
Aazealh said:
He ignores my posts now because I'm not a true believer. =)
Aazealh said:
Agreed, I wouldn't mind more of this as it was actually done quite nicely, especially compared to a lot of the other crap going on (and what unfortunately looks like it's going to be more of next week). Now THIS episode actually reminded me of that old school Lost feeling; when the show was at it's best, and they actually did interesting stand alone stories that wrapped up by the end but tied into and subtly advanced the bigger picture. And while it was was clever enough on its own, it was also great play on the flashback/forward format.
Griffith
With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
Re: Lost Season 4
Well, as we saw, all it takes is a phone call. BTW, was it just me, or was 1996 Faraday channeling Corey Feldman? =)
As for Aaron, it's unknown if he's considered one of the six or not. The whole thing is obviously very shady though, what with the World believing him to be Kate's (in either case, it'll be interesting to see how they pull that off). My guess would be no, but that could be wishful thinking since I'd rather see two other important cast members off island.
As for Aaron, it's unknown if he's considered one of the six or not. The whole thing is obviously very shady though, what with the World believing him to be Kate's (in either case, it'll be interesting to see how they pull that off). My guess would be no, but that could be wishful thinking since I'd rather see two other important cast members off island.
Re: Lost Season 4
theblackswordman said:
Yeah, like Griff said it's hard to know about Aaron. Personally I'm thinking yes, because even if he's a kid he should still count as a survivor. But who knows. As for Faraday, honestly I don't think that constant thing will play out, to me it was just added for the "neat" effect.
Re: Lost Season 4
Sorry.
Does that mean we can stop using them now? (In which case feel free to remove them)
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[quote author=Griffith No More!]Yeah, I'm not sure what you expected from the freighter either A.C., but it makes me think you'll end up being the most disappointed with the show out of all of us by the end. =)[/quote]
I think you, me, and most everyone will say "Lost sure was an awesome show" and "those writers were genius" in the end.
[quote author=Griffith No More!]I wouldn't mind more of this as it was actually done quite nicely, especially compared to a lot of the other crap going on (and what unfortunately looks like it's going to be more of next week).[/quote]
What is this "crap" that is "currently going on"? Everything (except the relationship between Kate and Sawyer) is very interesting right now. This episode was awesome, but next week also looks like a good one. I see what you mean by the whole stand alone stories though, but it's probably a bit difficult to do those when we're in the beginning of the end.
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Aazealh said:
Sorry.
Does that mean we can stop using them now? (In which case feel free to remove them)
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it was nice to get a solid confirmation that Faraday's not as useless as Miles (who's really a wizard that'll end up leading Locke to Jacob, I'm sure).
That's an interesting theory, but isn't a wizard full of use?
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Well, I didn't really expect anything more. What did you think it would be, a super sophisticated ship looking like a B-2? No portholes, and only red and green lights on the roof? About the doc, I don't remember him from anywhere in particular.
I was thinking there would be a skyscraper on it. No, but I thought it would be more like a "base" for a group of bad guys. The sophisticated phones kind of gave me that impression. Now that Minkowski's dead there seems to be just Regina, the doctor, Keamy, Omar, Ben's spy, the Captain and maybe a few others onboard. But I'm not really disappointed, I was just surprised. It's amazing how much the story manages to progress this season all the while not progressing any of my theories at all, lol. After Sayid's episode it makes sense that the "bad guys" have their center all over the world anyway.
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Hmm I don't know, she had to kill them herself because they were dangerous, and it was all tied to the "vaccine" they had to give Aaron and all that shit. I think it's yet another plot thread that the writers forgot about, and that isn't related to this time-travelling business at all.
If I remember correctly Rousseau didn't know about any vaccine, it was just something Claire catched on to when she started remembering Ethan's vaccine (which was created by Juliet to help pregnant women) there is of course the vaccine in the Hatch but we don't know if it's connected to the same sickness. I kind of hope it's not the same as this "side effect" though. I still don't know why two of the Freighter people would get them. Did they get exposed to radiation in the communication room or something?
[quote author=Aazealh]
If the producers really said so, apparently they've changed their mind (or they lied, or they're stupid, or the story's contradictory, far-fetched and already full of plot holes).
Basically, they're avoiding "paradoxes". They set the rules through Mrs. Hawkings in "Flashes Before Your Eyes" when she said the universe has a way of "course-correcting". I don't see how they've "changed their mind" or "lied" or what's "stupid" or "contradictory". You're awefully quick at judging the writers of this show.
[quote author=Griffith No More!]Yeah, I'm not sure what you expected from the freighter either A.C., but it makes me think you'll end up being the most disappointed with the show out of all of us by the end. =)[/quote]
I think you, me, and most everyone will say "Lost sure was an awesome show" and "those writers were genius" in the end.
[quote author=Griffith No More!]I wouldn't mind more of this as it was actually done quite nicely, especially compared to a lot of the other crap going on (and what unfortunately looks like it's going to be more of next week).[/quote]
What is this "crap" that is "currently going on"? Everything (except the relationship between Kate and Sawyer) is very interesting right now. This episode was awesome, but next week also looks like a good one. I see what you mean by the whole stand alone stories though, but it's probably a bit difficult to do those when we're in the beginning of the end.
[quote author=theblackswordman]
So Faraday chose Desmund as "constant", My God if Desmund leaves with Sayid,, how will it go then?
Hmm, I got the impression that Faraday will use Desmond as his constant only if something "goes wrong". At least that's what I think it said in the notes. I'm with Aaz on that one. I also get this feeling that Sayid will end up killing everyone on that boat
[quote author=theblackswordman]
By the way is Aaron considered one of the Oceanic six?
My bet is he's not.
Re: Lost Season 4
Yeah, I think now it should be alright. Let your post be the last one with them.
Yeah, I was more or less kidding about it. Though he's proven rather useless so far, I do think he'll show some sort of power later on. At least, that's what his flashback seemed to imply to me, regardless of the ridiculous vacuum/stealing money part.
Ok, that skyscraper line made me snicker, I admit. I see what you mean about the boat, and it's true that it seems a bit lousy after the way it's been hyped up in the show. However it looks more realistic than if they'd been on an aircraft carrier or something of that size. With a "small" (it's not that small) vessel they can be more discreet too, and look like some random guys if they come across some country's military force.
Well, if I'm not mistaken, Charlie went to get some of this magic elixir for Claire and Aaron after he'd been born, and I'm pretty sure Rousseau related the sickness to it. Remember how she took Claire to that specific (and deserted) hatch? I haven't watched it since it first aired so it's not so clear in my mind, but I'm pretty sure she had come forward on her own to warn Claire about Aaron's possible problem because of her own experience. As for Juliet's pregnancy research and its connection to the rest, it seems to be like it was tacked on afterwards and is basically a retcon of the "Ethan" part of the story. Especially considering the fact that it never worked before Claire's case, without any change being made ot it.
He explains that they wanted to see the island because they were bored, so they took off in the ship's tender, but on the way to the island the other guy started acting crazy so they went back.
It's spelled "awful". And please don't get so defensive; don't you see why there's a problem with those claims when we just got a time fuckery episode? Are you telling me that Desmond, Faraday and Penelope had just forgot all this shit when it only happened 8 years ago? That's some serious bullshit right there. I mean, Faraday gives the numbers to make his experiment work to himself through Desmond, that's an impossible timeloop in itself. And there are more examples, not only in this episode but in others as well. If they really wanted to avoid paradoxes they should have put a little more thought into it.
Yeah, that's what the notes said. And I wouldn't mind if Sayid slaughtered everybody. It's time for him to live up to his profession. Anyway, other than all of what has been said, I was also happy to see Widmore buying something from the Black Rock off some Hanso guy (maybe the owner of the Hanso foundation?). I'm sure learning more about it would shed some light on some of the Others, that were probably on the ship.
A.C said:
Yeah, I think now it should be alright. Let your post be the last one with them.
A.C said:
Yeah, I was more or less kidding about it. Though he's proven rather useless so far, I do think he'll show some sort of power later on. At least, that's what his flashback seemed to imply to me, regardless of the ridiculous vacuum/stealing money part.
A.C said:
Ok, that skyscraper line made me snicker, I admit.
I see what you mean about the boat, and it's true that it seems a bit lousy after the way it's been hyped up in the show. However it looks more realistic than if they'd been on an aircraft carrier or something of that size. With a "small" (it's not that small) vessel they can be more discreet too, and look like some random guys if they come across some country's military force.A.C said:
Well, if I'm not mistaken, Charlie went to get some of this magic elixir for Claire and Aaron after he'd been born, and I'm pretty sure Rousseau related the sickness to it. Remember how she took Claire to that specific (and deserted) hatch? I haven't watched it since it first aired so it's not so clear in my mind, but I'm pretty sure she had come forward on her own to warn Claire about Aaron's possible problem because of her own experience. As for Juliet's pregnancy research and its connection to the rest, it seems to be like it was tacked on afterwards and is basically a retcon of the "Ethan" part of the story. Especially considering the fact that it never worked before Claire's case, without any change being made ot it.
A.C said:
He explains that they wanted to see the island because they were bored, so they took off in the ship's tender, but on the way to the island the other guy started acting crazy so they went back.
A.C said:
It's spelled "awful". And please don't get so defensive; don't you see why there's a problem with those claims when we just got a time fuckery episode? Are you telling me that Desmond, Faraday and Penelope had just forgot all this shit when it only happened 8 years ago? That's some serious bullshit right there. I mean, Faraday gives the numbers to make his experiment work to himself through Desmond, that's an impossible timeloop in itself. And there are more examples, not only in this episode but in others as well. If they really wanted to avoid paradoxes they should have put a little more thought into it.
A.C said:Hmm, I got the impression that Faraday will use Desmond as his constant only if something "goes wrong". At least that's what I think it said in the notes. I'm with Aaz on that one. I also get this feeling that Sayid will end up killing everyone on that boat
Yeah, that's what the notes said. And I wouldn't mind if Sayid slaughtered everybody. It's time for him to live up to his profession. Anyway, other than all of what has been said, I was also happy to see Widmore buying something from the Black Rock off some Hanso guy (maybe the owner of the Hanso foundation?). I'm sure learning more about it would shed some light on some of the Others, that were probably on the ship.
Re: Lost Season 4
I checked the episode (Maternity Leave) to be sure. Rousseau doesn't actually say anything about a vaccine, Claire notice that Aaron has a fever and Rousseau shows up and says "He's infected, isn't he? Your child is sick." Claire tells her to get away and Rousseau responds "You don't remember, do you?"
Then the flashes appear when Ethan says "It's a vaccine, we don't want him to get sick." (of course this is a lie and the vaccine is really one for Claire that Juliet made.) Kate then chase Rousseau away. Rousseau doesn't relate the sickness to a vaccine ever from what I recall. She didn't take Claire to the medical hatch, only to where Rousseau found her, then Claire was the one who took them to the Hatch on her own and Rousseau followed her because she was looking for Alex.
As for Charlie, he found some vaccine on the Dharma supply drop several episodes later and figured that Claire and Aaron should have it. I felt this was simply a plot device to let Charlie get onto Claire's good side again.
Well it never worked before Claire's case since those women got pregnant on the island while Claire got pregnant pre-island. It makes sense that the vaccine for Claire is different from the other Dharma vaccine in the hatch so I don't think it was a retcon.
Anyway, Rousseau's original description for "the sickness" in season one is interesting. Rousseau seem to imply that the Others brought "it" back from The Black Rock. She's talking in a very cryptic and confusing way but when Rousseau and Sayid are pointing their rifles at eachother Danielle says that she took away the mechanism on Sayid's rifle and that "Robert didn't notice either" when she shot him (can't wait to see this stuff in a flashback!)
Sayid asks why and Danielle says that he got "sick" and "took them one by one". Hmm. I'm also curious why Danielle's "research expedition" was carrying guns. Sayid asks this but Danielle never gives an answer.
Yes, but it seemed like Desmond suffered the "side effects" because he had been exposed to electromagnetism, that was Faraday's theory anyway. If anyone can suffer these side-effects regardless of having had future visions or not then how could Danielle, the 815ers, Juliet (the sub), Naomi, and the helicopter go in without any side effects? Not to mention Frank and Sayid who were with Desmond on the same baring?
It wasn't that much time fuckery in this episode, nothing that would create an outright paradox big enough to alter the present.
Desmond's past self recieved knowledge but it only helped to reinforce course-correction. There's also the possibility that entering the island force field (or whatever it is) causes memory loss. Faraday certainly seemed to have a problem with his memory last episode with the cards. And Penelope did remember that Desmond would call her, but since she didn't know why or might not even have believed it it doesn't change the possibility that she would still show up at the stadium etc... Basically, the consciousness in the past could change, but it will not alter the future state of the world in such a way that suddenly Desmond will find himself in an alternate 2004 like Heroes or Back to the Future part 2. (They even used those examples.) So while such a possibility *could* be explored with this concept if they wanted to, they will not actually go ahead and create alternate dimensions in the show. Mrs. Hawkings rules is law.
To use this as an example, the likely scenario is that Faraday would soon be discovering those numbers and he gives them to Desmond so he will confirm it a bit earlier, and this could just be a week before Faraday actually gets the numbers right anyway (the fact that Desmond's numbers makes sense to him in the past confirms that he was onto them in the first place) thus nothing is really altered.
Yeah that was strange. How could the logbok (it looked like a logbook) end up in the hands of pirates and the actual ship on the island? Does this mean pirates attacked the ship and took the log before it disappeared?
Aazealh said:
I checked the episode (Maternity Leave) to be sure. Rousseau doesn't actually say anything about a vaccine, Claire notice that Aaron has a fever and Rousseau shows up and says "He's infected, isn't he? Your child is sick." Claire tells her to get away and Rousseau responds "You don't remember, do you?"
Then the flashes appear when Ethan says "It's a vaccine, we don't want him to get sick." (of course this is a lie and the vaccine is really one for Claire that Juliet made.) Kate then chase Rousseau away. Rousseau doesn't relate the sickness to a vaccine ever from what I recall. She didn't take Claire to the medical hatch, only to where Rousseau found her, then Claire was the one who took them to the Hatch on her own and Rousseau followed her because she was looking for Alex.
As for Charlie, he found some vaccine on the Dharma supply drop several episodes later and figured that Claire and Aaron should have it. I felt this was simply a plot device to let Charlie get onto Claire's good side again.
Aazealh said:
Well it never worked before Claire's case since those women got pregnant on the island while Claire got pregnant pre-island. It makes sense that the vaccine for Claire is different from the other Dharma vaccine in the hatch so I don't think it was a retcon.
Anyway, Rousseau's original description for "the sickness" in season one is interesting. Rousseau seem to imply that the Others brought "it" back from The Black Rock. She's talking in a very cryptic and confusing way but when Rousseau and Sayid are pointing their rifles at eachother Danielle says that she took away the mechanism on Sayid's rifle and that "Robert didn't notice either" when she shot him (can't wait to see this stuff in a flashback!)
Sayid asks why and Danielle says that he got "sick" and "took them one by one". Hmm. I'm also curious why Danielle's "research expedition" was carrying guns. Sayid asks this but Danielle never gives an answer.
Aazealh said:
Yes, but it seemed like Desmond suffered the "side effects" because he had been exposed to electromagnetism, that was Faraday's theory anyway. If anyone can suffer these side-effects regardless of having had future visions or not then how could Danielle, the 815ers, Juliet (the sub), Naomi, and the helicopter go in without any side effects? Not to mention Frank and Sayid who were with Desmond on the same baring?
Aazealh said:
It wasn't that much time fuckery in this episode, nothing that would create an outright paradox big enough to alter the present.
Aazealh said:
Desmond's past self recieved knowledge but it only helped to reinforce course-correction. There's also the possibility that entering the island force field (or whatever it is) causes memory loss. Faraday certainly seemed to have a problem with his memory last episode with the cards. And Penelope did remember that Desmond would call her, but since she didn't know why or might not even have believed it it doesn't change the possibility that she would still show up at the stadium etc... Basically, the consciousness in the past could change, but it will not alter the future state of the world in such a way that suddenly Desmond will find himself in an alternate 2004 like Heroes or Back to the Future part 2. (They even used those examples.) So while such a possibility *could* be explored with this concept if they wanted to, they will not actually go ahead and create alternate dimensions in the show. Mrs. Hawkings rules is law.
Aazealh said:
To use this as an example, the likely scenario is that Faraday would soon be discovering those numbers and he gives them to Desmond so he will confirm it a bit earlier, and this could just be a week before Faraday actually gets the numbers right anyway (the fact that Desmond's numbers makes sense to him in the past confirms that he was onto them in the first place) thus nothing is really altered.
Aazealh said:
Yeah that was strange. How could the logbok (it looked like a logbook) end up in the hands of pirates and the actual ship on the island? Does this mean pirates attacked the ship and took the log before it disappeared?