Zodd vs Skull Knight

Walter said:

But in that specific panel, Femto doesn't "miss" He either hesitates, or was unable to use his power for a moment. My money is on hesitation.

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I agree with hesitation. I doubt Femto has a 'range' where he is able to air-squish things. It was during the Eclipse dammit, all bets were off and Femto had the upper hand.
So yeah, hesitation.
What I wonder sometimes is why the Godhand didn't make a move after one was made on Void. They just probably think Skully isn't a big deal. Similiar to how Griffith looked down upon Guts in Vol.3.

*EDIT* Plus Skully moves SUPER FAST! Word Aaz

Proj2501 said:

What I wonder sometimes is why the Godhand didn't make a move after one was made on Void. They just probably think Skully isn't a big deal. Similiar to how Griffith looked down upon Guts in Vol.3.

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Don't forget he was going extremely fast. It's the same for how he escaped Femto. They might not have had time to do anything at all (which is what I believe myself). I don't think you give old Skully enough credit.

So it's like this?

Okin said:

So it's like this?

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3145/coyoteandroadrunneruy8.jpg

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This also explains why Skully didn't get hit with an ACME piano or anvil while escaping!

I think Griffith did not "air squish" SK,Guts, and Casca because he made a quick decision not to because Casca was pregnant..and that through the child he can be incarnated.

Gnihilyn said:

I think Griffith did not "air squish" SK,Guts, and Casca because he made a quick decision not to because Casca was pregnant..and that through the child he can be incarnated.

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There were far too many unknown variables in between Femto's birth and Griffith's incarnation for me to buy that. It's a larger leap of faith then I would be willing to take.

If he just wanted the child so that he could be incarnated in the future, why leave Sk alive? or Guts? Why not just Casca?

Edit: Wait what is this doing in the Zodd vs Skullknight thread???

Gnihilyn said:

I think Griffith did not "air squish" SK,Guts, and Casca because he made a quick decision not to because Casca was pregnant..and that through the child he can be incarnated.

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But nothing indicates he knew she was pregnant. Nor that he knew he would be incarnated as a new Griffith years later. Much less through that particular child. I've said it before and I'll say it again: that whole sequence of events was the work of a higher being.

A higher being, huh. Yeah that does seem much more likely... A transcendental being capable of influence great enough to turn the tides of causality in its favor. How can more prominent creatures like the Skull Knight, Zodd and GODHAND have great or little insight into this higher power's forethought. Are they all mere pawns in the scheme this entity? Do the GODHAND seek some manner of liberty from such a being?
What are your predictions if any?

p.s If you do have a prediction... Do not let cowerdice serve as a hindrance. Try to refrain from saying "Oh well we'll just have to wait and see."

I think my biggest problem with the theory is that the demon child may actually be Griffith's greatest weakness. No matter who arranged it, it might result in Griffith's undoing. If the Idea of Evil was responsible, why would it give Griffith such a weakness? If it was Femto well.. same problem. I'm going to speculate that it might have actually been the Behelit-apostles' fault. The child reminded him of himself and that was his reason for swallowing the child. It didn't seem to be a vital part of whatever it was planning. Or maybe I should say that it wasn't necessary for Griffith's incarnation to happen. It would have happened regardless. Otherwise, wouldn't the Behelit-apostle have searched for a potential host in the first place? Maybe it was an act of kindness by the behelit-apostle.. in some way. He may have been an apostle but like the Count and Rochine, he may have had a weakness or soft spot. In this case for another being that was just like him. Abandoned and dieing.

Regarding the fact that the demon child serves as a debility to Griffith... Well in life as in literature in certain situations great weaknesses have a way of becoming great strengths... Or in this case serve as some manner of safeguard. For example:

If Casca obtains her sanity and finds herself becoming witness to... Say guts about to cut down Griffith who is in a rather disturbing way - her son, would she then be compelled to interfere? And how would Guts react to such an objection?... Huh, oh crap wait no time to thinks Guts. The distraction was enough for Griffith to gain the upperhand or escape.

Gnihilyn said:

A higher being, huh. Yeah that does seem much more likely... A transcendental being capable of influence great enough to turn the tides of causality in its favor.

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Yes, the Idea of Evil. The being who manipulates causality and who created the God Hand.

Gnihilyn said:

How can more prominent creatures like the Skull Knight, Zodd and GODHAND have great or little insight into this higher power's forethought. Are they all mere pawns in the scheme this entity? Do the GODHAND seek some manner of liberty from such a being?

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Just nitpicking, but it's spelt "God Hand" with a space. Like "Skull Knight" or "Black Swordsman". Anyway, the God Hand are the closest to the Idea of Evil. They're its direct emissaries, and they don't seek liberty simply because they don't need to. They've been told to just do whatever they wanted during their transformation, and so they're doing. The trick is that their personal ambitions match the Idea of Evil's plans anyway.

Gnihilyn said:

p.s If you do have a prediction... Do not let cowerdice serve as a hindrance. Try to refrain from saying "Oh well we'll just have to wait and see."

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Uh, are you talking to me?

Ramen4ever said:

I think my biggest problem with the theory is that the demon child may actually be Griffith's greatest weakness. No matter who arranged it, it might result in Griffith's undoing. If the Idea of Evil was responsible, why would it give Griffith such a weakness? If it was Femto well.. same problem.

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Who knows. Maybe it was unavoidable. Maybe the Idea of Evil can't plan all the little details with perfect accuracy. Maybe there was a "glitch" due to the special place and time it occurred (see SK's speech to Guts). There are many possibilities.

Ramen4ever said:

I'm going to speculate that it might have actually been the Beherit-apostles' fault. The child reminded him of himself and that was his reason for swallowing the child. It didn't seem to be a vital part of whatever it was planning.

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I don't buy it. Even if it was the Beherit-Apostle's fault, it'd still imply that the Idea of Evil would failed on some level. And the whole point of the child being there as a convenient coincidence is that the Beherit-Apostle didn't know what was going to happen. He only wanted to give birth to a new, perfect world. But he was part of a greater scheme. And what were those episodes called already? "Shadow of Idea". There's no coincidence.

Ramen4ever said:

Or maybe I should say that it wasn't necessary for Griffith's incarnation to happen. It would have happened regardless. Otherwise, wouldn't the Beherit-apostle have searched for a potential host in the first place? Maybe it was an act of kindness by the Beherit-apostle.. in some way. He may have been an apostle but like the Count and Rochine, he may have had a weakness or soft spot. In this case for another being that was just like him. Abandoned and dieing.

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Oh, it was definitely needed. Femto needed a body, the Beherit-Apostle was just the shell (the egg, as it calls itself). And like I said, the fact he didn't really know the part he was going to play and simply reacted instinctively when he conveniently saw the child just at the right time spells out "Idea of Evil" to me.

Gnihilyn said:

If Casca obtains her sanity and finds herself becoming witness to... Say guts about to cut down Griffith who is in a rather disturbing way - her son, would she then be compelled to interfere? And how would Guts react to such an objection?... Huh, oh crap wait no time to thinks Guts. The distraction was enough for Griffith to gain the upperhand or escape.

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Don't forget that it's Guts' son as well as Casca's.

Anyway, this is getting seriously off-topic. There are tons of threads on the subject, please peruse them if you have any other questions about the Idea of Evil. You can even revive a recent one if it's really needed.

While i like to think that Guts child is the one who washed up onshore and resembles Caska and Guts in similarity, Griffith is his own daddy, like God is his own daddy. Caska just happend to be the manga version of the virgin Mary (not attempting to bring religion into the world of Japanese entertainment, learned from EVA never works).

But back on topic. I personally agree with the idea the Skull Knight is slightly stronger than Zodd aswell. Definitely since how he saved Guts from Slan in the Dwarves mountain, and that after the dwarf womb. He continually keeps an ominous presence in the story line despite having fought Zodd over and over again. He probably just doesnt want to kill the Enemy's guard dog and thats what zodd is.

Asuka's Lover said:

While i like to think that Guts child is the one who washed up onshore and resembles Casca and Guts in similarity, Griffith is his own daddy, like God is his own daddy. Casca just happend to be the manga version of the virgin Mary (not attempting to bring religion into the world of Japanese entertainment, learned from EVA never works).

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I think it's a bit different from what you say. Guts and Casca had a child that Femto corrupted and made into a deformed creature. Then years later, Femto needed a body, and it just happened to be their child that the Beherit-Apostle used. So Guts and Casca really are the parents of the being whose body Femto overtook. And we know from the story that their son hasn't completely disappeared in the process either. In fact he even seems capable of forcing Griffith to act (protecting Casca). Now of course I still wouldn't take the shortcut of saying they're Griffith's parents, but the fact remains he inhabits their son's former body.

As for the Moonlight Boy, we don't really know who or what he is yet...

Asuka's Lover said:

Definitely since how he saved Guts from Slan in the Dwarves mountain, and that after the dwarf womb.

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I take it you mean the troll cave? And the Qliphoth, that Slan called her womb? It's got nothing to do with dwarves.

Asuka's Lover said:

He probably just doesnt want to kill the Enemy's guard dog and thats what zodd is.

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I don't know about that. Nowadays Zodd acts as Griffith's first lieutenant and personal flying escort, but he used to be a wandering loner, and he objected when SK spoke of him as guarding the Eclipse ceremony's entrance. I think there's more to him than just being a "guard dog".