Walter said:I believe Saiya just meant Ganishka bypassed the normal transportation method with his own, reckless, passing on the left maneuver, and the cops might pull him over.
Walter said:To allow Ganishka to bring this massive swell of evil into the world, as we've been saying in the past 3 episode threads (and in this thread as well). Since Sonia uttered that phrase ("The principles of this world will now end.") in 295, it's been pretty clear this spilling of evil is the beginning of the end for the old world order, which is precisely what Griffith, and by association, the God Hand, have been planning all along.
We just don't know what the specific implications are going to be yet.
MaN said:May be its because Griffith needed a bigger spectacle to show the people "the Falcon of Light" of their dreams. Comparing the two times Griffith and Ganishka met, this certainly is more apocalyptic.
Walter said:I believe Saiya just meant Ganishka bypassed the normal transportation method with his own, reckless, passing on the left maneuver, and the cops might pull him over.
Ramen4ever said:Well their previous encounter would not have been any less spectacular. A small army defeating the Kushan with the entire Holy See Alliance watching. And interestingly enough he could of killed Ganishka then without making his apostles transform.
xela26 said:In all that mess, I wonder how Daiba will finish
What will he do after the end of his Master??? I doubt he'll join Griffith...
xela26 said:In all that mess, I wonder how Daiba will finish
What will he do after the end of his Master??? I doubt he'll join Griffith...
zrexe said:I wonder if Guts requires another sorceror in his troupe
Though, I think it might be likely he join Silat and gang...
einherjar said:I think Daiba is on par with Schierke
einherjar said:They need to find a "Guts" before it's all over for them!
Rhombaad said:I disagree. While he may have some magical skill, most of what we've seen him use (especially in episode 271) was due to his possession of the kundalini. He appears to have minor control of the air around him when we see him deflecting Ganishka's fog of death in episode 292, but Schierke is Flora's disciple and on an entirely different level. She can summon beings like the Four Elemental Kings, the Lady of the Depths and the Blaze Rod, for example. If it came down to a battle of magic, I think Schierke would trounce him.
El Gaucho Rojo said:Using that kind of logic, wouldn't Schierke be more powerful than Ganishka and Flora too then?
Rhombaad said:How so?
SaiyajinNoOuji said:I think that a vortex of souls would come out... well depending how Ganishka is taken care of. If he is physically brought down and reverts to what ever his true form is, then I can see the Vortex of souls making a come back, which is more plausible since Ganishka went into the other layers with out anyone's permission ().
Ramen4ever said:Somehow I doubt Ganishka actually went against the will of the Idea of Evil. Whats more likely is that he is just a pawn in the grand scheme of things.
Ramen4ever said:And of more interest, why did Griffith push Ganishka to this extreme? He could of killed him effortlessly at their last meeting. The conflict wouldofHAVE been over instantly, with only clean up remaining in Wyndham. Griffith has repeatedly used the tactic of cutting of the head of an army.
MaN said:May be its because Griffith needed a bigger spectacle to show the people "the Falcon of Light" of their dreams. Comparing the two times Griffith and Ganishka met, this certainly is more apocalyptic.
SaiyajinNoOuji said:Well I suppose... I was just stating that if there was a choice between a full eclipse ceremony happening or something of that nature with the defeat of Ganishka... I think a vortex of souls would be more feasible.
xela26 said:One other thing to take in account is that Griffith is seeking for Midland kingdom so it makes more sense to defeat Ganishka in front of Midlanders near Wyndham than to win in a foreign country (even if allied with Midland).
xela26 said:In all that mess, I wonder how Daiba will finish
What will he do after the end of his Master??? I doubt he'll join Griffith...
El Gaucho Rojo said:I'm not too privy on most of the episodes, but doesn't Silat have the Tapasa, warriors who are incredibly powerful?
El Gaucho Rojo said:If Daiba doesn't die, I don't see why he couldn't claim Ganishka's empty throne, ruling the Kushan lands.
El Gaucho Rojo said:I guess what I'm trying to say in a roundabout way is that we simply can't say Schierke is more powerful than Daiba because of what we, the readers, have seen. We don't know what he has done, what he will do, and what he's capable of doing.
Aazealh said:Are you serious? Daiba doesn't really have the shoulders to be an emperor. Nor the power to back it up. I expect that after the war, the Kushan empire will split into various factions and clans, things basically returning as they were before an iron rule had united them.
Schierke is more powerful than Daiba because she has a much better and much deeper understanding of how the world works, and by extension how magic works. She can call on higher astral beings, unlike him. Daiba didn't even understand what Schierke did when she summoned the Blaze Wheel, but she saw through all his tricks, she knew of the Kundalini and its powers, and had no trouble finding even Ganishka's weak point when he appeared.
What has Daiba shown that was magic of his own? Creating a flux of air, levitating and using telepathy. That's the extent of his own power as shown to us so far. His knowledge seems quite limited in spite of his old age, whereas Schierke as a kid has already defeated him in a duel of sorcery (the fire she summoned on the DS dispersed the Kundalini's water) while the environment was to Daiba's advantage. And through all this, Daiba has seemingly been relying on his master's powers (e.g. smoking his fog).
Knowledge and practice make up a large part of a magic user's power, and as Flora's apprentice, Schierke has had a lot of both. Don't forget that Ganishka, as an apostle, is an exceptional case.
El Gaucho Rojo said:Ah, I see. What I know of Daiba is what I've read about him since I haven't actually seen him in action. I apologize for my ignorant assumptions. And thank you for correcting me. :)
Aazealh said:What has Daiba shown that was magic of his own? Creating a flux of air or water. That's the extent of his own power as shown to us so far. His knowledge seems quite limited in spite of his old age ....
And through all this, Daiba has seemingly been relying on his master's powers (e.g. smoking his fog).
xela26 said:And what about the "Reincarnator" ?? Daiba qualified it as the grand work of his life.
I'm not sure, but even if he had less knowledge than Schierke, he was still able to construct this "device"... showing he knows little things about the layers of the world...
xela26 said:To get back to the episode, I wonder how the big Ganishka will react after the destruction of its minions (if he can notice/ feel their presence)
El Gaucho Rojo said:I apologize. I should've been more specific. The logic behind determining the power of a magic user in your statement appears to be along the lines of: (number of entities summoned) + (number of spells used in the story) = (magical strength of the magic user). In other words, you said Schierke is more powerful than Daiba because she has summoned more entities and used more spells than him. However, she has also done more in the story, at least what we've seen (and more specifically, what I know, lol), than Ganishka and Flora too. She has summoned far more entities and cast more spells than them. Therefore, according to the presented logic, Schierke is more powerful than Flora and Ganishka too.
I guess what I'm trying to say in a roundabout way is that we simply can't say Schierke is more powerful than Daiba because of what we, the readers, have seen. We don't know what he has done, what he will do, and what he's capable of doing.
Walter said:I believe Saiya just meant Ganishka bypassed the normal transportation method with his own, reckless, passing on the left maneuver, and the cops might pull him over.
To allow Ganishka to bring this massive swell of evil into the world, as we've been saying in the past 3 episode threads (and in this thread as well). Since Sonia uttered that phrase ("The principles of this world will now end.") in 295, it's been pretty clear this spilling of evil is the beginning of the end for the old world order, which is precisely what Griffith, and by association, the God Hand, have been planning all along.
We just don't know what the specific implications are going to be yet.
Jarome said:Yes, this was told in the past episodes but I'm still wondering why Griffith is using Ganishka to bring toward darkness into Midland? I mean he's the God Hand leader, isn't that something he could do by himself? Yes, he needs to point the evil elsewhere and to prove to everyone that he is Midland's savior but still so I'm wondering why he hasn't killed Ganishkan when he had the opportunity.
Jarome said:Yes, this was told in the past episodes but I'm still wondering why Griffith is using Ganishka to bring toward darkness into Midland? I mean he's the God Hand leader, isn't that something he could do by himself?
Jarome said:On another note, as it even been implied how Sonia got her foresight powers? Do y'all believe the IoE could be manipulating her visions as well?
Ramen4ever said:This entire little discussion seems to be missing the point. Yes Griffith most likely kept Ganishka alive so he could do his transformation. Which would imply that Griffith knows the whole story. And that would mean that no matter what Ganishka does. He's still in the palm of Griffith's hand. So although Ganishka may have done something that would normally be considered as betrayal, it's actually all just part of the plan. .. Were's a Joker smiley when you need one.
Ramen4ever said:As for the discussion about Daiba and Schierke. We don't know the extent of Daiba's abilities.
Ramen4ever said:He was able to recognize Guts' armor instantly. He was able to protect himself from Ganishka's acid fog. And also of importance is how quickly he was able to cast some kind of protective barrier.
Ramen4ever said:He is old and has far more experience to rely on than Schierke. However I don't think the two can be compared. They use different styles of magic. Imo, they are both strong magic users.
Aazealh said:Don't we? What more is there for him to show? He gave all he had in his fight against Guts' group, and he lost. The Kundalini, his main source of power, was killed. He's done nothing since then.
Aazealh said:Actually it's the Od coming from it that he recognized, if we want to be exact. And he only deflected the fog using a flux of air to make it spiral around him. Nothing special here. I don't know what protective barrier you're talking about though.
Aazealh said:Really, I can't understand why you guys give him so much credit. He's more like a mad scientist knowing a few tricks than a full fledged magic user.
Ramen4ever said:I disagree, he was stopped by Ganishka with a shock or two. Do we really know for certain that he's done? That he's got nothing left up his sleeve? Or that he has no magic apart from what the Kundalini had to offer?
Ramen4ever said:Would Ganishka really have made him his right hand man if the guy was completely inept with magic? As you said, he recognized the Od coming from the Berserk's armor. He also realized and successfully protected himself from Ganishka's acid fog. And finally, he had (at least a basic) understanding of what Ganishka had done after he came out of the Daka Factory. A simple mad scientist with a few tricks? Daiba has to have at least a basic understanding of magic.