Episode II
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So you saw a midnight showing too? hehe.
I just got out of the theatre about 15 mintues ago.
Yes I have to agree with you. Yoda was the man and the movie kicked ass.
Even if your not a real Star Wars fan, see it anyway --its got a real good story line and it sheds alot of light on the Star Wars' universe. ;)
I just got out of the theatre about 15 mintues ago.
Yes I have to agree with you. Yoda was the man and the movie kicked ass.
Even if your not a real Star Wars fan, see it anyway --its got a real good story line and it sheds alot of light on the Star Wars' universe. ;)
I just saw it, and I agree on ONE aspect. Yoda is awesome. And by awesome, I mean totally sweet.
The rest of the movie was some of the worst filmmaking ever CONCEIVED. Everyone is of course entitled to their opinions, but ... my GOD. I don't think I've ever watched a movie that was THIS awkward and poorly acted. And yet, it will make more money than Fight Club, Memento, and so many other quality movies 10 times over.
A sick, sick little planet we live on.
The rest of the movie was some of the worst filmmaking ever CONCEIVED. Everyone is of course entitled to their opinions, but ... my GOD. I don't think I've ever watched a movie that was THIS awkward and poorly acted. And yet, it will make more money than Fight Club, Memento, and so many other quality movies 10 times over.
A sick, sick little planet we live on.
BOB
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Star wars has to be awkward and poorly acted. Same as with pron and Britney spears or 70ies kung fu movies. You don't watch these for intellectual stimulance.
God when do people finally learn that these films like Star wars or some of Tim Burton's films are to be seen as cliche ridden polished pop culture icons. Maybe Lucas even tries to deliever some depth to it, but fortunately fails so tremedously.
Films like the matrix, creating this ridiculous fear of technology and fear of the future, cheap 1984 rip off i think, or Fight club which is cleary aimed at perspectiveless generation X kids with this pathetic "we do something radical to feel ourselves" nonesense, just don't deliver IMO.
But as they do for millions of others worldwide i agree with you on one point.
A sick, sick little planet we live on
BOB
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Don't you think so? He created such a heartless franchise over the years, it often reminds me of a hollywood popcorn version of Bill Gates and Microsoft, selling products you hate but on the other hand wouldn't want to live without.
Hell, when the frenchies won the soccer world championships you heard the star wars main theme before their own national anthem. (got me goosebumps all over *shame*)
zod_the_imortal
im am searching for the strong one
;D YODA KICKS ASS nuff said 
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Drachenfels
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I'm going to watch it tomorrow...
is it true that yoda looks like a swamp gnome on speed at the end battle?
is it true that yoda looks like a swamp gnome on speed at the end battle?
That doesn't mean use bad 70s acting 30 years later for a nostalgic feel. People should demand, and EXPECT better acting from movies that have shaped the world as much as the Star Wars franchise has. I don't watch Fight Club or Memento for 'intellectual stimulation'(for the most part), but rather for breaking the mold that movies should be as you said, 'cliche ridden polished pop culture icons.' Good movies aren't recycled.
How? If anything I see Matrix as a rather creatively written possibility. The reason it was successful and also a good movie was that it pushed the envelope. It didn't give me a fear of technology or the future, but it was an interesting and well thought out story, despite Keanu's re-invention of the game 20 Questions throughout the film :)
Film as a medium has the power to completely shape the way we think about our society and others. To me, movies that are good or fascinating are those that take the culture we live in and question it. My personal take is that masculinity is being pressed onto a backburner and the male psyche is warped somewhat due to that. Recent trends in marketing show that masculinity is making a 'comeback' as it were...
I mean, turning Fight Club into a documentary about marketing masculinity to the world would be completely dull and retarded. Go watch A&E. Or even better, read the Fight Club book. It will disturb you much more.
Ohhhh, yeah. It's the only reason I'm downloading the DivX of it, so I can cut that scene out and just play it repeatedly ;D
this film was the most beautiful cake i've seen in a looong loong time... however it was also one of the thinnest cakes you could ever eat.
enuff analogies... yoda carried the whole damn film imo... i may have hated jar jar still... but at least this time we're SUPPOSED to not like him :)
i liked the script... the dialogue between padme and anakin while at lars' home after the night with the gungans was sheer greatness... it was the only point in the movie where i thougth "wow, that was a great line".
For those that disagree, you have to look pretty close, its camoflauged beneath the guy who plays anakin's TERRIBLE acting.
Overall the acting was pretty shallow... but mostly because of Natalie Portman and the guy who played anakin (not even worth remembering the name).
And being in the special effects zone here at school, and perhaps because i'm drawn to shiny objects, i loved the special effects in this movie... MUCH better than the first one, with less occasions where you were thinking, "oh, that was so fake".
well that was my take on it... whatcha think?
enuff analogies... yoda carried the whole damn film imo... i may have hated jar jar still... but at least this time we're SUPPOSED to not like him :)
i liked the script... the dialogue between padme and anakin while at lars' home after the night with the gungans was sheer greatness... it was the only point in the movie where i thougth "wow, that was a great line".
For those that disagree, you have to look pretty close, its camoflauged beneath the guy who plays anakin's TERRIBLE acting.
Overall the acting was pretty shallow... but mostly because of Natalie Portman and the guy who played anakin (not even worth remembering the name).
And being in the special effects zone here at school, and perhaps because i'm drawn to shiny objects, i loved the special effects in this movie... MUCH better than the first one, with less occasions where you were thinking, "oh, that was so fake".
well that was my take on it... whatcha think?
BOB
poruno sutâ
Damn you Cronus if i commented on your last post i could also write a book which would definately exeed the limits of this board. >:(
To sum it up you are right about what you said, i just wanted to add some aspects that make this dumb popcorn entertainment loveable. Maybe someday we'll regard movies like this in the same light as we now feel about cheap b-movies from the 50ies and 60ies like "Invasion from Mars" or "Plan 9 from outer space".
I watched it yesterday and i am still kinda speechless.
Too much for eyes and ears. definately intended to be watched several times. The atmosphere is definately better than in Episode I though not really like ESB as some people say.
IMO this one really adds something to the Star wars trilogy, though i'm not exactly sure yet what that could be.
To sum it up you are right about what you said, i just wanted to add some aspects that make this dumb popcorn entertainment loveable. Maybe someday we'll regard movies like this in the same light as we now feel about cheap b-movies from the 50ies and 60ies like "Invasion from Mars" or "Plan 9 from outer space".
I watched it yesterday and i am still kinda speechless.
Too much for eyes and ears. definately intended to be watched several times. The atmosphere is definately better than in Episode I though not really like ESB as some people say.
IMO this one really adds something to the Star wars trilogy, though i'm not exactly sure yet what that could be.
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Drachenfels
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Doubtful. Star Wars sets benchmarks for visual effects, so it won't be easily forgotten or regarded as "trash".
biggerthanzodd
mmm...banana
The Matrix had an unquestionably bad plot. ROBOTS TAKE OVAR TO USE TEH PEOPLE AS . . . BATERYS!!11@
Even a cursory examination reveals its incoherency. The science is laughable, and even worse, it doesn't really raise any ethical or moral questions. The style of the film skirts on puerile, liberally ripping-off Neuromancer and Ray-Ban commercials. However, I give it credit for some of the best choreographed shoot-outs and some interesting framework during the first half of the movie. The use of color also piques interest, but it may be coincidence rather than an intentional attempt at thematic chromography.
Star Wars, on the other hand, was always supposed to be campy. The only fault I can find with the later movies compared to the first three is that episode one and two are missing a Han Solo. Where is the subtle humor of the egocentric space cowboy in Episode One and Two? Luke Skywalker, Obi Wan, and even Yoda are there to provide the serious contrast to an absent Han, and contrast is what made the first trio great. The sharply contrasted stormtrooper uniforms, Luke's pasty white figure against Darth Vader's giant black frame, the goody-goody light side against the dirty evil dark side all contributed to the high-blown mythos. Episode one and two do as good a job as Star Wars ever has in giving us Yoda and Obi-Wan, but where is Han-Solo?
We all know that Jar-Jar is not the answer.
Even a cursory examination reveals its incoherency. The science is laughable, and even worse, it doesn't really raise any ethical or moral questions. The style of the film skirts on puerile, liberally ripping-off Neuromancer and Ray-Ban commercials. However, I give it credit for some of the best choreographed shoot-outs and some interesting framework during the first half of the movie. The use of color also piques interest, but it may be coincidence rather than an intentional attempt at thematic chromography.
Star Wars, on the other hand, was always supposed to be campy. The only fault I can find with the later movies compared to the first three is that episode one and two are missing a Han Solo. Where is the subtle humor of the egocentric space cowboy in Episode One and Two? Luke Skywalker, Obi Wan, and even Yoda are there to provide the serious contrast to an absent Han, and contrast is what made the first trio great. The sharply contrasted stormtrooper uniforms, Luke's pasty white figure against Darth Vader's giant black frame, the goody-goody light side against the dirty evil dark side all contributed to the high-blown mythos. Episode one and two do as good a job as Star Wars ever has in giving us Yoda and Obi-Wan, but where is Han-Solo?
We all know that Jar-Jar is not the answer.
The use of color was no doubt intentional. Notice there is a blue/green haze when in the Matrix and brown and gray haze while in the "real world".
Wow, you made a real attempt to not like the film didnt you? Sorry man... You're missing out on what is probably one of the greatest movies of our generation.
BOB
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And if that is the best our generation has to offer i'm scared. I could bash that film frame for frame but that is rather like getting angry over the taste of a toothpaste.
BTW anyone seen the movie The isle, yet?
Japanese i think. Romantic and silent movie and veeeeery disturbing. Highly recommended
So could I, but thats not really the point. You could analyze a lot of what ouor culture sees as great films frame by frame and piece apart problems, or drawbacks. But thats not the point either. Trust me, I do the same thing, and because of it there are only around 20 films that I can actually say I enjoyed. And yes, the Matrix is one of them.
As for Episode II? Meh, I could care less.
biggerthanzodd
mmm...banana
Hey, I liked the Matrix, but let's consider the limitations of the genre. The Matrix is bad science-fiction, but a very good action film.
The science in Sci-Fi is generally questionable and vague. Carl Sagan posited this as his chief objection to the genre in Broca's Brain back in the seventies. Good Sci-Fi uses suspension of disbelief to play out questions and hypotheses created by science. Blade Runner didn't go into detail about how androids work or why they were created, but it made us wonder what it means to have a human soul in the context of developments in artificial intelligence. Close Encounters asked what man's place in the universe is if life exists outside of our world, though it didn't tell us how the aliens' telepathic messages were transmitted. Star Wars, well Star Wars didn't have to be a science fiction, but it provided an unique venue through which to mix the plethora of schemas and mythologies that Lucas has swirling around in his head. Berserk uses fantasy to the same end. Its fantastic settings and events gives a better impression of the rivalry between Guts and Griifith, what can happen to dreams, the nature of love, and the many other complex and significant issues Berserk explores. The Matrix used sci-fi as a way to have Keanu kill people and still have the audience cheer him on. It did a little bit with the subjective perspective on reality schtick, but the ideas aren't as well sculpted or evocative as they should be. Chuang Tzu and Descartes have pretty much dug this idea's grave anyhow.
I wanted to know why the robots revolted, and how they fed all their unwitting thralls, and why the people of Earth ever thought that clouding the sky was a good idea. Maybe the sequel I hear is in progress will illuminate me.
But don't get me wrong, though it didn't really break new intellectual ground, [The Matrix] is a solid and logical extension of the action-film. As I said before, the choreagraphy is great, unsurpassed even today (well, maybe Yoda's fight scene.) The cinematography keeps the interest high throughout the movie's considerable length, and hundreds of small touches and interesting things are hidden in the film. Even Keanu's naive acting has a charm. It's a movie I watched over and over because it's well made and fun. The Matrix, while being a great action-thriller, is not good science-fiction.
The science in Sci-Fi is generally questionable and vague. Carl Sagan posited this as his chief objection to the genre in Broca's Brain back in the seventies. Good Sci-Fi uses suspension of disbelief to play out questions and hypotheses created by science. Blade Runner didn't go into detail about how androids work or why they were created, but it made us wonder what it means to have a human soul in the context of developments in artificial intelligence. Close Encounters asked what man's place in the universe is if life exists outside of our world, though it didn't tell us how the aliens' telepathic messages were transmitted. Star Wars, well Star Wars didn't have to be a science fiction, but it provided an unique venue through which to mix the plethora of schemas and mythologies that Lucas has swirling around in his head. Berserk uses fantasy to the same end. Its fantastic settings and events gives a better impression of the rivalry between Guts and Griifith, what can happen to dreams, the nature of love, and the many other complex and significant issues Berserk explores. The Matrix used sci-fi as a way to have Keanu kill people and still have the audience cheer him on. It did a little bit with the subjective perspective on reality schtick, but the ideas aren't as well sculpted or evocative as they should be. Chuang Tzu and Descartes have pretty much dug this idea's grave anyhow.
I wanted to know why the robots revolted, and how they fed all their unwitting thralls, and why the people of Earth ever thought that clouding the sky was a good idea. Maybe the sequel I hear is in progress will illuminate me.
But don't get me wrong, though it didn't really break new intellectual ground, [The Matrix] is a solid and logical extension of the action-film. As I said before, the choreagraphy is great, unsurpassed even today (well, maybe Yoda's fight scene.) The cinematography keeps the interest high throughout the movie's considerable length, and hundreds of small touches and interesting things are hidden in the film. Even Keanu's naive acting has a charm. It's a movie I watched over and over because it's well made and fun. The Matrix, while being a great action-thriller, is not good science-fiction.
BOB
poruno sutâ
Sure, buy me a good camera and i'll do a stop motion porno with Barbie and Ken.
And hell yes i'm gonna win an oscar for special effects, another one for best camera and the last one for lifetime achievement.
Will you blow me now?
You bring up a good point Goofy Gorilla. I had an astronomy teacher who liked to make the distinction of "science-fiction" and "science-fantasy". Star Wars is clearly science-fantasy. Spaceships are all flying conveniently on the same plane, "laser cannon" have recoil; you get the idea. However, Star Wars is still a great series and maintains a not too distant perspective on what the mainstream consider sci-fi. Star Trek (Next Generation anyway) on the other hand, is what I would define as real sci-fi. It delves into many concepts that are actually scientifically plausible and expands on them in clever ways. I've never been a fan of the show but it deserves credit for what it does (and they do call upon scientists for ideas).
As for The Matrix, it is indeed an action movie at heart. Reloaded has the possibility to give it a sci-fi edge but I think they'll go with what worked in the original.
As for The Matrix, it is indeed an action movie at heart. Reloaded has the possibility to give it a sci-fi edge but I think they'll go with what worked in the original.
ok.... there is nothing wrong with the matrix...
unless the plot was ruined for you before you saw it, it was a good movie. I didn't hear anything about it, i just saw it without knowing anything about it... i was blown away at the the theatre. The story wasn't totally focused completely on fighting robots... it was more of a shocker to beleive your world is really a prison. I thought that was a cool concept. It had science, it had fiction... so seeing when i think of science fiction, the selection of movies is notoriously bad... the matrix stands out as actually being quite good.
unless the plot was ruined for you before you saw it, it was a good movie. I didn't hear anything about it, i just saw it without knowing anything about it... i was blown away at the the theatre. The story wasn't totally focused completely on fighting robots... it was more of a shocker to beleive your world is really a prison. I thought that was a cool concept. It had science, it had fiction... so seeing when i think of science fiction, the selection of movies is notoriously bad... the matrix stands out as actually being quite good.