Apostle strength
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I couldn't come up with such a list even if I wanted to. I think it's mostly because the characters aren't meant to be classified like that in the first place. They have wildly different skills and attributes, and a victory or a defeat could greatly depend on the context.
If I had to comment on your list, I'd say that up to 5 I can understand the logic behind it, even though I'd personally be hard pressed to decide who's stronger between Griffith's lieutenants. I guess Zodd could be given a light advantage for the sake of seniority, but even then it'd be assumptive.
After that, though... The Snake Baron, stronger than Rakshas, Rosine or the Count? I can't really agree with that. Hell, Guts managed to kill Wyald (well, to mortally wound him at least) without even having the Dragon Slayer.
If I had to comment on your list, I'd say that up to 5 I can understand the logic behind it, even though I'd personally be hard pressed to decide who's stronger between Griffith's lieutenants. I guess Zodd could be given a light advantage for the sake of seniority, but even then it'd be assumptive.
After that, though... The Snake Baron, stronger than Rakshas, Rosine or the Count? I can't really agree with that. Hell, Guts managed to kill Wyald (well, to mortally wound him at least) without even having the Dragon Slayer.
yeah this is more or less dependent on your definition of "power"
If we still consider Ganishka an apostle despite his new transformation, then he most likely is the most powerful overall. There's no way any apostle can match him for size and strength. Irvine's arrows are incredibly devastating so out of all the apostles on Griffith's side he seems to be one of the very top. I would place him higher than Grunbeld or Locus.. depending on what his arrows can penetrate. Rakshas is obviously the dark horse as we do not know what he is capable of other than extreme agility, speed, and that he seems to be very cunning.
I would also put the slug count higher than the snake baron (who was not all that amazing), Wyald and Rochine. His regeneration was incredible. Zodd can reattach limbs and such but growing bigger out of your wounds is just on a different level.
Anyway my vote would go for the Beherit-apostle. He was nothing special physically but what he did was by far one of the most incredible things to occur in the manga.
If we still consider Ganishka an apostle despite his new transformation, then he most likely is the most powerful overall. There's no way any apostle can match him for size and strength. Irvine's arrows are incredibly devastating so out of all the apostles on Griffith's side he seems to be one of the very top. I would place him higher than Grunbeld or Locus.. depending on what his arrows can penetrate. Rakshas is obviously the dark horse as we do not know what he is capable of other than extreme agility, speed, and that he seems to be very cunning.
I would also put the slug count higher than the snake baron (who was not all that amazing), Wyald and Rochine. His regeneration was incredible. Zodd can reattach limbs and such but growing bigger out of your wounds is just on a different level.
Anyway my vote would go for the Beherit-apostle. He was nothing special physically but what he did was by far one of the most incredible things to occur in the manga.
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Ganishka is my easy pick, though this thread does make me wonder who's stronger between Grunbeld and Zodd, both gave Guts a lot of difficulty.
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Guts' intestines said:
Not a very good comparison since Guts was wounded when he first met Grunbeld.
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I thought Zodd was the "apostle that other apostles were afraid of" kinda guy, including Grunbeld, his experience alone can't be matched (I think).
There isn't really any proof that Grunbeld or Locus are afraid of Zodd. As Aazealh said, they show him respect. That respect could be for a large number of reasons. He's incredibly strong and tough, his nickname "the Immortal", his reputation, etc etc. Though I think the most important fact is that he is Griffith's personal escort and bodyguard. Rakshas protects Griffith from the shadows but Zodd has the honor of accompanying Griffith most of the time. I would suspect that his position is at least in part, a reason for why Grunbeld, Locus and most likely a lot of other apostles respect him.
Guts already displayed his superiority to Zodd's non-transformed form in vol 22. But with the armor, I think he could even best the fully transformed Zodd. But... it's just a hypothetical situation. I don't think they'll ever square off in a deathmatch. I think it'll be Skull Knight who ultimately finishes off Zodd (or maybe Griffith..).einherjar said:
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Walter said:
It's probably going to be Griffith. It's just hard for me to imagine Skull Knight killing off Zodd.
Well it's extremely hypothetical, but I can see it coming down to a deathmatch between them. If Zodd puts himself between SK and Void, for instance -- between a life and death situation for Skull Knight, I can see him finishing their little duel.Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:
Ramen4ever said:
I have to disagree. From we've seen in the manga, it seems to be his prowess on the battlefield that forces their admiration more than anything else.
Walter said:
Yes, when Zodd finally rebels himself against Griffith, because he's a honorable warrior and won't follow such an evil leader!
Nah, I don't think it'd be for that reason. It could be something unprecedented. My only notion of this being a possibility is from that scene in vol 17 -- the Falcon of Light displaying its ultimate superiority to Zodd. It may not come to pass at all, but it just seemed to be foreshadowing a future event more than simply issuing a physical threat.Aazealh said:
Or maybe I've just been misinterpreting the scene?
Walter said:
I know, I was kidding.
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I don't know man, you tell me.
Walter said:
Revenge, at last!!
Anyway, more seriously, I think that scene in volume 17 is delicate to interpret, mostly because what's left untold plays as big of a role as what's being said. Griffith refers to Zodd's life and his desires and we know very little about them. It's one of the things (along with his presence on the beach when the Moonlight Boy appeared, or some of his talks with SK) that I think gives him an incredible potential depth. At this time I'd even be tempted to say that the only limit is our imagination.
As for who would be the one to kill him (assuming someone does, as I could see him surviving to the end), I've always felt that it'd be right for Guts to do it. Zodd has been his archenemy almost as much as Griffith, in a way. An invincible warrior whose prowess is inhuman, and the one guy he just can't beat. That being said, I wouldn't mind if it were SK, far from it. For it to be Griffith (or even another member of the God Hand) there would need to be a crazy reversal of things, since right now he doesn't have any reason to fight him. Who knows though, we'll see!
Guts withouth the berserk armor stood a very good chance, even before he was a struggler in the interstice. Therfore, guts with all his experiences and the armor that pushes him beyond his limits would completely and eventually gain the upper hand against Zodd, and Grunbeld and Locus in any singular battle. and if he was well-rested the day before.
However, I like how you guys theorize on how Zodd might meet his end in battle. It really would be most appropriate for Guts to take out Zodd, and if not Guts than the Skull Knight. But what if it wasnt Guts, SK, or Griffith/God Hand who take out Zodd. What if Schrieke and Serpico bested and killed Zodd, I think thats something Kentaro Miura would want to give the readers.
However, I like how you guys theorize on how Zodd might meet his end in battle. It really would be most appropriate for Guts to take out Zodd, and if not Guts than the Skull Knight. But what if it wasnt Guts, SK, or Griffith/God Hand who take out Zodd. What if Schrieke and Serpico bested and killed Zodd, I think thats something Kentaro Miura would want to give the readers.
Asuka's Lover said:
Uh, I don't think so. He was soundly defeated in volume 5, despite Griffith's help. And he didn't do too well against Zodd's apostle form in volume 22 either.
Asuka's Lover said:
Hmm, I'll have to disagree with you here. I really don't think it'll be the case.
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zooty said:
I say to this most of the strength is from what they desire. Correct me if I am wrong, I'm just going to make this list with some more ground and reasons why this might be your list. 1. Ganishka desire is to have a kingdom just as Griffith or you can go with that he is going againts what his role is as an Apostle to be in league with Griffith instead of trying to be like him. Zodd, he is trying to find strong opponents, thus his regenaration makes him strong to keep him alive against strong opponents he seeks. What I read about what Mule said about Locus is that he wouldn't serve anybody that wasn't worth it, so he found Griffith knowing he was worth it to serve as his warrior. Must of you know what the other apostles killed by Guts and the ones with Griffith now have some kind of desire and that's how they acquired their apostles powers. So in essence their power or "strenght " comes from what they desired when they were human. I may not even be right on the money, it's just something I thought from the discussion. I just don't know if there is really a perfect order of strength within the apostles. Of course the main apostles shown seem to be the ones with some strong desires to be where they are now.
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Th3Branded0ne said:
While that might be a factor in how they become stronger apostles. I think their mental strength is what does it, which would explain why one person would turn into Zodd and someone else would turn into the rubber chicken apostle.