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Title: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on August 01, 2011, 05:22:07 PM
This is my most anticipated movie of next year, so it deserves it's thread because i want to since it's Ridley Scott back to sci-fi (and the Alien universe, even though it's not related to those movies, so no prequel fears i hope) and the casting is fantastic: Guy Pearce, Noomi Rapace, Charlize Theron, and my new favourite rising star, Michael Fassbender.

Here's some new shitty photos from the comic-con footage:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50633

EDIT: and Giger is involved. I was hoping those sets wouldn't be imitations, but seems the man was working on it.

It seems the movie has finished shooting.
I love how in all those screens you see real sets, practical stuff and no hint of cgi. I just hope Ridley has one more masterpiece left in him.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on August 01, 2011, 07:39:13 PM
YES! YES! And, thanks for the link with additional photos. I know they've officially released only 1 photo (below).

(http://cdn2.screenjunkies.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/prometheus-image.jpg)

I thought the Comic-Con panel with Charlize was pretty hilarious. My expectations are bound to be high because A) I love Alien over Aliens B) It's Ridley's first Sci-Fi outing in over 20 years and his last too, if reports are true. Either way, the cast is darn good and the story-line, hinted or not seems plausible. Ridley's hinted at taking cue from Erich Von Daniken's Chariots Of The Gods, which hints at why the movie is called Prometheus (referencing the ship).

I'd like to see this done mostly without CGI, especially sets and props. The Alien re-master on the Blu Ray box set is so perfect - that's what this movie should look like. Another thing that bothers me about prequels is the technology used. Star Wars showed technology way advanced in episodes 1 through 3 than in the sequels 4 through 6 which didn't make sense. I hope Prometheus doesn't fall under the same trap.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on August 01, 2011, 08:39:20 PM
Another thing that bothers me about prequels is the technology used. Star Wars showed technology way advanced in episodes 1 through 3 than in the sequels 4 through 6 which didn't make sense. I hope Prometheus doesn't fall under the same trap.

Even though it's not "officially" a prequel (and i sure hope it's not), you can see in those photos that the set design is very identical to Alien. Almost looks like footage straight out of that movie. I don't wanna get my expectations too high, but one thing's for sure, visually, Scott won't disappoint in the slightest.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Eluvei on August 01, 2011, 08:53:18 PM
the casting is fantastic: Guy Pearce, Noomi Rapace, Charlize Theron, and my new favourite rising star, Michael Fassbender.

Stringer Bell is in the movie too!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on August 01, 2011, 09:48:36 PM
Yea this is looking good. I want it to be amazing and so far it does look like it has potential to be the absolute masterpiece that Scott should make it to be, but I still must remain skeptical. I rarely enjoy Ridley Scotts films these days. If those images are any indication though the project seems to be on the right track.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on August 01, 2011, 10:03:23 PM
Stringer Bell is in the movie too!

Fuck yes, i had forgotten about him!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on August 02, 2011, 04:05:46 AM
So I really hope this is going to be rated R. I've been reading rumors that it's pg-13.  :judo:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Eluvei on August 02, 2011, 09:59:03 PM
So I really hope this is going to be rated R. I've been reading rumors that it's pg-13.  :judo:

Ridley Scott Is Shooting For Both An R-Rated & PG-13 Cut Of ‘Prometheus’ (http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/ridley_scott_is_shooting_for_both_an_r-rated_pg-13_cut_of_prometheus/)

The screens are looking pretty good. Too bad it'll be in 3D and I have shitty eye balls.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on August 02, 2011, 10:28:45 PM
How about he just makes the movie whatever it should be and doesn't worry about this PG-3D nonsense.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on August 03, 2011, 01:08:30 AM
I don't really care for the rating. But the 3D worries me.
I just hope the studio doesn't royally fuck his movie like with Kingdom of Heaven.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on August 03, 2011, 01:42:34 AM
Yea I think that's Scott's biggest problem these days, he has become such a studio director. After watching the making of Kingdom of Heaven I realized just how much he wants to keep the studio happy. I understand where he's coming from but if the film is going to suffer for it then fuck em. The directors cut of KOH is infinitely better than the studio cut, and I'm guessing it will be a similar situation here. 3D? PG13? I'm this movies biggest fan but comments like "I have a responsibility to my studio, but I always make sure we have both options. You’re crazy not to", for a movie with this much of a fanbase is too...  Bayish? It's like cmon man your Ridley freakin Scott! You started the whole Alien saga! It's your baby!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on August 03, 2011, 06:08:57 AM
Yeah, let's not forget that, in addition to the 3D bullshit and now this rating dance, this project is still the offshoot of some horrible Alien prequel 3D double feature exploitation fit for a grindhouse. This new turn only offers the hope of rebirth into something worthwhile, whereas it could just be another twist in the path of an epic clusterfuck (don't forget the messy production history of this guy's last stinker). So, beautiful as the imagery is thus far, I'll believe it's a revival when I see it. I'd be a lot more excited if this were truly being helmed by the director coming off Alien and Blade Runner back to back instead of the big name company man he became.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on September 29, 2011, 11:29:02 PM
Update! Possible Spoilers!

http://screenrant.com/prometheus-plot-damon-lindelof-benm-133845/

On developing Prometheus with Ridley Scott, Damon Lindelof said: “Having done ‘Lost’ for six years, I felt this tremendous responsibility because I’m one of the visionaries behind the show, so there’s no safety net below you. When I got the call [from Ridley] I had this tremendous amount of relief and comfort that Ridley Scott is going to be the safety net. What ensued was a series of conversations where I was kind of interviewing Ridley to get a sense of the movie he wanted to make. Once I got a sense of that, then it was really about channeling that idea so that I was realizing his vision, as opposed to imposing my vision on it. That was my perspective. His perspective was more kind and generous in terms of ideas that I brought to the movie. But really everything I was coming up with was just a different spin on what he was saying to me.”

On Michael Fassbender’s role as an android: “He plays a robot. One of the things that evokes the idea of ‘Blade Runner‘ is, ‘What does the movie look like from the robot’s point of view?’ If you were to ask him, ‘What do you think about all of this? What’s going on? What do you think about these humans who are around you?,’ wouldn’t it be cool if we found a way for that robot to answer those questions. When you cast a guy like Fassbender, who’s going to bring a lot more to it than [makes clichéd robot movements] — that was me doing the robot, I don’t know if you could tell — it’s not Anthony Daniels. All due respect. He’s phenomenal. But C-P3O…”

On Charlize Theron’s role as an employee of a mysterious corporation: “Her character’s name is Meredith Vickers and she’s sort of a corporate entity. That’s another one of the familiar things from the ‘Alien’ movies — that there are corporate interests in play. I feel like Charlize brought a new spin on that old variation. It’s a remix …. I don’t think she’s slimy [like Paul Reiser's character in 'Aliens']. She’s not the fast-talking, snake-oil face of the company. By the way, ‘What company is she a face of?,’ I think is a big part of the fun. As we were developing the script, she had some really cool ideas that made it not the suit you’re used to.”

On the importance of an ensemble cast, carried over from the original Alien: “I think one of the really cool things about the first ‘Alien,’ if you watch it cold, Ripley is kind in the background like one of the crew members, and you’re like, ‘Skerrit’s [who played Captain Dallas] the hero of the movie,’ and he’s one of the first to go. And then you’re like, ‘It’s [the engineer played by] Harry Dean Stanton.’ And, no, he’s gone… and suddenly Sigourney Weaver, in the last 40 minutes of the movie, is the only one left alive. I think the idea of building a really cool ensemble and again presenting the audience with like, ‘Who’s going to be left standing at the end of this movie? Maybe all of them. Probably not,’ [that's] part of the fun of what we set out to do.”
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Rhombaad on September 30, 2011, 01:52:43 PM
I didn't read the spoilers, but I love how Lindelof refers to himself as a "visionary." On the bright side, it appears as if Ridley is more in control of the script than Damon (in typical Scott fashion), which could be a good thing.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on September 30, 2011, 02:06:03 PM
The spoilers (which I don't know if they are good enough to be called that haha) talk about Fassbender's and Theron's roles in a very general way.

Guys, you think any news should be put in spoiler tags? I mean, if people click the topic they know it's some update on the movie anyway heh.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Rhombaad on September 30, 2011, 02:32:43 PM
Guys, you think any news should be put in spoiler tags? I mean, if people click the topic they know it's some update on the movie anyway heh.

Yes. Some of us may want to get updates on the movie without having the plot spoiled. Once the movie has been out for a while, I don't think spoilers are necessary.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on November 26, 2011, 04:14:50 AM
New pictures were released a few days ago

(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/ca/dc/prometheus-ew5.jpg)
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/5b/6c/prometheus-ew4.jpg)
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/d5/3e/d53eb037e9ba1dce97955247e4706435.jpg)
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/5c/4c/prometheus-ew1.jpg)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on November 26, 2011, 05:46:33 PM
Also, Patrick Wilson is in the cast as well. I enjoy him as an actor. He's been in Hard Candy, Little Children and of course played Night Owl in Watchmen.

This movie has such a great cast. It'd be a shame if it went to waste.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on November 26, 2011, 10:41:58 PM
Promotion pics, too clean and some really bad photoshop.

Leaked buttcam trailer. Color me excited. Loved the fact that they used a remixed version of the original Alien trailer music.

http://youtu.be/3idSf4q2fVI

Description - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2011/11/26/exclusive-new-prometheus-trailer-description/
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on November 28, 2011, 03:46:00 AM
I've been on board since I heard Fassbender was going to be in it.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on November 28, 2011, 12:30:00 PM
Promotion pics, too clean and some really bad photoshop.

Leaked buttcam trailer. Color me excited. Loved the fact that they used a remixed version of the original Alien trailer music.

http://youtu.be/3idSf4q2fVI

Description - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2011/11/26/exclusive-new-prometheus-trailer-description/

trailer has been takin down :( :(
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on November 28, 2011, 05:00:43 PM
trailer has been takin down :( :(

http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=23455&count=0
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Xem on November 28, 2011, 08:51:51 PM
I've been on board since I heard Giger was going to be involved in it.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on November 29, 2011, 01:48:29 PM
Loved the fact that they used a remixed version of the original Alien trailer music.
Goosebumpworthy! I watched it again and again. I hope all the more that the movie doesn't disappoint because my hopes for it are higher than before.

EDIT:

BUMP - full page article picture -

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee500/Piraancantation/1111.jpg)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on November 29, 2011, 06:13:31 PM
Ugh, who wrote that article's hyphen-loving-intro-paragraph-self-parody? It's basically the worst case scenario for how people approach this, including Ridley Scott: a legacy act.

Quote
THE TERM 'EVENT MOVIE' gets thrown around a lot these days--

So, we're going to do it again.

Quote
usually in regard to movies that are pretty uneventful.

Don't apply that knowledge here though, this time it's different! (just like every time)

Quote
But when Ridley Scott's 3-D action epic Prometheus opens on June 8, 2012, it will be a capital-E-you-know-what.

Yeah, in every uneventful way described above, and confirmed by the proceeding sentence as constructed: BIG NAME! 3-D! TITLE! OPENING DATE! TAGLINE! Looks like a totally typical plug for this supposedly atypical event.

Quote
The 74-year-old

HOLY SHIT! :isidro:

Does any fact about this better say "uh oh?" Maybe the 3-D.

Quote
-thrice-Oscar-nominated director has made just two sci-fi filmsin his long career--1979's Alien (arguably one of the two most visionary films ever made in the genre) and 1982's Blade Runner (arguably the other)

Wow, I've heard that one before; are they talking about Prometheus, or Lulu (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/songreviews/the-view-20110928)? Also, it's hard to do, but they've actually managed to overrate Alien and Blade Runner, two of my favorite movies ever, for the purpose of over-hyping this supposedly non-"event movie" event movie. That's truly a disservice to everything involved, Scott, his old movies, and this new one. BTW, the 74-year-old-thrice-Oscar-losing director made those movies thirty years ago. That's more time than passed between George Lucas' stints directing Star Wars movies. Of course, Scott's much better and has been keeping in practice, but he's no more Ridley Scott the director of 1982 than Michael Jordan is the basketball player of 1982, it's just not as apparent from their respective milieus. Anyway, I don't mean to bash the movie itself, just the hype, because as someone hoping it will actually be respectable, this kind of all-too-familiar-hyphenated-hyperbole doesn't sit well.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on November 29, 2011, 06:54:14 PM
Terribly written/edited article. However the fact it's apparently not tied too closely to the main Alien movies is welcome news to me. That being said: Damon Lindelof from Lost wrote the scenario? Hahahahhahahahaha. :judo:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on November 29, 2011, 06:58:38 PM
Wow, I've heard that one before; are they talking about Prometheus, or Lulu (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/songreviews/the-view-20110928)? Also, it's hard to do, but they've actually managed to overrate Alien and Blade Runner, two of my favorite movies ever, for the purpose of over-hyping this supposedly non-"event movie" event movie. That's truly a disservice to everything involved, Scott, his old movies, and this new one. BTW, the 74-year-old-thrice-Oscar-losing director made those movies thirty years ago. That's more time than passed between George Lucas' stints directing Star Wars movies. Of course, Scott's much better and has been keeping in practice, but he's no more Ridley Scott the director of 1982 than Michael Jordan is the basketball player of 1982, it's just not as apparent from their respective milieus. Anyway, I don't mean to bash the movie itself, just the hype, because as someone hoping it will actually be respectable, this kind of all-too-familiar-hyphenated-hyperbole doesn't sit well.

So...what you're saying is...that you can't wait to see it!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on November 29, 2011, 07:27:44 PM
Terribly written/edited article. However the fact it's apparently not tied too closely to the main Alien movies is welcome news to me.

Seems like they're having it both ways. Scott's quote in itself was ludicrous, either giving away the movie or what anyone would care about it.

That being said: Damon Lindelof from Lost wrote the scenario?

I thought it was by the producers of Legends of the Hidden Temple?

(http://cdn3.iofferphoto.com/img3/item/173/465/791/complete-legends-of-the-hidden-temple-best-quality-091f4.jpg)

 :troll:

Lindelof should just go balls out and say it'll reveal the TRUE secrets of Lost. EVENT!

So...what you're saying is...that you can't wait to see it!

I could probably wait however long I live depending on how things look. If it seems like a true return to form, it's must-see, if it seems like Prometheus and the Kingdom of the Crystal Alien Skull... not so much.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on December 01, 2011, 02:20:23 PM
What happened to the synopsis you posted NightCrawler?! I read it last evening before leaving from work and it's disappeared >_>'
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on December 01, 2011, 02:30:57 PM
What happened to the synopsis you posted NightCrawler?! I read it last evening before leaving from work and it's disappeared >_>'

It was fake.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on December 01, 2011, 03:10:12 PM
I'm glad it was because there were some real sappy moments on there like Fassbender's character realizing he's becoming more human ... just felt funny.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on December 05, 2011, 08:56:23 AM
Here is a pic with images in case anyone didn't get to see it.

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5453/1312556916550.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/1312556916550.jpg/)

Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on December 19, 2011, 06:30:00 PM
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/prometheus/

Official trailer out on iTunes this Thursday.  :ubik:
That terrifying music from the original Alien trailer still sends shivers up my spine.

Oh and officially no traditional Alien will appear in this film: (From AvPGalaxy)

EGE: Final question. I have a feeling what the answer will be, but many want to know. Will we see the original xenomorph in Prometheus?

RS: No. Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on December 19, 2011, 07:12:06 PM
EGE: Final question. I have a feeling what the answer will be, but many want to know. Will we see the original xenomorph in Prometheus?

RS: No. Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!

 :ganishka:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on December 19, 2011, 08:24:17 PM
Typical Ridley  :guts:


So is this a teaser for the trailer? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC-caP1NX1M
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on December 19, 2011, 08:27:46 PM
"So here we are, Im back again" *CUE HORRIFIED SOUND EFFECT SCREAMING*

It's if the franchise itself is terrified  :magni:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on December 20, 2011, 12:28:34 AM
"So here we are, Im back again" *CUE HORRIFIED SOUND EFFECT SCREAMING*

It's if the franchise itself is terrified  :magni:
Hahaha! I hope not! Then again it's Ridley and *sigh* ... his recent work is lacking.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on December 20, 2011, 06:48:15 PM
Teaser for the trailer, part 2

http://youtu.be/vD7Z-CTbbKk
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on December 22, 2011, 05:16:05 PM
New trailer up?

http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1215367p1.html (http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1215367p1.html)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on December 22, 2011, 05:46:37 PM
New trailer up?

http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1215367p1.html (http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1215367p1.html)

Works for me. =)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on December 22, 2011, 06:10:23 PM
Trailer looks good, although I don't know what the hell is going on.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on December 22, 2011, 06:12:03 PM
Trailer looks good, although I don't know what the hell is going on.
Pretty much how I feel. The trailer looks reassuringly awesome. Though I'm not sure I really want to get a plot synopsis beyond what I already know.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on December 22, 2011, 06:15:22 PM
We get to see the derelict ship actually crash land, then tip over!  :isidro:

Also did anyone else catch the Pilot-Alien's head on an exam table? What was with those egg-like shapes in front of the face?! SO MANY QUESTIONS!!! SO EXCITED!!!!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on December 22, 2011, 06:43:48 PM
Does look good. Even with a lot of special effects it still has that old school 80s sci-fi feel to it. The head on the table is the space jockey from the first Alien, for sure. Maybe not that one specifically but no doubt that's the same head/mask.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on December 23, 2011, 01:07:51 AM
Most anticipated movie of 2012, no question.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on December 23, 2011, 04:09:30 AM
I just watched the trailer again in HD and did a frame by frame. I almost don't want to jinx it but I think Scott may make possibly the greatest comeback of any director. I say comeback but looking back at his filmography he has a lot of great movies with a only few in between that suck terribly. But it's not as bad as I thought. The directors cut of Kingdom Of Heaven for example is a great film, I've watched it at least five times. Obviously his sci-fi films are legendary and having not made one for so long now, and based on that trailer, I'm certain he hasn't lost his touch.

Anyway, I was so excited last night that I put in my directors cut of Alien and realized how much I freakin love that movie. In HD in looked insanely good. I plan on watching it again tonight with director commentary.

Also in the trailer the part where the girl falls down and is covered in what looks like dirt, I'm guessing all the brown stuff is blood. In trailers they usually change the color of blood to brown or black.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on December 23, 2011, 01:55:47 PM
Most anticipated movie of 2012, no question.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on December 23, 2011, 03:42:03 PM
So, this trailer actually showed quite a bit. Here we go:

1. We get to SEE the crash of the Derelict Ship. That's just really cool, since people first caught a glimpse of it in 1979.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/Picture7.png)

2. There's a man in he trailer whose face is undergoing a change. Looks like he turns into this:
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/Picture8.png)

3. Now here's where things get ultra interesting. What I think EVERYONE thought was the Pilot-Alien's head is actually a helmet of sorts. (You'll see why I think this in a minute)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/Picture2.png)

4. The Map Room. We see the 'Pilot Chair' rise from this same room during the trailer. NOTE: The person's size here...
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/Picture6.png)

5. THE PILOT HIMSELF MAKES AN APPEARANCE! Compare how much bigger he is compared to the human in the picture above. Also, when you see the Pilot-seat rise, there's no head there. (See pic below)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/Picture9.png)

6. See, no head.
(http://images.wikia.com/aliens/images/2/26/SpaceJockey.jpg)

Now I wonder why the ship crashes. Until this moment I assumed it was because of The Pilot, er The Space Jockey, got Facehugged or lost control of the ship while a Chestburster tore through him.

So, in Prometheus, the Helmet is taken off the Space Jocket/Pilot. Ultimately it's returned as the crew of the Nostromo find it in Alien.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on December 23, 2011, 05:57:22 PM
Yeah, I think I'm going to go into radio silence mode on this movie until it comes out.  :magni:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on December 23, 2011, 06:04:37 PM
I'm sorry.  :farnese:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on December 23, 2011, 07:11:39 PM
It almost seems like the crew go through some kind of transformation.

 
Yeah, I think I'm going to go into radio silence mode on this movie until it comes out.  :magni:

I want too but the speculation is too much fun for a movie like this.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on December 23, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
So, this trailer actually showed quite a bit. Here we go:

1. We get to SEE the crash of the Derelict Ship. That's just really cool, since people first caught a glimpse of it in 1979.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/Picture7.png)

2. There's a man in he trailer whose face is undergoing a change. Looks like he turns into this:
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/Picture8.png)

3. Now here's where things get ultra interesting. What I think EVERYONE thought was the Pilot-Alien's head is actually a helmet of sorts. (You'll see why I think this in a minute)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/Picture2.png)

4. The Map Room. We see the 'Pilot Chair' rise from this same room during the trailer. NOTE: The person's size here...
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/Picture6.png)

5. THE PILOT HIMSELF MAKES AN APPEARANCE! Compare how much bigger he is compared to the human in the picture above. Also, when you see the Pilot-seat rise, there's no head there. (See pic below)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/RRomero704/Picture9.png)

6. See, no head.
(http://images.wikia.com/aliens/images/2/26/SpaceJockey.jpg)

Now I wonder why the ship crashes. Until this moment I assumed it was because of The Pilot, er The Space Jockey, got Facehugged or lost control of the ship while a Chestburster tore through him.

So, in Prometheus, the Helmet is taken off the Space Jocket/Pilot. Ultimately it's returned as the crew of the Nostromo find it in Alien.

Thank you for posting these. My heart started beating fast because of all of these. I'm very much excited for this movie even moreso now.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on January 04, 2012, 05:09:35 AM
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6787/1324610272127.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/97/1324610272127.png/)

i love this image too for some reason
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on January 06, 2012, 01:23:55 AM
New image of Rapace

(http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/Images/stories/2012/jan/prometheus-rapace_0152012_191432.jpg)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on February 28, 2012, 10:46:08 PM
Weyland Industries TED 2023 Convention Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpYUW0ekPSA&list=UU-a8YPjQsLywVqBzVelFJZg&index=1&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on February 29, 2012, 09:44:27 PM
Weyland Industries TED 2023 Convention Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpYUW0ekPSA&list=UU-a8YPjQsLywVqBzVelFJZg&index=1&feature=plcp

Watching this trailer conjured up the last scene in AvP:R, the one with Mrs. Yutani. *EYE ROLL* I'm still mad those AVP movies are technically canon.  :mozgus:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on March 02, 2012, 09:37:37 AM
Color me psyched.

I don't recall that last scene, Proj. I guess I'll re-watch the movie in the next few weeks *sigh*
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on March 02, 2012, 01:13:16 PM
Color me psyched.

I don't recall that last scene, Proj. I guess I'll re-watch the movie in the next few weeks *sigh*

Why in God's name would you do that to yourself man? Forget I said anything you scoundrel!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on March 02, 2012, 07:07:01 PM
Seems like Guy Pierce is really digging into the role and enjoying every second of it :guts:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on March 02, 2012, 07:09:26 PM
Watching this trailer conjured up the last scene in AvP:R, the one with Mrs. Yutani. *EYE ROLL* I'm still mad those AVP movies are technically canon.  :mozgus:

This Guy Pearce clip just shows that the AVP movies are not cannon. Remember Lance as Weyland in the first AVP?

Seems like Guy Pierce is really digging into the role and enjoying every second of it :guts:

He sounds a lot like John Hurt ;)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on March 02, 2012, 07:09:52 PM
Seems like Guy Pierce is really digging into the role and enjoying every second of it :guts:

Although I think hes only in the movie for maybe a minute :(
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on March 02, 2012, 07:22:47 PM
Although I think hes only in the movie for maybe a minute :(

yea I was hoping he'd have a bigger role but after seeing him as Weyland I guess it will be a short, but memorable one.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on March 02, 2012, 07:55:38 PM
In the trailer, there's an old man in a wheelchair, might be him. Since the mission is 50y after this clip.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on March 02, 2012, 10:35:50 PM
Yea I was wondering at what point this clip was suppose to take place. I really like this clip. Guy Pierce sells it so well. It would be cool if they released more promotional clips of this quality that weren't actually in the movie.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on March 13, 2012, 04:09:53 PM
There's a TEASER out there for the full trailer, which comes out on the 17th heh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9AAtt8mg7M&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on March 13, 2012, 10:01:04 PM
Its premiering on AMC after an interview with Ridley Scott.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on March 13, 2012, 10:40:41 PM
As psyched as I am for this movie, these previews of trailers is getting, how shall I put this...FUCKING ANNOYING.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on March 13, 2012, 10:54:21 PM
As psyched as I am for this movie, these previews of trailers is getting, how shall I put this...FUCKING ANNOYING.

It does give one pause to reflect on the fact we're talking about a has-been going back to a well that's long since been poisoned. Perhaps our optimism should be more the cautious variety. After all, you can't go home again, step in the same river twice, etc.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on March 14, 2012, 12:46:54 AM
As psyched as I am for this movie, these previews of trailers is getting, how shall I put this...FUCKING ANNOYING.

So a preview for a trailer is annoying, but screenshots, plot tidbits, and all that shit is not? I don't get all the complaint about "trailers for trailers". It's just a tease, like everything else. Gets people talking. Isn't more annoying than any other form of publicity.

It does give one pause to reflect on the fact we're talking about a has-been going back to a well that's long since been poisoned. Perhaps our optimism should be more the cautious variety. After all, you can't go home again, step in the same river twice, etc.

Has-been? Who nowadays can deliver a movie like this? If Ridley misses, no one could've done better.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on March 14, 2012, 01:11:06 AM
Has-been? Who nowadays can deliver a movie like this? If Ridley misses, no one could've done better.

If James Cameron had the helm, I'd be down. Despite his lackluster stories, he's still a damn fine director.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on March 14, 2012, 01:30:47 AM
I wouldn't call Scott a has-been but I wouldn't really say if he can't do it nobody can either. It's somewhere in between. I am cautious because Scott has been hit and miss for the last 20+ years and his films range from one extreme to another. However, from what I've seen of Prometheus so far I'm confident this will be a good one. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. And honestly, it's been so long since he has done a proper a sci-fi film that nobody is in a position to say what he is or isn't capable of for this type of movie. If Alien and Blade Runner are anything to go by he knows what he's doing. And it does look good right?

Basically we just won't know until we know.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on March 14, 2012, 12:10:23 PM
If James Cameron had the helm, I'd be down. Despite his lackluster stories, he's still a damn fine director.

Cameron is a cheap thrills director, and he's the best at that. The best at blockbuster entertainment. But he's not in Scott's league. I mean, the guy made the two best sci-fi movies of the last 35years. Nothing that Cameron did comes close (Aliens and Terminator are his best and look like made-to-tv movies compared to Alien and Blade Runner).
Still, of course i have my reservations, mainly because of Lindelof.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on March 15, 2012, 01:48:45 AM
But he's not in Scott's league. I mean, the guy made the two best sci-fi movies of the last 35years.

You know who else probably isn't in 1982 Ridley Scott's league? 2012 Ridley Scott. My point before was the flip side of those movies being two of the best sci-fi films of the last 35 years is that he made them 30+ years ago. Since then I'm not as enamored with his work. I'm intrigued of course, but I think people are setting themselves up for disappointment if they go into Prometheus like it's really the next sci-fi movie from the brilliant young talent that made Alien and Blade Runner, as if this was filmed in 1984 directly following them but was lost. Unfortunately, any return to form he has in this film will more likely take the form of his directorial work in the last decade, not the 80's. That man no longer exists. Cameron is an apt parallel in that people were hoping Avatar was going to be something it wasn't, some epic blast from his past, because they ignored what he'd done since, and so we ended up with a movie far more Titanic than it was Terminator. Needless to say, I'm glad Russell Crowe wasn't cast in this film.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on March 15, 2012, 11:11:07 AM
Needless to say, I'm glad Russell Crowe wasn't cast in this film.

Aye!!!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on March 16, 2012, 12:29:20 AM
Cameron is a cheap thrills director, and he's the best at that. The best at blockbuster entertainment. But he's not in Scott's league.

Maybe Scott from the 80s. Scott's recent movies make Uwe Boll look like a fucking genius.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on March 16, 2012, 05:50:41 PM
Maybe Scott from the 80s. Scott's recent movies make Uwe Boll look like a fucking genius.

That's insanely stupid.
What did Cameron made of worth after the 80's anyway? What i'm saying is Ridley at his best is miles ahead of Cameron. Actually even Cameron himself pushed Scott to direct more sci-fi (he even said he made the best movies in that genre, so at least he acknowledges Scott for that.)
Another curious fact, when Alien 5 was about to happen, Cameron was the producer and Scott the director.

You know who else probably isn't in 1982 Ridley Scott's league? 2012 Ridley Scott.

I agree. But Scott is more of a visual director than a storyteller. With a good script he will make it happen.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on March 16, 2012, 05:58:01 PM
Maybe Scott from the 80s. Scott's recent movies make Uwe Boll look like a fucking genius.

Thats kind of harsh don't you think?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on March 17, 2012, 01:57:39 PM
The last Trailer-Tease was released Yesterday... Look to the full 2:00 Trailer Sunday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCtvg6rUWyw
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on March 17, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
While it looks good, it gives away a bit more than I'd hoped. I'm just glad it's a 1 minute trailer.

If you haven't seen this trailer yet, wait for the HD one to come out.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on March 17, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
While it looks good, it gives away a bit more than I'd hoped. I'm just glad it's a 1 minute trailer.

If you haven't seen this trailer yet, wait for the HD one to come out.

Yikes, i'm not glad to have watched that, it's way too revealing.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on March 17, 2012, 04:52:46 PM
That's insanely stupid.

Whatever, dude. Uwe Boll is the only fucking genius in hollywood. He even said so himself.

Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on March 17, 2012, 04:58:38 PM
Yikes, i'm not glad to have watched that, it's way too revealing.
I know right ... why do they do that these days?! It's like telling everyone "Hey look, this and that are in the movie OK, come see it. Oh wait, here's what happens too.". I was kinda upset when I watched the trailer, wishing I could erase part of my memory.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on March 18, 2012, 12:00:41 AM
And here we go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA6OKoW30Pk&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on March 18, 2012, 01:15:39 AM
And here we go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA6OKoW30Pk&feature=player_embedded

I'm so fucking ready for this.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on March 18, 2012, 01:16:38 AM
Man, this plot is so easy to guess: earth visited by aliens in ancient times, humans get too advanced in their technology, which will lead them to a doomsday trap made by the aliens, to prevent humans to be more than they aspire to be.

Still, i hope i'm wrong and there's more to it. I'll be there on opening night for sure.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on March 18, 2012, 09:06:57 PM
Here's the International Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGW0LtO59-E&list=UU-a8YPjQsLywVqBzVelFJZg&index=1&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on March 18, 2012, 11:29:21 PM
Here's the International Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGW0LtO59-E&list=UU-a8YPjQsLywVqBzVelFJZg&index=1&feature=plcp

Better choice of music.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on March 19, 2012, 07:15:47 PM
The trailer is very impressive. I pray that the movie ends up being better than the trailer, and not the other way around, which seems to be the case for most high profile releases these days. Hopefully there will be no more trailers from here until launch..
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on April 10, 2012, 05:18:47 PM
First 12 minutes of the movie screened in London. Scott confirms link to the first movie. Spoilers:

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/3210#35188 (http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/3210#35188)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on April 13, 2012, 04:58:05 PM
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::Prometheus WeylandIndustries David Promo #2::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DOOJl5lWNfM
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on April 18, 2012, 01:25:19 PM
David says hello - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWmbqH_z7jM
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on April 18, 2012, 01:56:25 PM
David says hello - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWmbqH_z7jM

Wow thank you. That is pretty awesome.

Have they rated this movie yet??
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on April 18, 2012, 02:58:14 PM
I don't think so... I do know that it's a moot issue anyway as far as rating goes.
Even if the cut that runs in theaters is PG-13 we will still get an R-Rated Directors
Cut on DVD. So really its a win-win all round.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on April 18, 2012, 04:10:07 PM
I don't think so... I do know that it's a moot issue anyway as far as rating goes.
Even if the cut that runs in theaters is PG-13 we will still get an R-Rated Directors
Cut on DVD. So really its a win-win all round.

I agree, but its kind of strange that the movie is less than 2 months out from release, and there's still no word yet on a rating. Either the film isn't finished or there are some issues with the content that are dragging things out.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on April 18, 2012, 04:26:09 PM
I don't think so... I do know that it's a moot issue anyway as far as rating goes.
Even if the cut that runs in theaters is PG-13 we will still get an R-Rated Directors
Cut on DVD. So really its a win-win all round.

No it isn't. The issue is that you're paying top dollar to see a potentially incomplete or self-censored version of the film in theaters. It's especially not a moot issue for those that take the medium seriously, and see this as potentially the best of the year, if they can only experience the worst version of it in the best venue. To put it another way, I'd rather not see the watered down, fullscreen, TV edited, kids' version from Walmart in theaters just so I can pay for it again to see the real version later on a pan and scan digital TV. It's an issue of integrity, and the only way it'll be moot is if they display some, which Ridley Scott hopefully will.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on April 18, 2012, 04:58:44 PM
No it isn't. The issue is that you're paying top dollar to see a potentially incomplete or self-censored version of the film in theaters. It's especially not a moot issue for those that take the medium seriously, and see this as potentially the best of the year, if they can only experience the worst version of it in the best venue. To put it another way, I'd rather not see the watered down, fullscreen, TV edited, kids' version from Walmart in theaters just so I can pay for it again to see the real version later on a pan and scan digital TV. It's an issue of integrity, and the only way it'll be moot is if they display some, which Ridley Scott hopefully will.

Its not even that Griffith its the fact that the MPAA has yet to decide how they want to rate the film. If they say its PG-13 then any Graphic Violence, Nudity, or sexual content will be toned down for that cut... If they say its an R-Rated film no cuts-no problem.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on April 18, 2012, 05:04:39 PM
Regardless, its crap that his vision should be compromised for the sake of corporate greed, but hey it could be worse right? =S Or would a neutered version be the ultimate low?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on April 18, 2012, 05:32:15 PM
From an interview he and key cast members had in Paris recently - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr0rb_9fqB4&feature=player_embedded

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“The cut that you’re gonna see in cinemas…it’s always the director’s cut, really ...I’ve only made a mistake once on cutting a film short — I won’t say what it is right now, because this is not the time — but I removed 17 minutes off a movie, and I didn’t ruin it, but it wasn’t [as effective]. In this instance, you got a pretty good version here, pretty good cut. We’re running at about — I think without the end titles, which normally run about four to five minutes — we’re running one hour, fifty-nine minutes and change. It’s very tight, it’s what it should be.”
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on April 18, 2012, 05:48:20 PM
Its not even that Griffith

Sure it is, I was talking about that practice and mentality in general; that it doesn't matter because of the Blu-ray.

its the fact that the MPAA has yet to decide how they want to rate the film. If they say its PG-13 then any Graphic Violence, Nudity, or sexual content will be toned down for that cut... If they say its an R-Rated film no cuts-no problem.

The wording of that explanation is a little backward, it's not like the MPAA declares what rating the film must have and then it's cut to reflect that (e.g. "It should be an R movie so ADD more violence"). It's the filmmakers and studio that decide what rating they want, and then submit a cut to the MPAA and go back and forth from there. If Scott says his cut is the final one regardless of rating and the studio respects that, then it won't matter what the MPAA rates it (remember what happened with Blue Valentine, though that won't be an issue here).

From an interview he and key cast members had in Paris recently - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr0rb_9fqB4&feature=player_embedded

They seem to be talking about length, not content though.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on April 20, 2012, 07:21:19 PM
And the cut of Prometheus to be shown June.8.2012 will be rated PG-13.
You will see the R-Rated cut on DVD/Blu-Ray sometime in 2013.

Source: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/168
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on April 20, 2012, 11:36:27 PM
David says hello - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWmbqH_z7jM

Damn that's pretty cool actually.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on April 24, 2012, 12:53:59 AM
Cinemacon 2012

Here's Prometheus' schedule for the event:

"Thursday, April 26 / 10:30 AM – 12:00 PM / Location: The Colosseum-Casino Level

Twentieth Century Fox Invites You to a Special Presentation Highlighting its 2012 release schedule"

Source: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/171
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on April 24, 2012, 12:58:04 PM
Choose to or not to read the spoilers below off a RC interview -

Prometheus origins and evolution from Alien

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http://www.screenslam.com/blog/sir-ridley-scotts-prometheus-origins-evolution-from-alien/

PROMETHEUS ORIGINS AND EVOLUTION – Sir Ridley Scott, the renowned filmmaker who reinvented the science fiction film genre – having helmed Alien, a groundbreaking mix of science fiction and horror, followed by Blade Runner, one of the most revered and influential genre films of our time – offers his signature brand of action, thrills, scares, and much, much more, when Prometheus is unleashed in theaters worldwide this June.

With Prometheus, Scott has created a new mythology, in which a team of explorers discover a clue to the origins of mankind on Earth, leading them on a thrilling journey, aboard the spaceship Prometheus, to the darkest corners of the universe. There, they must fight a terrifying battle to save the future of the human race.

Although he has not helmed a science fiction picture in three decades, Ridley Scott’s interest in the genre never abated.  Having made two of the most revered genre films of all time, his return would only be triggered by a truly grand idea.  “Over the past few decades, we’ve been ‘action filmed-out’ and ‘monster filmed-out’ and almost ‘science fiction filmed-out,” says Scott. “So the baseline question is: how original are you going to be?”

“The reason I haven’t made another sci-fi film in so many years, apart from the fact I’ve been busy making other films and exploring different genres, is because frankly I haven’t come across anything worthwhile for me to do with enough truth, originality and strength.  Prometheus has all three.”

The notion for Prometheus began with a figure glimpsed only briefly in Alien, and which seemed to be forgotten once the titular xenomorph burst, literally, onto the scene.  But that mysterious being – a giant fossilized creature with a burst-open chest, which came to be known as the Space Jockey – was well remembered by the man who brought it to life.  “Something that had stayed with me ever since Alien, was the mystery behind it,” says Scott.  Who was he?  Where was he from?   What was his mission? What kind of technology would his kind possess?  I thought those questions could provide a springboard for even larger ideas.”

So, yes, Prometheus began life years ago as an Alien prequel before evolving, as Scott puts it, “into another universe.”  The film is engaged and defined by new ideas and questions that captured the filmmaker’s formidable imagination.  Notes Scott: “Out of the creative process in developing the picture emerged a new, grand mythology, in which this original story takes place.  The keen fan will recognize strands of Alien’s DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, far-reaching and provocative.  Prometheus is the singular genre tale I’d been searching for.”

Adds co-screenwriter Jon Spaihts:  “The most difficult thing about writing this story was that nothing was given.  Everything had to be invented.  In creating an entire world with Ridley Scott, I had an enormous canvas to paint on.” And co-screenwriter/executive producer Damon Lindelof says that he was “incredibly struck by just how original Ridley’s vision was for this movie. It’s daring, visceral and hopefully, the last thing anyone expects.”

As the script was developed, the story’s big ideas emerged:  During a journey to meet what some of the scientist crew believe to be their “makers” – beings who may have created life on our planet – the crew of the spaceship Prometheus and the mega-corporation funding its trillion-dollar mission, are in effect challenging the gods. And, as experienced by the Greek mythological figure from which the ship takes its name, challenging the gods can be a very, very bad idea.

“The film’s central metaphor is about the Greek Titan Prometheus, who defies the gods by giving humans the gift of fire, for which he is horribly punished,” Scott explains.  “When you talk about the myth on which the title is based, you’re dealing with humankind’s relationship with the gods – the beings who created us – and what happens when we defy them.”

But ultimately, notes Lindelof, Prometheus is centered around… us.  “It’s about humanity in the future, challenging some of our most cherished scientific and philosophic ideas.”

The team of scientists and explorers aboard the Prometheus are on nothing less than a journey to discover answers to some of life’s most profound questions.  Two brilliant young scientists, Shaw (Noomi Rapace) and Holloway (Logan Marshall-Green) possessing contrasting motivations, lead the expedition.  Shaw is a believer: she wants to meet these “gods” as a way of getting closer to her more traditional religious views, while Holloway is looking to debunk these kinds of spiritual notions.  In their work as archeologists, they have discovered clues in cave pictograms from ancient civilizations across the world, all of which point to the same location in distant space, and have persuaded a corporation, Weyland Industries, to fund the mission.

Neither scientist was prepared for the unimaginable terrors they would encounter. “When Shaw and Holloway conceived the mission, their expectation was they would discover a benevolent species that might provide answers to some of our greatest mysteries,” says executive producer Michael Ellenberg.  “In other words they were hoping to meet gods.  But these beings prove to be anything but compassionate.  They are a dangerous race of superbeings.”

“The crew of the Prometheus thinks they’re headed to paradise to discover answers to the ultimate questions.  But what they find is a dark and twisted and frightening world – a way station for these beings,” adds Jon Spaihts.  “The cold and implacable environment is more like hell than heaven.”

In Ridley Scott’s films, including Prometheus, the protagonists’ discoveries often defy expectations.  “That’s what makes good drama,” states the filmmaker.  “Our story circles the truth of what might be out there and therein lays its most frightening aspect.  Feasibility always creates the finest and most dangerous drama and the opportunity for me to scare the hell out of everyone.”

On the planet, the team meets a survivor of a civilization in control of some very dangerous elements, including various forms of biology and biomechanics, which in a heartbeat can eviscerate its victim, or worse.  “This brings us to the question,” says Scott, “what are the consequences of meeting a superior being, whose capabilities are quantum leaps beyond one’s own, and are in effect god-like?”

Or put another way:  Maybe there are some things best left unexplored.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on April 26, 2012, 09:36:05 AM
Prometheus Featurette * New Footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsYej64A3tA

----

Prometheus Trailer 2 [4/29/12]

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Prometheus will be rated R according to FOX CEO, Tom Rothman in a recent MTV interview. This is an incredible sign of relief to most fan boys - as many were getting discouraged that the film may hold a PG-13 rating.

"Not one frame of Prometheus will be cut."
...
"If that means it’s an R rating, so be it."
- Tom Rothman, Fox CEO

You all can rest easy Prometheus fans. No cuts and a solid R - a good day for any hard core Alien fan.

Source: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/176

* Thank God
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on April 27, 2012, 01:34:15 AM
Prometheus Featurette * New Footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsYej64A3tA

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Prometheus Trailer 2 [4/29/12]

---------------------

Prometheus will be rated R according to FOX CEO, Tom Rothman in a recent MTV interview. This is an incredible sign of relief to most fan boys - as many were getting discouraged that the film may hold a PG-13 rating.

"Not one frame of Prometheus will be cut."
...
"If that means it’s an R rating, so be it."
- Tom Rothman, Fox CEO

You all can rest easy Prometheus fans. No cuts and a solid R - a good day for any hard core Alien fan.

Source: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/176

* Thank God

Rothman didn't say it was Rated R. He said that the film would not be edited or cut in any way to change the rating.
So, if the MPAA says R, it'll be R.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on April 27, 2012, 02:19:02 AM
And the cut of Prometheus to be shown June.8.2012 will be rated PG-13.
You will see the R-Rated cut on DVD/Blu-Ray sometime in 2013.

Source: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/168
Prometheus will be rated R according to FOX CEO, Tom Rothman in a recent MTV interview. This is an incredible sign of relief to most fan boys - as many were getting discouraged that the film may hold a PG-13 rating.

"Not one frame of Prometheus will be cut."
...
"If that means it’s an R rating, so be it."
- Tom Rothman, Fox CEO

You all can rest easy Prometheus fans. No cuts and a solid R - a good day for any hard core Alien fan.

Source: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/176

* Thank God

Let's just wait for the MPAA to rate it. I mean, it's one thing to anticipate to the film with bated breath, but anticipating the MPAA rating is a bit much.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on April 29, 2012, 08:23:13 PM
Prometheus International Launch Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byZkbNB3Jw&feature=youtu.be

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Prometheus : Original Soundtrack
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6.5.2012
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Joe Chip on April 29, 2012, 08:43:20 PM
Prometheus Final Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byZkbNB3Jw&feature=youtu.be
I enjoyed it, but it's way too revealing. 
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on April 29, 2012, 08:51:42 PM
It reveals a lot more than the last set of trailers. I'd recommend not seeing it!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Joe Chip on April 29, 2012, 09:25:06 PM
I'd recommend not seeing it!
I totally agree, i wish i hadn't.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Skeleton on April 30, 2012, 06:10:41 AM
It reveals a lot more than the last set of trailers.

Man, you aren't joking.  I don't care about spoilers at all, and even I had a "wow, they're revealing a lot" moment while I was watching it.

One of the top comments hit my funny bone though.  "I'm throwing money at the screen and nothing is happening!"  Indeed.   :ganishka:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on April 30, 2012, 10:52:06 AM
I don't know why they felt the need to make a near 3 minute trailer anyways. The previous trailer was around 2 minutes and was plenty revealing enough.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: zrexe on April 30, 2012, 11:07:41 AM
I don't know why they felt the need to make a near 3 minute trailer anyways. The previous trailer was around 2 minutes and was plenty revealing enough.

Clearly, it was because the movie was so damned good that they just HAD to share it with the rest of the world. :carcus:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on April 30, 2012, 01:04:23 PM
I find it interesting, and a little sad, that a lot of people still don't know what this movie is about. I was at lunch with a colleague and his friend, and was saying how a new Alien movie was coming out. The guy said: "What, Alien 5? *snicker*" "No it's called Prometheus, and it's supposed to be set before Alien." "What?! I had no idea!"

 :ganishka:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on April 30, 2012, 01:43:13 PM
I'd be surprised if it was still a PG-13. Maybe that's why they have a longer trailer to try and entice more people to come watch it if it's going to be an R. Maybe. Then again, they'll have to make their money before TDKR comes out a few weeks later. There're a few theories I can think of with the direction that story might take ...

That's sad Walter ... Alien Fans UNITE! (watched a lot of The Avengers last night and they keep saying "Avengers UNITE!" before a battle)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on April 30, 2012, 02:40:25 PM
No from what I've heard re-guardless what the MPAA decides as far as the rating goes the film will screen uncut.



There is a link for the HD release of the International Launch Trailer below... If you don't want to check it out don't I'm just handing out options here as there is new footage in the 2nd cut of the Launch Trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vep18CsW5T0&feature=player_embedded

So whose pre-ordered the Soundtrack?

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Thx to who ever modified the post for me my browser was acting up.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on April 30, 2012, 05:29:52 PM
I find it interesting, and a little sad, that a lot of people still don't know what this movie is about. I was at lunch with a colleague and his friend, and was saying how a new Alien movie was coming out. The guy said: "What, Alien 5? *snicker*" "No it's called Prometheus, and it's supposed to be set before Alien." "What?! I had no idea!"

At least he didn't just say, "Who cares?" Because that was my first thought at the significance of it being an Alien prequel. :iva:

I mean, it's not like this is the mythical Alien prequel everyone was demanding, because nobody was demanding an Alien prequel (but were in fact disgusted by the concept). Including the filmmakers apparently, since they actively distanced it from the Alien franchise and started selling it as more of a related story set in the same world than an "Alien movie." This, not coincidentally, is also when everyone got excited about it, when it dropped the "Alien" and became sort of a pseudo stand alone film (from the trailer it's obviously directly related to Alien though, so technically a prequel by any name). So, best case scenario is that it's great and the argument can be made that it's the true spiritual successor and legitimate counterpart to Ridley Scott's Alien, a relationship that's canon transcends the rest of Alien franchise, good (Aliens) and bad (everything else). Or, that's a check it can't cash and it really is just an Alien movie by another name; the successor to what was going to be Alien 5, which became Alien prequels in 3D, which thankfully, became Prometheus.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on April 30, 2012, 05:47:00 PM
So, best case scenario is that it's great and the argument can be made that it's the true spiritual successor and legitimate counterpart to Ridley Scott's Alien, a relationship that's canon transcends the rest of Alien franchise, good (Aliens) and bad (everything else).
I believe it's the first part of that statement and as far as my understanding is, this is a direct prequel to Alien (in RC's own words it answers basic questions - who are the space jockey's you see in Alien, where did they come from, what's up with that). Through interviews of RC, he also leads us to understand that between the end of Prometheus and the beginning of Alien, there is a gap of 2/4 years and he's interested in looking to fill that gap with another movie, if possible.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on April 30, 2012, 06:01:59 PM
At least he didn't just say, "Who cares?" Because that was my first thought at the significance of it being an Alien prequel. :iva:

I mean, it's not like this is the mythical Alien prequel everyone was demanding, because nobody was demanding an Alien prequel (but were in fact disgusted by the concept).
All I meant by my statement was that I get the impression the general public doesn't know that this is an Alien movie, regardless of whatever mealy mouthed things were said during the production and marketing side of this. And I wonder if that's going to hurt its shot at the box office.

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Including the filmmakers apparently, since they actively distanced it from the Alien franchise and started selling it as more of a related story set in the same world than an "Alien movie." This, not coincidentally, is also when everyone got excited about it, when it dropped the "Alien" and became sort of a pseudo stand alone film (from the trailer it's obviously directly related to Alien though, so technically a prequel by any name).
"Uhhh, well it's not REALLY an Alien movie... I mean sure, it's addressing some of the central lore about the series, and will have the same setting and technically be in the same universe BUUUUT.... ya know, it's it's own thing! REALLY!"  :schierke:

I've only seen one trailer, and it was early, but it's tied inexorably to Alien, Xenomorphs or not. I don't even see the point of them trying to distance it from the franchise, other than a weak attempt to manipulate expectations.

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So, best case scenario is that it's great and the argument can be made that it's the true spiritual successor and legitimate counterpart to Ridley Scott's Alien, a relationship that's canon transcends the rest of Alien franchise, good (Aliens) and bad (everything else). Or, that's a check it can't cash and it really is just an Alien movie by another name; the successor to what was going to be Alien 5, which became Alien prequels in 3D, which thankfully, became Prometheus.
My expectations are already pretty low. And that's exactly where I want them to be. Honestly, I think Scott lost his touch years ago (in the 80s). But I can't deny that I'm a little excited to see what he does with a return to the franchise (well).

...re-guardless

So whose pre-ordered the Soundtrack?

loling  :ganishka:

PS: I guess we should probably have an Alien talk on the next podcast...
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on April 30, 2012, 06:15:00 PM
Alien talk would be great! Would you want to do that after you've watched Prometheus though ... so you can talk about them both!? ^_^

For me, one of the biggest things was the technology used in Prometheus - hoping it's the same as what we see in Alien.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on April 30, 2012, 06:28:15 PM
I believe it's the first part of that statement and as far as my understanding is, this is a direct prequel to Alien (in RC's own words it answers basic questions - who are the space jockey's you see in Alien, where did they come from, what's up with that). Through interviews of RC, he also leads us to understand that between the end of Prometheus and the beginning of Alien, there is a gap of 2/4 years and he's interested in looking to fill that gap with another movie, if possible.

Yikes! In that case it sounds like just another franchise reboot. So much for my beautiful bookends theory. =)

All I meant by my statement was that I get the impression the general public doesn't know that this is an Alien movie, regardless of whatever mealy mouthed things were said during the production and marketing side of this. And I wonder if that's going to hurt its shot at the box office.


"Uhhh, well it's not REALLY an Alien movie... I mean sure, it's addressing some of the central lore about the series, and will have the same setting and technically be in the same universe BUUUUT.... ya know, it's it's own thing! REALLY!"  :schierke:

I've only seen one trailer, and it was early, but it's tied inexorably to Alien, Xenomorphs or not. I don't even see the point of them trying to distance it from the franchise, other than a weak attempt to manipulate expectations.

Agreed on all points. The film's appeal and the anticipation/goodwill surrounding it comes paradoxically from its Alien roots and the fact that it's somewhat distanced from its Alien roots. Remember how reviled this project was when it was going to be back to back Alien 3D prequels? From what Incantation just said, maybe the only thing they dropped is the 3D. :ganishka:

Anyway, I don't blame them for wanting it both ways, it's a calculated risk, and we'll find out at the box office if the credibility it's gained is worth losing brand recognition. It's certainly better for it as a movie though.

My expectations are already pretty low. And that's exactly where I want them to be.

Same here, I'm really of down on it actually, to the point of malaise about seeing it. Just expecting to be disappointed.

Honestly, I think Scott lost his touch years ago (in the 80s). But I can't deny that I'm a little excited to see what he does with a return to the franchise (well).

Alien - Episode I: The Promethean Menace! :troll:

PS: I guess we should probably have an Alien talk on the next podcast...

I was thinking the same thing, actually. :guts:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on April 30, 2012, 06:55:33 PM
I believe it's the first part of that statement and as far as my understanding is, this is a direct prequel to Alien (in RC's own words it answers basic questions - who are the space jockey's you see in Alien, where did they come from, what's up with that). Through interviews of RC, he also leads us to understand that between the end of Prometheus and the beginning of Alien, there is a gap of 2/4 years and he's interested in looking to fill that gap with another movie, if possible.

I believe Ridley explains what you are talking about in this video at 15:48:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr0rb_9fqB4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr0rb_9fqB4)

Paraphrasing here, if you don't want to watch the video, he says that the kinship between Alien and Prometheus becomes evident in the last 8 minutes of the film. The space jockey history was the fuse for the project, but the movie evolved into something else entirely.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on April 30, 2012, 07:05:40 PM
And I believe the same thing to a point is covered here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzTY_o44qcg&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on April 30, 2012, 07:31:40 PM
I think the promise of this big reveal is precisely what has me thinking it's going to end with an incredulous, "That was it?" Those quotes sound like a description of a M. Night Shamalamadingdong movie. =)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on April 30, 2012, 07:42:26 PM
I think the beauty of it is that right now everyone has there own working theories about what Prometheus is or isn't.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on April 30, 2012, 08:03:41 PM
I think the beauty of it is that right now everyone has there own working theories about what Prometheus is or isn't.
What flavor Kool-Aid are you drinking?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on April 30, 2012, 08:12:13 PM
I think the beauty of it is that right now everyone has there own working theories about what Prometheus is or isn't.

One could say such pap in vague praise of any movie, e.g.:

"I think the beauty of Dude, Where's My Car? is that right now everyone has there own working theories about what where the car is or isn't."

Same answer as Prometheus too: Alien, dude.

What flavor Kool-Aid are you drinking?

I only caught a whiff of it and this was my reaction:

(http://scattermindcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hi_michael_bolton.jpg)


Anyway, the best part of that generously reverent take on the relevancy of this coming motion picture event is that absolutely nobody here has been genuinely intellectually curiosity or enthusiastic about what exactly Prometheus is (other than to say, "It looks like this, but I hope not"). As it stands, the meaning of "Prometheus" is the potential of the film to be good or even great, and how it lives up to that is how it will ultimately be judged, not on the potential itself. Speaking of which, Ridley Scott on Prometheus, the film, the ship, or whatever the thematic/symbolic meaning:

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"When the first Alien movie and Blade Runner were made, I thought that in the near future the world will be owned by large companies. This is why we have the Tyrell Corporation in Blade Runner, and Weyland-Yutani in Alien. They sent the Nostromo spaceship.

The Prometheus is owned by an entrepreneur called Peter Weyland, who is played by Guy Pearce. That's the connection between the two films, and nothing more. Prometheus is a new film, a new world, and is full of new ideas."

Full disclosure on why I'm so pessimistic (not really a spoiler, but a downer for sure =): I was carefree about spoilers early on and saw something I didn't much care for. Hopefully it wasn't what it seemed. Since then I've basically been avoiding everything on it and hoping it was nothing, the less known the better. So, I should definitely avoid the International Trailer then? It might reignite my enthusiasm though, but then that would raise my expectations! :magni:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on April 30, 2012, 09:56:39 PM
... From what has been shown in the Trailer and this is my assumption.

- The planet is a Garden of Earthly Delights. The Derelict is a vessel used for the planting of creation matrix's on uninhabited worlds. The Urns become whatever life forms they are programed to form. The world is teeming with parasitic lifeforms that self-evolve
upon entering a new organism.

- The Snake in the Ampule Chamber is in its base form. Its 2nd incarnation can be seen emerging from a dead scientists mouth in the Ampule Chamber with a familiar mouth.
(1st/2nd cut of Launch Trailer)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on April 30, 2012, 11:26:26 PM
This's what I think Prometheus really is - it's the name of the ship that the crew is on (OBVIOUSLY hehe), you hear them call that in the trailer(s). It's sort of like the ship itself is out there to make discoveries or contact with other life and bring that knowledge or whatever back to Earth, similar to mythology where Prometheus steals from the Gods for humans. That's my analogy of it.

The trailers collectively give out a lot of spoilers -


1. You see Rapace's character being infected with a bloated belly and in subsequent scenes with greenish blood walking in the hall-way with a cut on her belly. This would mean she had the baby cut out of her or whatever that was in her cut out of her.

2. You see old man Weyland (Pierce) in a wheelchair on the ship after Rapace has had the thing cut out of her. Maybe he got on board the ship without their knowledge? Fassbender is kinda shown to be awake before everyone else so he could easily hide Weyland during that time.

3. Rapace meets a Space Jockey towards the end or something smaller because they're supposed to be really tall/ big boned. Maybe it's the Space Jockey in it's early child form? Which may mean maybe it's a hybrid after the infection with the substance Fassbender brings back with him on ship. That's why they don't want the other ship to go to Earth cos the green stuff successfully mutates with humans to form Space Jockey's. In one of the scenes we see SJ pods like sleeping pods or something, so maybe they're a) a dying race and b) calling species to them (?) to see if they have a match on making more of themselves using the green substance. When they see it successfully playing out with humans, they decide to go to Earth for mass-produce. So if humans turn into SJ's post infection and transformation, I think somehow the SJ gets infected by a hybrid and his ship crashed, chest busted and the new being is a Xenomorph we see in Alien. Far fetch, doesn't make sense considering this movie's supposed to happen years before Alien. But I can see SOME ideas coming true, not the whole thing haha!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on May 01, 2012, 11:23:46 AM
So, I should definitely avoid the International Trailer then? It might reignite my enthusiasm though, but then that would raise my expectations! :magni:

I would at least watch the previous 2 minute international trailer. Its quite good, if anything watch it just for the old Alien trailer sound effects towards the end. Avoid the latest 3 minute international trailer.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on May 01, 2012, 11:47:47 AM
I want to be in the podcast and defend the flawed masterpiece that is Alien 3 (the assembly cut). :iva:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 01, 2012, 01:05:45 PM
I want to be in the podcast and defend the flawed masterpiece that is Alien 3 (the assembly cut). :iva:
That would be cool ... though I feel like that movie is beyond saving. Whether Fincher was dicked over or not, seeing the final product isn't a proud moment for any fan of the franchise (I'd like to believe that haha)!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on May 01, 2012, 01:36:25 PM
I want to be in the podcast and defend the flawed masterpiece that is Alien 3 (the assembly cut). :iva:

Same thought ran through my mind.  :guts:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on May 01, 2012, 01:42:56 PM
I actually haven't seen Alien 3 yet. I'm going to watch it before the recording.  :void:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 01, 2012, 01:46:43 PM
Will you watch the Director's Cut or the Theatrical Cut?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on May 01, 2012, 01:48:31 PM
Will you watch the Director's Cut or the Theatrical Cut?
Make it easy for me. Tell me which I should see.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on May 01, 2012, 02:01:51 PM
I actually haven't seen Alien 3 yet. I'm going to watch it before the recording.  :void:

If you have the time watch Theatrical AND Director's. You can't 'get' the Director's Cut unless you've seen the Theatrical. I say you experience the film as the majority of us did and stick to what was shown in theaters.
 
I actually haven't seen Alien 3 yet.

...Why?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on May 01, 2012, 02:18:32 PM
If you have the time watch Theatrical AND Director's. You can't 'get' the Director's Cut unless you've seen the Theatrical. I say you experience the film as the majority of us did and stick to what was shown in theaters.
I should watch a movie that most people say was crap TWICE?  :ganishka:

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...Why?
Well, the answer is embarrassing. I'll talk about it on the podcast.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 01, 2012, 02:27:18 PM
Make it easy for me. Tell me which I should see.
Director's cut >Theatrical cut.

Alien Resurrection too?

Btw, I said earlier that between the end of Prometheus and Alien the time gap is 2 or something years - wrong - sorry about that, it's 30 years instead.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on May 01, 2012, 03:16:17 PM
I should watch a movie that most people say was crap TWICE?  :ganishka:

Most people are fucking morons. Alien 3 isn't crap. People's hard on for the Director's Cut of Alien 3 is just that, a hard on. It's not on the same level of it's predecessors. I don't want to spoil anything for you. Go in and enjoy Weaver in this one. That is all. Oh and enjoy Charles Dance and Charles S. Dutton.  Alien 3 has some solid performances in it. Bad CGI, really bad CGI, but solid acting.

Alien Resurrection? Yea...don't watch that. FUCK IT. Watch it to see what a BAD Alien movie is. DO IT.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on May 01, 2012, 03:19:57 PM
I should watch a movie that most people say was crap TWICE?  :ganishka:

Exactly, what a joke. You should watch the theater version, and for one simple reason: it's shorter.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 01, 2012, 03:34:55 PM
You wanna watch a crap Alien film twice watch both Avp films.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 01, 2012, 04:00:47 PM
Exactly, what a joke. You should watch the theater version, and for one simple reason: it's shorter.
Hahaha! He's right too.

I hear you Proj, but you have to look at the movie as a whole without singling out the acting or the CGI or the script or the directing or the cinematography. But you get to see Fincher's pissed off interview if you have the Blu Ray set. There were what 3/4 re-writes of the script!?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on May 01, 2012, 07:13:55 PM
Most people are fucking morons. Alien 3 isn't crap. People's hard on for the Director's Cut of Alien 3 is just that, a hard on. It's not on the same level of it's predecessors. I don't want to spoil anything for you. Go in and enjoy Weaver in this one. That is all. Oh and enjoy Charles Dance and Charles S. Dutton.  Alien 3 has some solid performances in it. Bad CGI, really bad CGI, but solid acting.

Alien Resurrection? Yea...don't watch that. FUCK IT. Watch it to see what a BAD Alien movie is. DO IT.

I agree completely, and i'll also add, it has undoubtedly the best score from any Alien movie, and in my opinion the best acting. Even though Sigourney's oscar nom for Aliens was deserving, i think Alien 3 has better character interaction.
Also, the love for Alien 3 has been growing, mainly because people have detached themselves from Aliens throughout the years. That attachment was the main reason why fans hated Alien 3, because they kill off two (or 3) main characters right from the beginning. And since people love the gun-ho and clichéd cardboard characters from Aliens (something that Cameron excels at doing), they wanted Alien 3 to be Aliens 2. Actually most stupid fans just want fucking space marines vs xenomorphs, for them that's the essence of the Alien franchise. When you're a kid, you'd be glad with that. But nowadays i see many people going against Aliens for it's dated look, the over the top cheesy acting and dialogue, and for ruining the Alien life cycle. It's still probably the best action movie on par with Die Hard, an intense roller-coaster ride.

What Alien 3 tried to do, and in many parts succeeded, was to finish Ripley's story and bring back the bleak atmosphere of the original. In many ways being more harrowing due to it's nihilistic tone.
I can see why people hated the movie, doesn't follow Aliens, it's a complete downer (it's probably one of the most pessimistic, despairing, distressful blockbusters i've ever seen), it has too many unrecognizable characters with thick english accents, no guns, no action, almost no technology.

Walter, do yourself a favor, watch the assembly cut (it's not a directors cut, there's no such thing, because Fincher never did it - he stayed away from the movie for most of his career, but i've seen some recent interviews where he sounds like he warmed up to it), it's a different film in many ways, it's not like your average "directors cut" with added scenes, many plot points are changed, so much that some pivotal scenes in the plot are completely different from the theatrical cut, and make way more sense in the story.
You already know that the movie is flawed, no one questions this, it had a really troubled production, but it is a fitting end to the franchise.
I love it, always did, and i'll always defend it.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 01, 2012, 07:34:13 PM
My bad, it's the Assembly Cut ... about 25-30 minutes of added footage and the story is different, as NightCrawler rightly pointed out.

I like Aliens but it's not pure horror like Alien.

I don't know if anyone's noticed but for some reason the Director's cut (don't remember about the Theatrical) on Aliens looks less crisp or less beautiful/ rich than Alien. I noticed it on the BR release.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on May 02, 2012, 05:29:08 PM
I didn't mind Alien 3 so much, but when I read some of the other scripts and routes they could have gone...it left me wanting more and more. The performances were definitely better than Aliens, and the characters were a bit better, too. Not worlds better, but definitely more substance to them. It's a little bit easier to do that when you have a group of flawed individuals, as opposed to a group of space marines ready for action (which is why I like Aliens to begin with).

Alien Resurrection was shit, but it's sort of my guilty pleasure movie.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 02, 2012, 08:26:47 PM
This sounds like an R-Rated Scott film to me.

Fox released an audio file 1 Minute in length containing dialogue from a scene in the film. Below is the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aIWERkzeHkk
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on May 03, 2012, 12:39:48 AM
You guys should continue analyzing Aliens to convey just how vital Alien 3 is. That says it all, really. =)

There's a reason one is the measuring stick by which you're trying to quantify the other positively, and it's not because the stick is broken. So, trying to make Alien 3 look better by comparison to Aliens will get you nowhere with me. For starters, everything listed as flawed about Aliens is worse in Alien 3. Dated visuals, cliche characters, over the top dialogue and acting, but without the focus, ambition, or payoff (even the finale is riddled with cliches). I mean, it's a hodge-podge of a story (you probably know the disastrous production history better than I do) that amounts to a goose egg unless you're literally projecting some sort of abstract meaning on it all, and being essentially rudderless helps people do just that.

Which is also why people still don't like the way they killed off the principles from Aliens, because it was just an arbitrary dump (literally, they just didn't know what to do with them in any of their scripts) that didn't pay off in any meaningful way (unless you count a crass autopsy scene, "eww gross!" =). One could forgive it if there was some thematic purpose to their deaths, or even if they told a worthwhile story after, but they really didn't unless you're into movies about filthy bald British stereotypes (was it really directed by a young David Fincher, or Guy Richie?) and... not much else, unless you're also into the reformed black preacher man/magical negro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro) cliche. So really, it's no less generic, it just appeals to a different sort, and the perception that it's different is part of that appeal (or specifically, like Nightcrawler, you could have just liked it when you were young and grown the movie in your mind over the years; not so different in principle than being a kid into Space Marines =). Actually, Alien 3 is much more generic considering how many movies out there are stylistically like it, only better, and how few ever did what Aliens set out to do (or as well). There's a reason people so desire(d) another movie like Aliens, and a reason nobody has been able to deliver it despite giving us all the Aliens, army men, and even Predators we can handle. It's just too bad to hear it being taken for granted now.

Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'll give Alien 3 another chance when David Fincher does. I'm clearly not pro-Alien 3, but even I want to like it. I just need some better reasons, because when I watch it, I don't see a misunderstood movie so much as a very flawed one that had big shoes to fill.

Alien Resurrection was shit, but it's sort of my guilty pleasure movie.

I can see that, but just think: in five more years we can seriously reconsider its merits as a film! Worst Alien movie, or the most avant-garde!? By then Alien 3 will be an undisputed classic, so we can challenge its safeness in comparison to the do-anything, nothing-is-sacred daring of Resurrección. :troll:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 04, 2012, 09:12:22 PM
In all the build up to Prometheus everyone has forgotten about another Alien Universe project Aliens : Colonial Marines.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 04, 2012, 10:49:21 PM
If that's the new game that's sort of coinciding with Prometheus's release date, then I've already pre-ordered it ... I think 2/3 months ago.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on May 04, 2012, 11:40:32 PM


In all the build up to Prometheus everyone has forgotten about another Alien Universe project Aliens : Colonial Marines.

I haven't. I already preordered it and have been following closely. Looks good.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 05, 2012, 02:28:03 AM
And its actually a part of the main cannon set between Aliens and Alien 3.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: ryOtoha on May 05, 2012, 02:52:50 AM
What do you guys think about that article, The Authorized Story of the Next Aliens Video Game Will Change the Way We See Aliens and Alien3 (http://kotaku.com/5907653/the-authorized-story-of-the-next-aliens-video-game-will-change-the-way-we-see-aliens-and-alien-3) ?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on May 05, 2012, 03:19:36 AM
In all the build up to Prometheus everyone has forgotten about another Alien Universe project Aliens : Colonial Marines.
What do you guys think about that article, The Authorized Story of the Next Aliens Video Game Will Change the Way We See Aliens and Alien3 (http://kotaku.com/5907653/the-authorized-story-of-the-next-aliens-video-game-will-change-the-way-we-see-aliens-and-alien-3) ?
I think it's pretty hilarious that Colonial Marines is only now getting big press because of Prometheus. That game has been in the works for YEARS. It was first shown off in 2006 and has had a sordid, back-and-forth development history with Gearbox. The thing with Aliens games, much like Aliens sequels--they don't live up to expectations. So I'm not too excited about this one, and particularly because of Gearbox's involvement, who have yet to prove themselves as a capable developer with any sort of consistency. Oh, but Wally! They made Borderlands! They sure did. They also "finished' Duke Nukem Forever, and created and buried and revived the shambling corpse of Brothers in Arms. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imkzw7oGTGw)

Now, as for Alien 3, which I finally saw for the very first time tonight... whew. I really wanted to like this thing. I did. I like underdogs. I like under-appreciated films. But I can now say that Alien 3's general reception was pretty much spot-on.

Around the halfway mark, I was really enjoying myself and the slowed-down pacing of the movie. It gave Ripley and all the other actors some breathing room. A chance to act and have some actual character development. But then it heads inevitably toward its action-packed finale, which felt like it was the product of about 10 re-writes, ultimately settling on a scenario that simply does not work on the screen. Bald British guys running down various same-looking corridors screaming so that the alien can be lead to "the piston" in some nebulously designed network of pathways... It's just a fucking mess, and overall a sour note to end out the series with (Resurrection doesn't count. I read the premise and barfed all over myself).

For the record, Aliens is my favorite movie in the series, but I readily acknowledge that Alien is a better movie.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: ryOtoha on May 05, 2012, 04:23:33 AM
I think it's pretty hilarious that Colonial Marines is only now getting big press because of Prometheus. That game has been in the works for YEARS. It was first shown off in 2006 and has had a sordid, back-and-forth development history with Gearbox. The thing with Aliens games, much like Aliens sequels--they don't live up to expectations. So I'm not too excited about this one, and particularly because of Gearbox's involvement, who have yet to prove themselves as a capable developer with any sort of consistency. Oh, but Wally! They made Borderlands! They sure did. They also "finished' Duke Nukem Forever, and created and buried and revived the shambling corpse of Brothers in Arms.

I totally agree with that. It's hilarious but not so surprising considering the chaotic and long development behind the game.Every time, I saw Randy Pitchford talking about a Gearbox current project, I'm only hearing a guy who's trying really hard to cover uninteresting stuff by coolness. That being said, like a lot of people, I wish I could be really surprise by Prometheus and I'm kind of hype by all the nostalgia thing, all the discussions, the few projects around. So maybe I'll give it a chance. We'll see after E3.

Honestly, Aliens : Infestation on DS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfX2c2oF5i0) excited me more than any other Alien game. The game design, the art direction, each marines are really cool (and if a marine dies, he or she is dead, permanently), all features and the ''metroidvania'' feel, made this game coherent and awesome.


For the record, Aliens is my favorite movie in the series, but I readily acknowledge that Alien is a better movie.

I'm a big cinevore (is that making sense in english ?) and I have always fun watching Aliens delivering one hell of a punch but in term of cinematography, I found Alien really elegant, subtle, solid and it stands far above many others, remaining truly atmospheric, strangely sensual. That's a good thing I've low expectations for Prometheus.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on May 05, 2012, 05:07:03 AM
I love Aliens but Alien is my favorite. I really like the Directors Cut even more too. A perfect movie actually, whether for sci-fi or horror. But it's still got that slow pacing and atmosphere that I love so much.

Btw I saw the Avengers the other night and got to watch the trailer for Prometheus in 3D. It looked fantastic! Not just saying that either. It really looked good. The 3d just popped for all the right reasons. 
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on May 05, 2012, 08:52:28 AM
What do you guys think about that article, The Authorized Story of the Next Aliens Video Game Will Change the Way We See Aliens and Alien3 (http://kotaku.com/5907653/the-authorized-story-of-the-next-aliens-video-game-will-change-the-way-we-see-aliens-and-alien-3) ?

I think it's both stupid and pretentious. I don't hold Gearbox Software's storytelling in high esteem, nor do I believe that bending backwards to produce a story that makes sense of Alien 3's intro has a lot of merit.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on May 05, 2012, 02:24:44 PM
The thing with Aliens games, much like Aliens sequels--they don't live up to expectations.

Well, as much as I hate to admit it, you're 100% in this situation. Looking back on the boards a year or two back, I was ultra pumped for the AvP game to come out. It did. It sucked.

I think it's both stupid and pretentious. I don't hold Gearbox Software's storytelling in high esteem, nor do I believe that bending backwards to produce a story that makes sense of Alien 3's intro has a lot of merit.

There are Aliens on the Sulaco in Colonial Marines. Full grown Aliens in tubes. Copy and pasted from this, more or less: http://img.newkadia.com/Covers/L/A/Aliens%201989%20series/aliens1989series2.jpg

How that's going to fit in and NOT be fucking stupid is beyond me.

I know I've taken heat for defending Alien 3...
Around the halfway mark, I was really enjoying myself and the slowed-down pacing of the movie. It gave Ripley and all the other actors some breathing room. A chance to act and have some actual character development.
...That's basically why I think it's not a piece of dog shit. Whatever.

Colonial Marines though...I won't even waste my time trying to defend what is most likely going to end up being fucking awful.

Every time, I saw Randy Pitchford talking about a Gearbox current project, I'm only hearing a guy who's trying really hard to cover uninteresting stuff by coolness.

Agreed, Randy Pitchford is really really fucking annoying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZHA58-_2Eg
Countless stupid one liners from him.  :schierke:



Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 07, 2012, 03:08:37 PM
Del Toro recently made a few posts on his board about At The Mountains Of Madness which are tied to Prometheus -

Not sure if it's spoiler-worthy after some of you have already watched the trailers but -

http://www.deltorofilms.com/wp/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=454

Quote
I have been interviewed about this lately and wanted to post my two cents about this:

Prometheus started filming a while ago- right at the time we were in preproduction on PACIFIC RIM. The title itself gave me pause- knowing that ALIEN was heavily influenced by Lovecraft and his novella.

This time, decades later with the budget and place Ridley Scott occupied, I assumed the greek metaphor alluded at the creation aspects of the HPL book. I believe I am right and if so, as a fan, I am delighted to see a new RS science fiction film, but this will probably mark a long pause -if not the demise- of ATMOM.

The sad part is- I have been pursuing ATMOM for over a decade now- and, well, fter Hellboy II two projects I dearly loved were not brought to fruition for me.

The good part is: One project did... And I am loving it and grateful for the blessings I have received.

Onwards.

G

And he goes on to say -

Quote
Same premise. Scenes that would be almost identical.

G

There's a fake ticket scan showing an R rating that's being circulating online.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on May 08, 2012, 01:13:14 AM
Prometheus confirmed to be R: http://collider.com/prometheus-rating-rated-r/164532/ (http://collider.com/prometheus-rating-rated-r/164532/)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on May 08, 2012, 11:06:25 AM
Prometheus confirmed to be R: http://collider.com/prometheus-rating-rated-r/164532/ (http://collider.com/prometheus-rating-rated-r/164532/)

I think that is the fake ticket Incantation was talking about...
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Lukis on May 08, 2012, 02:50:51 PM
Update: Steve here.  20th Century Fox has confirmed Prometheus will be rated R for “sci-fi violence including some intense images, and brief language.”  Our original story after the jump.

It's official ^^
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on May 08, 2012, 03:24:21 PM
I think that is the fake ticket Incantation was talking about...
R rating confirmed via Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/prometheus-rated-r-ridley-scott_n_1499244.html?ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on May 09, 2012, 01:21:58 PM
Alright alright..

Confirmed R here too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4sVq8D4VEk&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4sVq8D4VEk&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on May 09, 2012, 02:43:13 PM
Thank God we have that settled. :schierke:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 09, 2012, 03:08:42 PM
Thank God we have that settled. :schierke:

Now we can move onto more important topics.

"Should Prometheus be viewed in 3D or not?"
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on May 09, 2012, 03:24:09 PM
Now we can move onto more important topics.

"Should Prometheus be viewed in 3D or not?"
I've only ever had one good 3D viewing experience--Avatar. And it still felt superficial. I'll be seeing this in 2D.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 09, 2012, 03:24:20 PM
I'm hoping Lincoln Center has it at their IMAX screen but the theater doesn't show up any Prometheus shows :puck:. Yeah, IMAX 3D for me and if it's good, I'll check out the movie at a regular screen.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 09, 2012, 03:36:58 PM
I've only ever had one good 3D viewing experience -- Avatar. And it still felt superficial. I'll be seeing this in 2D.

This is true I saw Avatar in 3D as well. My view is if it was filmed in 3D visually it won't look as bad
as a film that was converted from 2d to 3D. I think I'll see Prometheus in both formats for comparison.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 09, 2012, 03:43:40 PM
IMAX screen options in NYC come with 3D unfortunately. I don't care much for 3D (it was fun for Piranha 3D or Tron).

Viral info perhaps - there's talk that the PG-13 version is 10 or 20 mins longer.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on May 09, 2012, 04:03:29 PM
Now we can move onto more important topics.

"Should Prometheus be viewed in 3D or not?"

 :guts:


I'm in the 2D camp. Unless the movie was specifically designed for 3D like Avatar, it's more a downgrade than a feature in my eyes (literally).
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 10, 2012, 11:10:53 PM
(http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/new_prometheusmovieposter_india.jpg)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on May 10, 2012, 11:46:06 PM
I'll be seeing this in imax 3d no doubt. Can't believe it's this close actually.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: ryOtoha on May 10, 2012, 11:49:09 PM
I've only ever had one good 3D viewing experience--Avatar.

You should have seen Hugo which is in my opinion, the best and surprisingly great 3D experience so far.  But I'll also see Prom in a regular format.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on May 11, 2012, 01:08:32 AM
Wasn't Prometheus shot specifically for 3d and not converted after? I think if you guys saw the trailer in 3d you would want to watch the whole that way unless its a principle thing.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on May 11, 2012, 01:24:02 AM
Wasn't Prometheus shot specifically for 3d and not converted after? I think if you guys saw the trailer in 3d you would want to watch the whole that way unless its a principle thing.

Yes, it was filmed entirely in 3D. No conversion necessary.

Source (http://www.slashgear.com/3ality-technica-speaks-on-prometheus-the-best-experience-possible-with-3d-18223450/).
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: ryOtoha on May 11, 2012, 01:26:08 AM
I want to see it in 2D first, because I can still see it in 3D and have (for better or worse) a different experience. The contrary isn't interesting.

A interesting interview of Jon Spaihts (http://io9.com/5909279/prometheus-writer-jon-spaihts-on-how-to-create-a-great-space-movie) who wrote five drafts of Ridley Scott's Prometheus, before handing it off to Damon Lindelof.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on May 11, 2012, 01:57:58 AM
You should have seen Hugo which is in my opinion, the best and surprisingly great 3D experience so far.  But I'll also see Prom in a regular format.
I saw Hugo. I found it boring, and the 3D wasn't very special to me, even though I'd read rave reviews of it.  :puck:

Wasn't Prometheus shot specifically for 3d and not converted after? I think if you guys saw the trailer in 3d you would want to watch the whole that way unless its a principle thing.
I'm really just not interested in the technology. For a presumably suspenseful movie like this, I think I'd find it distracting.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: ryOtoha on May 11, 2012, 02:02:20 AM
So it's a matter of taste :void: When I went to see it, I wasn't interested at all.
But I was very pleased and surprised by the form and the content. I found a sincere hommage to Melies and the art of filmmaking. It's far from a masterpiece but also from a bad movie.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 11, 2012, 04:56:46 PM
(http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/prometheusmovie_11512_1.jpg)

(http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/prometheusmovie_11512_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on May 11, 2012, 05:08:34 PM
I'm really just not interested in the technology. For a presumably suspenseful movie like this, I think I'd find it distracting.

Amen. Hopefully the 3D in this case will be used intelligently (to add depth...not that you need to). I don't need to see alien tentacles floating in front of my face.  :schierke:

Overall I find 3D tacky. I got an amazing deal on a plasma that happened to have 3D functionality. In almost two years of owning it, I've used 3D a total of 3 times. 2 of those times were to show my parents/friends what it looks like.

How many times can you watch Avatar?   Answer: once.

If no movie was ever made in 3D again, I wouldn't so much as blink.

P.S. Though I was a big time offender a few pages ago in this very thread, I'm fucking tired of everywhere online posting scenes form the movie.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 11, 2012, 07:42:52 PM
That's why I only posted the 2 pics that I did as the above images are scenes that were shown in the trailers but at a different angle.

============

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LX4TL2OgL._SS500_.jpg)

Music Composed by Marc Streitenfeld



01.A Planet
02.Going In
03.Engineers
04.Life*
05.Weyland
06.Discovery
07.Not Human
08.Too Close
09.Try Harder
10.David
11.Hammerpede
12.We were right
13.Earth
14.Infected
15.Hyper Sleep
16.Small Beginnings
17.Hello Mommy
18.Friend From The Past
19.Dazed
20.Space Jockey
21.Collision
22.Debris
23.Planting the Seed
24.Invitation
25.Birth



Source: http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/dp/tracks/B007TBCTRK/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_1
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on May 16, 2012, 03:07:13 AM
I won't bother posting it because of how much shit has been released for the movie, but a recent TV spot shows the fucking big dude and just how the facehugger-esque thing does its, well, thing.

At this point, I'm just going to see the movie to put all of these pieces together. It's like I'm fucking watching 21 Grams or something.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Skeleton on May 16, 2012, 03:37:11 AM
I won't bother posting it because of how much shit has been released for the movie, but a recent TV spot shows the fucking big dude and just how the facehugger-esque thing does its, well, thing.

During the Thunder game, right?  I caught it too.  My first thought after watching it was "I hope nobody on SK.net saw that."  It was stuffed full of spoilers.  They definitely don't want you to be surprised by anything in the film.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on May 16, 2012, 03:38:03 AM
Yea I'm done with anything related to this movie for the next few weeks. It's pretty close anyway so it won't be that hard.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on May 16, 2012, 11:49:16 AM
During the Thunder game, right?  I caught it too.  My first thought after watching it was "I hope nobody on SK.net saw that."  It was stuffed full of spoilers.  They definitely don't want you to be surprised by anything in the film.

Yeah, they actually showed it downtown as well. So everyone go to see it on the fucking big screen with the sound blasting through the streets. I didn't really have a fucking option at that point.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on May 16, 2012, 01:22:17 PM
Fortunately, i've been avoiding that last trailer (and everything after it) like the plague.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 16, 2012, 03:16:41 PM
I know what you guys are talking about that latest Tv spot. That thing was exploding with spoiler related content. I was like um Fox you know you weren't really showing much with the trailers but you'll show everything in the Tv Spots what's up with that.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 17, 2012, 12:30:04 PM
Fortunately, i've been avoiding that last trailer (and everything after it) like the plague.

Lucky man.

Booked my ticket - June 06, late Thursday night, first screening of the movie, IMAX 3D at the biggest IMAX screen in the city. Another thing that struck me was that RC shot the movie in 3D. I don't know how much of a difference the conversion to 2D would make.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on May 17, 2012, 12:49:56 PM
Lucky man.

Booked my ticket - June 06, late Thursday night, first screening of the movie, IMAX 3D at the biggest IMAX screen in the city. Another thing that struck me was that RC shot the movie in 3D. I don't know how much of a difference the conversion to 2D would make.

It might actually look nice. It's easy to downgrade to a different format. Upgrading? Well, I imagine you've seen the results...
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 17, 2012, 01:03:45 PM
I wonder how a movie shot in IMAX fares when it's converted to 2D. My only guess is converting any format to something else will have more cons than pros.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: aksaC on May 17, 2012, 04:29:31 PM
I am crushing so hard on this movie! :casca: The more I read, the more I want to see it! The question really is IMAX or no IMAX?  :???:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 17, 2012, 05:22:33 PM
I am crushing so hard on this movie! :casca: The more I read, the more I want to see it! The question really is IMAX or no IMAX?  :???:

If you really want a comparison viewing for Prometheus AksaC I suggest seeing the film in standard format before seeing it in IMAX.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/7089/original/Prometheus-International-Poster.jpg?1337267411)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on May 17, 2012, 06:38:48 PM
Even the poster spoils the movie! :ganishka:

If their marketing department handled Star Wars it would be the Death Star exploding on the poster. :guts:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 17, 2012, 07:01:11 PM
Even the poster spoils the movie! :ganishka:

If their marketing department handled Star Wars it would be the Death Star exploding on the poster. :guts:

Which is why the marketing for Prometheus has been confusing The promotional packets have been smart
in not giving away to much but just enough to get you interested. But as the launch date is around the
corner the Launch Trailer and recent TV Spot have detonated the gate on the spoiler barn. The above poster
isn't so much a spoiler as it represents material from the trailers that have been released.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on May 17, 2012, 07:19:22 PM
The above poster isn't so much a spoiler as it represents material from the trailers that have been released.

What, it's not a spoiler because they spoiled it already? That spoiler was sooo last trailer? :iva:

In any case, I'm impressed by their ability to distill their spoilerific advertising it into a single image.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on May 17, 2012, 09:20:49 PM
I actually really like that poster. Makes it seem like more campy old school sci-fi flick. Like a Mass Effect cover or something. But idk, nobody has seen the movie so nobody can really say how much is being spoiled can they. Best to just play it safe and not watch anything new though.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on May 17, 2012, 10:58:50 PM
I wonder how a movie shot in IMAX fares when it's converted to 2D. My only guess is converting any format to something else will have more cons than pros.

It would probably be about the same as seeing the parts of the Dark Knight that were shot in IMAX -- barely noticeable. Actually, it made it look a lot better. That is, of course, if you're talking about the regular IMAX camera. The 3D IMAX camera probably looks just as good, if not better.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on May 18, 2012, 03:09:55 AM
I actually really like that poster. Makes it seem like more campy old school sci-fi flick. Like a Mass Effect cover or something. But idk, nobody has seen the movie so nobody can really say how much is being spoiled can they. Best to just play it safe and not watch anything new though.

Uh huh, and probably best to not to issue mealy mouthed apologizes, however lightly (can't fool me :azan:), for all this preview content we shouldn't have to avoid. BTW, here's the Prometheus team's take on another classic poster:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/empire.jpg)

WHOA! I GOTTA SEE THAT! :isidro:

Modern advertising at its finest. NO SPOILERS HERE! Seriously, because of Episodes I, II, and III. People just wouldn't have known it wasn't a spoiler at the time. We have to think 4th dimensionally about the spoiler time continuum. Maybe Ridley Scott is going to make another prequel that reveals everything this movie will reveal chronologically before this film reveals it, so nothing they show now can really be spoilers! Who is to say? :???:

Me. It's fucking spoilers. =)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 18, 2012, 04:03:58 AM
Uh huh, and probably best to not to issue mealy mouthed apologizes, however lightly (can't fool me :azan:), for all this preview content we shouldn't have to avoid. BTW, here's the Prometheus team's take on another classic poster:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/empire.jpg)

WHOA! I GOTTA SEE THAT! :isidro:

Modern advertising at its finest. NO SPOILERS HERE! Seriously, because of Episodes I, II, and III. People just wouldn't have known it wasn't a spoiler at the time. We have to think 4th dimensionally about the spoiler time continuum. Maybe Ridley Scott is going to make another prequel that reveals everything this movie will reveal chronologically before this film reveals it, so nothing they show now can really be spoilers! Who is to say? :???:

Me. It's fucking spoilers. =)

Griffith "How Many Times have I told you that The Emperor does NOT want Lord Vader left unsupervised at the Cantina. Don't you realize every time you leave your post Vader is knocking up another one of Jabba's dancers."

lol

~~~~~~~~

But back on topic.

Whose bought the soundtrack I know I did and I have been enjoying it.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 18, 2012, 01:53:56 PM
Goddamn Griffith, that was hilarious!

hellrasinbrasin, the soundtrack's decent but I spun it only once. I'll hold off on listening to it again till after I've watched the film - that way I can appreciate what tune's played when/ etc.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on May 21, 2012, 06:33:45 PM
Hey, I bet the ship explodes at some point in the movie.  :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 21, 2012, 10:48:21 PM
Hey, I bet the ship explodes at some point in the movie.  :griffnotevil:

Why Walter what ever could have given you that idea...
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: aksaC on May 23, 2012, 02:28:38 PM
If you really want a comparison viewing for Prometheus AksaC I suggest seeing the film in standard format before seeing it in IMAX.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/7089/original/Prometheus-International-Poster.jpg?1337267411)

I might have to though honestly it might be hard to convince my companions to see it in standard format first.

As for spoilers, yeah I'm glad I saw ESB prior to the interwebs and prequels.  :schierke:

 
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Death May Die on May 23, 2012, 02:57:41 PM
It definitely looks like a worthy 3D IMAX film to me. To be honest there was such a film of the sorts since Avatar.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on May 29, 2012, 01:38:29 PM
Got to see an advance screening last night in IMAX.

All I can really say is that, despite the shitload of spoilers given by the trailers...they really spoil very little about the movie. Fantastic flick, guys. Very well worth seeing.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on May 29, 2012, 01:47:28 PM
Got to see an advance screening last night in IMAX.

All I can really say is that, despite the shitload of spoilers given by the trailers...they really spoil very little about the movie. Fantastic flick, guys. Very well worth seeing.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did it live up to the hype/hysteria and or your expectations??
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on May 29, 2012, 03:12:27 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did it live up to the hype/hysteria and or your expectations??

I really enjoyed it. It definitely paves the way for a second one.

*EDIT* I went ahead and removed the spoilers because I know this is a big movie for a lot of people. From here on out, I will only discuss them if you PM me.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 29, 2012, 03:22:16 PM
EDIT: Removed my spoilerific questions, so nobody's enticed to move their cursor on it.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on May 29, 2012, 03:38:35 PM
Understood! Thanks man! I'll be watching this next week Thursday night.

I'm the kind of guy who GETS scared so one last question (so I can go mentally prepared) - are there shock scare scenes or it's suspense/ thriller scare?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on May 29, 2012, 03:44:40 PM
Understood! Thanks man! I'll be watching this next week Thursday night.

I'm the kind of guy who GETS scared so one last question (so I can go mentally prepared) - are there shock scare scenes or it's suspense/ thriller scare?

That's all relative to the viewer, so I'm not sure how you view them. But, to answer as best as I can, yes. A lot of them, actually.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on May 29, 2012, 04:37:21 PM
Must ... avoid.... spoilers...

Can one of the admins ban me from this thread? Save me from myself.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on May 29, 2012, 05:14:22 PM
Must ... avoid.... spoilers...

Can one of the admins ban me from this thread? Save me from myself.

I know right. Must resist.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on May 29, 2012, 05:24:58 PM
Don't worry. I removed them.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on May 31, 2012, 11:57:59 AM
Fuck you Lindelof. Fuck. You.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on May 31, 2012, 12:27:10 PM
Have u actually seen the film yet NightCrawler?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 01, 2012, 06:41:24 AM
Btw, i did not hate it, far from it! Go see it! I was just venting because of one particular person in the making of this movie that made me feel he was responsible for the LOSTiness of the plot.

Ridley Scott still has it! It is arguably the best sci-fi movie since Blade Runner. It might start a new franchise. Just get that one person i mentioned out of such possibility.

The movie is opening strong in Europe, just behind The Avengers, and so far has good reviews, with 86% on rottentomatoes.

P.S- My man-crush, Fassbender, steals it.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 01, 2012, 07:00:51 AM
I liked it as a separate film property within the Alien Universe. I look forward to seeing what Prometheus 2 will one day look like and what it brings to the table. If we're lucky history will repeat itself and Cameron will direct the sequel.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Lukis on June 01, 2012, 08:52:38 AM
Going to see MiB III in an hour,then after that straight to Prometeus,hope it will live  up to expectations
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 01, 2012, 10:59:10 AM
I liked it as a separate film property within the Alien Universe. I look forward to seeing what Prometheus 2 will one day look like and what it brings to the table. If we're lucky history will repeat itself and Cameron will direct the sequel.

I don't think Cameron should direct anything anymore, especially not Prometheus 2.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 01, 2012, 11:04:11 AM
I don't think Cameron should direct anything anymore, especially not Prometheus 2.

You have a point there Frankencowx.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 01, 2012, 11:15:45 AM
Unless you want a giant 3D dick poking you in the eye for 3 hours.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on June 01, 2012, 02:08:14 PM
I liked it as a separate film property within the Alien Universe. I look forward to seeing what Prometheus 2 will one day look like and what it brings to the table. If we're lucky history will repeat itself and Cameron will direct the sequel.

As much as I loved Aliens, I don't want him touching this franchise. He's become a one-trick pony as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Truder on June 01, 2012, 05:14:03 PM
Hey Johnstantine, would you say it's worth seeing this movie in IMAX 3D?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 01, 2012, 05:37:46 PM
Btw, i did not hate it, far from it! Go see it! I was just venting because of one particular person in the making of this movie that made me feel he was responsible for the LOSTiness of the plot.

This ones for you NightCrawler

Anybody coming to the film in search of HR Giger’s sleek monsters is, however, destined to suffer severe disappointment. What we have, instead, is a meandering story featuring endless half-formed diversions and groan-worthy plot twists. The script is co-written by Damon Lindelof, co-creator of Lost, and Prometheus shares that show’s habit of asking really interesting questions and then delivering really uninteresting answers.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/theticket/2012/0601/1224317046686.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/theticket/2012/0601/1224317046686.html)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on June 01, 2012, 06:15:47 PM
Hey Johnstantine, would you say it's worth seeing this movie in IMAX 3D?

I enjoyed it. Unlike most people on this forum, I don't have high standards for visuals and whatnot. I came out of it enjoying what I saw, and that included the 3D. That part you see in the trailer when David opens up the star map was just awesome in 3D. I loved it.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 05, 2012, 01:17:05 AM
Paper trailer haha ... brilliant as usual - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIgNinx_G_U&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 05, 2012, 04:23:11 PM
I read a new interview with Lindelof and Spaihts today and it pretty much validated where I thought they where going with the last scene. http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/223
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 07, 2012, 02:05:59 PM
The major reviews are surfacing, Ebert gave it a 4/4
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on June 07, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
The major reviews are surfacing, Ebert gave it a 4/4

Oh yeah? (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080716/reviews/55996637) :guts:

Good sign anyway, though I've noticed Ebert has been pretty free with the 4 stars in his old age (Spider-Man 2, Iron Man, Avatar, and others I can't recall off the top of my head). Basically, if it's a big ambitious movie (bonus if it's set in Chicago =) these day it's getting a 4/4, and this is right up his alley. By comparison, he gave The Godfather Part II three stars back in the day. Harsh.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 07, 2012, 02:17:38 PM
Oh yeah? (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080716/reviews/55996637)

Man, i felt the same when i first saw it. It is still my 2nd favorite Batman movie.

Actually, thinking of it, i believe Prometheus and TDK suffer from the same flaws. Prometheus will be way more dividing among people, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on June 07, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Man, i felt the same when i first saw it. It is still my 2nd favorite Batman movie.

Same here.

Actually, thinking of it, i believe Prometheus and TDK suffer from the same flaws. Prometheus will be way more dividing among people, that's for sure.

I'm hoping to see it with my dad this weekend.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Scorpio on June 07, 2012, 05:36:32 PM
Saw it this morning. Admittedly, I have yet to see any Alien movies...  But I really liked Prometheus. I thought it was very impressive visually (and that was without IMAX or 3-D) which I felt was complimented greatly by the soundtrack, which was awesome. There were a few weak spots, but the only thing that stuck out to me as bad was the character of Charlie Holloway. Maybe I'm confusing the intentions for the character, but I just didn't like him, and I felt the acting for him wasn't very good. I'll hold on saying anything else for fear of spoiling something.

But yeah. For what it's worth I really enjoyed experiencing this movie.

Also, it's been on my watch list for an eternity but this movie definitely piqued my interest in Alien and Aliens. Though apparently I should stop there and ignore the two after?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 07, 2012, 05:57:35 PM
For what it's worth I really enjoyed experiencing this movie.

That's been the consensus among a lot of people who saw it last week myself included. I'm looking forward to what the adm have to say about the film after they see it.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on June 07, 2012, 06:07:30 PM
That's been the consensus among a lot of people who saw it last week myself included. I'm looking forward to what the adm have to say about the film after they see it.
I'll try to see it this weekend, but I have family coming in town. Might not get a chance.

If me and Griff have both seen it by the time we record on Sunday, then I'll try to get it on the podcast. Trouble is, Aaz hasn't seen it yet.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 07, 2012, 06:08:08 PM
Saw it this morning. Admittedly, I have yet to see any Alien movies... 

whaa.. that would be an interesting perspective walking into Prometheus indeed..

Also, it's been on my watch list for an eternity but this movie definitely piqued my interest in Alien and Aliens. Though apparently I should stop there and ignore the two after?

Just do yourself a favor and watch all of them, in order, immediately.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Rhombaad on June 07, 2012, 10:00:26 PM
I'm planning on seeing it this weekend. I've really been looking forward to it, so I hope I enjoy it, but if not...meh, no biggie.

Though apparently I should stop there and ignore the two after?

There are some on the board who recommend watching Alien3, but I can't bring myself to do the same. In the end, it's up to you, though. (Whether you decide to watch Alien3 or not, I still can't recommend watching Alien Resurrection).
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on June 08, 2012, 01:33:24 AM
Alien and Aliens are the only ones you need to watch. Alien 3 is decent, but, ya know, it still sucks compared to the other two.

As for me, I'll be seeing Prometheus again on Friday with my pops.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 08, 2012, 01:37:26 PM
Watched it last night. Got to the movies an hour n a half before the show and still got no center seats pppsshh. Mixed emotions for me. I like the use of 3D where it's not spears or bullets flying at you. Story board and characters - there is where the problem lies. Visually pretty good. Will post more later.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on June 08, 2012, 05:44:43 PM
I saw it last night as well in glorious imax 3d, which I highly recommend, because honestly that was the most redeeming part of the whole thing. I hate to admit how incredibly disappointed I am. The movie looks amazing, every frame was a visual feast, but jesus the script was so bad. Scenes felt rushed, pacing was weird, characters underdeveloped, too many ideas packed in for no reason. Just a mess. I don't even think much of it makes sense, even more so when trying to connect it to Alien.

On the plus Fassy was really good, of course, and as I said the visuals were great. Trust me on this and see it in 3d and even imax if you can. Its literally the most redeeming aspect, and it certainly won't detract from your experience.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 08, 2012, 06:39:37 PM
Over the past few weeks I've been reading interviews and spoilers, etc. and what I understand from it all is that this is sort of like a long trailer for the next one/ the sequel they're thinking of calling Paradise where all your questions may be answered. Then again, RC did say in an interview that the Space Jockey in Alien could be thousands of years old. The time difference between the events of Prometheus and Alien is about 80/90 years.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on June 09, 2012, 12:37:57 AM
Ok, since the world has seen the movie, I'll go ahead and post how I really felt about it.

Gripes:
First off, this movie had more dumbasses in it than AvP and AvP2 combined. Seriously, Scott, those two cronies weren't worth it. They were just throwaways, so I felt absolutely nothing for them. Their screen time could have been more appropriated towards a second gripe of mine: Idris Elba. His character, Janek, was sort of hard to understand. I couldn't tell if he didn't just like the two dumbasses, or what. I was pretty confused about where is loyalties lied (until the end, of course). I really liked the character and wanted more of him.


Cons:
-The 3D was "ok" at best. After seeing so many movies actually converted to 3D, it was hard to tell the difference. Avatar still looks a hell of a lot better, and it's getting close to three years old.
-Not enough about the Engineers. I was expecting a lot more. I was unaware that they were trying to go for a trilogy with the franchise, so it was sort of a let down when I actually heard that news.
-Charlize Theron was a horrible character. Referring early to the two dumbasses, I'd have to say she takes the cake when she didn't just walk to the side and get crushed by the fucking ship. It was definitely my biggest groan-moment of the movie (thankfully, there were few).


Pros:
-From what we DID see of the engineers and their race, I really enjoyed. The opening scene itself looked fucking beautiful. I thought it was super cool.
-Idris Elba. He did a fantastic fucking job with his character. In fact, I thought him and his crew were the only ones who did a decent job of acting except for...
-Micheal Fassbender. He's one of my favorite actors, and he really shines in this movie (not quite as much as he did in Inglourious Basterds, though). I really felt for him because he didn't know any better, although I would dare to say he was much more evil than good until the very end. I thought it was a nice throwback to what he and Shaw had talked about: being free after Weyland was dead. He sort of became a good guy (if there even were any), so that was nice. Kind of like an Ash/Bishop mix, I guess.
-The cinematography looked great.


Mixed feelings:
-The big one is why was the engineer such a douche? And what the fuck did David even say to him? I wanted the answer, but I didn't receive it. It's probably the only part of the movie that actually pissed me off. I mean, it was cool seeing the dude, but I wanted something a little more than what we got.
-For some reason, I didn't see so many characters at the beginning of the movie. But then, just like in Lost, more just sprout up. I wasn't sure if they were in cryo along with Weyland or not. Really confusing, but not enough of a big deal to detract from the overall story. It's not like they really mattered.
-The religious connotations were pretty flat. This movie didn't really do a good job of getting to the point of its own philosophy; from what I gathered, the idea was that "yes, life came from elsewhere, but it doesn't matter as long as you believe in what you believe. I guess it's more of a personal take on life itself, and not trying to answer THE ultimate question that so many movies set out to do. There's a lot of religious subtext in the movie, but no definitive idea of what they were going for--which sucks.


My idea of why the Engineers were going back to earth?

This was the big one for me. It never touches on WHY they wanted to go back, and that's what really pissed me off. I'm not sure if it's because humankind was starting to prosper, and they didn't like it, or what. It's very vague and confusing, and just led me to feeling the need to throw someone out of a window. I know all of the canisters in the cargo room contained that black matter. Lindelof definitely did his research on the Jockeys. In the comics, the Jockeys (Engineers) actually created the Xenomorph, and would launch eggs down to the planets of their enemies. After they hatched, well, you get where it's going.

So, I guess those canisters were kind of like the eggs? I guess? I really don't fucking know because there are no fucking answers in the movie.


In the end, I really did enjoy the movie. The strong points had me by the balls, while the weaker ones made me groan. I wouldn't, by ANY means, call this Scott's return to Sci-fi. It doesn't have the same feel that Alien and Blade Runner had. You can tell he's seasoned and stuck with the same style he's been directing in for the past decade or so.

... The moment David lifts the Urn from The Ampule Chamber aboard The Prometheus is the instant the Urns in the Ampule Chamber / Lab begin to break down a sort of security measure I guess.

When their in the chamber, Shaw says something about the atmosphere changing. Once that happens, you see the black liquid start coming out of a few of them. It's brief, but it's there.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on June 09, 2012, 12:44:56 AM
Yea that's all well and good but the thing that ruined most of that was how fucking stupid everyone was. For example, as soon as they begin examining the engineers head they decide to shoot electricity through it to the point where it explodes? I just didn't buy that these "scientists" immediately jumped to trying to animate the head so quickly. Like slow the fuck down guys, seriously. And that goes for just about every single character in almost every single scene. Taking off their helmets just because there was oxygen? Then they bitch about being contaminated later and make it a big deal? Then you got the two clowns toying around with the proto-facehugger. And lets not forget Shaws boyfriend who after one expedition on the first day into the alien base is so pissed off and let down that he gets drunk and whines like a bitch. This is the dude who spent his entire life looking at cave paintings? and he acts like that after one trip? These have got be some of the worst, most incredibly stupid and unbelievable characters I've ever witnessed being passed off as top of the line scientists. Also Charlize Theron's character ended up being completely pointless.

Fuck the writing was terrible.  

Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on June 09, 2012, 01:55:27 AM
Yea that's all well and good but the thing that ruined most of that was how fucking stupid everyone was. For example, as soon as they begin examining the engineers head they decide to shoot electricity through it to the point where it explodes? I just didn't buy that these "scientists" immediately jumped to trying to animate the head so quickly. Like slow the fuck down guys, seriously. And that goes for just about every single character in almost every single scene. Taking off their helmets just because there was oxygen? Then they bitch about being contaminated later and make it a big deal? Then you got the two clowns toying around with the proto-facehugger. And lets not forget Shaws boyfriend who after one expedition on the first day into the alien base is so pissed off and let down that he gets drunk and whines like a bitch. This is the dude who spent his entire life looking at cave paintings? and he acts like that after one trip? These have got be some of the worst, most incredibly stupid and unbelievable characters I've ever witnessed being passed off as top of the line scientists. Also Charlize Theron's character ended up being completely pointless.

Fuck the writing was terrible.  

Yeah, I don't even know what the fuck Shaw's profession was. Wasn't she a geologist or something? And Charlize Theron's character seriously was worthless. SO fucking stupid. OH LAWD THA SHIPSA FALLIN MASSA! IMMA NOT BE MOVIN FROM THIS'ERE STRAIGHT LINE!"
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: zrexe on June 09, 2012, 02:56:39 AM
Yeah, I don't even know what the fuck Shaw's profession was. Wasn't she a geologist or something? And Charlize Theron's character seriously was worthless. SO fucking stupid. OH LAWD THA SHIPSA FALLIN MASSA! IMMA NOT BE MOVIN FROM THIS'ERE STRAIGHT LINE!"


Hahaha! Maybe that's why her dad didn't want her to take over Weyland Corp! :ganishka:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Scorpio on June 09, 2012, 03:02:37 AM
It is interesting how almost every character has a deeper underlying theme, except the movie tries to bake the cake without finishing the batter. You already mentioned the, erm, interesting stance on religion the movie takes. Or rather, the almost complete lack of it besides, "hey, this is important maybe!"  But I'm pretty sure the point for Theron's character was as a comparison between humanity and David, and how their father, the selfish representation of humanity?, looked at each of them. There were some throwaway moments that I thought were supposed to be a lot deeper than they were, where she complained about being cast aside as well as the numerous instances where she seemed to loathe David.

I would be really curious to see a version where these ideas were actually fleshed out, because unless I'm grasping at straws it could have been really fascinating. Instead it's just an enjoyable movie albeit with some stale and annoying characters.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on June 09, 2012, 03:32:04 AM
I feel like there needs to be a directors cut, which I know obviously can't fix how fucking stupid some of the scenes are but it could at least help with some of the pacing issues. I think it would need to be on the scale of the Kingdom of Heaven though, with a whole hour of additional or extended scenes that flesh out ... everything after the first half hour, which is where I thought things started to get really crazy. For example, I really, really loved the earlier scenes where David is walking around the ship alone while everyone was asleep. I even thought to myself "this is exactly how I want this movie to be", (loved the 2001 reference). But as soon as the action got going with the two guys poking at the cobra-alien scenes just began to switch way too fast. It really felt like scenes were shortened or missing altogether. One minute the ships captain is burning the zombie crew member in the deployment area and next he's apparently in Shaw's room as she's suiting up and telling her all this stuff about how they need to leave because the whole engineer base is a giant weapon site? And just how many people were on the Prometheus anyway? You see the group in the briefing room earlier but later you see more and more random people popping up or getting killed. That was a big no no for me. In a movie like this you need to know about how many people are around to you know, create tension. I swear there were at least two nameless guys that came out of nowhere and were killed by the zombie dude. I wasn't even sure if there were more people on the Prometheus before the suicide crash at the end.

Man, I'm sure there are some things that I just didn't pick up on that can be explained but I still feel like I could just ramble on all day about things that this movie just didn't do quite right. It's not exactly bad, just unfulfilling and confusing in areas that it shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on June 09, 2012, 03:39:08 AM
Saw it...

...



 :mozgus:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on June 09, 2012, 04:06:02 AM
I think the best thing that defines my thoughts is the "less is more" approach. Alien did this perfectly. Prometheus is the complete opposite. Way too many ideas jam packed in with too little time.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 09, 2012, 07:09:43 AM
Interesting analysis on the actions of the Engineers towards Earth

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200177706?p=1
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 09, 2012, 09:38:15 AM
Prometheus Summary

The Dawn of Man

In the opening scene of prometheus, you see an engineer consuming a vial of biomatter fluid from a cup which begins to immediately desiccate his body. As he is dying his body goes over the waterfall into the waters below and his altered DNA strand is released which eventually gives rise to the human race.

A Map to the Stars

The story then flashes forward to the year 2089 to the isle of Scotland, where 2 archaeologists, Shaw and Holloway discover a new cartouche with a similar drawing design featuring a tall slender figure pointing toward 5 star points. These star points are in fact an astrological map to the star system where they believe their creators dwell.

Riders on the Storm

The story then jumps forward to 2093 with a science mission well under way to the planet from which humanity believes its creators originate. The first crew member of the Prometheus we meet is the android David. David has spent the last 2 1/2 years monitoring the ships systems and has taken an apparent fascination with peeking into Shaws dreams for the last 2 years while they were in hypersleep. After viewing Shaws dreams, David is seen studying various language videos showcasing a fascination with Lawrence of Arabia, to the point that he actually changes his hair tone to match the hair tone to the character of Lawrence. While this is somewhat amusing, it ties in to the overall structure of creation and identity as it relates to David. Once the Prometheus finally reaches its destination LV-223, David proceeds to the hypersleep room to awake the crew when he hears grunting sounds coming from the life boat room of Meridith Vikers. Upon entering, he discovers Vickers has awakened. Vickers sees  David enter her room and asks him if there have been any fatalities of the crew in hypersleep. After nodding no, David wakes up the crew.

Once the crew has had time to awaken from hypersleep, Vikers instructs Captain Janek that the mission briefing is going to be held in the gymn once everyone has been seated she loads a pre-recorded message by the head of the Weyland Corp who financed this mission. In the video, an aged Peter Weyland appears and tells them that for as long as man has existed we have asked the same questions "Where do we come from, What Happens after Death, What is our purpose". Weyland continues by saying that among you are 2 who believe as I do to finding the answers to those questions and asks that they step forward and reveal to the rest why they are here.

Holloway loads up a holographic slide showcasing different cartouche drawings but the single connecting factor was the star points that when loaded against star charts plots a destination to the only inhabitable planetary sphere in the system of space they are in. Shaw interjects by saying that the beings that left this map behind on Earth are Engineers. Fifield a Geologist by profession asks what is it that they engineered Shaw replies by stating "They Engineered Us" Milbern a Scientist points out that what you're suggesting would invalidate the whole concept of Darwinism. Once the briefing concludes Janek orders the descent into the planets atmosphere after doing a complete pass of the surface Holloway notices a man made runway and four dome like structures and asks the captain to park the ship there. The away team leaves for the domed structure.

Prometheus Unbound

Holloway, Shaw, David, Ford, Fifield, and Milbern enter the Bio-facility Fifield activates several bio-scanners that serve as 3D layouts of the structure they are in. David activates a security cam that loads footage from 2000 years ago showing Engineers running from something. The team follows the footage to a sealed door that David unlocks revealing a chamber with 1000's of Urns and a big giant humanoid face in the center. Shaw takes notice of the Mural's on the wall the 1st showcases a giant with a hole in his side and something fused to his hand the 2nd is of a Xenomorph outstretched with a face hugger behind it. Shaw and Ford bag the Engineer head and David lifts an Urn from the room after Shaw notices that the Mural's and statue are being degraded because of the oxygen that was reintroduced to the room not only that but its effected all of the urns causing them to leak Bio-matter throughout the room and anything living in that chamber is up for an upgrade. But before the horror begins the crew must race back to the ship before being stuck at the facility due to a magnetic storm. Everyone returns to the ship except for Fifield and Milbern. Mean while in the lab DNA result confirm Shaw and Holloway's theory these Engineers are in fact humanities creator.

In another lab David is taking apart the Urn and studying it much like a child inspects a new toy. He places a dot of the bio-matter on his finger and leaves to run an experiment. In the wreck room Holloway is in a drunken stupor about how he came all this way to get answers from Dead Gods and that he expected more. David asks Holloway why man created machine and Holloway responds because we could David retorts by saying imagine yourself asking your creator the same question and imagine how disappointing it would be. Unit 8 then mix's the bio-matter with the liquor he poured into a glass and hands it to Holloway and smiles as the drink is consumed.

Holloway enters his and Shaw's quarters the 2 make out Holloway unknowingly infects Shaw knocking her up with his viral semen leaving her with anything but a bundle of joy on the way. Meanwhile back on Prometheus scans pick up a life sign in the facility. Fifield and Milbern are goofing around in Ampule chamber when Milbern sees a snake like creature emerge from the bio-matter in the room. Milbern being the genius that he is clearly forgot the warning sign by the snake that read : Don't pet the alien life forms sometimes they pet back. A lesson learned the hard way as it ends up costing Milbern and Fifield their lives.

The next day a team is sent to retrieve Milbern and Fifield well they find Milbern with a creature in his mouth that enjoys playing surprise before swimming off Fifield is MIA and Holloway's body starts to dissolve like the Engineer at the start of the film. Shaw orders that quarantine measures be implemented immediately for everyone that entered the structure. Vickers races towards the deck and grabs a flamethrower not knowing what she's about to deal with. Upon seeing how much of Holloway's body is ravaged by whatever he was exposed to Vickers immolates him much to the hysterical pleas made by Shaw. When Shaw comes to she is undergoing a scan that reveals she is 3 months pregnant a fact that she disputes after all how could she be pregnant she's infertile but as David confirms she is quite quite pregnant with something non-human. David injects her with a sedative so that Ford and her assistant can reinsert her back in cryo sleep for the journey home.

When Shaw comes to she cold cocks both Ford and her assistant and runs towards Vickers lifeboat room where she saw the Med-pod. Shaw recalibrate the pod for the surgery needed slides herself onto the table the pod closes and begins scanning her abdomen and notices the life form. The Pod emits a laser across her lower stomach and prongs pull back her stomach as a robotic hand enters her body and removes the life form just as its gestation sach pops all over her. The Med-Pod then staples her shut but now Shaw is stuck with the creature she birthed wiggling over her as she slides out of the machine and exits the room but not before implementing decontamination protocol and locking the room down. Covered in blood Shaw staggers down the corridor's of Prometheus and collapses in med bay in front of David and a very much alive Peter Weyland.

Wrath of the Gods

David coldly quips to Shaw about her survival instincts and that he never thought "she had it in her" to do what was necessary to live. Weyland berates her because she wants to go home as nothing was as they thought but that request is short lived as David says that he will take his creator to meet the sole living Enginner on this moon. In her quarters Shaw is suiting up when Janek enters asking what she is doing Shaw responds by saying she is going back into the facility. Janek asks why as he now understands what happened here this is a research facility that was abandoned after the bio-matter from the Urns leaked he continues on by saying that non of what's on this world can come back with them.

David leads Peter Weyland a security officer and Shaw back into the Derelict. On the way to were the sleeping Engineer is being preserved they pass through a storage unit with hundreds of Urns. After reaching their destination David revives the Engineer and awaits instruction as to what to say to his creator's creator as he awakes. The Engineer looks at the humans in his presence and takes note of the synthetic being looking at him. As Weyland is about to speak Shaw in agony asks "Why did you make us, Why did you change your mind and seek to destroy us , Where are you from". Weyland annoyed by Shaw has his guard strike her. The founder of Weyland Industries turns his attention back to David who inquires about the secret of Immortality the Engineer realizing that David is an affront to his faith tares David's head off and beats Weyland to death with it then kills Ford and the guard.

Having just reached the surface Shaw pleads with Janek that he must stop the Engineer's ship from leaving for Earth. Janek tells Shaw that the Prometheus is not a warship but he says he will do what has to be done Janek orders Vickers off the ship as he plots an intercept course with the other ship with the intent of crippling it at the cost of himself and his two pilots. The Prometheus explodes into a wave of white flame sending The Derelict crashing to the surface below Shaw narrowly avoids being killed Vickers was not so lucky.Shaw makes it to the lifeboat and closes the hatch just as her oxygen runs out. Inside Shaw receives a message from David that The Engineer is heading in her direction Shaw takes the time she has and grabs an  ax waiting for her God to come to her. Shaw approaches the door leading into Med-pod room and would have opened up the door had she not seen that tentacle pound against the door. A loud tearing  sound is heard as the Engineer makes his way towards Shaw throwing her against the wall next to the control panel to where a fully grown version of the creature Shaw birthed waits to appear. The creature ensares the Engineer and narrowly misses grabbing Shaw. Shaw is too busy escaping the life boat to see how the tug of war match ends and makes her way towards the Derelict.

Inside the Derelict Shaw asks David for her necklace back he says its in his pocket. Shaw asks if there are any other ships that could be used to leave this moon. David says yes one that could surely take us home however Shaw has other plans. Shaw tells David that we came to find our creators and we did now I want to find their world to ask them why they changed their minds about our species. We see a Derelict rise and FTL in the sky sending it and its crew to parts unknown. Meanwhile back in the life boat a seed of life takes shape and emerges from the dead Engineer while not like the breed of Xenomorph seen years later it is of the same Genus.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 09, 2012, 12:23:31 PM
The movie was alright, the trailer was better :judo: It did leave a lot to be desired for me. I agree with all of Johnstantine and Oburi's concerns:

Liked:
-The first half of the movie, really good setup
-decent score
-Fassbender's character and performance
-The movie is impressive from a technical standpoint

Hated:
-Too many really stupid character motivations did not suspend my belief, completely took me out of the movie
-Once the gribblies showed up it felt like Scott was just going through the motions with them, hamfisting them in there, crossing off the monsters checklist.
-Weyland subplot was useless, didn't go anywhere, like much of the movie
-Shaw running like a track star after her C-section.
-Nothing is explained, what was with the hari-kiri in the beginning someone?
-The last 20 seconds felt tacked on, like a pseudo apology for having no real answers to anything

fuck fuck fuck

Maybe in 20 years this will become a cult classic??
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 09, 2012, 01:06:04 PM
The movie was alright, the trailer was better :judo: It did leave a lot to be desired for me. I agree with all of Johnstantine and Oburi's concerns:

Hated:

-Too many really stupid character motivations did not suspend my belief, completely took me out of the movie
-Once the gribblies showed up it felt like Scott was just going through the motions with them, hamfisting them in there, crossing off the monsters checklist.
-Weyland subplot was useless, didn't go anywhere, like much of the movie
-Shaw running like a track star after her C-section.
-Nothing is explained, what was with the hari-kiri in the beginning someone?
-The last 20 seconds felt tacked on, like a pseudo apology for having no real answers to anything


To answer your Q's

1.Outside of Merideth Vickers Weyland , Peter Weyland, Janek , David , Holloway , and Shaw everyone else was cannon fodder
2.Shaw was running her ass off because she didn't want to become a pancake under the Derelict ship ; and they showed that
she could move a couple feet before she started reeling from the pain of the C-section

3.The beginning of the film with the Engineer is the Genesis of Man
- The Ambiguity surrounding the Lab accident in the Ampule chamber 2000 years ago revolved around an Engineer being
accidentally exposed to a new DNA matrix causing a new life to gestate and birth through him. I wager it to be a Xenomorph and
a Queen to boot. Anyone remember the carbon dating for the Derelict in Alien I believe it was in or around 2000 years which
means that the dead Engineer in Alien was killed by a Queen while flying.

4.The end has Shaw flying off on another Derelict ship leaving only one left on LV-223 that still functions.
5.The Urns are Bio-Matrix's think of them as mini Genesis Devices from The Wrath of Khan they replace life in favor of their new
Matrix or they mutate existing life into something else.

6.As to what the Engineers are in the final analysis I like to think of them as Gardeners they plant the seeds of life on worlds
that they bio-engineered then move onto another planet.

7.The Face hugger you see in the film birthed from shaw is in the same Genus as the Face hugger from Alien and Aliens. Much
in the same way as the critter born from the Engineer is in the same Genus as the Xenomorph.

8.Old man Peter Weyland pulled a fatal imitation of Roy Batty towards the Engineer "I want more life father" with a gun aimed at the
guy who just woke of from a 2000 year old nap.

Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 09, 2012, 05:20:19 PM
According to Ridley Scott, the beginning doesn't necessarily happens in Earth.
Also, the Engineer is alone while the ship is leaving, is he doing some rogue DNA planting, a nod to the Prometheus myth, or is it a part of the Engineer-people agenda? Are they primarily destroyers, or creators? I think that post that i linked from imdb in the previous page is pretty interesting.


I agree pretty much with this review:

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I read a piece on David Fincher recently where he described a distinction between “films” and “movies.” He says The Game is a movie, Fight Club is a film. “A movie is made for an audience and a film is made for an audience and the filmmakers,” he explained. The way I extrapolate that statement is that I imagine a film as something that asks and attempts to answer the big questions, whereas a movie just sort of references them to use as playthings. You could say it’s the difference between art and entertainment, but let’s not, because I’d rather piss hot thumb tacks than get hung up arguing the semantics of “art.” Point being, what I found most compelling about Prometheus was they way it keeps you wondering whether you’re watching a “movie” or a “film,” schlock or philosophy.
(...)
The central question of the plot is, if you could meet “God,” what would you ask him, and how do you think he’d feel about you? There are some fits and starts and false leads, but that’s Prometheus in a nutshell. It’s a pretty deep question for a summer popcorn movie, and the answers get pretty goddamned nihilistic at times. What if God created you on a whim and got tired of you right away? Whether genuinely asking or just using the question as a plaything, it makes Prometheus more than just a “yikes! Aliens!” movie. I appreciate the boldness of it, even if the execution’s sloppy.
(...)
But even when it’s dumb, Prometheus is thoroughly watchable. It’s been a long time since I saw a movie where the composition was great without drawing attention to itself, so that you’re always thinking about the story, and never wondering why the asshole cameraman can’t do his job. The visual effects make the aliens feel gnarly in a way that will make you squirm, and the direction gimmick-free. (A pleasant surprise from Ridley Scott, since even Gladiator was kind of gimmicky). By the end, I was pretty sure I was watching a movie, not a film, but the fact that I still cared makes me think it was a pretty decent one.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on June 09, 2012, 08:06:32 PM
Yeah, that interview pretty much sums up how I felt about it. Movie over film, definitely.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on June 09, 2012, 09:06:59 PM
Not a great sign for Prometheus that people are redefining their definition of good in order to like it. =)

"Oh, it's not in the traditional sense, BUT..." :ganishka:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 09, 2012, 09:19:04 PM
Not a great sign for Prometheus that people are redefining their definition of good in order to like it. =)

"Oh, it's not in the traditional sense, BUT..." :ganishka:

I had some issues with the film but nothing that could be called a deal breaker. I await the eventual Podcast Film Review.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 09, 2012, 11:38:58 PM
I think Prometheus will go down as a visually stunning, thematically bold, flawed and sometimes frustrating movie. But fuck, i enjoyed the hell out of it (saw it twice so far).
A 2h30m cut would do wonders to it, but we don't really get big r-rated sci-fi blockbusters, do we?

I can't remember a similar movie experience during a blockbuster as great as this one provided.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Draculoid on June 10, 2012, 02:35:02 PM
Just saw it in IMAX last night and plan on seeing it again today and on Tuesday. Can definitely see where some peoples gripes with the films come from but I thoroughly enjoyed it. I don't know how much Lindeloff helped with things but I felt his presence strongly.

 Visually spectacular and very dark and in your face. So far with The Avengers and Prometheus I've got to say I'm very happy with some of the films released so far this summer !
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 10, 2012, 03:35:57 PM
... The more I think about it the more I realize how much the Ampule Chamber in the 1st Facility is a take from At The Mountains of Madness. Think about the black bio-matter compound looks as if it was harvested from a Xeno. Which leads me to believe that a Xenomorph was being held experimented on to further the Engineer's bioengineering Project's. The bio-matter is designed as self replicating viral bacteria that creates destroys and mutates other organisms. That's right while the human race shares a commonality in DNA structure to the Engineer its only because the Xeno bacteria introduced to it altered it to a state that in time would lead to us rising as the dominant species on Earth.

And as much as the film was about science it was about religion. The Engineer awoken in the 3rd act of the film killed the people it did because it saw David as an affront to its faith. The Human Race had violated its basic belief in Death and Rebirth by creating an artificial being that could never birth a new life form but wouldn't die either it would just be'.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on June 10, 2012, 04:26:24 PM

And as much as the film was about science it was about religion. The Engineer awoken in the 3rd act of the film killed the people it did because it saw David as an affront to its faith. The Human Race had violated its basic belief in Death and Rebirth by creating an artificial being that could never birth a new life form but wouldn't die either it would just be'.


I doubt that.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: asic on June 10, 2012, 06:29:43 PM
I knew it could never live up to the expectations and I was prepared for it but oh my, I never thought it would be this bad. I don't even know where to begin. Almost every scene with the characters had obvious "flaws", there is so much stupidity in these characters that it completely destroyed my suspension of disbelief. I am so sad that I can't even put this into words without it sounding like a bashing. Pretty cinematography does not make up for the horrible script. I wouldn't even recommend people paying to see it.

I found the religious tones in the movie to be very forced in, I think it was obvious it was only put in to satisfy religious people so they don't feel left out or something. This was hardly my biggest concern with the movie but it only made the dialogue that much worse.

I would like to break this movie down scene from scene but right now I am so disappointed to even write it all down. Skullknight.net needs a ventrilo server :P
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 10, 2012, 07:56:26 PM
Seriously, is the movie that awful? Let's just go back to Avatar and Star Trek then.

I can see the stupidity of the cannon-fodder characters, but who cares about those? Do they ruin the movie?
Lets talk about stupid characters in Alien: Dallas going alone to the vents, Lambert standing there crying while Parker gets killed? Why don't we care about this? Because the atmosphere sucks you in.

Yes, Prometheus has problems. The last act is a mess (and the final scene totally unnecessary and reeks of studio input), but everything leading up to there is great.

A bad movie? Fuck no.

The one BIG recurring theme throughout the film seems to be parenthood and disappointment (creation and destruction).
Vickers is basically disowned by her father who looks to David as his son. David, in turn, has developed his own opinions regarding mankind and those extend to his surrogate father.
There are numerous conversations and looks throughout the length of Prometheus reinforcing this point, culminating in David's not so subtle "doesn't everyone want to see their parent's dead".
Obviously on a larger scale this applies to the Engineers and us.
It's a shame that the final act basically throws all of this out in favour of a rushed monster movie-hybrid (oh wait, wasn't Alien just like that as well?)
The film has plenty going for it. What it probably needs is the 21 minutes of apparently cut footage. Assuming those serve to generate more dialogue and character moment, the film will feel more coherent.
If we saw slightly more of Weyland (despite the shit old man makeup - which don't make much sense if we don't get to see young Weyland) and Vickers, his introduction may actually serve a purpose. Along with tightening up the narrative in the final 30 minutes this would actually go a long way.
Also, as far as I'm concerned the goo causes mutation on exposure and decomposition on ingestion.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Oburi on June 10, 2012, 09:15:44 PM
Well I would certainly be down for a directors cut. One of the few movies that I really hope gets one because it has that potential to be so much more than it is.

Btw I agree that by not seeing a young Weyland having Guy Pierce in old man makeup is kinda pointless. With that said though I loved his performance, brief as it was. Guy didn't get enough credit, great actor.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 10, 2012, 10:38:47 PM
I agree with the argument as it relates to the 3rd act of the film. The 1st 2 acts were beautifully paced then Act 3 warps to the finale. I think and most would agree that an extra 10 - 25 minutes of new footage* would balance act 3 better plus inserting whatever scenes that were edited out.

Beyond the pacing issue of the last part of the film I loved the issues of creation ,  destruction , Identity , and Religion. I also liked the whole nightmarish evolution of animals on LV-223 into something Alien.

Here's something I found that reiterates somethings I've said about the film.

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Prometheus Unbound: What The Movie Was Actually About
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http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Gobolatula on June 10, 2012, 11:52:41 PM
Saw the movie. I really liked it. I'm gonna have to watch the Alien movies now.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Triple Life on June 11, 2012, 03:44:47 AM
I read the analysis that was linked on IMDB and, while I disagree with a lot of it, his point on Weyland made me think. Fitting in with the whole god/creator motif, imagine if you woke up God and asked him to make you immortal? Would God be angry that he gave you a gift and you greedily asked for more? I think they were trying to show the different reasons why one would want to talk to his creator. Shaw and Holloway wanted to know why they were created. Vickers wanted to know why she was forsaken by her father. David wanted to be free from his creator. Weyland wanted to be God. Of course, having an interesting philosophy doesn't completely make up for its short comings, but overall, it was an interesting movie, if not quite what I expected. I liked it.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Rhombaad on June 11, 2012, 04:15:38 AM
While the in depth analysis posted by NightCrawler and hellrasinbrasin helps make some sense out of the convoluted plot lines in Prometheus, I still didn't care for it all that much. I'm actually quite jealous of those who enjoyed it, because I really wanted to like it.

If they do indeed make a followup, I'd like to check it out to see if it answers some of the bigger questions posed by the first film. Although, I'm a bit apprehensive, based on what Lindelof said about the potential sequel moving even further away from the Alien franchise.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Skeleton on June 11, 2012, 04:39:38 AM
So now that we've had some time to really soak in Prometheus it's time to ask the most important question.  We know that Guillermo del Toro was going to make a film version of Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness.  According to del Toro, the project was cancelled because of Prometheus.  So now that we have seen Prometheus, which would you have prefered?  Would you still want Prometheus or would you want to roll the dice and see if del Toro's At the Mountains of Madness ended up better?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 11, 2012, 11:08:05 AM

If they do indeed make a followup, I'd like to check it out to see if it answers some of the bigger questions posed by the first film. Although, I'm a bit apprehensive, based on what Lindelof said about the potential sequel moving even further away from the Alien franchise.

I think that the further Prometheus 2 and 3 distance themselves from Alien and Aliens the more creative freedom they will have.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 11, 2012, 11:56:18 AM
Everyone whose seen the movie should check out the gifs and memes in this thread.. some pretty funny stuff in there:

http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/594/prometheus-memes/p54 (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/594/prometheus-memes/p54)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 11, 2012, 12:01:35 PM
An Additional 20 Minutes of footage has been confirmed for DVD release.

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7723

http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheus-deleted-scenes-interview/172202/



Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 11, 2012, 01:59:46 PM
4.The end has Shaw flying off on another Derelict ship leaving only one left on LV-223 that still functions.

How do you know just 1 is left that functions? David said at the end that there were many ships. At no point in the movie are we given to believe there's only 1 functional ship left on LV-223.

So now that we've had some time to really soak in Prometheus it's time to ask the most important question.  We know that Guillermo del Toro was going to make a film version of Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness.  According to del Toro, the project was cancelled because of Prometheus.  So now that we have seen Prometheus, which would you have prefered?  Would you still want Prometheus or would you want to roll the dice and see if del Toro's At the Mountains of Madness ended up better?
Tough call because to me Del Toro isn't a consistent director himself. The only movies I enjoy off his rooster are Cronos, Pan's Labyrinth and The Devil's Backbone. It's been a while since I watched his Hellboy movies but I remember thinking of them to be over-rated. Del Toro wanted an R rated ITMOM and even with Tom Cruise to star, he couldn't get the project to get off it's ground. So if it was going to be a version like a Hellboy movie, I know I'd be disappointed.

I'm looking forward to watching it again with/ without my gripes about it. The DVD/ BR will have 20/30 minutes worth of cut material which RC doesn't how much of will basically make it to the extended cut anyway. I'm glad it pulled in 50 million in it's opening weekend and the reviews have been mixed but on the higher side. If there's a sequel I'll watch it.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 11, 2012, 02:06:54 PM
How do you know just 1 is left that functions? David said at the end that there were many ships. At no point in the movie are we given to believe there's only 1 functional ship left on LV-223.


Facility #1 Derelict ship that is grounded after The Prometheus made a suicide run at it
Facility #? Derelict ship that crashed at LV-426
Facility #? Derelict Ship that Shaw commandeered when she blasts off of LV-223 in search of the Engineer's Homeworld
Facility #? Derelict Ship still in cargo bay?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 11, 2012, 02:42:12 PM

Facility #1 Derelict ship that is grounded after The Prometheus made a suicide run at it
Facility #? Derelict ship that crashed at LV-426
Facility #? Derelict Ship that Shaw commandeered when she blasts off of LV-223 in search of the Engineer's Homeworld
Facility #? Derelict Ship still in cargo bay?

The Derelict did not crash on LV-426 - RC said in an interview that if you looked at it close it appears to be 'parked' there. It may/ may not be a Derelict from LV-223.

Don't go by the number of temples you see in the opening shot as the Prometheus approaches the ground because David said there were many ships. With a small number left like 2/3, he would have said there were 2/3 ships left, IMO just like the cargo payload in the sleeping Engineer's Derelict was quantified as 'thousands' by Shaw with no specific number.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on June 11, 2012, 10:15:32 PM
Just finished watching it. Spoilers and impressions, ahoy.

So, that was a movie for morons, right? People that don't understand subtlety? It goes out of its way to bluntly state its themes and character motivations throughout, all of which are terrifyingly obvious well  before the actors are forced to move their big dumb lips by strings pulled by a large-fisted Ridley Scott, whose desperate shadow looms over the movie throughout. Many scenes come across as insultingly stupid. The camera and cinematography even think we're idiots. And then after treating us like idiots, has to reiterate shit, and then treat us to a dramatic reveal.

My biggest trouble with this movie was expectations. And I don't mean to say that I was excited for it. I went in cold. What I mean is that they truly cannot divorce themselves from what it is: a prequel to the Aliens franchise. And on that note I found it quite stale. It bumbles around in a childlike imitation of its parents, the function of all of which was ... what exactly? The connection of this movie to the Alien franchise became akin to an annoying song playing in the background throughout, always there nagging at me, making it impossible for me to truly enjoy it for what it was. And all I remember of that tune is the chorus, which goes something like this: "Me tooooo!"

The first time anyone who has seen Alien/s sees the navigation room on board the 'engineers' ship, it's quite clear to any fucking idiot what it is. But no, we need to have some convenient holograms teach us what it is (that's some truly advanced exposition technology), and then for there to be a massive reveal to make sure every idiot in the theater realizes that this is THE SAME KIND as the one in Alien. Whoa! Who saw that coming?!

There are dozens of examples of the soft touch employed by Scott to convey key plot and character elements. Here are a few that stuck out to me as almost laughable:

Charlize Theron spelling out "father" to us. Gee, yeah, didn't pick up on that one.

The dramatic, bassy sound effect and close-up shot when David dips his finger in Holloway's drink. What?! Wh-what'd he do?!

Stringer Bell spelling it out for us in a very poorly placed scene that this was a biological weapons depot approximately 20 minutes after it was already strikingly obvious. Oh, snap!

"Hey robot guy. Fuck you. You're just a dumb robot made by humans." -- "Oh? Well what if aliens made you and you're a dumb robot too? Just with flesh?" -- "I never thought of it like that..!" UNTAPPED SCIFI POTENTIAL!

The final scene of the xenomorph chewing its way out of the engineer. Xenomorphs?! Here?! (I had a great audience by the way! after this scene, the guy next to me whispered to his girlfriend: "It's an Alien from Aliens vs. Predator." On the walk out, guys behind me: "So that was a prequel to Aliens vs Predator? Whoa!")

Need I even go into the absurdity of the 5 minute c-section after which she's able to run around the ship? Oh, right, that's covered by the fact that it's a super-expensive laboratory pod.

*Sigh* ... So, final impressions. Was it terrible? No, not really. Would have been a pretty standard movie if it were a standalone scifi. But it's not. It is inevitably going to be compared and contrasted with the quality of the rest of the franchise. So then, was it embarrassing, and a letdown for any Alien fans expecting something significant enough to warrant a return to the franchise? Yes.

Oh yeah, and spoiling the climax of the film in your movie poster? Nice fucking job.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 11, 2012, 10:30:26 PM
...While I respect people's opinion I also can disagree. And within the endless cycle of agreement and disagreement I can say Prometheus while not a great film it was a good film and it might just end up becoming a cult classic.

Now the only 2 that haven't handed in their opinion's are Griffith, and Aaz.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on June 11, 2012, 10:42:07 PM
...While I respect people's opinion I also can disagree.
I have no intention of arguing about this movie. I don't care enough. I've said my piece.

I can say Prometheus while not a great film it was a good film and it might just end up becoming a cult classic.
Reach for the stars! Why would this movie be remembered? It's utterly derivative. Alien was a cult movie, and deserving of its status. Whereas this movie's spine was ripped from Alien. Anyway, I never said it was a bad film movie. Subtract my rant about how hamfisted it was, and what I said was that it was pretty standard in terms of scifi, but disappointing in terms of an Alien movie.

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Now the only 2 that haven't handed in their opinion's are Griffith, and Aaz.
Well, I know them pretty well, and I don't think you have to guess too hard how they're going to respond to it.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 11, 2012, 11:17:30 PM
Some pretty shitty complaints Walter. I was expecting more bravado from you.

One thing that i disagree a lot, is Scotts direction of shots. It is so unobtrusive. You can complain about the lack of subtlety from the characters, but from the camera, i don't agree at all.

But i guess, the crying all over this movie boils down to this:

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So then, was it embarrassing, and a letdown for any Alien fans expecting something significant enough to warrant a return to the franchise? Yes.

Forget Alien, forget Aliens. Don't compare masterpieces to this. Enjoy it for what it is. There is plenty to enjoy in Prometheus.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on June 11, 2012, 11:25:00 PM
Some pretty shitty complaints Walter. I was expecting more bravado from you.
I thought I included some pretty colorful bravado, personally!

You can complain about the lack of subtlety from the characters, but from the camera, i don't agree at all.
Well, in terms of directing, I think the two go hand in hand. The actors do as they're told. As do the props.

Forget Alien, forget Aliens. Don't compare masterpieces to this. Enjoy it for what it is.
How can I? The movie goes out of its way to make these comparisons, using carbon copy scenarios from its predecessors, as if to say: "Hey, remember that time?" A ragtag team awakes from hypersleep and eats together before the mission. An android gets its head ripped off, and finds a way to help out. An infected man wants on board the ship, but the commanding officer won't allow it. And on, and on. These are all in-your-face throwbacks that tell me that Scott likely wanted us to keep the earlier movies in mind.

Second of all, why should I give it a pass just because it can't match up to its predecessors? Scott's the one who returned here. He shouldn't be able to have it both ways. If he's going to reach back into the well of his past greatness, I expect greatness.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Cronus on June 11, 2012, 11:54:50 PM
I enjoyed the ride.

I don't think the movie really tried to say that it was a prequel to Alien and beat people over the head with it.  Now the religious parallels and what not, yeah it was a bit much but I thought it was hilarious.  Also, abortion-in-a-box.

Prometheus is a sci-fi movie that expands an existing universe, which is ultimately the best way to do it to me.  On one hand you see an aspect of the universe you never completely expected.  It adds some threads to the lore, how the Xenomorphs came about and the like - meanwhile adding another place for the story to gravitate towards.  Not a bad thing, I think.

The plot made no real sense most of the time, most of the characters suddenly just threw in two cents about what was happening and it happened.  Pretty convenient but who cares?  My only question was, Did Stringer Bell tap that?!  :daiba:
Black goo was a plot device to rival ALL PLOT DEVICES.  It created some great moments and made speculate what it was all about.

I haven't seen Alien in quite some time but I do look forward to rewatching it soon because of this movie.  It is unsurprising that many people have never seen it - it was released in 1979 which is an eternity for the general movie-goer that sees movies now.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on June 12, 2012, 12:34:52 AM
So, the Engineer gets a giant Proto-Facehugger deep throating? I'm fine with that.

The remaining members of the Prometheus crew escape in another Engineer ship. Fine.

All I had to see was the Engineer wake up and stumble back to the crashed ship in a bit of a daze.

Why?

So below would make sense!

  
(http://images.wikia.com/aliens/images/2/26/SpaceJockey.jpg)

Guess they'll be saving that for the sequel. I hope no one tries to tell me ^THAT^ Engineer is the same one at the end of Prometheus, 'cause yea, he ISN'T.

Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Slime_Beherit on June 12, 2012, 04:52:21 AM
Isn't that easily explained by David when he says "it's not the only ship" so that scene could have a happened on an unseen ship
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on June 12, 2012, 05:28:29 AM
There were multiple ships.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 12, 2012, 11:05:03 AM
The Derelict did not crash on LV-426 - RC said in an interview that if you looked at it close it appears to be 'parked' there. It may/ may not be a Derelict from LV-223.

Therein lies the problem with most of the movie. From interviews it may or not be the same Derelict. That may or may not be earth from the beginning of the film. The director doesn't even fucking know. Whats the point of it all again?? Total liquidation?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 12, 2012, 02:18:54 PM
Some news (new short Weyland viral video, and a date 10-11-12)

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=61317
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 12, 2012, 02:32:34 PM
I think that what most miss with the point of Prometheus is that aside from it being an Origin film with echoes of 2001 a Space Odyssey , Blade Runner , and Event Horizon it was very much At the Mountains of Madness. Prometheus is like a circuit that courses throughout the whole of this Alien Universe. It is for a lack of a better word "The Beginning of all Things".
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on June 12, 2012, 02:40:38 PM
What bothered me.

1) The briefing scene onboard the Prometheus. I suppose that was really meant more for the audience, it just felt out of place. All the characters wake up after a 2 year cryo sleep and have NO clue why they're there? C'mon.

2) So, they break atmosphere over LV-223 (Why not LV-426?! WHY?) and after a few minutes of flying around, "Oh hey! There! God doesn't build in straight lines!" C'mon. They happened upon the site way too fast for my liking. Take a moment to flesh out some of the 17 person crew as Prometheus does a planetary scan or some bullshit.

3) Weyland's and Holloway's dismissive remarks to David lacked sorely needed subtlety. "He has no soul." "We made you 'cuz we can." Ugh. Subtlety!!! Having things childishly spelled out for me in these areas and NOT in other areas really got under my skin. I get David doesn't appreciate being looked down upon. That's easy to understand. The point was driven home multiple times. Even at the end, when his head is being put in a bag "You're just a robot!" Seriously?

4) The black ooze. Upon ingestion it, what, breaks down a lifeform to rebuild new life? Ok.

Get a face full of it and you become an alien-zombie?

OR if you're a worm (those things that were in the footprint as they entered the Big Face Chamber), you become an alien-cobra (Hammerpede is the official name...)?

ORRR, if you ingestion some and happen to get it on with an unfortunate partner, your semen produces GIANT PROTO-FACEHUGGIN' OCTOPI.

The black ooze needed some...MAJOR CLARIFICATION.

It was going to be used on Earth? Right? There were thousands of canisters. Why? Were they going to be rained on cities and turn people in more alien-zombies?!

5) The reanimation of the Engineer's severed head. What the fuck was that? It was biologically 'tricked' to think it was alive? Then it's head exploded. Um, why did it explode?
As stated in the movie, there was an outbreak in the Engineer facility. All the Engineers in the pile had things explode from within. So the Engineer who got his head chopped off by the door was infected. By the black ooze? It affects everything differently? But the Engineer drank some at the start and disintegrated, he didn't explode!

6) Weyland being on the ship. *eyeroll* His prime motivation is to cheat death. Please. So fucking unoriginal and a cry back to the Aliens vs Predator movie. That Weyland funded an expedition to find aliens and got killed by 'em. Man...

That's the plot twist you shoe horned in?! That?!

7) "Father......." Yeah, I figured that one out. But thanks for spelling it for me...

8 ) Too many throw away characters. 17 person crew. Upon my second viewing, I think a decent amount got taken out when the Prometheus kamikaze'd the Engineer ship. That and when the Zombie Geologist goes on a rampage. Waste.

The characters felt really shallow here. In Alien, they felt like real people. What happened here? Too many players and not enough focus.

9) THE ENDING...

Elizabeth and David escape from LV-223. Fine. As I said in an earlier post, I really wanted to see the Engineer wake up, go back to his crashed ship and have the Proto-Alien be born there. Then it would be simple and plausible to say, "Well, the shady company just called LV-223, LV-426 to keep a lid on things. Cuz they have trillions of dollars and can probably pull something like that off."

Well, no. Was the Prometheus' trip a big top secret endeavor? That would actually explain why the crew had no clue why they were there. But then, the rescue pod and the captain's line "You got two years of life" line. But it took two years in cryo sleep to get there. SOME USELESS ESCAPE POD!!!!! Would rescue even be an option? I always was under the impression the Company was NEVER in possession of any alien specimen. Well given Bishop 2's line in Alien 3 "THINK OF ALL WE CAN LEARN FROM IT! IT'S THE CHANCE OF A LIFETIME!" They weren't in possession. Right?   WTF?!

:judo:

Need to do real world work, will add to this later.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on June 12, 2012, 02:57:18 PM
After a day of processing, what I liked:

-Michael Fassbender, who portrayed the only truly interesting character in the movie, whose motivations and actions are always surprising. He's also of course given the most attention to detail. The writers grant him almost the entire opening scene (minus the alien acid bath).

-Visuals were pretty incredible at times. The practical sets certainly helped, and I hope this makes an impact on production companies' perspectives on the use of them. Though the visuals were also cheapened by some of the technology on display, including super-advanced computers (retconning the MS-DOS-esque tech seen in Alien, which takes place almost 100 years later) and of course the hologram/exposition tech. Still, the visuals strike the right chords when they need to.

-Idris Elba, who gave me the the only laugh of the  movie in his plain-faced attempt to fuck Charlize Theron.

-I appreciate the scope this movie is reaching for, even if it falls short of its intentions. Unfortunately, I already knew the big story beats for this, and I think every other Alien fan did as well.


Like I've told Aaz and Griff: Every scifi fan should see this movie, whether they end up liking it or not.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 12, 2012, 03:10:12 PM
01.What I've come to accept is that the Liquid sealed within the Urns in that Chamber are devices to Manifesting Desire. The Greatest Forbidden Fruit since The Garden of Eden.

- The Engineer's pure and uncorrupted sought only to create life.
- Man Desired Knowledge of its creation. It was granted
- Man Desired to experience creation without knowing the ramifications of
what it was they were creating through malicious intent

- Shaw's greatest Desire was to have what she would never have a child
and in a twisted way gave birth to a child

- The Child born from Shaw and Holloway opens The Door to the birth if
you will -- of The Demon Queen Lilith from whom all monsters come from.

02.The Characters I didn't really dwell on as the character's in Alien and Aliens acted out no better or worse there than here anyway. Again I had no problems with the characters

03.Peter Weyland doing what he did by having David ask the Engineer about Immortality is no different than what Roy Batty does in Blade Runner by asking his creator for more life.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 12, 2012, 03:37:27 PM
Interesting thoughts hellrasinbrasin. I think we can conclude that the black goo is the plot device to end all plot devices!
After we acknowledge all the flaws (my first thought was a big fuck you to Lindelof), there's tons of good ideas in this movie, even if not executed in the best way (i think trying to cater to all audiences was a shot in the foot, jack of all trades master of none type of stuff).
We need more movies like this, i can't believe shit like Madagascar 3 took the top spot from Prometheus...
Go see it and bring your gramma along.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 12, 2012, 03:59:45 PM
Exactly. Spaihts and Lindelof did a good job with Prometheus I'm interested in seeing what film 2 will look like. And unlike their 1st outing which was running in 2 directions at once they won't have to worry about prequel chains rattling around in the writers room the 2nd time on the race track.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on June 12, 2012, 04:15:32 PM
01.What I've come to accept is that the Liquid sealed within the Urns in that Chamber are devices to Manifesting Desire. The Greatest Forbidden Fruit since The Garden of Eden.

- The Engineer's pure and uncorrupted sought only to create life.
- Man Desired Knowledge of its creation. It was granted
- Man Desired to experience creation without knowing the ramifications of
what it was they were creating through malicious intent

- Shaw's greatest Desire was to have what she would never have a child
and in a twisted way gave birth to a child

- The Child born from Shaw and Holloway opens The Door to the birth if
you will -- of The Demon Queen Lilith from whom all monsters come from.

02.The Characters I didn't really dwell on as the character's in Alien and Aliens acted out no better or worse there than here anyway. Again I had no problems with the characters

03.Peter Weyland doing what he did by having David ask the Engineer about Immortality is no different than what Roy Batty does in Blade Runner by asking his creator for more life.

That's uh... well, that certainly does sound idealistic. And also like a bunch of hogwash, what with your comparing Shaw to Lillith. While We're At It Let's Capitalize Some More Words For Added Emphasis and Bullshittery.  :troll:

It seems to me that the black goo is more like a weaponized evolutionary compound. It turns things into violent creatures, the function of which I presume is to wipe out a race. It's certainly not as simple as "granting desire," because there's obviously a common physiology that links all of the creatures. We saw earthworms turned into proto-facehuggers, for example. Shaw's "pregnancy" also wasn't terribly different from the incubation period that xenomorphs undergo during their gestational phase.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on June 12, 2012, 04:19:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0&feature=player_embedded


Yup
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 12, 2012, 04:45:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0&feature=player_embedded


Yup

Geez, really?
I just want to wedgie those guys.
Most of those questions are so easily answered. I think from all the bitching, i've only read a couple of good genuine thoughtful complaints about the movie.
The top comment is amusing though.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 12, 2012, 04:59:52 PM
Most of those questions are so easily answered.

You mean explained by groundless theories? Like everything hellrasinbrasin has been pulling out of the air? Prometheus is like your imaginary friend, its whatever you want it to be. That's how vague the movie is.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 12, 2012, 05:06:34 PM
You mean explained by groundless theories? Like everything hellrasinbrasin has been pulling out of the air? Prometheus is like your imaginary friend, its whatever you want it to be. That's how vague the movie is.

Like why David put the goo in Holloway's glass? Why Holloway removed the helmet?
Really, do you think those questions provide outlandish theories?

The review on their site is more productive than that stupid video.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 12, 2012, 05:07:19 PM
You mean explained by groundless theories? Like everything hellrasinbrasin has been pulling out of the air? Prometheus is like your imaginary friend, its whatever you want it to be. That's how vague the movie is.

I'd gather you would say the same thing about the 4 Rebuild ~ Neon Genesis Evangelion Films or Tv Series. But let's keep on topic shall we.

If you pay attention to what is shown and what is not shown with what is said and not said and knowing what film and literary influences are in the film you will find the well that many are forming their theories at.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on June 12, 2012, 05:45:46 PM
Most of those questions are so easily answered.

They are?

It can't be a case of sloppy story telling? Unless the studio's hiding a sequel card up their sleeve, I'm not interested in trying to justify this story by looking at various theories spreading like mad online.  

Tons of people are searching for answers to this. Just like, wait, life itself...  OMFG, RIDLEY SCOTT IS A GENIUS.  :schierke:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 12, 2012, 06:03:58 PM
The number of questions that can't be answered by anything more than mere conjecture far outweigh those that can be.


I'd gather you would say the same thing about the 4 Rebuild ~ Neon Genesis Evangelion Films or Tv Series. But let's keep on topic shall we.

I don't believe a 130 million dollar production can afford to take the same liberties as Evangelion.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 12, 2012, 06:52:27 PM
It seems to me that the black goo is more like a weaponized evolutionary compound. It turns things into violent creatures, the function of which I presume is to wipe out a race. It's certainly not as simple as "granting desire," because there's obviously a common physiology that links all of the creatures. We saw earthworms turned into proto-facehuggers, for example. Shaw's "pregnancy" also wasn't terribly different from the incubation period that xenomorphs undergo during their gestational phase.
That is my belief as well. As to why the Engineer did what he did at the end, here's my take - originally the Engineer's were Earth-bound to actually deliver the payload and to destroy life on Earth. Unfortunately for them, shit went wrong and they could not achieve that (Hologram's evidence of it and also, when they recover the decapitated head Shaw indicates there were signs of change on a cellular level plus the black goo runs out of it's pores when they try to tweak it - so the Engineer's running away were scared of being infected by the goo. The ones infected were piled together with things busted outta them). Now, fast-forward - David and the humans go to wake the sleeping Engineer. He's surprised to see the things he was originally sent off to terminate have found their way here and he freaks out.

There's already a lot of talk about a sequel called Paradise. Obviously it doesn't sound like there will be a paradise at all.

About the goo, it's not that hard to figure out that - the urns begin to 'sweat' as David said because they were somehow activated when they entered that room, probably heat induced. When ingested by the worms, they turned into acid blooded aggressive bigger worms/ snakes that face-hug in their own characteristic way. When Fifield's face gets exposed to the goo, he turns into an aggressive dude and he's all crawled up outside, reminds me of how the Xeno's shown sitting in Alien/ Aliens. Holloway's infection was changing him as well.

This is a fun read - http://screenrave.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=24770:prometheus-secrets-behind-the-surgery-scene&catid=65:tidbits&Itemid=167

I would've preferred the real gore for that scene from the original script.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Grail on June 12, 2012, 07:09:11 PM
About the goo, it's not that hard to figure out that - the urns begin to 'sweat' as David said because they were somehow activated when they entered that room, probably heat induced. When ingested by the worms, they turned into acid blooded aggressive bigger worms/ snakes that face-hug in their own characteristic way. When Fifield's face gets exposed to the goo, he turns into an aggressive dude and he's all crawled up outside, reminds me of how the Xeno's shown sitting in Alien/ Aliens. Holloway's infection was changing him as well.

I think that makes a lot of sense, Canty. However, the main confusion about the black goo seems to be that it produces a drastically different reaction when ingested by the Engineers. Since their DNA is a perfect match to the human sample, why does it make them disintegrate when they ingest it?

I don't know if I'm just missing something, but that's what's bugging me.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 12, 2012, 07:18:26 PM
I highly recommend all who've seen the movie read the Topless Robot Prometheus FAQ for a good hearty laugh:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2012/06/robs_prometheus_faq.php (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2012/06/robs_prometheus_faq.php)

Even better..

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=prometheus_nutshell (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=prometheus_nutshell)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 12, 2012, 08:41:54 PM
I think that makes a lot of sense, Canty. However, the main confusion about the black goo seems to be that it produces a drastically different reaction when ingested by the Engineers. Since their DNA is a perfect match to the human sample, why does it make them disintegrate when they ingest it?

I don't know if I'm just missing something, but that's what's bugging me.


Could be a few things like the black goo at the beginning was different or the amount ingested perhaps? The Engineer at the beginning drinks the whole cup versus a drop ingested by Holloway or a facial exposure/ exposure to some extent on an injured Fifield. RC said in an interview (http://www.tywigs.org/gadgets-reviews/ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-with-slashgear-candid-uncut) "the guy at the beginning is simply donating himself ... It’s no more than that, he’s into a form of donation, except his DNA is so powerful, each molecule is like a timebomb.". That also answers a question raised about what planet is shown in the opening sequence - Earth because the Engineer's DNA is a perfect match to ours - as confirmed by Shaw analyzing the DNA from the Engineer's decapitated head they find. Here's another interview by Lindelof where he talks about RC's idea "Yeah, one of the things we kept coming back to was how do we take the idea of the creation myth that in Judeo-Christian culture it’s Garden of Eden, God creates Adam and Eve but Ridley was more interested in Greco-Roman or Aztec creation myths where there are many Gods and they make Man out of themselves. The idea that they sacrifice a piece of themselves to create Man in their own image I find very interesting and the question was can we do it on a sci-fi level and so the opening of the movie is that exact idea and that theme carries through to our future which, in this case, is embodied by our creations – David who we make in our own image though we don’t know why." - http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2012/06/07/prometheus-writer-damon-lindelof-talks-engineers-alien-family-tree-the-sequels-opening-scene/

RC's talked about Eric Von Daniken in his interview earlier. One of the many probable influences on ideas perhaps.


There's also an official Prometheus art book out there that has some cool images from what could be on the extended cut.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: MrWeatherby on June 13, 2012, 02:33:37 AM
I had just assumed that the goo affected different species in different ways. So with human DNA it would break the body down or explode it, and with the worms it turned them into something more advanced. That said, I assumed Zombie Fifield was the result of worms inhabiting his body like some sort of parasite. I'm probably just misremembering things, though I am glad that they don't overtly explain the goo and how it operates.

edit:

wait, guys, do you think the goo is the same as the stuff in World of Goo!? Oh my god, I think I blew this case wide open. Get Ridley Scott on the horn to confirm!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 13, 2012, 10:17:12 AM
If you looked at the Giger Mural on the door leading into another Chamber (hint hint wink wink)  you would have seen Prometheus's interpretation design of Giger's Mural spanning the Xenomorph Life Cycle.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ib9zs.jpg)
"Reinterpretation of H. R. Giger's Work"

(http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/3/20287.jpg)
"The Original"
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 13, 2012, 01:39:48 PM
First image, right and left bottom - you can see the face-hugger in action.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on June 13, 2012, 01:56:42 PM
That xenomorph mural is pretty hard to miss in the movie, since they show it a few times. But it just further confuses things to me.

It implies the engineers had prior knowledge of the xenomoprhs. To me, that mural shows the xenomorphs, being at the center and all, are probably the ultimate evolution of the various creatures spawned by the goo. However, the movie shows the xenomorphs as the final product in the unique and overly complicated breeding that happens between the phases of Holloway->Shaw->Squid Monster->Engineer's stomach->Xenomorph.

So, how could they have known that specific process would happen, and graft it onto a wall? Or am I just overthinking things, like the RedLetterMedia video warned about...
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 13, 2012, 02:58:24 PM
Here's a clearer picture of the mural that's floating around the interwebs -

(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2910/georgeft.jpg)

Agree with your explanation Walter. Bottom left and right - you see the face-hugger in action. Right on top you see a sort of womb and a small egg above the Xeno itself. The Xeno could either be the depiction of the Queen perhaps or of the Xeno simply to show that it's the 'perfect being' - as Ash mentions in Alien. Maybe it's a big warning to Engineers of what could happen, showing them the process of it.

I can see how this movie will not bode well with devout Catholics. It's actually a big FU to em with the idea that man was created by other Human~like beings and not a supernatural being - God.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 13, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
I think that most here can agree that its been a long time since any scifi film has generated this much debate.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Skeleton on June 13, 2012, 03:12:43 PM
To me, that mural shows the xenomorphs, being at the center and all, are probably the ultimate evolution of the various creatures spawned by the goo.

the Xeno simply to show that it's the 'perfect being' - as Ash mentions in Alien.

That'd definitely explain why the xenomorph is in Jesus' crucifix "pose."

Edit to add:  Or maybe it suggests the xenomorph is the result of whatever happened two thousand years ago? /baseless speculation
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on June 13, 2012, 03:22:08 PM
I think that most here can agree that its been a long time since any scifi film has generated this much debate.
Pfffff, yeah for it being confusing and open-ended? Bravo. How about that LOST ending, guys?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 13, 2012, 04:12:26 PM
How about that LOST ending, guys?

LOST's ending wasn't confusing it just confirmed that you were watching dead people for 6 Series.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on June 13, 2012, 04:58:48 PM
LOST's ending wasn't confusing it just confirmed that you were watching dead people for 6 Series.
My point: LOST generated a lot of debate and discussion as well for its vagueness and hints at a depth that never actually surfaced. That doesn't make it a good experience.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 13, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
My point: LOST generated a lot of debate and discussion as well for its vagueness and hints at a depth that never actually surfaced. That doesn't make it a good experience.

I never said that LOST was bad it was actually quite good and the series finale certainly added to the overall debate about the show.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on June 13, 2012, 05:26:51 PM
I never said that LOST was bad it was actually quite good and the series finale certainly added to the overall debate about the show.
Okay. Glad we cleared up where you, a Prometheus advocate, stand on that particular show.  :void:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on June 13, 2012, 09:32:29 PM
Alright, so I saw the movie and it's pretty weak. I can't really be bothered to read the thread right now so I'll just assume that all the reasons were given already. It's too bad because it had potential.

I never said that LOST was bad it was actually quite good and the series finale certainly added to the overall debate about the show.

Hahaha, there goes your credibility. Don't tell me you're defending this movie's glaring plot holes as well? That would be rather sad.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 13, 2012, 10:27:18 PM
Hahaha, there goes your credibility. Don't tell me you're defending this movie's glaring plot holes as well? That would be rather sad.

I never said it was a perfect film Aazealh as their is no such thing. Does Prometheus have issues "Yup" are they enough to ignore the ideas posed in the film "No". Does the film invalidate the countless theories being pitched in the Prometheus / Alien community "No". The bottom line is the film is what it is you're either going to take something from it or you're not -- you're either going to like or you're not.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 13, 2012, 11:51:35 PM
I just didn't care about the holes in this movie enough to prevent my enjoyment from it.
There's no way in hell they could tell this story, with the same characters in just a little under 2h without plot holes. Just no way. Let's hope there's enough material left on the floor to make this a better movie. From what i've been reading from the leaked draft, things do make more sense.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on June 14, 2012, 04:25:08 AM
I REALLY liked it, but I had some of the same complaints that have been mentioned so far. Mostly the movie felt like the script needed a few more drafts before production, which is most likely why there is so much awkward dialog between characters: "Father" and "I can't have babies" being the worst offenders for me (the bit about the ship being a bomber/the place being a weapons depot didn't bother me for whatever reason). The second problem is that the Scott needed to move away from Aliens.

As far as a sequal goes: what can they do? I know they are talking sequel already, but I just don't see where to move from that ending: "David release the evolution-bombs on top of the engineer home planet!" A sequel just isn't realistic, considering they'll kill Shaw on sight.


Also, I highly recommend NOT seeing this in 3D, not worth the money. (Thankfully I didn't pay for 3D tickets.)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: MrWeatherby on June 14, 2012, 04:55:40 AM

As far as a sequal goes: what can they do? I know they are talking sequel already, but I just don't see where to move from that ending: "David release the evolution-bombs on top of the engineer home planet!" A sequel just isn't realistic, considering they'll kill Shaw on sight.



Her devotion is outweighing reason. She could just putz off on back to Earth like David suggests, but like David she's driven by a curiosity to find out more. She even states that the Engineers "changed their minds" about making the human race extinct, and she wants to know why. Besides, she's spent her life trying researching this crap and a lot of people died because of it, so why go halfway?

Also them killing her on sight (or things just plain going wrong, which Ridley Scott has said would be the point) is reason enough to make another movie. It's conflict. What would you rather have happen? She goes there and they bake a cake and a chest burster pops out of it and she's like "oh you guuuuys~"
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on June 14, 2012, 07:46:13 AM
I never said it was a perfect film Aazealh as their is no such thing.

And I didn't say you said so.

Does Prometheus have issues "Yup" are they enough to ignore the ideas posed in the film "No".

That hardly makes sense. It's a movie, not a manifesto. The "ideas" it "poses" are nothing to write home about.

Does the film invalidate the countless theories being pitched in the Prometheus / Alien community "No".

No relevance.

The bottom line is the film is what it is you're either going to take something from it or you're not -- you're either going to like or you're not.

That's some deep stuff man.

I just didn't care about the holes in this movie enough to prevent my enjoyment from it.

Me neither. I enjoyed it for what it is. It just isn't much.

There's no way in hell they could tell this story, with the same characters in just a little under 2h without plot holes.

That's a rather debatable claim, and I think the movie would have been better with less people in it anyway.

Let's hope there's enough material left on the floor to make this a better movie. From what i've been reading from the leaked draft, things do make more sense.

I'm not hopeful.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on June 14, 2012, 11:38:03 AM
Also them killing her on sight (or things just plain going wrong, which Ridley Scott has said would be the point) is reason enough to make another movie. It's conflict. What would you rather have happen? She goes there and they bake a cake and a chest burster pops out of it and she's like "oh you guuuuys~"

What I'm specifically talking about is lack of an interesting conflict. The Engineers have already tried to kill Shaw once before (granted that specific engineer may have had a psychopathic episode, we'll never know because he is dead) and the Engineer species intended to orbital bombard Earth with bio-weapons. There really isn't a lot to do with a sequel that doesn't involve Shaw running away 99% of the film realizing how dumb her idea is, which if that is the sequel I'm sure you're going to love it.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 14, 2012, 11:50:22 AM
There really isn't a lot to do with a sequel that doesn't involve Shaw running away 99% of the film realizing how dumb her idea is, which if that is the sequel I'm sure you're going to love it.

Welcome to... the franchise???
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 14, 2012, 11:57:15 AM
Well now that The Engineer's God has been reborn at the end of Prometheus I'm interested in seeing what Paradise has to offer. Paradise is the temp title for Prometheus 2 so my question is what do people want covered in the follow up to The Adventures of Shaw and David.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 14, 2012, 01:22:08 PM
The Engineer's God has been reborn at the end of Prometheus
Why do you think that? Curious to know.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 14, 2012, 01:36:19 PM
Why do you think that? Curious to know.

Because of the reverence that that mural had over the other Mural. Very much how a specific painting or sculpture of Christ would carry reverence by a christian or a catholic. The Being crucified in the center of the mural if you look at the design of the head fits the design of the creature born at the end ... a 2nd coming if you will.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 14, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
That's a rather debatable claim, and I think the movie would have been better with less people in it anyway.

I agree.
There's just too much going on for a 2h film. Actions are bound to be rushed for the sake of moving on with the movie.

Welcome to... the franchise???

Well, if i remember correctly, before it had been confirmed as sort of a reboot-prequel to Alien, there were two movies, Prometheus and the sequel Paradise.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 14, 2012, 02:44:01 PM
Because of the reverence that that mural had over the other Mural. Very much how a specific painting or sculpture of Christ would carry reverence by a christian or a catholic. The Being crucified in the center of the mural if you look at the design of the head fits the design of the creature born at the end ... a 2nd coming if you will.
Crucified ... or perhaps just restrained if you look at the lines over the arms. By assuming that pose, it's easy to think it has a Catholic explanation/ reference, but what if it's just a diversion in the sense it makes you think the obvious when it's actually not. It could simply be a warning. The entire mural could be a depiction of the process to get to THAT particular Xeno. Maybe it's to be feared? Coming out of an Engineer, there could be a hint of an intelligent being, add that to it's destructive aggressive capabilities and you've got a worthy adversary against the Engineer race.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 14, 2012, 02:45:34 PM
...With the way that Scott's branch off Project was designed One Story heads off into uncharted territory in the Universe of Alien and the other returns to familiar waters.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 14, 2012, 03:58:00 PM
Well, if i remember correctly, before it had been confirmed as sort of a reboot-prequel to Alien, there were two movies, Prometheus and the sequel Paradise.

I was more or less referring to the Alien legacy, how the baseline conflict is always people, running away from Aliens..
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: MrWeatherby on June 14, 2012, 05:43:32 PM
What I'm specifically talking about is lack of an interesting conflict. The Engineers have already tried to kill Shaw once before (granted that specific engineer may have had a psychopathic episode, we'll never know because he is dead) and the Engineer species intended to orbital bombard Earth with bio-weapons.

If the Engineer species wanted to bomb Earth so bad they would have sent some more troops out our way in the 2000 years between coming up with the plan and the events of the movie. Just sayin', it might not be as simple as the Engineers going "whoa what, a human!?" and flipping the fuck out. Or it could be! I don't know, I'm not writing the thing, but I'm also not going to dismiss it under the pretense that there's nowhere else to take this because that's patently wrong.



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There really isn't a lot to do with a sequel that doesn't involve Shaw running away 99% of the film realizing how dumb her idea is, which if that is the sequel I'm sure you're going to love it.

Hello, I see you're not familiar with the Alien franchise.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Draculoid on June 14, 2012, 06:17:03 PM
The Engineer's God has been reborn at the end of Prometheus.

Albeit an extremely convoluted and vague way of creating their "god" the end scene doesn't strike me as anything special. The Engineers had contact with humans throughout thousands of years. All it takes is having a human ingest a drop of black goo, have them make a baby and have the newly emerged squid hugger squid hug an engineer (maybe simpler). There you go a brand new "god" was born. I just don't see this process and outcome as being anything unique or special come the end of the movie. Are you implying that all xenomorphs have been wiped out completely and this is now the only one? It's still only one and on an abandoned planet....it will need quite the explanation for that xenomorph to have more relevance.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on June 14, 2012, 07:42:05 PM
I just don't see this process and outcome as being anything unique or special come the end of the movie. Are you implying that all xenomorphs have been wiped out completely and this is now the only one? It's still only one and on an abandoned planet....it will need quite the explanation for that xenomorph to have more relevance.

Of course the process isn't unique or special. To me it's pretty clearly meant to show how that super bio-weapon that is the  black goo (years of RE games make me want to say BEE OW DOUBLE U) led to the "classic" xenomorph by accident (unless it always ends up being that after multiple and varying intermediary transformations). It's not even the same exact type of creature, just one resembling it. And the giant squid-hugger didn't seem less formidable than the resulting offspring either. Nor did the cobra-huggers seem cruder or less effective than the "classic" face-huggers.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 15, 2012, 06:44:51 AM
(http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/201206142.jpg)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 15, 2012, 11:04:43 AM
deleted scene?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Skeleton on June 15, 2012, 12:32:33 PM
deleted scene?

Yes sir. (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/06/14/prometheus-engineer-deleted-scene/)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 15, 2012, 12:48:54 PM
Yes sir. (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/06/14/prometheus-engineer-deleted-scene/)

Cool, gonna finish working on my Prometheus Mad Lib now.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 15, 2012, 01:22:23 PM
That scene's explained in the movie's art book as well.

You also see the Xeno (at the end) climbing a hill towards a Derelict ship. Could be something they'll take along when they do the sequel, maybe.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 15, 2012, 01:57:42 PM
That scene's explained in the movie's art book as well.

Don't you think reliance on supplemental material to explain certain scenes shows a failure to make a self contained movie?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 15, 2012, 02:11:16 PM
Not really (not in the context of your question) because in this case, it'll feature in the extended/ Director's cut. It's why such formats have come to exist. If you didn't watch the same for Alien you wouldn't know that Dallas was alive waiting to be chestbursted or that Brett was turning into an Alien egg like being. You just assume they're dead, plot-hole? Maybe and it doesn't matter in Alien's case.

What I don't get is that if it got a good R rating, why didn't they just put everything on it and give it all the R stuff they MAYBE withheld on. If those were just character development scenes, I'd still be up for it.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on June 15, 2012, 02:17:47 PM
What I don't get is that if it got a good R rating, why didn't they just put everything on it and give it all the R stuff they MAYBE withheld on. If those were just character development scenes, I'd still be up for it.
I'm willing to bet that the R stuff had more to do with what was and was not shown during the c-section scene. The MPAA have very finicky rules about that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 15, 2012, 02:41:55 PM
Visual FX Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veoWdXJ9KNs&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 15, 2012, 04:49:36 PM
(http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/prometheus-bts-prosthetic-533x800.jpg)

(http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/prometheus-bts-engineer10-535x800.jpg)

Reminds me of Hellraiser.

(http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/prometheus-bts-engineer23-535x800.jpg)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 15, 2012, 05:01:07 PM
(http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/prometheus-bts-prosthetic-533x800.jpg)

(http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/prometheus-bts-engineer10-535x800.jpg)

Reminds me of Hellraiser.

(http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/prometheus-bts-engineer23-535x800.jpg)

Reminds me of a Xenomorph ... well the suit anyway.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on June 15, 2012, 05:10:59 PM
Reminds me of a Xenomorph ... well the suit anyway.

Something from the same universe reminding you of something else from the same universe?

No way.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Rhombaad on June 15, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
Don't you think reliance on supplemental material to explain certain scenes shows a failure to make a self contained movie?

It could also have been the studio's decision to have the movie cut down for time reasons, but that's pure speculation. I know Scott has had quite the history with studios making controversial decisions about his films.

I'll check out the Director's Cut/Extended Edition when it shows up On Demand (I'm like someone going through stages of grief; right now it's denial. "The Director's Cut will make sense and make it a better movie!" I hope I'm right, but I think the odds aren't in my favor.)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Delta Phi on June 20, 2012, 02:58:36 AM
http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/prometheus-credits-tag-leads-to-a-new-viral-site-weyland-video/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_24383

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(http://media2.firstshowing.net/firstshowing/img4/WeylandFinalFootageCreditstagtsr4.jpg)
Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Well, what do we have here. Amidst all the discussion on Prometheus, fans have seemed to miss a clue that continues the story beyond what we see in this movie. MovieViral points out of that if you stay to the very end of the credits, there is a Weyland Corp tag (not a scene, just a logo - seen above) that includes the date 10. 11. 12. prominently displayed. I'd heard mentions of this, but many played it off as the possible DVD release date of Prometheus, which would (and still does) make sense. But there's actually a viral website associated with it and that comes with a new video featuring a young Peter Weyland.

At first glance, the tag just contains some basic information - Weyland Corp, which is a nifty little bumper, plus a link to the timeline website and that date. Fans following the viral should already be familiar with the viral timeline, which has provided many clues and lots of valuable information. For example, in this case, 10-11-2012 is the date when Weyland Incorporates. It states: "Weyland Corporation is recognized as a legal entity and corporation under United States law and receives their Certificate of Incorporation from the Companies House in the United Kingdom." So it's when they go from Weyland Corp to Weyland Industries, must be a major change. The new site was then discovered at WhatIs101112.com with even more clues...

So what's on this new 10.11.12. website? A lot of interesting information which seems to ask even more questions rather than answer any. But there may be some big clues here. One of the key components is a new video, a short 30-second video featuring a young Peter Weyland (played by Guy Pearce) from the TED 2023 Talk. In it, he only says one line: "I am a law only for my kind, I am no law for all." But there's also the tag on the video itself: Thus Spoke Zarathustra. The title refers to the book by German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche. "Much of the work deals with ideas such as the 'eternal recurrence of the same', the parable on the 'death of God', and the 'prophecy' of the Übermensch," it states. Watch the video:

The website also features a 3D render of a book with the title written on it "What is Great in Man is That He is a Bridge and Not an End." It's another quote from Nietzsche's book Thus Spoke Zarathustra, which all of this must be heavily connected to, given the numerous references so far. Plus, for everyone who has now seen Prometheus, all of these connections are starting to make sense. Weyland wants to meet his maker and wants to support a voyage to meet these gods, whoever they may be, since he is in search of power as well. But what does 10.11.12 really mean? We're not entirely sure yet. The site has five "modules", currently only at "1-A1", so we may have four more of these to go through, plus four more months until October anyway.

Video is, obviously, in the link.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on June 23, 2012, 11:00:01 PM
My impressions, about an hour or so after, and I purposely haven't read the other reviews in the thread because I don't want to be "arguing" with anybody from the get go:

First, the spoiler (btw, SPOILERS =) that got me down a few pages back in here was I saw the engineer and was crestfallen that it was the kind of alien that looks too human. Of course, that went away in the first scene and I was happy and ready to go again (and the scene looked great). But... let me start over.

You ever met someone with otherworldly good looks, an inspiring presence, and natural charisma you're drawn to and want to like, but unfortunately they just don't have one real idea in their head?

That's Prometheus. It looks great, has some great scenes, I enjoyed its company, wanted to like it, spend more time with it even (what a ripoff non-ending), but afterward, even though I still liked what I liked about it (and really didn't like what I didn't for dragging it down), there was no deeper connection because there was no substance to connect to. It's no coincidence one of the guy's behind Lost wrote this, because it suffers from the same problem of going nowhere, of proposing big ideas and continually promising answers, but ultimately never getting there (literally in this case). Aside from Fassbender's performance and the direction and visuals (including the effects), it was just a cool creature feature, and all the pseudo-philosophical discussion was just setup for that, not the other way around. Ultimately, it's a shaggy dog story, all sizzle and no steak, smoke without fire, just sound and fury.

Still, like I said, for the most part I enjoyed it while watching, but that's always conditional. I didn't really have a problem with the events of the film, other than some of the annoyingly stupid characters I was happy to see die, or all the little plot holes, or even the music (too much WONDER, not enough "wonder what's around the corner?"). Taken all together, one of the movie's big overall flaws, just as a thriller, was that nobody showed real trepidation like they should have, like it really was an exercise or a ride. It's a simple thing, but it matters. Anyway, I don't know, I'm conflicted, a lot to like, a lot not to, but it's definitely not your average movie and you'll see things here you won't anywhere else, but I just wish it had lived up to its potential. I could go on, but I'm not sure what to say without nitpicking it to death, and that's really not my chief concern, which was the big picture.


P.S. BTW, my dad's take was like it was some 1930's sci fi pulp (and he's read most of them =) looking at the future but not actually understanding how things work; thus, the asshole non-scientist rushing out and taking his helmet off, etc, etc, etc (because stupid stuff like that kept happening to setup neat monster scenes). Actually, this is basically my dad's review, take it away Mr. Plinkett:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

 :ganishka:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on June 23, 2012, 11:08:36 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

Repost!  :troll:

I feel the same as you about the movie, so nothing to argue here.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on June 23, 2012, 11:11:56 PM
The film was designed to not give answers to all the questions being asked. The ones that were unanswered you had to figure out on your own I sometimes think that that was the point. Prometheus would bring you up to the point of giving an answer then stop your job is to figure out if what was shown , said or alluded directly/indirectly to lead to the answer that was not revealed. And that's fine if the Director and writer want to play like that with the audience it just leaves more mental work though that is also not a problem.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on June 23, 2012, 11:58:38 PM
Repost!  :troll:

Ah, I see Proj posted it a... while back. Yeah, I've been keeping away, looking forward to reading everyone's thoughts now.

I feel the same as you about the movie, so nothing to argue here.

I'm still kind of fluctuating on it myself anyway. Speaking of which, along with all the earlier Alien talk, I think it's funny that my mocking prediction for the ending on the podcast was SPOT ON. Like, too close for comfort (and it's such an obvious idea I can't even really take credit). There wasn't even more to it than that, just forced it in there for the sake of having to do it, and it had no significance to anything else in the movie. If you weren't painfully aware of the film's connection to Alien it basically ended on a big "huh, what?," and I don't even think it particularly connects it in a significant way if you do know, "hey, it kinda looks like a xenomorph, so... uh, what?" Still, I didn't mind. I actually kind of liked the impish twist on its design.

There was also a distinct Alien: Resurrection connection in there. :carcus:

The film was designed to not give answers to all the questions being asked. The ones that were unanswered you had to figure out on your own I sometimes think that that was the point. Prometheus would bring you up to the point of giving an answer then stop your job is to figure out if what was shown , said or alluded directly/indirectly to lead to the answer that was not revealed. And that's fine if the Director and writer want to play like that with the audience it just leaves more mental work though that is also not a problem.

I don't think it was designed with much purpose at all in that arena. To be honest those deep questions were just window dressing, some of it was downright forced, other things so simplistic I wanted to believe there was more to it, but overall a lot of it didn't make much sense. I guess that's just more brilliant mental exercise for the audience designed by our genius filmmakers! Or not. Really, it wasn't deep at all, and in its defense, I don't think it was interested in being so, but just having that atmosphere (or Lindelof just doesn't know the difference). The point was amazing visuals, scenes, and cool icky creatures. It was about the ride.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Draculoid on June 28, 2012, 07:40:58 PM
I liked this video :) Lots of cool theories and ideas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-YjyI2_K30
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on June 28, 2012, 09:36:17 PM
I liked this video :) Lots of cool theories and ideas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-YjyI2_K30

Ugh. Lost respect for this guy @ 14:21 and 14:41.  :mozgus:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on June 28, 2012, 10:29:01 PM
Ugh. Lost respect for this guy @ 14:21 and 14:41.  :mozgus:

I generally don't respect such efforts in the first place, but he lost me anyway at the 0:07 second mark. =)

I skipped to the parts you pointed out, and yeah, he's just talking nonsense out of his ass (again, that's still sort of the movie's fault though). Does he even try to explain everyone behaving like they're retarded, or does he just ignore the questions that can't be answered by watching the movie over and over again? Do the scenes actually change if you see it again? That'd be a pretty brilliant.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 28, 2012, 10:48:13 PM
His review is flawed in MANY ways. Waste of time.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on June 29, 2012, 07:57:28 AM
Why would anyone waste their time watching this bullshit? It's obvious right away that the guy's a complete idiot.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on June 29, 2012, 08:03:53 AM
Why would anyone waste their time watching this bullshit? It's obvious right away that the guy's a complete idiot.

 :ganishka:

I too thought it odd that it took fourteen minutes for you to lose respect for the guy, Proj, or that you had any for him any in the first place.  :guts:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on June 29, 2012, 11:10:44 AM
Do the scenes actually change if you see it again? That'd be a pretty brilliant.

I watched it a second time last weekend. The experience wasn't really any different. However towards the end I felt like the movie would have performed better and been more well received had it stopped being a circlejerk and just led directly into the first Alien.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on June 29, 2012, 07:41:48 PM
:ganishka:
I too thought it odd that it took fourteen minutes for you to lose respect for the guy, Proj, or that you had any for him any in the first place.  :guts:

-__-     Tough crowd. I should've worded my post like this:

Ugh. COMPLETELY lost respect for this guy @ 14:21 and 14:41.  :mozgus:




Anyone curious what Jamie Rossi has to say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5uJPvMokuc&feature=player_embedded
This shit needs to stop.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on June 29, 2012, 07:58:43 PM
I'm going to re-watch it tonight with a couple and their 14 year old daughter. That'll be interesting. Don't think we're doing IMAX but I'll post my thoughts on the 2nd viewing, I don't think I missed anything the first time around. So, we'll see!
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Grail on June 29, 2012, 08:03:17 PM
I'm going to re-watch it tonight with a couple and their 14 year old daughter. That'll be interesting.
No kidding, man. I hope she likes C-sections! :ganishka:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: TheBranded1 on June 29, 2012, 09:09:49 PM
No kidding, man. I hope she likes C-sections! :ganishka:

or old dudes that look more like the engineers than the engineers themselves. :iva:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on July 02, 2012, 02:12:24 PM
The dad covered her eyes during that scene and in the end with Cuddles (Shaw's baby giant) attacking the Engineer. The mother though was a bit horrified by the C-section section because it's been 7 months since she had one for her 2nd child. I had fun though. The only thing I noticed this time around with the use of a tune from the Alien soundtrack in the scene during old Weyland's hologram at the beginning. Next time I see the movie, it'll be on BR.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on July 05, 2012, 03:14:43 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RsOUwnTOL.jpg)

:: Special Features ::

Contains:
- Blu-ray film in 3D active (player + TV + active 3D glasses required)
- Blu-ray film in 2D
- Blu-ray bonus
- DVD and digital copy
Limited Edition Steelbook in
Disc 1 (Blu-ray 2D) (150 'bonus):
Download:
Deleted scenes or alternative (15 ')
Audio commentary by director (120 ')
The private records of Peter Weyland, four viral videos (18 '):
- The offer to Elizabeth Shaw
- Happy Birthday David
- Prometheus Transmission (extended version)
- The conference Weyland in 2023 (long version)
Outside the disk: Second Screen App: App iPad Control Blu-ray remote which gives access to archives of Peter Weyland (60 '):
Pre-production:
- First and final draft of the script (text)
- Sketches of Ridley Scott (photo gallery)
- The Art of Prometheus (photo gallery)
- Pre-visualization (30 ')
- Tests of Noomi Rapace (15 ')
- The costume design (photo gallery)
- Tests "look" of the cast (10 ')
Production:
- Graphic Video Dashboard
- Photographs of the team
- Video of the private pilot
Production and post-release:
- Marketing Gallery
Disc 2 (Blu-ray 3D):
The 3D film active
Disc 3 (DVD bonus):
The angry gods: how to make the Prometheus of Ridley Scott, 9 videos (120 '):
- The conquest of Paradise (scenario)
- In reverse engineering (construction & design)
- The manifest human (characters & costumes)
- A nest of demons (creature design)
- A world without green spaces (Pinewood)
- Gains of chance (stunts & action)
- The beginning and end (Iceland)
- The sky on fire (visual effects)
- Prometheus without limits (post-production and theatrical release)
Units of improvement (30 '):
- Mini-featurettes
The archives of Peter Weyland (60 ')
Disc 4 (DVD):
Deleted scenes or alternative (15 ')


Source: http://www.amazon.fr/Prometheus-Blu-ray-Charlize-Theron/dp/B002L730I4/ref=amb_link_164001907_7?pf_rd_m=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0XC7BX5THNARWWXYF3CW&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_p=309664067&pf_rd_i=1000645873
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on July 05, 2012, 06:57:58 AM
Removed the spoiler tags, unnecessary at this point. Anyway, all that matters is if there's an extended cut, and judging from that and the U.S. counterpart, unless the "150 'bonus" is it and not just random bonus material, the answer is a disappointing no.

Also, I really enjoyed this "thinking person's" review from amazon user Shrack:

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A thinking person's movie June 14, 2012
By Shrack
Format:Blu-ray
(SPOILERS Ahead) "Prometheus" is quite an entertaining movie with stunning visuals but has a plot that will leave you stumped if you are not paying attention or do not think things through. The acting is quite entertaining. The movie, while not specifically a prequel of the "Alien" movie, definitely has elements that clearly tie it in to that movie. If you go into "Prometheus" expecting to have everything laid out for you, you will be sorely disappointed; this is not "Transformers" - expect to have to take the information given and cogitate. For example, one character, after arriving at the planet and exploring the "mound", becomes quite drunk and morose. Well, you have to realize that his dream of actually meeting one of the aliens had been dashed - what was to be his greatest achievement of his life had just been utterly destroyed. How would you respond if your dreams were dashed to pieces? Another example is David's poisoning of the aforementioned drunk. You have to listen to the conversation that occurred between them: "What would you do to realize your dream?" "Anything and everything" "Exactly" (or sentiments to that effect). Couple that with David's objectives and it becomes quite clear why he did what he did.

If you are looking for mindless entertainment, turn to "Transformers" and other movies of that ilk. This is not one of those movies. Both "Transformers" and "Prometheus" are good movies, but for very, very different reasons. If you are looking for a movie that will make you think, and has stunning visuals to boot, this quite easily could be a movie up your alley.

Or your ass. :ganishka:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on July 05, 2012, 01:42:26 PM
... lol. In any event I've enjoyed discussing every aspect of the film as much as I've enjoyed attacking it from time to time and I look forward to the Blu-Ray release as well as a RETURN to discussing LV-223 in October.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on July 05, 2012, 03:44:29 PM
... lol. In any event I've enjoyed discussing every aspect of the film as much as I've enjoyed attacking it from time to time and I look forward to the Blu-Ray release as well as a RETURN to discussing LV-223 in October.

Well, that makes one of you.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinbrasin on August 01, 2012, 08:10:25 PM
The PROMETHEUS Sequel Is Moving Forward!! Fassbender, Rapace!! No Lindelof??

Per THR, Fox and Ridley Scott are moving forward with a sequel to PROMETHEUS - a possibility brazenly advanced by the conclusion of this Summer's ALIENverse psuedo-prequel-thingie.

In the eternity ramping up to the release of PROMETHEUS, The Powers That Be had strongly and repeatedly indicated that a sequel film was hopeful-to-likely, although this is our first pointed and relatively official indication that a second picture exploring pre-ALIEN existential mythology might actually be happening. Fox confirms to THR that Scott and the studio actively are pushing ahead with a follow-up (stars Michael Fassbender and Noomi Rapace are signed) and are talking to new writers because Prometheus co-scribe Damon Lindelof might not be available...says THR.

THR says PROME2EUS is headed towards a 2014/2015 release. More as we know more...

Source: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/57379
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on August 01, 2012, 08:13:20 PM
No Lindelof?? ...Prometheus co-scribe Damon Lindelof might not be available..
What a terrible loss.  :griffnotevil:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on August 01, 2012, 08:57:17 PM
At this point a third-grader will write a better film.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: MrWeatherby on August 01, 2012, 09:45:58 PM
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PROME2EUS

I really hope they stick with Paradise, because this is the stupidest fucking title I've ever seen.

edit: nevermind, I guess that's just AICN being retarded.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on August 15, 2012, 05:39:33 PM
Looks like the list of deleted scenes has been released (http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/full-list-deleted-scenes-prometheus-blu-ray-revealed/). From what I can tell, they'll make the movie a lot better (there's about 35 minutes or so).

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ALTERNATE AND DELETED SCENES: [34:54]
* ARRIVAL OF THE ENGINEERS [2:31]
* T’IS THE SEASON [0:58]
* OUR FIRST ALIEN [0:42]
* SKIN [0:42]
* WE’RE NOT ALONE ANYMORE [1:22]
* STRANGE BEDFELLOWS [2:57]
* HOLLOWAY HUNGOVER [1:25]
* DAVID’S OBJECTIVE [0:23]
* JANEK FILLS VICKERS IN [3:27]
* A KING HAS HIS REIGN [3:40]
* FIFIELD ATTACKS [2:01]
* THE ENGINEER SPEAKS [4:06]
* FINAL BATTLE [5:30]
* PARADISE [5:05]

Should be (more) interesting.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on August 15, 2012, 05:46:48 PM
From what I can tell, they'll make the movie a lot better (there's about 35 minutes or so).

Should be (more) interesting.
Longer doesn't mean better. It could make the movie more bloated.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on August 15, 2012, 06:24:31 PM
Longer doesn't mean better. It could make the movie more bloated.

I think the deleted scenes are just an added feature and aren't actually in the movie proper.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on August 15, 2012, 11:42:14 PM
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* THE ENGINEER SPEAKS [4:06]
* FINAL BATTLE [5:30]
* PARADISE [5:05]

Uh, yeah, I'd say 15 minutes of what should have rightfully been the point of the movie could make it better. Jesus Christ, what were they thinking? On the other hand, considering some of dialogue and scenes that were left in, how bad is the stuff they cut? Hopefully the objective was to dumb it down to the max.

Longer doesn't mean better. It could make the movie more bloated.

That wasn't the movie's problem though, it was only two hours and probably should have been longer (like about 15 minutes =) if they were really trying to do something. 140 to 150 minutes is a perfectly fair length for a good movie. Then again, if you don't have a good movie anyway...
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on August 16, 2012, 04:26:03 PM
That wasn't the movie's problem though, it was only two hours and probably should have been longer (like about 15 minutes =) if they were really trying to do something. 140 to 150 minutes is a perfectly fair length for a good movie. Then again, if you don't have a good movie anyway...
For any movie, or any genre, simply saying there is more footage isn't a guarantee of quality. It could all be shit, and cut for a reason. The fact that these deleted scenes aren't being integrated into a new cut for the movie is pretty much a signal for that anyway.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on August 16, 2012, 10:54:58 PM
For any movie, or any genre, simply saying there is more footage isn't a guarantee of quality. It could all be shit, and cut for a reason

Of course, but the headings for the footage they cut sound better than what's in the movie (basically exactly what's missing) and add up to a significant amount of screen time. Maybe it's a bunch of even more underwhelming nothing, or what they came up with is even worse than the vagueness we got, but it's certainly curious.

The fact that these deleted scenes aren't being integrated into a new cut for the movie is pretty much a signal for that anyway.

It's pretty disappointing all around actually, signaling that the stuff is indeed that much worse, they think the movie is perfect as is, or they plan to double their money with a director's cut later. None of these scenarios is very appealing, obviously.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinb on August 21, 2012, 03:27:18 AM
The thing about extended editions/Directors Cuts is that they are a slippery slope as they fall under 2 types.

Type 1 Is the "So-So Extension" a so (It could be better) or so (It could be worse) with the footage being reinserted.

Type 2 Is the "Directors Cut" where a great film is made even greater.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on August 21, 2012, 11:37:27 AM
Type 2 Is the "Directors Cut" where a great film is made even greater.

A Director's Cut isn't always necessarily superior to the theatrical release.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on August 21, 2012, 01:31:30 PM
A Director's Cut isn't always necessarily superior to the theatrical release.

I preferred the theatrical release of Blade Runner, myself.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on August 21, 2012, 01:58:04 PM
I preferred the theatrical release of Blade Runner, myself.
Which one has him talking throughout: "Then I killed the robot."
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: hellrasinb on August 21, 2012, 03:11:00 PM
Which one has him talking throughout: "Then I killed the robot."

I believe if memory serves me well Walter that you are talking about "The Theatrical Print". As the theatrical print ends with Deckard and Rachel driving off in a car.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on August 21, 2012, 07:50:13 PM
Which one has him talking throughout: "Then I killed the robot."

I don't remember the line, but the voice over occurred in the theatrical release. I didn't care for the narration, but I did like how it switched from industrial to a more natural setting.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on August 22, 2012, 03:55:34 AM
I preferred the theatrical release of Blade Runner, myself.

 :isidro: What?

You're the first person i've heard to say that.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on August 22, 2012, 07:34:54 AM
:isidro: What?

You're the first person i've heard to say that.

I always found the "Deckard as replicant" ending to be pretty lame, notably the unicorn dream sequence. Never felt very natural or logical to me. "He was one of them all along!" Really? :schierke: The movie doesn't need that kind of cheap twist. Rachel being one and Deckard falling for her is enough.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on August 22, 2012, 01:54:58 PM
:isidro: What?

You're the first person i've heard to say that.

Yeah, I know. I enjoyed the ambiguity of it, honestly. But that's when I was younger. Looking back now, I think Aaz has a point that the natural progression doesn't fit well with it. Out of all the cuts, the final one is my favorite.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on August 30, 2012, 02:26:11 AM
I always found the "Deckard as replicant" ending to be pretty lame, notably the unicorn dream sequence. Never felt very natural or logical to me. "He was one of them all along!" Really? :schierke: The movie doesn't need that kind of cheap twist. Rachel being one and Deckard falling for her is enough.
Yeah, I know. I enjoyed the ambiguity of it, honestly. But that's when I was younger. Looking back now, I think Aaz has a point that the natural progression doesn't fit well with it. Out of all the cuts, the final one is my favorite.

On that note, here's the 30th Anniversary Blu-ray cover:

(http://jet.brand-name-coupons.com/deals25/Blade-Runner-30th-anniversary-blu-ray.jpg)

So much for subtlety. :ganishka:

I've actually only ever seen the Director's Cut, which I quite enjoy (the ambiguity still works for me =), but I dream ofelectronic sheepone day owning one of these ridiculous Blu-rays with the five different versions of the film on it. As I've said, I'm quite the fan of that concept (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=10763.msg188281#msg188281), I just wish I'd bought this edition (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UBMWG4/ref=s9_simh_gw_p74_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1VR8C8CB4D6Y9HG88P48&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846) when it had the cool Director's Cut cover instead of this shit. Though the Collector's Edition looks nice (http://www.amazon.com/Anniversary-Collectors-Blu-ray-UltraViolet-Digital/dp/B00845MRKE/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1346296948&sr=1-2&keywords=blade+runner), it's almost as pricy as the out of print 25th Anniversary one and lacks its elegant simplicity. Also, if you haven't noticed, they're clearly running it into the ground with all the re-releases (I already count at least five versions of the five print format :azan:)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on August 30, 2012, 02:33:36 AM
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I've actually only ever seen the Director's Cut, which I quite enjoy (the ambiguity still works for me =), but I dream ofelectronic sheepone day owning one of these ridiculous Blu-rays with the five different versions of the film on it. As I've said, I'm quite the fan of that concept (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=10763.msg188281#msg188281), I just wish I'd bought this edition (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UBMWG4/ref=s9_simh_gw_p74_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1VR8C8CB4D6Y9HG88P48&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846) when it had the cool Director's Cut cover instead of this shit. Though the Collector's Edition looks nice (http://www.amazon.com/Anniversary-Collectors-Blu-ray-UltraViolet-Digital/dp/B00845MRKE/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1346296948&sr=1-2&keywords=blade+runner), it's almost as pricy as the out of print 25th Anniversary one and lacks its elegant simplicity. Also, if you haven't noticed, they're clearly running it into the ground with all the re-releases (I already count at least five versions of the five print format :azan:)

Ugh. I thought this whole 30th anniversary release was just a joke. Scott must be thinking, "Well, all of my current movies are shit. This one will definitely still make me some money!"

I swear Blade Runner gets as many releases and versions as Dragon Ball Z does.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on September 01, 2012, 01:08:13 PM
On that note, here's the 30th Anniversary Blu-ray cover:

http://jet.brand-name-coupons.com/deals25/Blade-Runner-30th-anniversary-blu-ray.jpg (http://jet.brand-name-coupons.com/deals25/Blade-Runner-30th-anniversary-blu-ray.jpg)

So much for subtlety. :ganishka:

They're just playing to their audience. :void:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on September 19, 2012, 08:48:53 PM
The Engineer speaks! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLrVC2FKLh8)

Sounds like Jabba the Hut is speaking the Cybertronian language.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on September 20, 2012, 12:55:24 PM
I'm glad they cut those 15 or something minutes, it does little to the overall impact of the movie, in fact, the Engineer fight is so sloppy.

Overall, for a race who are highly intelligent and relate to smooth/ good sounds (aka the way they maneuver their ships), the Engineer's voice doesn't fit. But it could go either way and I can be completely wrong on it. Just thinking out aloud.  Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on September 20, 2012, 01:56:13 PM
Overall, for a race who are highly intelligent and relate to smooth/ good sounds (aka the way they maneuver their ships), the Engineer's voice doesn't fit. But it could go either way and I can be completely wrong on it. Just thinking out aloud.  Hmmmm.
I dunno, I thought his gutteral sound was pretty fitting for a race of beings who created race-destroying bioweapons.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on September 20, 2012, 03:38:02 PM
I'm glad they cut those 15 or something minutes, it does little to the overall impact of the movie, in fact, the Engineer fight is so sloppy.

I disagree. From the sound of it, those 15 minutes make the movie better as a whole.

Minus the whole idiot Vickers bring crushed to death. It's sad that it's the only scene that I really remember from the movie.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on September 20, 2012, 06:28:27 PM
Vickers' death scene is pretty apt as far as I'm concerned. I've watched the 15 whatever minutes together but not as part of the movie's extended cut and until then, I'll stand my ground haha.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Icelin on October 01, 2012, 06:32:05 PM
Some people did not enjoy this movie, I for one did. They wanted to go somewhere else with this one and I can appreciate that. Except for the ending which I guess was kind of the birth of the Alien but I thought it was a bit cheesy.

The movie reminded me a lot of the Annunaki, which I don't really know wether or not to believe in extra terrestrial lifeforms but I do feel like that had a huge influence on this movie. "They were here before us and created us."

Either way loved the movie, and love the Alien series.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Lithrael on October 01, 2012, 08:03:40 PM
I finally got to see this one myself.  It was fun to watch and all but I would have liked it a lot more if it had tried to be kind of intelligent.  As it was it never rose, script/plot wise, above your average slasher film.  The awkwardly inserted and poorly explored 'faith' theme just didn't cut it.  The most fun I got out of it was looking up fan theories that tried to force the movie's plot and its characters' actions to make sense. 

And then I looked up - do we need spoiler tags anymore?  the interview about the Space Jesus plot they left out at the last minute.  So now I'm just like..  WHAT.  How deeply western-culture-centric of you, Mr. Scott. 

Then I watched a Youtube compilation of people falling over and came to the conclusion I always come to when I contemplate relationships between men and gods.  Which is that humanity is far, FAR too inept for any higher power to sit there with a straight face and say they're going to judge it.  I can't buy the idea that you're an alien superintelligence that can do all these alien superintelligent things and then turn around and, basically, come home to find the dogs ate your favorite couch, and it makes all your bioweapons backfire and now you're on a mission to destroy all dogs.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on October 09, 2012, 06:26:57 PM
There's a lot of interesting tidbits here concerning Spaihts original script before Lindelof jumped on board (spoilers):

http://collider.com/prometheus-extended-cut-original-script/200846/?_r=true (http://collider.com/prometheus-extended-cut-original-script/200846/?_r=true)

Something I find odd is that the article claims it was the studio executives that pushed for Ridley to create distance from the Alien legacy. If that was the case, why would they allow that hamfisted deacon in at the very end?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on October 09, 2012, 06:54:46 PM
The original version certainly seems cooler on paper.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: JoeZeon on October 09, 2012, 07:48:24 PM
There's a lot of interesting tidbits here concerning Spaihts original script before Lindelof jumped on board (spoilers):

http://collider.com/prometheus-extended-cut-original-script/200846/?_r=true (http://collider.com/prometheus-extended-cut-original-script/200846/?_r=true)

Something I find odd is that the article claims it was the studio executives that pushed for Ridley to create distance from the Alien legacy. If that was the case, why would they allow that hamfisted deacon in at the very end?

After reading this article I can honestly say I was expecting this kind of material to be in the movie. Perhaps having those expectations ruined the movie before I saw it, but the end result was just a shiny broken mess.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: frankencowx on December 21, 2012, 02:27:06 PM
Lindelof not returning for Prometheus sequel:

http://collider.com/prometheus-sequel-damon-lindelof/219084/?_r=true (http://collider.com/prometheus-sequel-damon-lindelof/219084/?_r=true)

Surprise??
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on December 21, 2012, 03:44:41 PM
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But much to the delight of all the fanboys, I don’t see myself being involved in Prometheus-er.”

Good.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on December 21, 2012, 03:48:37 PM
Hey, maybe this project has a shot now  :carcus:

In all seriousness, I don't think it was Lindelof alone that wrecked this movie for me.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Johnstantine on December 21, 2012, 04:00:35 PM
Hey, maybe this project has a shot now  :carcus:

In all seriousness, I don't think it was Lindelof alone that wrecked this movie for me.

Agreed. Like I've said many times before, Scott just goes with the flow now. Doesn't seem like he makes much of a fuss about the writing in his movies anymore.

Proof? Look at his movies since post-Gladiator.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on December 21, 2012, 05:12:42 PM
One less cook to spoil the main course, Lost~style.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on November 16, 2015, 09:03:05 PM
They made another change for the movie sequel name and it's now called Alien: Covenant.

According to Prometheus' Facebook page, the synopsis is: (https://www.facebook.com/PrometheusMovies/?fref=ts) Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott’s 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.

Tentative release date - October 6th, 2017.

(http://i.imgur.com/kosplv8.jpg)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on November 16, 2015, 10:24:29 PM
... whose sole inhabitant is "Michael Fassbender", survivor of the doomed Prometheus film.

 
Fixed.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on November 17, 2015, 12:28:46 AM
Fixed.

Perfect. :ganishka:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on November 17, 2015, 12:46:53 AM
I don't mind Scott getting a do over with the other best thing from the last attempt. Maybe if they keep this going and get a little bit better each time by the 4th try it'll be a decent prequel to Alien!

Alien 11: Prometheus the Fourth, The Third Covenant: I Think We Got It this Time
Synopsis: Directed by Ridley Scott, starring Michael Fassbender as David, and featuring fascinating background information, not written by Damon Lindelof, about the alien creature from Alien (1979) and only the alien creature from Alien (1979) and the actual LV-426. We know, this shouldn't have been that hard.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on November 17, 2015, 04:23:01 PM
Fixed.
Hahaha! True.

Maaan, I'm crossing my fingers this movie works on some level. Haven't watched Prometheus in a while but what sticks with me after these years is that as a stand alone sci-fi movie, it's not bad. Tying it to Alien with Covenant as a bridge between the two ... I dunno how they're going to make it work ... it's one of those times you don't want it to suck but chances are it's gonna suck anyway. The synopsis doesn't talk about Shaw and sounds confusing which isn't a bad thing if Lindelof isn't part of the story telling. Speaking of story, I snooped on IMDB and the writers are worrying enough (past/ current work - Gotham, Green Lantern, Trancendence, Kings and the upcoming Wolverine, Blade Runner)

Ridley though is on a high coming off The Martian which was prolly top 5 in the Sci-fi movie bracket this year, good comeback considering his last few projects.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Proj2501 on November 17, 2015, 04:38:32 PM
Not terribly hopeful about this project, tbh. Prometheus' story was so sloppy. Could a sequel clear up the lingering questions? Sure, but I don't really feel like watching a whole other movie to find about about what happened in the first. That was the first movie's job.

I could be (and hopefully am) wrong and A:C will be some glorious accomplishment, lifting Prometheus from the mire of disappointment in which it currently lies.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Aazealh on November 17, 2015, 08:15:03 PM
The problem is that Prometheus already ruined so much of the canon, and nothing will fix that. Besides, do we really need to now have all the mysteries of Alien explained away in some contrived, "I'd planned it this way all along I swear" manner? I was fine with things the way they were. I used *gasp* my imagination to fill in the blanks.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on November 20, 2015, 07:43:27 PM
I was fine with things the way they were. I used *gasp* my imagination to fill in the blanks.

And as soon as they figure out a way to charge you for that use of their exclusive intellectual property, these ventures will all go away. =)

And yeah, the correct answer is we're almost always better off without these prequels. It's backwards storytelling by nature and there's almost no graceful way around that.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: NightCrawler on November 28, 2015, 02:14:04 AM
Great, now Ridley wants to do a Lucas: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ridley-scott-alien-covenant-is-844051?utm_source=facebook

Remember when Prometheus had nothing to do with Alien?
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Walter on November 30, 2015, 02:45:37 PM
I, Nostradumbass, predict: That Trilogy Will Be Canceled Before It Sees the Light of Day.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: ApostleBob on November 30, 2015, 03:50:36 PM
Rdley Scott's getting pretty ambitious for a 78 year old.  You gotta figure each movie takes 2 years to make at least...
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on November 30, 2015, 11:22:27 PM
Great, now Ridley wants to do a Lucas: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ridley-scott-alien-covenant-is-844051?utm_source=facebook

Remember when Prometheus had nothing to do with Alien?
I, Nostradumbass, predict: That Trilogy Will Be Canceled Before It Sees the Light of Day.
Rdley Scott's getting pretty ambitious for a 78 year old.  You gotta figure each movie takes 2 years to make at least...

Yeah, the whole thing is rather fishy; he doesn't want anything more to do with the franchise for 30 years, now it's all he's interested in doing for the next decade? It reminds me of Cameron saying he's now "in the Avatar business," except Prometheus wasn't such inexplicably great business. So, like Walter, I'm dubious this is all going to come to fruition. It just sounds like a bunch of big talk, "We're going to make a bunch of good movies" You couldn't even make one. Lucas is a great comparison with all his phony Star Wars prequel and sequiel trilogies he was bullshitting about for decades, "There's really 6 parts, no, 9, no, 12!" Yeah, right, and here they didn't even have anything to say about Alien in the one prequel they've done, now they need three more to bridge the gap? I mean, I guess at the rate they're going they could do as many movies that are barely related to Alien as they like, "... but we're going to need 6 more to bridge the gap." Plus, there's not even a mysterious to uncover. It's going to be the same shit we've heard for 30 years but in so many more stupid words, "They're WMDs, bro!" Yuck.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on December 04, 2015, 04:30:55 AM
Guess this means Blomkamp’s movie's on hold till who knows when.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Skeleton on December 07, 2015, 11:41:16 AM
(Questionably Confirmed) Spoiler but posting because :ganishka:. (http://www.scified.com/prometheusmovies/8-months-later-multiple-davids-in-prometheus-2-alien-covenant-confirmed)
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on December 07, 2015, 07:59:13 PM
(Questionably Confirmed) Spoiler but posting because :ganishka:. (http://www.scified.com/prometheusmovies/8-months-later-multiple-davids-in-prometheus-2-alien-covenant-confirmed)

Was cautiously optimistic with most of the sequel news but when I heard about the trilogy and read this, I give up.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Skeleton on December 13, 2015, 02:33:25 AM
I'm trying to be a more optimistic/positive Skeleton so until proven otherwise (after the movie comes out) I'm not going to label this film crap.  The fact that Scott is taking an "if some is good, more is better" approach to the one undeniably great thing about the first film made me chuckle though.

But then again there was a trailer for Prometheus that showed that exact idea (http://youtu.be/RJ7E7Qp-s-8) so there is precedent for it, I suppose.

Despite the first film's flaws, I really enjoyed it. I'd be surprised if this one wasn't enjoyable too.
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Griffith on December 13, 2015, 09:04:53 AM
I'm trying to get back to my old, negative, naysaying self. So, on that note, if the filmmakers want to improve their prospects they should just have Michael Fassbender play every character in the movie; it probably won't fix the broken plot, though. :iva:


P.S. If Star Wars sucks again, I'm just going to to go ahead and hate everything forever. Also, speaking of overexposed, it's official lack of Rotten Tomatoes feedback is sponsored by Duracell! No joke (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_episode_vii_the_force_awakens/).

Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: Skeleton on December 13, 2015, 10:38:10 AM
I'm trying to get back to my old, negative, naysaying self. So, on that note, if the filmmakers want to improve their prospects they should just have Michael Fassbender play every character in the movie; it probably won't fix the broken plot, though. :iva:

Now now. They have to save something for the third film. :)

A part of me hopes they eventually can Scott and start throwing money at James Cameron until he agrees to write and direct a sequel. Why yes, I did watch Aliens again recently and was reminded of how completely badass that film is. How did you know?


Also, speaking of overexposed, it's official lack of Rotten Tomatoes feedback is sponsored by Duracell! No joke (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_episode_vii_the_force_awakens/).

:ganishka:
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on December 14, 2015, 07:36:40 PM
A part of me hopes they eventually can Scott and start throwing money at James Cameron until he agrees to write and direct a sequel. Why yes, I did watch Aliens again recently and was reminded of how completely badass that film is. How did you know?
Cameron though is going to be stuck on Pandora for another decade maybe, perhaps after that if he doesn't want to take on Terminator. I agree, Aliens is amazing and pretty accessible to the every day fan just like Terminator 2 was to Terminator.

When asked about the sequel to Prometheus recently, Scott disclosed something he hasn't mentioned before (http://www.thewrap.com/ridley-scott-martian-humor-prometheus-alien-prequel/) ...
Title: Re: Prometheus
Post by: IncantatioN on April 26, 2016, 03:00:04 AM
It'll be Alien Day in a few minutes and probably by the time I'm done typing this post :p ... to the fans of the franchise, Happy Alien Day (http://ladrobardo.altervista.org/Sprites/Alien%20Egg.gif).

(http://i.imgur.com/qtxELRI.gif)

Alamo Drafthouse were showing the movies but tickets were sold out by the time I found out about it. I'll put on theatrical cuts for Alien and Aliens after work tomorrow, try to score 2 posters I've been eyeing by Mondo during the day and hopefully nothing else. Reebok's releasing limited edition Alien Stompers that Ripley wore on Aliens, expensive though :sad:.