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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Overview of Berserk's episodic releases
« on: May 27, 2018, 09:06:29 PM »
Wow this is really awesome and comprehensive! So interesting to have this complete listing of all Miura's publication history in Animal House/Young Animal.
Just a question of clarification, Young Animal's 01 issue of the printed year hit the stands during the second Friday of the December of the year before, right?


Also out of curiosity, was Revenge 16: Golden Age (#8) never published in Animal House? Was it added in Volume 5's publication?

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356 part II
« on: May 27, 2018, 05:59:45 PM »
Since its seems to have been confirmed that the most recent release was in fact Part Two of Episode 356, besides renaming the thread, how should it be recorded in the sites' Episode table archive?: http://skullknight.net/images/eps.htm
Should it be counted as two for the "# releases" with a *note stating that one episode was split apart or should it be vice versa?

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356 part II
« on: May 22, 2018, 09:30:34 PM »
Just to be sure, the "ominous large shadow in the thicket" Sonia mentioned in the previous release was definitely referring to the Hydra correct? We shouldn't expect some other entity to still be lurking about, right?

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 24, 2018, 08:37:21 PM »
Slightly disappointed that we got a narrative shift, but I have no doubt the shift will work fine when collected. Otherwise, it was a simple but effective narrative opener episode. The visuals were great too, the details in the giants design really elevate their memorability for what are likely to be two-off episode obstacles. Curious what the ominous shadow will turn out to be, and if Sonia's demeanor is indicative of any significant immediate development.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: April 10, 2018, 06:32:42 AM »
https://twitter.com/mangamagjapon/status/983598417732558848?s=21

Saw this linked tweet on Reddit saying Episode 356 will be in the April 27th YA issue. Can the veracity of the screen-shot in the second tweet be verified?

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 27, 2018, 12:20:37 AM »
Seems like only around half a year since the beginning of Conviction. Conviction goes from autumn to winter and Milennium Falcon is winter to spring.
If you’re curious about the nitty-gritty details regarding the Berserk timeline, Walter compiled a pretty easy to read list of all the stated instances of the passage of time in the series from an old thread I started discussing said topic: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=15216.msg245078#msg245078

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 20, 2018, 01:48:10 AM »
It's not that deep. Miura has been using this art style, since pretty much Falconia now. Bigger eyes, smaller nose, wider face. It's much more modern anime-esque, which doesn't surprise me, as todays series that use that style probably have an influence on him. One thing is sure for me though, the general art style looked at it's best late MF arc.

Yeah, to basically restate what I said in the Berserk subreddit, the art has really just been accumulating a bunch of small little changes that all together are noticeable, but it has been happening since episode 338 (July 2015), if not Episode 334 (April 2014). It's just that people didn't notice it initially because it occurred during the Episodes focusing on Rickert (who doesn't appear in the narrative as frequently, so people don't have quite as a fixed/cemented image of his design as they do/did with Guts and co.).
People only really started noticing with Episode 342 because it had been more than three years since Guts and co. had been drawn by Miura. Furthermore, Miura has been drawing everyone’s eyes just slightly larger (and with slightly shorter jawlines), not just Casca, Farnese, and Schierke. I think it’s just less noticeable with the older and/or male characters because their default jawlines are still longer than the standard character design.

Personally, I think the current art style looks fine, it's slightly different than what it was a few years ago but that's par for the course with Berserk. The art of the latter half of the Millennium Falcon Arc (which personally, is my favorite art style period) likewise looked different compared to the very end of the Conviction Arc (which are other fans favorites due to the more scratchy/rough and angular line-work). If it's not to one's personal taste, that's a perfectly fair view to hold, but the numerous comments (in the subreddit) saying Miura's art/skill has "degraded" is unfair IMO (also scan quality/filters can make a bigger difference in image quality than one might realize).

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 354
« on: March 02, 2018, 06:03:51 AM »
Just wanted to echo Griffith’s sentiments regarding Guts’ sexual assault of Casca and how its potential consequence may/should be adressed. Like Griffith said it may not have been the worst trauma Casca has experienced relative to all the other stuff she has suffered, but it’s still significant enough, and uniquely to Casca’s and Guts’ relationship, that it warrants specific direct narrative addressment.

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Podcast / Re: SkullKast: Episode 93
« on: February 26, 2018, 04:53:40 AM »
I really liked how you guys emphasized how while dog-Guts and the Femto-falcon represented said characters in Casca’s mind, those entities were still fundamentally at their core Casca herself (or aspects of her). As I have seen other reactions (from outside this site) that seem to forget and/or deemphasize that fact, and treat dog-Guts and Fenton-falcon as independent of Casca’s psyche and aren’t indicative of her conflicted subconscious in regards to her to the restoration of her sanity.

Speaking of which, I agree that it it’s almost somewhat comedic that Skull Knight’s ominous words in Episode 237 basically turned out pretty straightforward in their meaning (after all the years of speculation and anxiety over them): that parts of Casca won’t be wholely glad to have her sanity/lucidity restored because of the pain and trauma of having to face and deal with her memories/experience will almost certainly entail.
How Casca will express herself now initially will be really interesting to see (as we saw with her dream, parts of her wanted to return/restore her sanity, while a lot other parts didn’t) especially since I think how much/how clearly she’ll remember her post-Eclipse experiences I expect will be a significant factor in molding her initial new characterization/character interactions. I sorta expect/hope that Casca will half-remember her post-Eclipse memories, making her sorta feel like she has Deja vu interacting with Farnese and Guts’ other comrades, that she feels like she knows them emotionally even if she consciously doesn’t/can’t remember them clearly (so like Farnese would be like a comforting presence to Casca, but she doesn’t know why exactly she feels that way).

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 354
« on: February 22, 2018, 04:44:43 AM »
I'm so excited and yet anxious with expectations, and the unexpected, because for the first time in a long time I don't really know what to expect out of a character in Berserk. Just "hearing" Casca talk again will be surreal, no matter what she says, and like Griffith after his return I don't necessarily expect her to be like her old self but something new, another iteration.

Yeah that's one of the biggest things for me this event heralds, that we're really going into uncharted waters in terms of what to expect for the characters next. Like prior to this, Casca's awakening was a general plot destination/goal one could mold their suppositions around in terms of predicability. But beyond Casca be able to lucidly process her trauma now (and later revelations regarding the Moonlight Boy later down the line) there is so much unknown potential to the "what comes next" for the characters and the story.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 352
« on: December 06, 2017, 03:42:56 AM »
Awesome, nice to see the continued trend of the manga returning the first month of the season it’s scheduled to return!

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk: The Flame Dragon Knight novel
« on: October 30, 2017, 05:26:49 AM »
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-10-30/dark-horse-to-release-berserk-the-flame-dragon-knight-novel-berserk-guidebook/.123334

Apparently the novel is going to be translated and released by Dark Horse. Looks like what with this and the Guidebook English release Dark Horse is investing more into their Berserk license/publishing rights than before.

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk voice acting
« on: June 30, 2017, 06:37:39 PM »
I was also glad that they didn't bring up the Idolm@ster false rumor/fandom meme. And at least they did stare at the end that the physical/mental health rumors was only speculation. I guess that is what happens when a mangaka is private about their personal affairs, while other mangaka like Togashi and Kohske have made statements about their physical health affecting their ability to work, so the first thing fans speculate on is the mangaka's physical health (especial since the rigorous work schedule mangaka often have to endure has become more common knowledge in recent years).

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk voice acting
« on: June 30, 2017, 05:54:15 PM »
Figured this was the most appropriate place to post this news (since I wasn't sure if it warranted its own thread).
https://youtu.be/WbTd4o4ZH-M
But Kevin T. Collins lended his voice to doing a second "Did You Know Anime?" video on Berserk. It mostly covers trivia and info from relatively recent interviews and/or old interviews that were recently translated into English. Also the site is sourced a couple of times and given a special Thanks as well, which I thought was neat.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 349
« on: April 26, 2017, 03:56:13 PM »
Thanks again for posting the summary Aazealh and puella! Don't have much more to say than seconding people's excitement for what potential memories will be given focus and which will be relegated to montage. I also wonder if there will be some additional requirement/element after all the Casca doll pieces are collected and put together. Like maybe the sprite fragment will need some sort of spark in order to restore/give life to the eventually completed doll?

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk: The Flame Dragon Knight novel
« on: April 24, 2017, 06:32:57 PM »
Miura didn't just "contribute" to the story of the Dreamcast game, he wrote it entirely by himself. And he originally planned for it to tie in with the manga, but the story had evolved in a different direction by the time it caught up and so it fell into a sort of limbo (not really canon, but canon-compliant, like you said). Of note is that he also did the character design (original concept art) for all characters and enemies in the game.
Oh thanks for the clarification (I wasn't sure because the wikipedia entry of the game listed Tsuyoshi Tamai under the writing credits for the game as well).
Also I forgot/didn't realize that the Dreamcast game actually came out before Miura had finished the Conviction Arc in the manga (I wonder if fans felt the game spoiled the climax of the Conviction Arc when it came out at the time?). I wonder how much else Miura changed/revised during that period of time (late 90s/early 2000s) since wasn't there also some promotional calendar art that had Azan traveling with Guts and co.? (that also hinted at Schierke joining eventually?)

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk: The Flame Dragon Knight novel
« on: April 24, 2017, 06:18:19 PM »
Another thing this light novel reminds me of are the Fullmetal Alchemist Light Novels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fullmetal_Alchemist_light_novels) which were written by another author collaborating with Hiromu Arakawa, which while not an "official" part of the manga were still done in a way that they were canon-compliant with the manga, sorta like how the Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage story had Miura contributing to it. So maybe it'll end up of being something similar to that level of narrative significance. A story about Grunbeld Miura had a passing interest in making but didn't deem important enough to be part of the manga?

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk: The Flame Dragon Knight novel
« on: April 24, 2017, 03:06:29 PM »
If the novel is indeed a canonical in depth from Miura, perhaps the logic for not including it in the manga is that the story/information being conveyed just doesn't have a place that would naturally fit in with the narrative flow? Perhaps (again going with the assumption that this is manga-canonical/significant, and not a marketing tie-in) Miura is viewing this light novel story as serving a similar function/role as JRR Tolkien's Appendices served for The Lord of the Rings? (or like the various Gaiden novels for Guin Saga, or the many short stories Ursula K. Le Guin wrote for her Earthsea series?)

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Current Episodes / Re: Berserk Guidebook
« on: December 01, 2016, 09:49:51 PM »
Great interview. I loved his description of how Farnese's character (initially) could essentially be described as an "office lady who joined a dangerous cult". Isma being something that Miura didn't initial was also another interesting factoid, same with Miura describing Isidro as being a "Shōwa" child.
Also even though Miura described his initial/primary reasoning for keeping Casca alive after the Eclipse as "cold, calculating move" (I'm also interested to see how Puella's eventual translation differs from this one, as a few lines did read slightly awkward), I feel like he affirmed what Walter and Aazealh (and others) have been saying for while that Casca dying (or being removed from the narrative in some other manner) would effectively end, or at least greatly diminish the story's flow/emotional motivation, which, in addition to Elfhelm being hailed as major milestone for the narrative, is further evidence that should effectively quell any anxieties people might still have that Casca's restoration won't happen.

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk Musou (PS3, PS4, PC)
« on: October 13, 2016, 01:56:10 AM »
I believe they confirmed all the playable character so sk wont be playable. they cut characters on purpose, you're gonna have to wait for berserk musou 2. we might get some characters as dlc but usually the 2nd game has all that extra stuff

Huh, that's pretty odd, since don't most Musou games typically have 20+ playable characters in them?

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Speculation Nation / Re: Berserk Timeline and Character Age Analysis
« on: October 13, 2016, 01:48:12 AM »
I appreciate that, but I'm trying to keep this as digestible and concise as I can. And honestly, I don't think other characters' ages are particularly useful in determining the timeline of the series, which is what I was mostly focused on here, and why I skipped most of the ones you listed. I also tried to skip references that were redundant, only including them when they confirmed an otherwise offhand reference to time passage. And in general, I don't think the declaration of seasons is particularly informative for when things happen, except in the instances where we have no other bearing to rely on. Usually we get more descriptive time passage text that will trump the less relative ones.
Okay then, I guess I didn't consider the importance of conciseness as much you did (since I thought it would be important to note redundancies and all declarations of seasons). And the reason why I also included references to character ages was because that was originally half of my initial goal when I was first writing my initial tumblr post.

So like out of curiosity, would you at least agree that of the most recent Episodes, Guts, Charlotte, and Farnese are about 24+, 22~23, and 21+ years respectively?

Hmm, do you mean the little song that Puck sings? I don't know if I'd count that one as definitive. I think he's just singing that because it's snowing, and given that Godot's place is on a mountain, I don't feel so confident about including it.
That's fair, I suppose.

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Berserk Musou (PS3, PS4, PC)
« on: October 12, 2016, 11:04:18 PM »
if sk was playable imagine the skins he'd have, come on koei  :rickert:

That's something I'm still curious about, has it been confirmed yet that the game will not have more than the 8 playable characters announced so far? (i.e. Guts, Griffith/Femto, Casca, Judeau, Wyald, Nosferatu Zodd, Schierke, and Serpico) Because it definitely seems odd that characters as important/popular as the Skull Knight wouldn't get playable character status while less well known characters like Wyald do.

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Speculation Nation / Re: Berserk Timeline and Character Age Analysis
« on: October 12, 2016, 10:52:15 PM »
Just to be clear, it's not like linking to a page that links to scans is allowed. You can't just game the system like that.
Oh sorry about that. So just to be clear, should I edit out the link to my original tumblr post from my first post in this thread then?
 
Also, the point is to get the references without the commentary and with minimal guessing, like what Walter has just done.
The least subjective it is, the better. That's not a knock against you personally, it's just that the more one overthinks it, the less useful and pertinent it becomes.
Which is in part because, as it's been said, trivial details aren't meant to be used as consistent indications of the passage of time.
Okay, I’ll try to keep that in mind for any future suggestions/comments made that I think might be informative.

You can argue that it's not been two millennia, sure. But taken just by itself, there's nothing making 3 days more likely than 3 weeks. All we know is that some time has passed. And that's also the case for many other occurrences. Telling you this is the only reason I posted in the thread to begin with. Between two full moons shown on the page, there could have been 0 days, 29 days, or any amount of time afterwards. The indications that govern all the others are what's written on the page.
Yeah, taken just by itself it would be hard to determine whether 3 days is more likely than 3 weeks, but part of the challenge or “fun” IMO of trying to analyze the passage of time is to take such transitions into account with other statements/clues in the narrative to try to come up with reasonable guestimates (even if one ends up having more than one).

It took me an hour, using your notes as a guide, to find the right episodes. I took screengrabs of each instance for validation, but because they are scans, I won't be sharing them online.
Wow! That was a really awesome thing for you to do. And it’s very helpful in establishing a model for how to format the references in way that’s easy to read and useful.

I hope you don’t mind but I also have some additional suggestions of explicitly stated references to time passing and/or character ages, that I think could be useful to add to the reference list (as well as a couple of questions/comments of clarification for a few entries).

So the additional entries I think could also be useful would be:

Episode 8: Autumn Hunt occurs, safe to say it was currently autumn during this episode.
Episode 13: Queen of Midland: Charlotte is stated to be 16./The Falcons are deployed campaign that will end with the capture of Doldrey.
Episode 16: Casca: Casca met Griffith and joined the Falcons when she was 12.
Episode 33: Narrator: 1 month passes between the Queen of Midland’s funeral and Guts leaving the Falcons.
Episode 39: The King of Midland & Griffith: Charlotte is stated to be 17.
Episode 108: Puck: Lost Children Chapter takes place during autumn.
Episode 126: Laban: Over seven tenths of the Midland military have spent 2 years searching for Griffith.
Episode 127: Wyndham Citizens: It has been a few years since the Queen's assassination and Charlotte has not been outside the palace in the past 2 years.
Episode 129: Rickert & Erika: Haven’t had any word from Guts in 2 years/Puck: dialogue states that it is winter.
Episode 143: Holy Iron Chain Knight & Serpico: 3 years have passed since Farnese captured and burned the group of “heretics” in the holy city of the Holy See, which included Serpico’s mother.
Episode 152: [Redundant] Mozgus: Farnese’s “achievements” occurred 3 years ago.
Episode 177: Serpico: Is stated to be older than Farnese.
Episode 178: Serpico & Federico de Vandimion III: Farnese was 16 before she was sent to the monastery (and was soon assigned to lead the Holy Iron Chain Knights) and [Redundant] it’s the third winter since Serpico’s mother was burned. (therefore Farnese: 19+)
Episode 199: Morgan: Trolls first appeared and attacked Enoch Village on the first night of winter.
Episode 203: Serpico: Comments on it being winter then.
Episode 253: Serpico: It is already spring in Vritannis.
Episode 258: [Redundant] Mule: Charlotte was held amongst the enemy for “Years”. (therefore Charlotte: 22~23 and Farnese: 21+)

Episode 257: Waxing crescent moon (2 weeks since they were at the beach)
Episode 261: [Redundant] Waxing crescent moon (and just to clarify, it would be closer to almost 3 weeks (i.e. ⅝ of a month) since the beach battle with the crocodile pishaca and the single makara).

Episode 290-291: Waxing crescent moon (1 month since they departed Vritannis, or if Miura meant for it to be a waning crescent moon it would be ¾ of a month since they departed Vritannis)

Episodes 292-295: New Moon (actually just to clarify, either at least 1½ months or 2½ would have passed since the full moon of episodes 236-243, depending on the episodes 290-291 waxing/waning crescent moon interpretation)
Episode 295: New Moon (>4 weeks since full moon)

Episode 311: Roderick: The Seahorse’s previous encounter with the pirates is stated to have been “just a few days ago”/“just a few days later” (likely a couple of days since the new moon of episodes 292-295)

Episode 316: Next sighting of a full moon, meaning >1.5 months have passed since they departed Vritannis
⁵: We last see the group in the ocean being led by the merrows, at that time it had been ~2 months since they left Vritannis. But the time distance between that and their arrival on Skellig cannot known.
Actually at the time of the Seahorse’s departure from the Solitary Island (or what remained of it in episode 331) I think either 1⅜ months or 2⅜ months would have passed since it left Vritannis, and at least 2 or 3 months since the full moon of episodes 236-243 (depending on the episodes 290-291 waxing/waning crescent moon interpretation).

Episode 333: Rickert: States “it's early spring right now” when he arrives at Falconia.
Episode 341: Full moon the night of when Rickert and co. escape from Falconia
Episode 343: Guts: States “We're not even near the time of the harvest festival.”

Also for anyone curious, this is the image I use to calculate the lunar phase/month fractions

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Speculation Nation / Re: Berserk Timeline and Character Age Analysis
« on: October 12, 2016, 04:49:31 AM »
It's useful information, but it's not presented in an easily digestible fashion, and the chart doesn't list sources, so it requires us to double check every little thing. As it is, I'm probably one of the only people to bother reading half of that massive report.
Yeah, I can definitely see how it's not an easy undertaking to consume. But I actually really do appreciate that you took the time to read even half of the original post.

I take lots of notes about Berserk, too (you should see my podcast notes over the past four years, they're complete monsters...), but I don't publish them, because who would bother reading them? If you want the information to be useful to people, it should be condensed into something that can be understood at a glance. A list, a flow chart, whatever makes sense for the project. I'd recommend cutting back on the explanation and exposition and just isolate the instances when time passage or dates were explicitly stated in the manga. That would be an incredibly useful chart that could be backed up without all this back and forth.
I think maybe I will take you up on that advice and try to do that sometime in the future (though probably not the immediate future, I just finished one reread/skim through, I need to take a break before doing so again). 

That was your intent, but it leaves the impression you are insisting that events happened within an exact time frame (when for the most part, no such time frame exists in the series), requiring  you to make arbitrary decisions about what happened when, which lowers the credibility of the thing. That's why I suggested removing them -- to simplify the data you're presenting, and remove any impression of trying to assign arbitrary time frames to it.
Hmmm, well I definitely didn't mean for the visual to leave that impression, I mainly created it a visual aide (I originally wrote it out on lined paper) to help me keep my thoughts organized when writing the original post. It wasn't meant to be the main mode of conveying my analysis, it was more supposed to be an added bonus visual that I thought might be helpful for others to keep their thoughts sorted when reading the original (because as you said the original post is not very easily digestible). If I can make the time, I'll try to create a more simplified version of the chart visual.

When you said there were inconsistencies within Miura's work, my ears perked up. I was interested. What could it be, what might it imply? But then I examined what you were actually digging your fingers into, and I was completely deflated.

You're referring to the full moon as seen in the not-entirely-sane pontiff's God-Hand-influenced waking dream, right? The one where the feathers fill the room as soon as Mule and Sonia burst into his tent? I think that was a dramatic and dream-like effect (for someone who has just been illuminated by a vision from a higher being). Because what you think of as an errant crescent moon was actually seen twice (once in 257 and once in 261). Between that consistency AND the context for the pontiff seeing the full moon (a dream), I'm inclined to go with the crescent being the real one. But really... what's actually at stake in this argument...?
Huh, wow I did not realize that factoid (that the waxing crescent moon had also appeared in Episode 257 as well). I definitely agree then with you that the waxing crescent moon was likely the real one (I'll be sure make an addendum in my original tumblr post noting that change). As for what's "at stake"? nothing really, it's just an interesting detail/factoid that I think could be useful in enhancing one's understanding of the series timeline (in the small-detailed oriented sense).

It's totally understandable. But Dark Horse has been known to screw things up from time to time, and translations on SKnet during that period (pre-2006) weren't very reliable either. I was just noting it because so much of your suppositions hinged on those small lines. But as it turns out, they were right -- it's years.  (何年も).
Good know that both the Dark Horse and older SKnet translations were accurate in that regard.

And it's our role as the reviewers of your data to say that sometimes you need to step back from your data and examine the bigger picture. When Mule said 3 years, that's what Miura intended. A range of 3~4 years isn't an "inconsistency" when we're dealing with a serialized fiction, as I've said a number of times now. As much as you've undertaken (and it's quite a project!) to accurately weigh the time that has passed, at the end of the day, I think you have to admit that it amounts to fuzzy math, trying to navigate on a cloudy night with no compass. And that's all we can expect when we're in this territory.
Sure, I wouldn't disagree that it amounts to not much more than fuzzy math, but I think overall it can still produce some interesting insights. And the "fuzzy math" element was basically kinda part of the fun of doing the endeavor in a fannish sense.

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Speculation Nation / Re: Berserk Timeline and Character Age Analysis
« on: October 11, 2016, 10:22:01 PM »
It's truly a monumental effort you've undertaken -- one I've certainly never done. But I think instead of writing 22 pages (which I just discovered, btw), it may be more helpful for people to understand things if you listed the explicit times that time advanced, and what scene was associated with it as a form of reference (a month since X, says Schierke; a year since X, says narrator). I also don't think there's much value in assigning events to individual months. Laying them out in sequence makes sense, but assigning them arbitrary months makes the data look more complicated and nonauthoritative than it needs to be. But maybe you've already considered that and landed on this format anyway?
100% agreed. That would actually be much more useful and valuable. If you could provide such a listing, Theozilla, it'd be a much better use of your time. And I bet you it'd be used as a reference for years to come.
Well...what you're describing is kinda what already constituted my original tumblr post in a sense (that I linked to in my first post). I listed and discussed and linked/referenced (which is why I didn't copy-past it in its original format because I know linking to scans is against forum rules) every explicitly stated (as well as stuff I felt was implicitly stated/inferable) passage of time. It just ended up getting really long regardless. And I actually don't assign any specific month to a date in my original post either, I just listed the calendar months in the visual aide calendar-table graphic I created because I was splitting the year up into 12 months and was going with established precedence for calendar formatting (I made the graphic after I had finished writing my original post). The months December, January, and February could easily just have been labelled "Winter Month 1", "Winter Month 2", and "Winter Month 3", and so on with the other months, and it would have served the same purpose I was using them for.

Miura probably has the elements of time in his head, how old characters should be, how much time has passed since X, etc., but those things aren’t always going to line up when you start counting leaves and individual moon cycles. Blatant inconsistencies are problematic of course (though even after reading the exchange you had with Aazealh, I still don’t see anything like that), but no serial work should be expected to able to reproduce that level of consistency with time, given how fluid such a concept is in fictional works -- particularly a serial. I'll say it again, the passage of time in fiction is not an atomic clock, and shouldn't be treated as such. It is a fluid buffer for events that allows them to develop before the next event.

When Miura writes that Charlotte is 17, he’s not saying that so people will go back and start counting the times they saw the moon since the last time we heard her age. He says she’s 17 because he wants the character to have aged a distinct duration of time. Keeping track of that information, the part that has been dictated, is the only information of consequence when it comes to these things, and the only information that we can lean on with any sense of authority.
I completely agree, the passage of time in fiction is certainly not an atomic clock and shouldn't be expected to. And the level of pedantic detail I was utilizing to analyze the passage of time isn't very important (if at all) to appreciating the overall general passage of time and the big picture and appreciation of characters' growth in the narrative. But the very point of my original post wasn't to discuss the big picture ideas of the progression of time in the series, the point was to be as pedantic/detailed oriented as possible to see how precise of a guestimate I could calculate. I was basically trying to do the nerd-level equivalent of someone who wanted to piece together/arrange in a in-universe chronological order all of the various Star Wars Expanded Universe comics that took place between say Episodes IV and V. Any information beyond knowing that Episode V takes place three years after Episode IV isn't very important, but going into this level of unnecessary detail is just some fun fannish activity to do.
(and while not super important to narrative progression, I don't see how the crescent moon/full moon differences that I mentioned with in Episode 264 and 261, which take place on the same night, is not an example of a blatant (albeit relatively unimportant) inconsistency. Which again, is not meant to be taken as a sleight against Miura's storytelling ability).

I'll have to check the Japanese volumes, and I can't because I'm at work, but in general, you should know that pluralities aren't usually defined in Japanese.
Okay, but since both Dark Horse and skullknight.net translated the aforementioned lines with "years", I hope it's understandable why one would assume the plural translation was accurate/significant.

See Walter's post. I don't have time to get into the nitty gritty right now, and to no one's surprise I agree with him on this. I'd also like to point out that weather and seasons aren't nearly as clean-cut as you make them out to be, especially for people in different parts of the world. Altitude, among other things, can make a big difference.
Regarding the Volume 23 thing, I've read your portion for this, and I still don't agree. The passage of time could have been interspersed across a number of periods between Vols 22-23, during which no explicit time duration is given. You could say it's "the same winter" but we don't know. The sum of the following periods could encompass 1 month or 1 year of travels, bringing us back to the same winter, another winter or the following spring:
Well, even if you feel that parts of Volume 22 (I'll explain why I personally don't think Volume 22 fits that well) could be included among the ~1-2 years of time passed between the very start of the Millennium Falcon Arc to the Episodes where Guts and co. first encounter the trolls in the mountains/forests around Enoch Village, it seems we're a least both in agreement that the aforementioned span of Episodes is the main place where the majority of the ~1-2 years passage of time can occur.

* Between Guts and Casca traveling from Albion to Godot's place
But since Rickert stated in Episode 131 that the travel time between Godot's place and Albion was about 3 days, even with Casca's condition slowing Guts down, why should we assume it took more than a few to several days at most to return to Godot's place?
* Between Griffith departing the Hill of Swords to invading Shet

(It was likely several months, given that Miura was still intent on joining the Dreamcast game's story to Berserk's story, and this is when the game would have occurred, according to a Miura comment in YA.)

* Between Shet and the time we pan back to Guts' storyline, where he's battling possessed snowmen.
I suppose it's possible that several months could have passed over the course of the Episodes "Fierce Kushan Attack", "War Cry of the Wind (1)", and "War Cry of the Wind (2)" to the time we pan back to Guts' storyline in Episode 187 (with the snowmen), but wouldn't the fact that Miura chose to rearrange the two "Of Snow and Flames" Episodes (in which Serpico states at the end that it is the third winter (i.e. 3 years) since he and Farnese burned his mother, which matches up with Serpico's similar statements during the Birth Ceremony Chapter, meaning the "Of Snow and Flames" Episodes take place during the same winter Birth Ceremony Chapter occurred in) to be at the end of Volume 22 after the Episodes set in Shet, imply that the Shet Episodes should chronologically take place before the "Of Snow and Flames" Episodes? (which would then mean the latter 5 episodes of Volume 22 all would take place during the same winter that the Birth Ceremony Chapter took place in)
And while yes, the two "Winter Journey" Episodes 187-188, could technically take place during another winter than the one that the Birth Ceremony Chapter took place at the beginning of, I don't really see any compelling reason for why narratively we shouldn't assume that said Episodes depict Guts' first winter travels with Casca (as opposed to the second winter he's traveled with her).

* Between 195 and 196, when we pan back from Mule's perspective to Guts and his new party (in reality, this is a leap between Guts' perspective in 191 and his perspective in 196).

And that's just from focusing my attention on that portion of the series. There are probably many more time holes that could account for year(s) passing since the Kushans invaded the continent that all add up to 1+ years.
And yeah, these Episodes which are collected in Volume 23 are the ones I inferred where the majority of the 1-2 years would have to pass in. And as I already explained, I don't how there are any other holes of time after Volume 24 that could account for year(s) passing since the Kushans invaded the continent.

 
Dude... This is seriously overboard. Mule says 3 years, but you're calling foul because it could have been 3 years and a few months? This is a good example of what Aazealh was saying earlier: You're leaning too heavily on the details and not seeing the full picture Miura is painting. When the number of moons or leaves don't add up to 4 years, and Miura says otherwise, guess which one we're supposed to be paying attention to?
Yep. No one ever says "I'm 25 years and 9 months old". No one says "3 years and 4 months later". Overthinking these things leads nowhere fast.
Yeah perhaps it's not necessary to chastise him over that negligible 6 months!  :ganishka:
Well as I explained above, going that "overboard" in detail was kinda the point of my original post. And 3⅚ years ago is not exactly 3 years and a few months, it's more like 3 years and several months (like 10-11). Most people I know would round 3⅚ years up to 4 years, not round it down to 3 years ago. That's why I counted it as an "inconsistency" (which I then tried to rationalize it as maybe the dialogue was meant to refer to when Griffith "died"/escaped from Midland and/or should have been 4 years instead of 3). And to reiterate I am not trying to "chastise " Miura for anything, if I haven't made it clear enough with my self-deprecation, I fully aware of how ridiculously detailed-oriented/pedantic my analysis is/was, but seeing how detailed-oriented I could get my analysis down to was part of my original goal.

It implies time passes. Could be two hours, two weeks, two months, two centuries.
Yes, but I think one can reasonably argue some of those passages of time are are more unlikely than others (which is what my analysis was primarily concerned with inferring)

Why do you keep talking about a new moon in the night before the Blast of the Astral World? Because Elise says it'll be "a night when the moon can't be seen"? Because... like... what about fucking clouds? You can't be serious.
Because right after Elise's line, Laban says this:
Raban: If the dream these kids had is one of those oracles, most of the citizens sleeping tonight are having the same one
Raban: Though they can't believe everything, they'll keep it in their mind if something happens during the night with the new moon
That's why I keep on referring to the night before the Blast of the Astral as evidently occurring during the night of a new moon.

Episode 291 shows a crescent moon, like I've already told you. Do you seriously expect that Miura would miss such a thing? This is an example of misinterpreting a story element to an extent where it completely skews everything else.
I know Episodes 290 and 291 show a crescent moon. But what I am trying to make clear is that the type of crescent moon Miura drew in those Episodes (where the "left" side is shadowed) indicate that it is a waxing crescent moon (which would mean ⅞ of a month would have to pass to get to the next new moon) which creates an inconsistency with Roderick's statement in Episode 311. However, if Miura had actually intended for the crescent moon in Episodes 290 and 291 to be a waning one (in which case the "right" side of the moon should be shadowed), which does fit with Roderick's line in Episode 311, we can just chalk it up to a art typo error (which again, I am not trying to "chastise" Miura for).

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