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Character Cove / Re: Favorite Berserk Character Introductions
« on: March 31, 2015, 02:10:33 PM »
I think my favorite character introductions were Schierke and Farnese. I was already familiar with many of the other characters because I had watched the anime before reading the manga, so those didn't make as much of an impression on me.

I like Schierke's introduction because it made me so curious about her. It made me anticipate finding out more about this cute and knowledgeable little witch.

I like Farnese's introduction because of how my initial impression contrasted with the reality of the character. My first impression was that she was a formidable person with a lot of power. I guess it was the fancy armor and her haughty attitude. LOL Then, come to find out, she is anything but those things. She is mostly just a figurehead with no real skill and she's a very frightened and weak person (at first). This character emphasizes that a person (or group, like the Holy Iron Chain Knights as a whole) may appear very impressive on the surface, but the actuality may be a different story.

Podcast / Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Episode 60
« on: March 31, 2015, 01:19:01 PM »
Enjoyed the podcast. Thanks! The ass discussion at the beginning cracked me up!  :ganishka:

I just read through the whole series for the first time, so I'm now waiting along with everyone else. Of course I'm anticipating and very much looking forward to what comes next, but I'm glad that Miura takes his time to make this awesome. Considering the scope of the story and how much care he takes with the art and with plot and character development it doesn't surprise me. Creativity can't always be rushed. Better greatness irregularly than mediocrity at a steady pace!  :puck:

So about the translation issue we mention during this podcast, what Rochine says in Japanese is close to how DH put it, it's just that their translation is confusing. The gist of it is that she mistakes Puck for one of her pseudo-apostles and admonishes him: "Don't talk to humans, those who do are outcasts, like Peekaf. And if it's your case, you'll get punished along with the humans."

Thanks for the clarification. That makes more sense. I had found that exchange kind of weird.

Creation Station / Re: Berserk Void and Griffith cosplay
« on: March 27, 2015, 04:57:07 PM »
Wow, this looks awesome!  :ubik: You got some skills!

that's making me go "I wanna eat that Void chocolate!" ... could you imagine?

LOL! Now that would be something! I can see it now, a tasty chocolate Void peeking out of the Easter basket instead of a bunny!  :void:

Character Cove / Farnese's mother; neglectful, yet insightful
« on: March 27, 2015, 04:10:27 PM »
I found Farnese's mother to be a very interesting character. Upon my first reading through this part of the series I found her puzzling. She has been neglectful for most of Farnese's life, but then takes a seemingly sudden interest in her daughter. Farnese's mother is first introduction in volume 22 and nothing is revealed about her, except that she is a neglectful mother who has lost herself in “dissipation”. The definition of dissipation is “an idle or frivolous amusement or diversion; indulgence in pleasure to the point of harming oneself; intemperance”. So who knows what all she's been getting herself into, but I think it's likely alcoholism and dalliances with men. Since we're told that Farnese's father is basically never around, I guess that isn't too surprising.

In volume 29, when Farnese returns to her family, she is at a low point. Farnese is doubting herself and feeling lost. It's at this point that her mother shows up. Her mother gives Farnese this amazing insight into who she is, how she communicates, and how she is viewed by her father. I feel like through all these revelations she is empowering Farnese, holding a mirror up for her to see herself as she never has before; as this wild untamed creature, who is actually feared by her father, the very person Farnese herself fears the most. At this time in her life when Farnese is feeling defeated and useless these disclosures from her mother are well needed. Her mother is clearly aware that Farnese was severely neglected in her childhood. She doesn't apologize for this, but she tells Farnese how her painful past might actually be something that gives her depth and a kind of honesty she might not have had otherwise. Her mother seems to be a woman who is capable of sizing those around her up with uncommon clarity, but who keeps herself at a distance. She seems to keep herself detached in a way and I don't get the feeling that she is remorseful for her nonexistent parenting. Her mother does tell Farnese she is proud to have her as a daughter, which is probably something Farnese has never heard before. Farnese doesn't appear to hold any resentment towards her mother. Later, at the ball the conversation Farnese's mother has with Serpico also reveals her to be a woman of remarkable perception and insight. Serpico notes that she is very astute.

In volume 30 it's revealed that Farnese's mother is envious of how free a person she is. Perhaps she herself feels very trapped by the world of high society that she lives in and by a family that shows so little love for each other, but seems to be more interested in how they can use each other to their own advantage. Her mother seems to really respect the person Farnese is becoming and to genuinely wish the best for her.

I love how expansive Miura makes the world of Berserk feel. There is so much going on. Through these engaging side characters like Farnese's mother I get this cool feeling of a wide and rich world going on outside the main storyline. I just think it's pretty neat that he's able to do that. It's something I don't remember feeling when reading any other manga.

Character Cove / Re: Love in Berserk (Guts and Casca and others)
« on: March 26, 2015, 07:52:32 PM »
One thing i thought was key about Judeau is he had unrequited love for Casca, in the same way Casca had unrequited love for Griffith. I thought Judeau it goes without saying is a noble character, and I've often seen him recognized as such. While Casca was still in her mind's eye set on Griffith, Judeau was actually rooting for Guts, because of that perceptive quality you spoke of he saw something between them. Judeau being a traveling artist in the past, made it seem like he had an entertainer's persona.  He was kept happy by the happiness of others, but he had a sadness to him, that he didn't reveal once to our eyes until right before his death.

I kind of imagine that Judeau wanted Casca to be free to find her own happiness, and he wanted the same for Guts.  We saw in his last moments that Judeau was living a very self sacrificing life, which is why that one fan fic picture years ago that i saw on this forum. With judeau being pulled from this lazarus pit like pool of fire being reborn at elfhelm, was an awesome fitting picture.

Good points! I don't think Judeau was really being honest with himself in thinking that Guts and Casca getting together was "all good" with him. When they actually get together, as we were talking about before, he doesn't look too happy. He has been trying to engineer their union while stuffing down his own feelings for Casca all the while. Not sure that's healthy! If he hadn't been killed first he might have ended up going postal at some point.  :puck: I'm totally joking, by the way. Hmm, honestly if he hadn't been killed I think Judeau really just wanted Guts to take Casca away. He does demand that Guts take Casca with him when they're talking after Griffith's rescue. This as well, appears to have been motivated by a desire for Casca's good. I think Judeau knows that if Casca stayed behind and Guts left then she would be sacrificing her own life and happiness to care for the invalid Griffith and I don't think Judeau wants to see that happen to her. There he goes being self sacrificing again! Judeau was willing to be the one to bear the responsibility of caring for Griffith in the future. Beyond all that, though, Judeau might also want Casca to leave because he's sick of living in a situation where the woman he loves is so near to him, but is unattainable as far as the romantic relationship he desires. It's all interesting to ponder anyway. I love how Miura makes his characters so human and complex! Just awesome!  :guts:

Character Cove / Re: Love in Berserk (Guts and Casca and others)
« on: March 20, 2015, 05:47:01 PM »
One thing that I thought was really exceptional storytelling was the way the love scene between Guts and Casca was done. Things took a disturbing turn when Guts lost it and started choking Casca. Miura does not try to gloss over Guts' past trauma or how broken Guts is, but instead shows that he is still very much affected by his past and uses this encounter between Guts and Casca to not only bring the two characters closer together, but also as an opportunity for Guts to heal. At first Guts thinks that his behavior is unforgivable, but Casca actually hears him out and is understanding to him. Being able to finally share with someone what had happened to him and to be accepted by Casca allows Guts to heal in a big way. It brings a warmth and depth to the characters and their relationship that would have been missing if this part had been omitted. To me, the way this scene happened is genius.

Well, if Judeau had feelings for Casca it makes sense for him to be hurt when she and Guts smile to each other. He helped them get closer, this is what he wanted, but it does not make it easy to watch for him.
I completely agree. I think Judeau knew that Casca just didn't have any romantic feelings for him, but he still cares about her happiness. He wants her to find someone she can love and be loved by in return and he comes to think that this someone is Guts. Judeau seems to me to be a very observant and insightful character. In my opinion, Judeau is understanding enough to know that if the feelings just aren't there then there's no point in trying to force it, so he doesn't make a move on Casca because he believes she is simply not interested in him in that way. It seems to me that after Guts and Casca have their shared adventures before the battle for Doldrey, Judeau picks up on the shift in Casca's feelings for Guts, as I think it's after this point that he starts encouraging them to get together.

Going back to the look on Judeau's face when he sees that Guts and Casca are really together now, I think Judeau believed he was fine with it, but when he actually saw it happening it still hurt, just as Kraden said. Judeau may have thought he accepted it, but when he saw it in reality it was still painful to him, for that initial moment at least. His rational thinking and what he is feeling emotionally are at odds.  :judo:

As far as Griffith and Charlotte are concerned I get the feeling that at first Griffith was only interested in her for the possibility of advancement that being with her would give him. He saw her as just another stepping stone to his ambition. However, when Griffith sees Charlotte's strong devotion to him later in the story when they are escaping from the dungeon, I get the feeling that he is moved by it. I think it was meaningful to him, but I don't think it means he loves her.

I haven't read through all the volumes of the series yet (on volume 27) but Farnese's relationship with Guts is very interesting thus far. He has definitely brought out some strong feelings as well as a lot of soul searching in her.

Another relationship that I found intriguing was the one between Flora and Skullknight. Makes me want to know more about that one. Not sure if anything more of their history will be revealed, but it would be cool if it was.  :badbone:

My first encounter with Berserk was through the anime TV series. I suppose everyone is entitled to their own opinion and maybe for some, the Golden Age was their favorite. Having now gotten into the manga, though, I can't see how anyone who has read past the Golden Age could say that the story went downhill in any way after that. There have been so many awesome moments and I'm loving the new characters, too. I haven't finished reading through all the volumes, but so far I have thoroughly enjoyed the story post Golden Age. I'm just starting on volume 27, right after Guts first receives the magical armor that Flora gave him. This is great stuff! I have to say that Berserk is my all time favorite manga!  :ubik: I would wonder if those who say the story went downhill have actually read past the Golden Age. The Eclipse was quite upsetting, as it was supposed to be, and after seeing it in the anime I will admit that I hesitated to read the manga. I'm so glad I did, though, because I would have missed out big time! The manga does everything better than the anime did and I enjoyed the Golden Age arc that was shown in the anime much more through the manga.

Podcast / Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Episode 42
« on: March 19, 2015, 01:44:28 AM »
Well, I'm only late to the party by a little over a year, so not sure this will even be seen, but I just listened to this episode and had a few thoughts, so guess I will throw them out there anyway. I very much enjoyed your discussion, as always!  :ubik:
To me the scene where Shisu is dying and Guts is by her side is so significant in what it says about Guts' character. Not only does it show that he is brave, but also that he cares deeply for those he loves. Shisu looks hideous and terrifying with the disfigurement to her face and Guts is shown as being so frightened that he is shivering. Knowing she is dying and probably in considerable pain, Shisu herself is also afraid and alone in that moment. She calls out to the person she loves best, Guts. It shows what a selfless and bighearted person Guts is when he overcomes his fear and goes to her side in her time of need to comfort her. Every time I read through this I find it very touching.
You all were contemplating how on earth Guts could be a decent human being after all the shit he's been through. I remember learning in a psychology class that birth to 1 year is a crucial time in a person's development of trust and attachment to others. We aren't shown anything much of Guts' life with Shisu, but it is clear from the beginning that she is protective of him and since it is Guts that she calls out to on her deathbed I would think that she loved him very much. Guts probably had a reasonably loving adoptive mother in Shisu for those first 3 years of his life, so you can probably thank her, in large part, for him not being a complete sociopathic monster.  :guts:
I always thought of Gambino's dog as a comparison to Guts. Guts is like a little lost puppy following after Gambino. Through Guts' childhood he has a blind faith and loyalty to Gambino that is much like a devoted dog's to its master. In one panel Gambino is shown kicking the dog, but even though he abused it, the dog still follows him. This is just how Guts acts. Gambino has mistreated Guts many times and hasn't shown him much love, but Guts desperately wants his approval. Any scant praise that Guts receives from Gambino clearly means the world to him. This is completely understandable since Gambino is Guts' only father figure, but unfortunately Gambino is a pretty horrid person and fails miserably at being a dad.  :rickert:
Anyway, thanks for the podcasts! They are a lot of fun to listen to and you always point out something interesting or have some thoughts that I hadn't considered before.  :serpico:

Oh! One more thought on Gambino's dog. Since to me it is a comparison to Guts, I think it could be an early foreshadowing to the Beast of Darkness. The once tame, faithful dog has been twisted by pain and rage into the feral, vicious beast!  :beast:

Shootin' the Breeze / Re: Introduction
« on: February 16, 2015, 07:01:56 PM »
Ok, thank you!  :serpico:

Shootin' the Breeze / Re: Introduction
« on: February 15, 2015, 10:00:37 PM »
I'm hesitant to comment on a lot of things because I haven't finished reading the series. Once I'm caught up I think I'll feel more comfortable participating.  :???:
Can someone please tell me how to insert a picture? I see the button for "insert image", but I couldn't figure out how to get it to work. I tried copying and pasting the image where the text indicated, but nothing happened. It's probably really obvious or something. LOL  :schierke:

Shootin' the Breeze / Re: Introduction
« on: February 12, 2015, 11:45:50 PM »
Thank you and I'm looking forward to the reading the rest for sure, Aazealh. It's such a treat. Berserk is hands down the best!  :badbone:

Shootin' the Breeze / Re: Introduction
« on: February 12, 2015, 03:51:48 PM »
Hi there! I recently joined the forum also. I have been enjoying the podcasts in particular. So much fun to listen to! :ubik: I have not finished reading the series. I'm currently on volume 17. I first got into Berserk through the older version of the anime. The manga is so much better of course. Anyway, I'm happy to find a forum like this to share the interest. :guts:

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