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There's more to it than that. It's not like they were just trying to make a statement about the scene being out of character. The painted artwork on those pages are harder to cut apart, redraw, and animate than other pages normally are. There was doubt that they could do the scene without it looking/sounding silly, and it was going to be the scene that leaves the first impression for the entire motion comic so they couldn't really half ass it. It was ultimately going to take a lot of work in a project that was already taking some two years to come together, so skipping it made sense. The fact that some of the people working on it didn't like the scene anyway or thought it wasn't very important just made it that much easier to skip over.

Ah, I wasn't aware that there were practical reasons on top of that and I didn't mean to imply that they were trying to make some sort of statement by cutting the scene. All good reasons for opting to cut it.

For what it's worth, I like how they handled it. This scene gets argued about on /r/berserk and Discord all the time. I can't even begin to tell you how often I see people complaining about it giving a bad first impression or asking why Guts would do ever have sex with an apostle after what they've done to him, and blahh blahh blahh. The scene is divisive enough on its own without having some kids voice act over it while Guts is wiggling. The compromise they made was to allude to its existence without showing it in full. That would be acceptable to me in a full fledged anime with a studio and a budget, so I definitely don't mind that this unpaid fan adaptation did it.

That wasn't the intention. The intention was originally just to do voice acting over the manga pages. As they worked on it, they realized it would be boring unless they did more to it, and so they decided to start making it into a motion comic and the project grew. From there they had to make a lot of decisions about how they would proceed. None of the people who worked on episode 1 are professionals at all -- some aren't even in college yet. They were doing their best to figure out how to even make this thing happen at all, so being 100% authentic to the manga wasn't their biggest concern.

That scene aside, I like how this thing turned out. I was really impressed with how much work they did, especially considering the background of the project. A lot of love and care went into this and it was fun to watch. Future episodes are going to be increasing in production quality too, so I'm excited to see where this goes.

I agree completely. Studio Taka put a lot of hard work into this and they deserve all of the praise and attention their project is getting. Which is why it baffles me that the omission of a single scene is getting so much attention rather than the amount of care and hard work that have gone into the finished product. At the end of the day, these are good fans that love the story just as much as anyone else working on something for the rest of the community. And they're only going to get better as time goes on.

Who deemed it out of character for Guts? The members involved in the production of this project or the community as a whole?

Well, the former in the case of it being cut from the Motion Comic. Although it is one of the more polarizing events in the story for a large part of the community.

I'm asking because it's the first time I've heard of it. I personally feel it's just as important a bit of Berserk as any other, and it plays its part in representing Guts' condition at the time. Even if you don't agree with that, it also serves the role of a shocking (for lack of a better word) introduction from a storytelling perspective, so it's not completely purposeless. I see no good reason why it should be left out.

I think that whatever part it may or may not play in examining Guts' mental state at the time comes at the expense of flying in the face of his characterization that is expounded upon later in the story. At the time, Miura didn't have Casca in mind so their relationship was a non-factor, and he may not have had Guts' rape by Donovan in mind or the impact that would have on Guts, namely his aversion to intimacy and of physical or sexual contact (even in the same episode he reacts angrily when Puck makes to touch him in the prison cell, although this could just as easily be attributed to his distrust of others after being betrayed by Griffith and losing his friends).

For that reason alone I think it is a fine decision for it to be cut from the adaptation. As it stands, its only purpose in the story to begin with is to shock the reader right off the bat and hook them into the story. It doesn't bother me too much in the manga since it's only a few pages in the beginning, but I don't think it is anything necessary to the story that would make an adaptation worse for excluding it.

First of all, it would be good if they didn't cut out too many parts. I can understand that the first couple panels of the story are not exactly enchanting, but it's integral to keep everything if the purpose is to recreate an authentic experience, even the sensitive parts, especially the sensitive parts.

That scene wasn't cut because of it containing sensitive material. It was cut because it was deemed to be out of character for Guts and to not add much to the story anyway. They don't intend to censor any and all sensitive material in the story.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 357
« on: August 21, 2018, 03:32:18 PM »
Considering that a number of Griff's crew could at least fly, and potentially transport others quickly that way, I think it holds the biggest potential for Guts' side since before they'd have to take volumes traveling by ship and even then finding a way through the wilderness of Fantasia to somehow bypass Falconia's layers of defenses... now they could potentially just appear in Griffith's tree trunk throne room! :guts: Granted, that's just potential, whereas Griffith now already has license to show up anywhere, anytime now.

Definitely. This opens up quite a few possibilities for the direction of the story. Means of travel and travel time could potentially no longer be a barrier for future plot developments. As far as Guts' side of things is concerned, at one point I considered the possibility of the group sailing the Seahorse across the branches of the World Spiral Tree as their next means of travel post-Skellig. Would be an interesting spectacle at the very least, and would allow Roderick to bring the Seahorse with him.

There isn't any real basis for that happening, but I think it would be pretty cool.  :griffnotevil:

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 357
« on: August 21, 2018, 03:15:03 PM »
Fast travel unlocked. :griffnotevil:

Indeed. This actually opens up so many possibilities where travel may have been a barrier. The biggest one perhaps being how Griffith and the Falcons could have reached Skellig. Whereas before it may have seemed a bit impractical for them to march and sail all the way to the island in a world that is already overwrought with violent astral creatures, now they could reasonably go there whenever they wanted, without much effort and with minimal travel time.

Of course, that's putting the cart before the horse as we don't really have a clearly defined motivation for such an attack. But it is an interesting possibility.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 357
« on: August 21, 2018, 02:31:44 PM »
As expected, it looks like we will be getting the aftermath to the battle against the Jotunn with the Falcons making their return to Falconia.

1. Wicked spread of Griffith Zodd, and Grunbeld after their defeat of the Jotunn. They almost look like a superhero team. :serpico:

2. Looks like Griffith will perform another one of his rituals for the soldiers who fell during the battle.

3. The Falcons appear to be traveling back to Falconia via the branches of the World Spiral Tree. Not unlike the Moonlight Boy did the last time we saw him. Could this be another hint that Griffith and the Boy are one and the same? Either way, this is the most interesting thing about the new episode so far. It opens up the possibility of the Falcons using the branches to reach Skellig, and could also potentially provide a new means of travel for Guts and the party other than another ride on the Seahorse.  :slan:

4. Griffith appearing to congratulate Sonia on her assistance during the battle. I love their interactions and the genuine fondness Griffith seems to impart on her.

5. And we're back to Falconia. If we don't learn the context behind this recent battle in this episode, we surely will soon. And Griffith and Charlotte's wedding may be looming close. From there, the coronation. And from there? Who can say?

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356 part II
« on: May 28, 2018, 12:24:49 PM »
What are you guys going to do for the podcast this month? Will you do another volume re-read since this monthís release is so short, and simply cover the second half of 356 in that?

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: May 01, 2018, 08:45:48 PM »
I speculated on a bad ass steam-punk style mechanical suite that would allow him to 1 v 1 apostles but that's perhaps a little over the top...

Just a bit lol.

I actually donít know if weíll see Rickert until after the timeskip. I would like for Rickert to have his own journey with his own party of companions (Erika, Silat, Daiba, etc.) going forward, parallel to Griffith/Falconia and Guts/Casca. Either we see him immediately after or during this next sequence of episodes, or it will be after Guts and the party leave Skellig, when a timeskip has already taken place. I think it could work either way.

Maybe we switch back to Rickert just long enough to establish the setting of the Bakiraka village where he will have a safe place to live for a few years, or maybe we follow his journey through Fantasia to get to the villlage, with him serving as another set of eyes for the state of the world after the blast. But I could also see Rickertís story being put on ice for a while until the events in Elfhelm are wrapped up.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 27, 2018, 03:11:10 AM »
Lets focus on the fascinating speculation, not something lame like Griffith trying to legitimize midland or something boring as hell like that. What is this, 1998? The golden age is over. Time to embrace the future, Archer.  :puck:

Like I said, it goes beyond restoring Midland to its former glory. The God Hand want to influence humanity, and I believe that giving them a greater purpose in reclaiming the world and a greater enemy in Fantasia ties into that. As far as the God Hand wanting to destroy more of the Spirit Trees and wipe out astral beings and magic users that arenít affiliated with their faction, then I could definitely see both of those things being bigger steps in their plan or secondary objectives. But to me, it seems as though their ultimate goal involves shaping and controlling the future of the human race. Rebuilding human civilization in their own image to suit their own ends doesnít sound like much of a stretch to me.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 26, 2018, 11:28:30 PM »
I find your argumentation quite puzzling. It sounds ludicrous to me to say Griffith "is trying to do things traditionally" or that he "didn't just take the throne". Like, what? People are living in a giant futuristic city littered with Falcon imagery and Griffith rules over it like a god-king. He commands monsters. People come to watch him bring souls back from the dead at funerals. I think he's got plenty of legitimacy. Let me quote a line from Locus in episode 335, about the divine right of kingship: "the throne is given by the holy hand of God. So a random person is not allowed to covet it." That's what's going on here. The idea that marrying Charlotte is a big deal to solidify Griffith's position is simply laughable. It feels more an item on his checklist of things to have.

Yeah, and that's the point. He could have taken the throne whenever he wanted to and very few would complain. But he is still doing things legitimately. He is marrying Charlotte for her claim. He is having a coronation ceremony. The reason he is even bringing back these souls from the dead to have a final visit with their loved ones is for PR. That's what all of this is. It's PR. He doesn't want to simply take the throne and be done with it. He wants to keep putting on a show and keep the public in acclaim of him. Part of that is being a borderline religious figure associated with the Holy See. Part of that is being a physical god who leads an army of demons and can perform miracles. Part of that is being the Hero of Midland who had saved the country from both Chuder and the Kushan Empire. And a part of that is becoming king through legitimate means rather than simply taking the power for himself. That's why he is even still marrying Charlotte in the first place. Taking back the territory of Midland that had been lost to Fantasia before becoming king? In this scenario, that would be PR as well, and from there a springboard for whatever his next move is.

Falconia is not just populated by former Midland inhabitants, it has Kushans and likely people from other countries as well. It's mankind's last bastion. You see Griffith as a man who merely wants to rule an old country while he's a supernatural entity who has brought forth a new world and created his own place to rule in the process. And his goals as a member of the God Hand most-certainly extend beyond just "being king" of some place.

He obviously has loftier ambitions than ruling Midland. Which is another part of what I'm saying that you don't seem to understand. I'm not suggesting that the God Hand's motivation is to retake Midland. Their goal clearly involves influencing what's left of humanity in some way. The reclamation of Midland and other foreign nations from the creatures of Fantasia is a part of that. It gives the people of Falconia a unifying purpose and enemy through which they can be manipulated. And any peoples rescued and nations reclaimed would be assimilated into Griffith's kingdom (or empire at this point). So it would be better to say that he wouldn't be restoring Midland to its former glory, but assuming kingship of Midland as the start of something brand new. And by the end, maybe he has what is left of humanity under his wing and all those who had refused to bend to him destroyed. The endgame is all of humanity under the God Hand's influence, and the creation of a new world order with themselves in control of everything.

That's right, the God Hand is all about giving people hope that better days are ahead! And these super powerful archdemons wouldn't want people to view them as illegitimate for not having enough agrarian land... (I am being sarcastic)

Well, like I said, the idea is to feed off of this "hope" (it would be better to call it a "sense of purpose" actually, maybe it was a poor choice of words on my part) to influence them. As in they would view the reclamation of Midland territory as motivation to do the same for the rest of the world. And of course, all of the territory they "free" from Fantasia would be assimilated into Griffith's "kingdom." So it isn't like they would want more "agrarian land" for the purpose of having land. They would want more humans to influence and territory to influence them from.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 26, 2018, 08:18:33 PM »
That scenario seems quite unlikely to me for a variety of reasons. I don't think Griffith intends to "retake" Midland or anything else. Midland doesn't exist anymore. I would also say that Falconia itself is enough of a kingdom as it is, and that Griffith isn't waiting on having a certain amount of square kilometers under his rule before he's OK with getting a crown. Similarly, I don't think Griffith's (or the God Hand's, or the Idea of Evil's) plans are merely to conquer a certain amount of land.

I'd say it would be more about acquiring legitimacy than fulfilling some big part in the God Hand's plan. That's why he is still marrying Charlotte for her claim and didn't just take the throne as soon as Falconia appeared and there was no place else for his subjects to go. He is still trying to do things traditionally and legitimately because the appeal of the public is a big part of what the God Hand are planning.

On that note, I would contest you on the idea that the kingdom of Midland doesn't exist anymore. Sure, it may not exist as it was before, and may have been swallowed up by Fantasia along with most of human civilization. But the idea of Midland still exists. That was why Griffith went out of his way to save so many Midland nobles and citizens in the first place. Rescuing Charlotte, saving the Midland nobles in Vrittanis, sending that dream to the children in Wyndham to save them from Ganishka's second transformation... all of this was to gain legitimacy as the savior of Midland. Charlotte herself even claims that the Band of the Falcon is now the official army of Midland, which led the charge during the war against the Kushan. That's also why he is still marrying Charlotte, for her claim to the throne of Midland, to foster a sense of legitimacy to his rule. He isn't becoming King of Falconia, he is becoming King of Midland.

On the topic of Falconia being the extent of his new kingdom, I highly doubt that. Gaiseric's lost city of Midland wasn't the extent of his empire, it was his glorious, capital city. I feel that's the same thing Falconia is meant to be. It is the heart and pride of Griffith's kingdom, but it isn't meant to be the extent of it.

As for why Griffith or the God Hand would care about conquering a certain amount of land, it would probably be for the same principle as marrying Charlotte. To give his rule a sense of legitimacy by actually having all or most of Midland under his wing, as well as to give hope to the people of Falconia that the situation of the world could be fought against and triumphed over, which the God Hand could make use of to further influence them for their future plans.

Of course, this is just one idea of why this battle is taking place. It could be something as simple as a scouting expedition. But I think the fact that this battle is even taking place at all is enough to suggest that Griffith's goals lie beyond Falconia. Maybe retaking Midland is only another step, and from there Griffith could begin conquering other countries that are suffering from Fantasia's effects, bringing even more humans under his influence.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 356
« on: April 26, 2018, 06:53:36 PM »
Does anyone have any thoughts about what the context of this battle is? They most likely aren't defending Falconia from these giants, as the Wing Stones should be able to keep these monsters at bay. It could be a scouting expedition, but the battle seems much too organized and planned out for this to be a simple run-in with these creatures. My own thoughts were that this could perhaps be part of a larger campaign to retake Midland territory from the monsters of Fantasia. That way, Griffith could actually have his kingdom before his coronation.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 23, 2018, 10:54:41 PM »
No, I agree with you. I've said so many times before: I believe Casca's restoration will fundamentally alter the group dynamics, and everyone will be affected to some extent. Farnese most of all, of course, but not only. I think it's also time Serpico gets out of his funk, for example.

I had the same thought. There is plenty of room for Serpico to grow as a character with his emancipation from Farneseís service as her protector. Casca has been in a similar position when she had devoted her life to being Griffithís sword. Even though there situations were quite a bit different from one another, I think it would be really cool if Casca were to have a talk with Serpico about he value of finding something for oneís self rather than devoting oneís life to another ultimately played a part in kickstarting his next character arc (along with Farnese herself releasing him from her service of course). There is a lot of potential for a really cool relationship between Casca and Serpico.

I also really want there to be some sort of relationship between Casca and Isidro. Isidro is my favorite character in the series, and his development in Vrittanis was the peak of his character IMO. I loved how his childish view of the path of a swordsman was challenged by interactions with Mule, and his bearing witness to the duel between Guts and Serpico. His idealization of the life of a mercenary/swordsman will no doubt be challenged in the future, and I could definitely see Casca playing a part in helping him grow and deal with these things as he encounters them. Sort of like a big sister, or another role model alongside Guts.

I for one would like it to be Casca in that dress. After so long, she deserves it.

What if itís a parallel cover to Volume 20? Only this time with a brighter aesthetic and Casca wearing her dress. Instead of holding the winged baby, she would be holding her heart covered in thorns. And instead of her eyes being closed, they are slightly open as if she were awakening from a sleep.

Character Cove / Re: What Apostle/Creature did you like the best?
« on: March 12, 2018, 02:43:33 PM »
As for least favorite, I gotta say Wyald. I don't hate anything in Berserk, but I'm close on him. He kind of just felt like a hat on a hat. The '97 anime and film trilogy both cut him and I'd say it really adds to the impact of the Eclipse. In my humble opinion.

The Wyald sequence is great for several reasons.

For one thing, itís the first time Guts manages to defeat an Apostle, which is a significant accomplishment. The sequence contrasts quite a bit with his first encounter with Zodd, where he was shaking in fear and hardly able to do anything against him. We see his training and progress throughout the series as he achieves victory by becoming the 100-Man Slayer and killing Boscone, but Wyald was his final test before the Eclipse. The initial Zodd encounter was about pointing out how ďweakĒ Guts was and served as his motivation to become stronger, while the Wyald encounter was all about showing the fruits of Gutsí labor as he finally stands up to and defeats an inhuman monster. This paved the way for his future as the Black Swordsman.

We also get quite a few really good character moments during the Wyald sequence. Griffith reaching for his sword to fight alongside his soldiers, but being unable to grip it as it falls to the ground. Casca tearfully yelling at Judeau about how Guts always has to stay and fight, and that itís okay for him to retreat when the odds are so heavily stacked against him. Griffith gritting his teeth hard enough to draw blood as his friend is brutalized by Wyald. The wholesome scene in the wagon where Guts helps Griffith put on his armor and tells him itís okay for him to take off his mask when itís just the two of them.

I would also argue that the Wyald sequence doesnít detract from the Eclipse, it reinforces the gravity of the situation. Only recently one Apostle gave them so much trouble, and now they are surrounded by dozens of them (if not more than a hundred). It makes their situation seem all the more bleak and hopeless.

Video Games / Re: What Are You Playing?
« on: March 02, 2018, 08:49:44 PM »
Star Wars: Battlefront II... and I feel guilty that I even impulse bought it on sale, then tried to return it but missed the deadline. :farnese:

In the days of my childhood I used to play the original Battlefront II on my PlayStation 2 with my younger brother against AI opponents. Those were good days!

Lately I've actually begun playing InFamous for the first time ever on PlayStation 3. I bought both games for around $11 at GameStop and so far I think they're a good edition to my PS3 collection.

Speculation Nation / How much do we know about the World of Ideas?
« on: February 11, 2018, 04:38:40 PM »
I know the concept is derived from Plato's theory of forms, but what role does it play in relation to the other two worlds (the Physical World and the Astral World)? Schierke refers to it as "the soul of the origin of all existence." Does this mean that all things/concepts/objects in the Physical and Astral Worlds are just derived from their original forms in the World of Ideas? Does the Idea of Evil reside in the Abyss or the World of Ideas, or do the two overlap? Is it possible the World of Ideas will tie into the God Hand's plan in some way, such as merging the World of Ideas with Fantasia (for example)?

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