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Speculation Nation / Re: How much do we know about the World of Ideas?
« on: February 11, 2018, 08:49:10 PM »
The Egg talks pretty clearly about how the incarnation of Femto will be the bridge between the old world and the new. And we already know what that new world is. Creating Fantasia was already the series' biggest spectacle. I don't see Miura doing that all over again, particularly for something where the stakes are unclear and unexplored.

As cool as that would be.  :sad: I think he could definitely do it, but it would certainly be a tall order. At the same time, I can't imagine how difficult it would be to capture a change on the world of that scale. We don't even know what sort of effect that would have.

So do you personally want Miura to elaborate upon the World of Ideas? I've been a bit obsessed with the concept and how it pertains to the larger Berserk universe lately.

Speculation Nation / Re: How much do we know about the World of Ideas?
« on: February 11, 2018, 07:28:49 PM »
Wow, thanks for answering so quickly. I'm going to look at each of your responses and respond based off of the information you give me. Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding things or overreaching.

This is a bad translation. What she calls it is "the spirit that is the source of existence". Because it's in Japanese, there can be variations, for example "spirit" and "soul" are both correct, and "source" and "origin" are also both appropriate. Existence could also be replaced by "beings". However Miura does go out of his way to use words that relate to water for these things, hence why "source" is preferable here. Of note is that in the name "Idea of Evil", the kanji for "Idea" has the same meaning: source/origin. And since we're at it, I can't help but remind those who don't know that "idea" in this context is a Greek word and pronounced the Greek way: ee-deh-ah.

That's very interesting to know. If I'm understanding Plato's theory correctly, then these "forms" or "ideas are the "perfect" representation of their more flawed or imperfect counterparts, correct? If that is the case, then does that mean the Idea of Evil is the source of a "perfect" evil? And since humans were the ones who created the Idea of Evil to grant "meaning to their suffering, then are these "ideas" created to be something beyond the thoughts/imaginations of humans? As in, are these "perfect ideas" beyond the limitations of human conception, and so created to be perfect based off of humanity's flawed perception of the idea? I know we don't have enough information about the World of Ideas to really speculate too far along these lines, but am I understanding the theory of ideas correctly?

The Idea of Evil resides in the Abyss. And I think it's safe to say that the Idea of Evil is part of the World of Ideas. However, how that works is currently unknown and tricky to get into. Is the great ocean of souls part of the World of Ideas? Is it its surface or a gateway to it? Or is it the World of Ideas itself in its entirety? We don't know. We also don't know really the details of how the World of Ideas relates to the Astral and Corporeal worlds.

Yeah, my line of thinking was that the Abyss where the Idea of Evil resides could have been an "overlapping" between the Astral World and World of Ideas, similar to how the Physical and Astral Worlds can overlap with the Interstice and Road of Elves. But maybe I'm looking at the World of Ideas' existence all wrong. Magic-users know of its existence, but it's unknown if they are able to interact with it in any way, and if so what limitations they have in that regard. Personally, I find it unlikely that magic-users can interact with it in the same way they can the Astral World, if only because we haven't gotten any further elaboration on it since its initial passing mention. But then the question arises of how they even know about its existence in the first place. Maybe it isn't another "tangible world" on the same level as the other two parts of Berserk's macro-cosmic trinity, but is instead only represented by these "ideas" which it concerns. But all we can do is speculate at this point. I hope we receive more elaboration on it in the future.

I think it's above their pay grade. The one pulling the strings is the Idea of Evil.

When you say it's above their pay grade, do you mean that they aren't significant enough to have any sort of ability to interact with the World of Ideas? And when you say the Idea of Evil is the one who is pulling the strings, do you mean to say that only it would be capable of accomplishing anything involving the World of Ideas? If so, how would you imagine that happening? My understanding of the Idea of Evil is that its manipulation of causality was only extended to creating the lineages that would produce in every human the necessary qualities to play a part in its grand design, as well as bestowing "evil power" upon the Apostles and God Hand. Aren't the God Hand the ones who are physically executing its will, as well as the will of humanity's subconscious collective desire?

For a followup question, I was wondering if you believe the World of Ideas will be elaborated upon or play a part in the story in the future, and if so do you have any predictions or speculations about what that part will be? I have heard some speculate that the God Hand would want to further transform the world by "merging" the World of Ideas with Fantasia. Maybe this would be the "perfect world" that the Egg Apostle desired to create by birthing Griffith's new vessel. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Speculation Nation / How much do we know about the World of Ideas?
« on: February 11, 2018, 04:38:40 PM »
I know the concept is derived from Plato's theory of forms, but what role does it play in relation to the other two worlds (the Physical World and the Astral World)? Schierke refers to it as "the soul of the origin of all existence." Does this mean that all things/concepts/objects in the Physical and Astral Worlds are just derived from their original forms in the World of Ideas? Does the Idea of Evil reside in the Abyss or the World of Ideas, or do the two overlap? Is it possible the World of Ideas will tie into the God Hand's plan in some way, such as merging the World of Ideas with Fantasia (for example)?

Podcast / Re: SkullKast: Episode 92
« on: January 29, 2018, 06:36:50 PM »

Segue has to be the key phrasing because I don't think Casca's dream world is the time to be broaching the Beast conflict within Guts.

Yeah, the more I think about it the more I agree that now might not be the best time to follow through on that plot thread. I had a similar discussion on the episode thread, and I think it would be a bit better if Guts and Casca talked about it themselves after this dream sequence is over.

Yes, but it also gave a pretty specific framing for when it would come back. The Beast hinted that it will resurge after his friends are killed, not that it will kill his friends.

Yeah, of course. I don't think there is going to be a second Eclipse or anything of that nature, nor do I think Guts is going to regress back to his Black Swordsman Arc personality. I was just pointing out that his struggle with the Beast is far from over. I think a death or tragedy within the party of some kind will be what brings about the return of the Beast. I also think the fact that Guts even has that thought to begin with illustrates that he is afraid something will still go wrong and he will go off like a bomb to do something truly horrible. He is at least afraid of the possibility of doing harm to Casca and the party. I don't think it will go that far, but I am almost certain something bad will come of it.

Again, I'm not sure I follow you here. What do you mean by confronting Guts about it? Is this going to be like an Intervention episode?

Well I don't know about an intervention haha. I was thinking something along the lines of Farnese and/or Schierke demanding an explanation, and after being given one, to want to help Guts overcome it. Actually, you know that sounds exactly like an intervention... Well, the gist of it was I thought a new avenue for the Beast of Darkness to be explored could be opened up by the party or someone in the party forcing Guts to give an explanation. But as I said above, this could be done by Casca alone as well. After all, this is really between her and Guts, not anybody else.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 353
« on: January 29, 2018, 05:55:26 PM »
Something that's kind of obvious but I haven't mentioned so far: Casca might have felt the corruption of her son through her Brand. Imagine how awful that would be... That could have happened during the rape or at some point afterwards e.g. while unconscious, before she first woke up in the cave).

Wow, really? No offense but that's a strange way to approach it... I mean like you say you've since realized, this whole venture isn't about that at all, it's about Casca, her trauma and trying to bring her back. And the secondary aspect, which is not to be overlooked, is giving Farnese and Schierke a window into who Casca really was, her relationship with Guts and Griffith, and what broke her. That will allow them to relate to her and become her friends after she's back. It also further puts an end to Farnese's little crush on Guts (which I think will effectively end at some point not long after Casca wakes up), which is another step in her personal development.

Yeah, haha. To defend myself a bit, I think my thought process at the time wasn't too divorced from logic. Farnese and Schierke (the two people who are arguably the closets to Guts and admire him the most) were going on a journey into Casca's subconscious to help her deal with her trauma. The event in question was something of a turning point for Guts' character where here realized that he couldn't defend Casca alone from both the spirits the chased them and himself, so he decided to begin traveling with companions again. But that moment itself is kind of special in that literally no one else has any knowledge of it. Not even Puck, who has seen Guts do all sorts of bad things when they were traveling together alone. And in my head, I never really saw the moment of Farnese and Schierke learning of this fact as the primary conflict of the dream sequence, but as a sideshow which they would put in the back of their minds until they could confront Guts about it in person. I thought it would be a great way for Guts to finally be forced to tell everyone about the Beast of Darkness and lead to something where everyone wants to help him deal with that.

But after thinking about it a bit, I think it would be more fitting if only Casca herself was the one to talk with Guts about it. It still brings about the same result, but frees up this dream sequence to continue focusing on Casca, her trauma, and her healing process. I agree that there really isn't any reason to focus on all this stuff at once when there is plenty of time for them to talk about it later.

Podcast / Re: SkullKast: Episode 92
« on: January 29, 2018, 05:18:44 PM »
Thanks man, whew, speedy listener!

I don't think it's necessary for the group to see Guts in that moment of weakness, for which he's already paid community service for (Enoch troll cleanup duty counts, right?). In all seriousness, I donít think Miura wrote that scene to color Guts as a sexual abuser, but to demonstrate how desperate the situation was when it was just him and Casca on the journey, and how close Guts came to losing everything. It was a terrible moment on his otherwise stoic journey. Guts knows that, and it's why he agreed to have companions.

Oh yeah, of course not. My intention wasn't to imply that Guts must face any sort of punishment for his actions, or even that the party will come to hate him for performing them. But I don't think the entire purpose of that scene was for Guts to realize that he couldn't travel alone and protect Casca from himself. I think the point of that scene was to Guts have the closest brush with his dark side that he's ever had and to realize just how dangerous he could be to the people close to him if he loses control. Sure, his decision to begin traveling with companions again was a direct result of this realization, but the most important thing about this scene is to establish the real, tangible danger of the Beast of Darkness.

My idea was that the party becoming aware of Casca's assault would serve as a segue into them learning about Guts' struggle with the Beast of Darkness. They know Guts has been through a traumatic experience (though only Schierke and Puck know the specifics), but they don't know about his struggle with the Beast. While I think Guts has definitely become possessed of a much healthier mindset since he began traveling with his new companions, I also highly doubt his struggle with the Beast of Darkness is over just yet (in fact, his last internal "dialogue" with it suggests he knows those dark feelings will rear their head again in the future). The foreshadowing surrounding the Beast is very ominous, and I am almost certain it will be something Guts and the party have to deal with in the future. Which is why I thought them learning about the assault and confronting Guts about it would be a good way to advance that subplot (although Casca alone being the one to do so would also be acceptable).

Going back to the scene itself, I think it is also significant that not even Puck--who has seen Guts do terrible things before--was present for Casca's assault. He was even conveniently given a different reason for Casca's distrust of Guts when he was possessed by spirits and strangled her so he wouldn't suspect any other reason (not to imply that was the only purpose of that scene). Guts' assault was an intimate moment between himself and Casca. It's a dark secret that no one else knows about. So while I will relent that Farnese and Schiekre don't necessarily have to learn about it, I do believe that Casca at least has to confront Guts about it, for better or worse. Again, not that I expect her to hate him for it. But a bit of anger, betrayal, and concern for his well-being would be about what I expect.

Sorry for hijacking this thread, I know this is offtopic. You can delete this if you want to, I just wanted to offer my own perspective on this subject.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 353
« on: January 29, 2018, 01:36:08 PM »
Now another possibility that occurred to me is that maybe she lost her mind precisely because she couldn't love her son, knowing what he was. Much like Guts himself struggled to accept him (euphemism of the year). Maybe she could love him only because she was broken, and maybe in a way that's the purpose her broken mind served. Maybe that's why it happened. That would also (conveniently) provide an easy way for her to return, if the girls can communicate to her that things have changed or something.

Just food for thought.

Now that is an interesting thought. Especially since we all pretty much assume that Casca will be the one who will want something to be done about her child. I think it would be fantastic if Casca's feelings towards her child were just as complicated as Guts' were, but in her own way.

As for your other points, I understand and agree with what you're saying to a point. I do think that rushing through all of these things at once would be a bit problematic and lessen the narrative weight they should have on their own. I think I'm just letting my own opinions and view of the story color what I expect to actually happen. When I first learned that Farnese and Schierke (two people who love and admire Guts) would be going on a dream quest into Casca's subconscious, then it just seemed obvious to me they would be seeing these things. "Of course they're going to see Guts' assault. why wouldn't they?" It was the perfect scenario, the perfect two characters to see it happen firsthand so it could color their perception of Guts. To me it just makes sense to show it now.

But as I've thought about it over the past year or so, I've come to realize this sequence isn't really about that. It isn't about Farnese and Schierke gaining some form of knowledge that makes them rethink the sort of person Guts is. Nor is the point of this sequence really to drop a big bombshell about the Demon Child. This sequence is about Casca, her trauma, and her coping with that trauma. This is her healing process and anything that gets revealed should be focused on howshe feels about those things.

All that being said, I do still think we could have these reveals during this sequence without detracting from their individual impact. It all depends on the execution and the pacing. If this sequence lasts a few more episodes to properly explore Casca's feelings on these topics, then yeah I could see them working. But as for cramming all of this stuff into a single episode or two, no, I don't believe that will happen, nor do I think it would give any of these moments the impact they each deserve.

Podcast / Re: SkullKast: Episode 92
« on: January 29, 2018, 12:56:33 PM »
Hey guys! Great episode this month! In fact I was just saying on the r/berserk Discord server that if I wasn't already excited for next month's episode, the SkullKast has definitely fired up my interest. I genuinely cannot wait to see what the nature of that final memory fragment is!

My own predictions at the beginning of this journey in Casca's  mind last year were that we would be seeing Casca's post-Eclipse memories at some point as well, but with the last two episode I was beginning to think this journey wouldn't be dealing with them. With the reveal of the Demon Baby though, I agree that there may be something special about this final memory fragment. I had also fallen in with everyone else by assuming that Casca was already aware of everything that was happening in spite of her insanity, but after this episode of the SkullKast I'm beginning to second guess myself. If that is the case, then how will Casca's perception of Guts change, if at all? Of course, as you said, it's important that the focus remains on Casca. This is her moment after all, not Guts'. But at the same time I feel that those post-Eclipse memories that the rest of Guts' Band haven't seen (particularly those to do with Casca's child and Guts' sexual assault) are things that the rest of the party needs  to become aware of at some point, and this would be a really good time for that.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 353
« on: January 29, 2018, 12:29:26 AM »
Not to nitpick, but the child as we see him here is "only" the symbol that will trigger the memories. I would be very surprised if the actual scenes contained within were only focused on him, without featuring what led to his creation: Casca's rape by Femto. I'm repeating myself but the rape is the event that actually broke her mind and that informs everything that's been going on in this dream.

Do you believe we could be getting any post-Eclipse memories with this last fragment? There are some things that I believe would be a waste for Farnese and Schierke to not become privy to, most notably Guts' sexual assault on Casca before he began traveling with the party (something that not even Puck has knowledge of). I also believe things such as the Demon Child's birth, it's rescue of Casca that began the Incarnation Ceremony, and her reaching out to Griffith when she sensed her child had merged with his new body would also be worth showing. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Podcast / Re: SkullKast: Episode 91
« on: January 29, 2018, 12:21:24 AM »
I don't think we're going to dedicate an episode of the podcast to barytes for now, but we talked about it on episode 78 of the podcast, if that helps.
I also have a half-written post about it from... *checks* a year and a half ago that I need to finish. :farnese:

Thanks! I actually did listen to that part of the episode already, and I loved the thoughts you guys shared about it. I would definitely be interested in discussing that barytes topic whenever you manage to finish that post of yours.

Podcast / Re: SkullKast: Episode 91
« on: January 28, 2018, 06:30:08 PM »
Hey Walter. I don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but I was wondering if I could suggest you guys to do an episode about barytes, and theorizing what their relevance in the future of the story could be. They're a pretty interesting concept that came as something of a curveball to me when they were first introduced, and I'd love to hear some more of your predictions concerning them.

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