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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 24, 2018, 08:23:36 PM »
:ganishka: Okay despite the fact that I'd like an actual reason from somebody, I have to give it to ya, thats really funny haha

I won't continue rambling on about his hair or anything since it ultimately is pretty trivial but like I said I do take consistency seriously so Im a bit in disbelief at the notion that Miura would've given him black hair on the volume cover as a simple mistake, especially since he was also working on the guidebook where that mistake isn't present.

Well, if it was something he did all the time it wouldn't just be a mistake, and like I said, it's been 30 years! I mean, Miura and his poor scapegoated assistants are drawing a metric ton of shit and a lot of detail in it on a schedule, so there's going to be some inconsistencies akin to visual typos (and sometimes they even get corrected or redrawn in the volume releases, among other additions and changes). I mean, if the hair thing is bugging you must be aware of Casca's disappearing/reappearing boots from episode 189, yes!? Oh, it'll drive you nuts! :ganishka: How about Guts' infidelity with a freakin' Apostle in the first pages back when Casca was likely just a twinkle in Miura's eye? Think that'll be an issue in their reconciliation? "I was using my wedding tackle to set a trap, baby, I had to wait until their guard was down!" (I'm guessing it won't actually come up =). But yeah, 30 years of material and relatively few inconsistencies, but they are there and ultimately we just have to accept them. Embrace and enjoy the wabi-sabi of Berserk! :guts: :miura: <(I meant to do that!)

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 24, 2018, 07:16:03 PM »
You're taking it too literally lol, obviously Guts isn't dressed like he was in the Golden Age or exactly the same, its more so that physically all the key signifiers of post eclipse Guts are absent (i.e. his eyes aren't shown, the white streak is absent, his scars and metal arm are hidden) in the mind's eye of Casca since thats how she last remembers him (which is why I said her perspective from afar, we as readers obviously know he's not the same), difference of armour/clothing notwithstanding.

I think he was taking that theory to its illogical extreme to point out its a reach to say that's why the white hair isn't visible. Guts is being de-emphasized and obscured for a number of reasons including how different he'll look up close, but making it about and focusing on the hair is little silly.

Anyways, this still doesn't explain the cover, care to explain that?

The cover must be from Casca's deluded point of view!  :troll:

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 24, 2018, 06:47:23 PM »
Uhhh, were there serious discussions about Casca dying after all the labor and time involved in bringing her back...?

She's gonna go running to her true love Griffith so he can reject and finish her off once and for all! This is the harsh reality of the no holds barred manga murderpiece BERZERK, bro! Sorry Casca, you gettin' B'ZERKED!

It's too soon to say, but I think the way Guts was used in this episode as the trigger for her darkest memories could end up just being a role in this scene alone, not as a burdening reminder of those times. This episode was about her coming to terms with her past, and the worst parts all flooded back at once upon seeing Guts. Now those memories are back. But that could really be it.

That's my hope as well, and would mean we could actually see Guts helping and them reconciling immediately. I would understand the choice if Miura deemed it necessary and I'm sure it would be effective and all the more rewarding in the end, but I really dont require anymore extended estrangement between these two! Miura is clearly aware of the time passed as well and it would be consistent with how he's been getting right to the point with Casca's return and reintegration if she's still able to accept Guts after this (she's already besties with Schierke and Farnese, her first girlfriends, hope it wasn't a tease =). Best case scenario: they embrace into a crumpled puddle of tears on the floor together. :judo:

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 24, 2018, 05:50:10 PM »
We've got plot armor and head canon back to back here! :ganishka: :schierke:

I, uh, kind if object to both, even jokingly. Casca's not really in any mortal danger at the moment, far less than usual (plus her character has obviously been silent for 22 years, so that's some shit "armor").

As for the hair, Guts clearly got special elf hair dye for men while Casca was being treated! :carcus: I can actually see why Miura wouldn't highlight it here because Guts' face is somewhat shaded and it's sort of an odd thing to contrast when he's partially silhouetted anyway (I guess it could be dark gray). Or, he just forgot like on the cover! He'd been drawing him a certain way for 30 years and hadn't drawn him like that in 6 episodes (if that even matters), so I wonder if he regrets making that change or if he was maybe bored when he did (obviously it has more bearing on Guts than aesthetics, but that's what we're talking about). I guess we'll find out if Guts hair gets cured before they go, but my guess would be it gets whiter before it gets darker for plot purposes. :SK:

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 24, 2018, 04:56:34 AM »
What I'm wondering is, will she get angry as the memories come back to her, or just collapse?  She did the latter the first time, and not without good reason, but I'd like to see some of the former too.

Hopefully the memories shouldn't hurt her the same way the physical events did, which I would think would be the mitigating distinction everything else being equal in her mind, otherwise this would be for nothing. Speaking of the "good reason" you mentioned though, something we now know that I thought about a lot during the corridor of dreams sequence, from how all that trauma was internalized inside her, was how badly Guts was affected by the wound inflicted by Slan, both physically and ethereally. Even when the wound was physically healed, it was still a part of him and would reopen, it went right to the core of his being. Now imagine that sort of damage and trauma but applied to what happened to Casca under the circumstances it did. Considering that, the fact that she survived at all might be the most fantastic feat of strength displayed in the whole series.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 24, 2018, 03:27:59 AM »
Indeed, it is certainly complex.  I guess Miura could end up  making Casca hate or fear Guts again due to those's just that I don't see it lasting long, especially considering we've already dealt with that for years now from Elaine.

Yeah, I don't think she'll really fear or hate him either because she's rational now and knows he doesn't want to hurt her, but she could understandably be hurt or angry about it.

I will say depicting him at the center of the Eclipse was curious.  I see it more as the memories of the eclipse radiating out from Guts as a catalyst, rather than him being some big central evil or trauma for the whole affair.  And honestly, I'd be surprised if Casca didn't react with some sort of scream or other traumatic response after comprehending those memories.

Right, it's really about her and how she's going to feel post-Eclipse, like what Guts went through in his own way. So, despite being the catalyst, or just the last piece, I don't think poor Guts will end up at the center of this either, merely a big part of it, but hopefully due to his importance to her.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 24, 2018, 02:17:38 AM »
I suppose that depends on how she recalls those events.  As a fellow eclipse survivor, if she is able to comprehend everything post eclipse with the big picture in mind I think she'll sympathize with much of the way Guts acted.  However if she recalls events sporadically and without context I definitely could see there being issues.

Context could go both ways too, like will Guts bad actions seem even worse in association with the memories of the Eclipse, etc all presented together at once, or as points on some trauma continuum. That shot of him at the center of the Eclipse wasn't a great omen.

It's already a miracle that Guts was a functional (semi-functional) human-being after the eclipse.

That could very well go for Casca now as well. I'll be curious to see if she has some level of detachment and perspective given how she's accesding this information after the fact... Or, if it's like it's happening to her all over again all at once. Again,  the scream is a bad sign.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 24, 2018, 01:51:33 AM »
Given its absence here it would make sense for the memory of that exchange to be tucked away as well. It would likely be a continuation of her trauma from the Eclipse, given how tainted her image of Griffith must be at this point.

That's what I'm thinking, that Casca didn't seem to know what became of Griffith (she had no reaction to saying his name), or couldn't process it, until right now. By that token, if that's the case her image of him wouldn't actually have been tainted until this moment, and that could create some sudden and very painful cognitive dissonance. She was on her way to saving her hero as if she were still the Casca from volume 10 and the next instant he's literally her worst monster. We'll see.

Walter was right on the money. Miura's comment is: She talks. The heroine talks for the first time in 22 years. (˚▽˚)

Miura: he's just like us! :ubik:

I for one would like it to be Casca in that dress. After so long, she deserves it.

Deserves to be in an outfit she objected to!? :troll: The petals would be a cool parallel with Griffith's feathers on volume 21... then again,  maybe not such a good thing right now! I'd like to see her in some new armor myself. The Dame of Skeleton!? :SK: *wishful thinking*

she says her memories are vague around the time she fell asleep in a way that could mean she doesn't remember what happened immediately after (i.e. her giving birth). I think that's worth keeping in mind, in addition to Walter's excellent point just above.

*cough*Griff'spointtoo*cough* Didn't she also say she was remembering more about her and Elaine's life as she approached Guts, or was that more like she was just actively thinking of it then (could be the same difference; not "lost," but not at the front of her mind). It'll be interesting to see what memories are revelations in the next episode, was it just the time around the Eclipse, or will we see all the bad stuff as Elaine too? If it's the former it'll give me hope that Guts was just the missing piece that brought everything back, mainly how monsterous Griffith is, and the big guy won't be caught up in a general "male betrayel" data dump in her brain. Ugh, there could be some ugly, unexplored stuff in there too, like a flashback of her locked up alone in the cave for months. Even Farnese could take a hit as well from her actions as leader of the HICKs, and/or her and Schierke now that she may better understand the extent and ramifications of what they've done. Basically, all the possibilities we've previously discussed and Miura deftly subverted.

Casca was so damn reasonable and understanding of everything at the outset though that, along with what we've observed about her memories, I'm  feeling a lot better about the prospect of all this all coming back to and landing on Griffith sooner rather than later. Or maybe I selfishly want to see Guts and Casca embrace as soon as possible. :sad:

I'm just not seeing Guts and his relation to the Eclipse as something that will get between them, at least not significantly.

I don't think she's going to hold the Eclipse against him either, even if he reminds her of it, but perhaps some of his questionable decisions and actions afterward. We'll hopefully know pretty quickly in the next episode if that's all something that's just flooding back or if she already knew but was ready to forgive him.

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Movies you've recently watched
« on: March 23, 2018, 06:33:27 PM »
Because I'm a big nerd I checked out the consensus ratings for the Spider-Man films on the more rosy Rotten Tomatoes and harder Metracritic, both critics and users to account for objective quality vs. fan satisfaction, and then averaged them together for an overall score.

1. Spider-Man 2
RT: 93% 81% MC: 83 8.6

2. Spider-Man: Homecoming
RT: 92% 88% MC: 73 7.7

3. Spider-Man
RT: 89% 67% MC: 73 8.6

4. The Amazing Spider-Man
RT: 73% 77% MC: 66 7.0

5. Spider-Man 3
RT: 63% 51% MC: 59 6.7

6. The Amazing Spider-Man 2
RT: 52% 64% MC: 53 6.5

Not a bad ranking! Also, Spidey has been pretty lucky on the big screen, even his two bad movies aren't like Superman's, Batman's, or even the X-Men's worst, ya know? :ganishka:

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Albums for Desert Island
« on: March 23, 2018, 05:31:59 PM »
After some consideration of Nightcrawler's proposal, which I suspect would make you either truly hate or appreciate your selections, I picked these for their versatility, representative ability of the artists and music I like in general, and because while they're fine on first blush they're also growers that could stand up to repeat listening (or drive you truly mad =):

Jimi Hendrix - Machine Gun
Frank Zappa - Peaches en Ragalia
Metallica - Orion

Anyway, I hope this island has weed growing on it (that should really be a question answered before selections are made).

Random note of randomness, I used to read Berserk episodes while listening to the same three Cardigans songs "My Favourite Game," "Do You Believe," and "Erase/Rewind" in that order on repeat. I don't know why, or even how I got them, because you wouldn't think they'd be tonally or thematically compatible, but it worked and still does. I threw them on while editing that silly Casca/Twin Peaks shop for old times the other night and it was more thematically appropriate than ever.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 23, 2018, 05:00:26 PM »
Me neither, but she remembers her most recent life better than her old one apparently, and that helps move the dialogue forward. No "W-where am I? W-who are you?" She already knows. :casca:

I agree with your larger point about the effectiveness of her not being dazed or confused, though I wouldn't say that she remembers her recent life "better" than her old. It seems her memory of her old life is just fine up to a point, specifically until the trauma that left her unable to cope began, indicating it was blocked out specifically for that reason and wasn't just a coincidental hole in her memory.

I'm also curious to see if this extends to her time as "Elaine" as well, but it wasn't clear to me if she was recalling everything from then because the closest thing we see to something traumatic is the trolls and Guts protecting her from ghosts and zealots (which are only implied or firmly in the background), and, perhaps most glaringly, there's no post-Incarnation Griffith either. He naturally seems to be central to this blind spot, and thus why we see an overwhelming closeup of his destroyed body, and perhaps everything that became of him and her, as the revelation precipitating her scream.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 22, 2018, 03:03:09 AM »
The choice of that specific moment makes me wonder if there's a chronological thing going on, aside from the Eclipse trigger with Guts. Is she going to go through the Wyald fight, the struggles against the apostles, the rape by Femto and then her child's tragic birth? Or has it all come back already? Or will it be slower, more progressive? Hard to say at this point. Anyway, seeing this picture of Griffith did bring to my mind this panel of Casca, from right after she sees him in that state. Looking at it, I think it's hard to dispute that this specific shot of him is an appropriate "beginning" for her trauma.
Interesting. That also lines up with where Casca says her memory from that time starts to taper off the Tower of Rebirth.

Yeah, that line/reveal about going to save Griff stuck out, especially after that two page horror spread. It seems evident the Casca they spoke to in that moment was relatively trauma free or oblivious, like plucked out of time and remembering the good times, both from her previous life and while trapped in Elaine (Guts own transgressions aren't triggers or otherwise addressed either). Until she saw Guts and then the trauma, at least the beginnings of it, "Last thing I recall we went to save Griffith; how'd that work out!?" came flooding back. Interesting that we see the big picture first with the Eclipse, then back relatively to where she said she left off. I wonder if it ALL came back at once in that moment when she screamed or if it's going to be more complicated and arduous as Aaz alluded. In any case, despite all we've already seen her go through, it seems as though it's all going to be fresh.

I don't think she hates it, it's just not the kind of attire she's most comfortable with. But obviously given the situation this isn't a big deal to her.

Even that reaction was more reminiscent of better times, the nature of her objection recalling her complaint about wearing a dress at the ball, rather than someone that had just been through hell and come out on the other side. Hell awaits, apparently.

Boy, I'm cheerful. :ganishka: On a lighter note, echoing Aaz's initial perspective, it was great to have the old Casca back unburdened by everything, even for a little while.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 21, 2018, 07:24:42 PM »
I imagine the next episode will involve Guts rushing forward to comfort her with Danan, Farnese and Schierke intervening and telling Guts he needs to wait a little while longer. While it'll be tough on him, I imagine he'll consent and wander off to be alone (I can't see him going back to Roderick and Serpico, but maybe Puck will come find him?), leaving Casca in capable hands. I wonder if SK will make an appearance, like others have said, as well.

The potential parallels to their post-Eclipse reunion are ominous, but, even if Casca can't handle being around Guts at all right now, hopefully he's learned enough from before that and won't be impatient or get discouraged that things may not have quite worked out yet despite coming so far. I'm also interested to see what Casca does! She's not "Elaine" anymore watching a dream, she's got agency, so I'll be interested to see if the scream precipitates something of a temporary relapse where she shuts down, or if we're in for something more volatile. It'll also be interesting to get Guts' POV, effective choice to isolate him this episode, and I hope we see his side of that walk before the scream, even if it's not likely to make us feel any better about the whole thing.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 21, 2018, 03:58:49 PM »
That's quiet possibly the best crossover of any art ever.  :ubik:

If only my photoshopping on the night had lived up to it, but I got lazy. BTW, I'd be remiss if I didn't share the other source image by Christiano Siqueira:

The whole series is totally worth checking out as well:

To get this back on topic, it was also partly inspired by the humor I found in the 'shop "fixing" Casca's face, like, "Here you go, how it really should have been!" :ganishka:

Also, great callback and point by Eluvei all these months later; Miura's gone LYNCH MODE on us (I knew this particular bemusing feeling was familiar =)! I'm just glad the corridor of dreams didn't end with Casca frantically staring into a mirror and then we never see her again, presumably ever. :iva:

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 21, 2018, 02:34:47 PM »
You know, personally I remain hopeful. I'm not crestfallen over this. I have never doubted that Guts and Casca will be able to enjoy their love eventually, and I'm not starting now. The way I see it, they are simply on a path towards that goal, and this is just another step along the way. And while we don't know what the next episode has in store for us, I think it has the potential for some touching moments and not just painful ones.

Yeah, I saw in your edit that it actually made you feel better to get that tease, or preview, of an unburdened Casca, but to me it was decidedly the opposite feeling. I was expecting her to be messed up coming out of this, but to get that tease and to look ahead, to look past it really, to them reuniting under those conditions only to have it shattered by the inevitable reality was so cruel. This isn't a complaint mind you, more that I'm impressed how Miura was able to shake up a moment of which we've spent decades imagining every possible permutation, and to make it truly jarring and harrowing in an unexpected way (hyper detailed gross Griff bod, comin' atcha! =).

(Also, this might be a stretch, but I recently watched Twin Peaks Season 3 and (Spoilers for the end of Twin Peaks incoming) the end of this episode really reminded me of the end of the show - a slow build to a climax that is released via the catharsis of a scream. Not saying they're all that similar really, but they both gave me a similar kind of feeling. )
That scream at the end, it reaches Laura Palmer's levels of terror! It's nauseating.

Alright, now I have to share this chain:

Yet, he somehow managed to subvert our long established expectations by rolling out the red carpet for us to consider and to some degree anticipate this perfect reunion, before completely pulling the rug out from under our feet! :ganishka: :mozgus: :judo:


:ganishka: That's perfect.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 21, 2018, 07:30:50 AM »
I have to agree with you guys, it seems clear Miura intentionally went for the most perfect reunion setting ever only to better subvert it. But what I'm curious about, beyond this moment, is what the long term implications will be for Guts & Casca's relationship. Basically why Miura went for this and not one of the many other possibilities he had. Because I'm sure it wasn't just for the twist itself.

More like a twist of a knife. Yeah, it's the broader implications that make it so terrible; namely the prospect that she'll involuntarily find Guts repulsive by association with all she's endured. Happiness, theirs and ours, deferred indefinitely. I mean, we knew she'd have issues and Guts would be tied to some of it, but making him like the catalyst that triggers her... oof, that'd be rough, like worse than we imagined. We'll see though, maybe this is just everything hitting her at once and while it's going to be bad now it can at least hopefully get better from here instead of being a chronic thing going forward (but like Grail said, what WE want, not necessarily what's good for Casca =). Considering Casca's flashing back to the Eclipse and Griffith, presumably from the wagon, physical contact might not be the best idea right now (if so, I hope Guts can restrain himself). In any case, I'm not going to enjoy Casca's and Guts' pained expressions in the next episode. :sad:

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 21, 2018, 01:26:30 AM »
It was truly a joy (and also sort of bizarre) seeing Casca making all these lucid expressions in this episode! I wasn't sure how much that aspect of her interactions with Farnese and Schierke would affect me, but suffice to say it was an emotional experience.
The lead-up to the big ending was done so well that, hours after reading it, I'm still shaken. Reading it through the first time, I think I was all over the place: elated to have Casca back, but when Danan swooped in with that dress, I was kind of dismayed and confused on Casca's behalf. Give the poor woman a moment to breathe! Maybe I'm reading into this too much, but it almost felt like Miura was commenting on the whole idea of having Casca back, and how, as readers, we're simultaneously wanting her to be reunited with Guts and "normal" again, when really, she needs time to process what's happened to her. In some ways, maybe we're like Danan, poofing poor Casca into a wedding dress in our minds! :ganishka:

But it was Miura that put that in our minds! Not even Aaz predicted Danan would wiggle her nose and betwitch Casca a magic gown. It was already naturally bizzare as you said, but Miura turned it up a notch with that. In retrospect that should have been a big red flag, but it was so deliberately over-the-top (I was actually concerned it was going to be too twee =), and on top of our own wave of good vibrations seeing Casca like that, and not a hint of negativity where Guts was concerned, it just seemed like it was really happening and crescendoing to that moment as they walked towards one another. It was a brilliant fakeout because, one, Miura doesn't usually do them, and two, we already KNEW it wasn't going to be that easy; we've literally been talking about it for years! Yet, he somehow managed to subvert our long established expectations by rolling out the red carpet for us, to consider and to some degree anticipate this perfect reunion, before completely pulling it out from under our feet! :ganishka: :mozgus: :judo:

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 20, 2018, 08:49:27 PM »
I'd not be surprise if we happen to see Skullknight :SK: in the very near future now : maybe to keep the group updated about Femto's doing ?

More like, "I told you so." :badbone:

Anyway, I'm still not over that gut(s) punch Miura set up so cruelly with that ridiculous dress and everything; this is the most evil shit he's ever drawn! :ganishka:

Love that solo page of Guts coming towards her though, like a poster. The Griffith thing was unexpected and therefore even more effectively nightmarish than any of the Eclipse stuff at this point. Bravo. :ubik: And also boo because this legitimately hurt my feelings. :griffnotevil:

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Movies you've recently watched
« on: March 20, 2018, 03:33:05 PM »
Again I disagree, I don't actually mind the organic web shooters, thats not the only way to show him being a genius, in Spider-man 1 we spend about 15-20 minutes in high school before he graduates and in those 20 minutes he makes a mess in the cafeteria, beats up Flash, etc but we never see him act intelligently in an academic setting. We do see him in Spider-man 2 answering some questions with Professor Connors but not to any level where his intellect is clearly above average, that "Raindrops Keep Fallin On My Head" montage that follows soon after again depicts him as a doofus.

We don't see him inventing something amazing or anything (except his suit I guess), but he's clearly depicted as an intellectually gifted nerd that has the awe of his peers and respect and admiration of his seniors (Osborn, Conners, Octavius). I would have believed that Parker could build web-shooters before Garfield's cool skater boy any day.

compared to Raimi and Webb's iterations I think it was the most well rounded depiction of Spider-man.
As of right now, I do think Maguire's Spider-man is a better written character (despite the flaws I have with it) but thats simply because he's had 3 films to evolve, Holland's character in my opinion is starting with stronger foundations to develop in future films so I think that he has the most potential

I mean, I thought Holland's Spider-Man was the best yet just after his Civil War guest shot, but the character somehow didn't translate as well to his solo movie because in some ways he was taking a step backward, the overabundance of teen awkwardness, exuberance, and incompetence, so it was a bit frustrating. He was pitch-perfect in Civil War, but I think they had the advantage of just needing him to show up and act like Spider-Man rather than have conflicts and an arc. So, for better or worse, he was a realistic teenage Spider-Man, and he probably will, if he doesn't already, have the most depth, except...

I do think its a key aspect to his character that shouldn't be completely ignored, if only so that the film can work in its own right as a film, lets just assume for a minute that someone out there doesn't know about Uncle Ben dying, the film failing to address it in some meaningful way (besides him mentioning Aunt May got sad after his uncle died) that adds to his pathos means the film fundamentally lacks one of Peter's key motivators in life, we as an audience who are familiar with the 50+ year mythology are aware but an adaption shouldn't depend on supposed common knowledge to make short cuts.

As is, Peter's sole motivator in the whole film is to impress Tony which I find pretty weak, just 20 seconds of Ben's voice during the scene where Peter lifts up the rubble would have been enough imo so maybe Im nitpicking but I dunno, I think its pretty important.

Yeah, I agree it's strange he basically NEVER brings up Ben or even seems sad or personally motivated by it considering he's still freshly Spider-Man. I wouldn't have wanted to hear Ben if they weren't including him otherwise (and then you're getting into flashback territory), but just Pete mentioning how important he was at some point would have been appropriate.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 20, 2018, 03:13:37 PM »

That was mean. Great stuff obviously, loved ALMOST every moment, seemed TOO good even :carcus:, as she beautifully, idyllically walks towards Guts and we think it's really happening and better than we ever imagined and we see him isolated and think how he'll feel and then things start to shift and is that her pupil or oh no not the eclipse then BOOM giant Griffith corpse body and scream... Boo! :judo:

But yeah, a great and affecting episode as expected.

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Movies you've recently watched
« on: March 20, 2018, 04:42:31 AM »
I haven't seen Homecoming or Guardians of the Galaxy 2. My current plan is to watch 3 MCU films per week leading up to Infinity War. So those first 2 weeks? Pretty fun. Next 2 weeks? Not so fun. Last 3 weeks? Very unfun  :rickert:

Oh, I forgot about Guardians 2, which I enjoyed, but hasn't stuck with me and isn't groundbreaking or anything. Anyway, I don't know that it'll be that bad, I broke it up and the distribution of fun, not so fun, and very unfun is pretty balanced:

Iron Man - Fun
The Incredible Hulk - Not So Fun
Iron Man 2 - Very Unfun

Thor - Not So Fun
Captain America: The First Avenger - Fun
Marvel's The Avengers - Fun

Iron Man 3 - Very Unfun
Thor: The Dark World - Very Unfun
Captain America: The Winter Soldier - Fun

Guardians of the Galaxy - Fun
Avengers: Age of Ultron - Not So Fun
Ant-Man - Fun

Captain America: Civil War - Fun
Doctor Strange - ???
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - Fun

Spider-Man: Homecoming - Fun
Thor: Ragnarok - Not So Fun (but really, fun is kinda exactly what it is =)
Black Panther - ???

Upon further consideration this is a difficult rating system because even the less ambitious ones like Ant-Man are "fun" if nothing else. Well, except the Thor and Iron Man sequels.

I agree with the Marvel/Superhero fatigue being expressed here, it'll take a lot more for most Marvel movies now to impress me compared to the first phase since the formality of it all is really starting to make viewing each new film a repetitive experience, I do however disagree with you Griffith on Spider-man Homecoming, I think its one of the best Marvel movies in years (up there with Iron Man, the Avengers, Winter Soldier and GotG 1 imo) and debatably the best Spidey film yet since it felt the most true to his character (I'd have it tied with Spider-man 2, with Spider-man 1 being 2nd/3rd best and Spider-man 3, Amazing and Amazing 2 being all crap).

Objectively, it's probably up there with Spidey 1, but that movie basically invented the modern Marvel movie and this is doing it for the umpteenth time, it's preceisely that fatigue you spoke of that underwhelmed me. Actually, it felt like a movie with no ambitions other than to showcase Spider-Man the character. It's just sort of hanging out with him for two hours, which is cool in its own way, but doesn't make for great drama. It also hurts that almost every set piece was reminiscent of one I've seen from all the other Spidey movies! Actually, what set it apart was him fucking up and falling and shit. That was good and would have added realism if the animation were a bit more convincing than Raimi's from over a decade ago.

Anyway, my updated Spidey-Ranks:

Spider-Man 2 - Best standalone Spidey movie and among the greats of the genre, and doesn't address web fluid/shooters at all so technically comic accurate in a vacuum. =)
Spider-Man - Was an amazing leap forward and great in its time. Pretty much laid the groundwork for ALL of this. Edit out Macy Gray for a web-shooter scene in the suit montage and it's perfect!
Spider-Man: Homecoming - Sort of combines the strengths of both the Raimi and Webb movies in an even spunkier package, but is also highly derivative and not very ambitious.
The Amazing Spider-Man - A different take on Spidey, more grounded, more hip, less fun, but has some strengths and heart.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - Uh, Spidey's suit looks accurate, but the CGI was a bit weightless and the rest was even worse.
Spider-Man 3 - The infamous and still worst, yet I think it's still the highest grossing Spidey (give Raimi another chance =)! Cut out the symbiote and Venom stuff Raimi didn't want to do and it's probably ok.

In the Sam Raimi movies they nailed the nerdy aspect to his character but overall Peter himself was too much of a doofus, they express that he's a genius but its never really explicitly shown, in Amazing they did a better job at portraying Spider-man's smartass attitude

I mean, I feel like the semi-loud case against Maguire's Peter as off is pretty overstated and contradictory. He's plenty a smartass with the quips and like you said, if anything, they go overboard on how smart he is. Also, "his genius not being shown" is simply coded language for "organic web-shooters." =) Anyway, more importantly they did a good job creating a sympathetic and relatable cinematic interpretation of Parker that could carry a movie or three for the audience, which nobody has pulled off since. If Parker is supposed to be the kid reading the comic, Raimi/Maguire's version was certainly enough like the people watching the movies that it worked big time.

In contrast, Homecoming shows a Peter whose an anxious teenager, has strong convictions (I loved the short montage scene where he does lil mundane things like save cats from trees and help old ladies across the street, demonstrates perfectly how he's the "friendly neighbourhood" Spider-man), struggles with his inexperience as a hero and every day school boy, his intellect is undermined by his dependence on Tony but I'd still say it balances the genius/doofus side to his character better than past iterations.

Garfield's didn't leave much impression and Holland's is on point, especially in Civil War, but we'll see if it amounts to anything besides him acting like a flustered Peter all the time because it was almost a bit much in Homecoming (I'm sure he'll become more badass as the character ages, and they have a real opportunity to develop him like no other). But right now I'm not getting the same strong sense of identity, for better or worse, that Maguire's certainly had.

Michael Keaton's Vulture was also one of the best MCU villains to date (not that that's saying much but still) and up there with Doc Ock as far as on screen Spidey villains go.

I thought Keaton was good, but under-written/utilized. Despite the obvious cheese factor, Dafoe's Goblin is the only big screen Spidey villain that really measured up as a memorable adversary. He actually seemed like a real threat simply because he was actually threatening him and provided a real foil for Peter and Spider-Man. Doc Ock did that for Peter, but his cheesiness in the fights kind of clashed with that, whereas Dafoe was leaning into it so hard it worked. :ganishka:

I have my issues with it like Iron Man being the key motivator for him to get out of the rubble rather than a memory of Uncle Ben or something (I wish Uncle Ben had more of a presence in the movie but don't get me wrong, I don't want nor expect another redoing of the origin, simply hearing Ben's voice in Peter's inner monologue rather than Tony would've been enough for me, Peter's infatuation with Tony undermines Ben too much in my eyes who should still serve a minor role in the MCU's first Spidey movie)

If I may switch sides for a moment, my defense of that is this isn't supposed to be some perfect ideal iteration of Spider-Man (ahem, Spider-Man 2), but a working version that fits perfectly into and "lives in" the MCU, so he doesn't have to be all uncle Ben/"responsibility," because we all already know that, but he does need to have a relationship with Iron Man, etc.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 20, 2018, 03:27:40 AM »
I enjoy these Berserk art deep dives, and am partial to the Conviction and latter Millennium Falcon Arcs art styles myself (early MF is good too, but a transition), so much so I checked out the Berserk reddit thread on the subject (like the first time I've read it besides Wally's posts =), saw that 'shop, and I'm no one to criticize monkeying with Miura's work for fun, but I think essentially clone stamping Casca's, er "Elaine's," pre-awakening face on is missing the point that Miura is apparently attempting to convey a much more dramatic difference here by alluding to what almost seems like a modern interpretation of her physical appearance from the Golden Age (not a bad choice for a new beginning). One can't know for sure until we see more of her, but so far that's two out of two depictions heavily giving off that vibe. Whether it's for the effect of her return or a permanent change (and Griffith had similar permutations before settling into a consistent model, which I think we'll see evolve here too over time) it's clearly intentional and, ya know, the artistry in the artwork and what makes it "alive" rather than just a copy/paste job of her most recent character model. If people want to interpret it literally, think of how different one can look depending on their mood and expression (think Daniel Day Lewis =). Casca's essentially been a different person for years, it actually makes a lot of sense she would look like a different one now.

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Movies you've recently watched
« on: March 19, 2018, 05:32:50 PM »
Then again, I've had Marvel fatigue since Age of Ultron. I did really enjoy Black Panther, and Infinity War looks like it may actually have some teeth.

I think the last one I liked or was impressed by was Civil War, which sort of felt like the darker, more introspective Avengers sequel AoU failed to be. I haven't seen Panther yet, probably won't see Doctor Strange, and just saw Spider-Man: Homecoming this weekend, which was similarly underwhelming given its reputation. I mean, it was fine, but low stakes, casual, and by the numbers Marvel at this point (almost like a sitcom), and probably the third or fourth best Spider-Man movie I've seen (fifth counting Civil War =). Basically, for all the "Marvel homecoming" hype, and the promise the character showed in Civil War, the movie did little to distinguish itself from those that came before it.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 19, 2018, 03:36:42 PM »
Well, that's definitely interesting and pretty cool that we're getting right to it! Also, I'm amazed how different Casca looks now, it could just be the liveliness of her eyes but it makes her whole face look different. Also, Casca's first words in about two decades(!) and yet the lamest stuff pleases me: We can now semi-officially retroactively refer to Casca's broken phase as the "Elaine Era." Nice and clean. :ganishka:

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Albums for Desert Island
« on: March 18, 2018, 03:53:31 AM »
I want to propose a variation on this theme:

If you could only listen to the music of one artist, all collaborative and solo work included, who would you choose?*

You could simply pick your favorite, or one that's eclectic and prolific so you still get a lot of variety to choose from, or even more to that extreme you could pick somebody, maybe even a relative studio unknown, that worked with everybody over a long period of time, like a human random playlist.

My pick: Frank Zappa.

*They have to write or perform on the music, so you can't just pick Quincy Jones or something. =)

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