Berserk Continuation's Discrepancies Discussion

TheItCrow

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Hi all,

Some of you are probably aware of Walter's Berserk Continuation’s Discrepancies thread, where the most important and fundamental discrepancies between the continuation and Miura's Berserk are documented for future references. That thread is not open for discussion, as it mainly serves as documentation. It is meant to contain a concise and ordered list of points that we discuss in the respective episode threads.

Walter and I recently had a chat about how we could update that thread, given that the last entry is from episode 374. That does not mean the thread excludes newer episodes, since not every episode contains noteworthy discrepancies worth documenting. However, we had the idea that a second thread, open for discussion, could be created where we first gather all points, discuss them, and finally pick out the most relevant ones. These could then be cleanly added to the main documentation thread.

So here we are!

Before I start posting my personal remarks, let me preface this by saying that, first and foremost, we should aim to discuss and document only the fundamental discrepancies. As Walter so poetically put it, we don't need to document that it makes no sense for Rakshas to have come out of "that guy's ass". You can use the aforementioned documentation thread as guidance for what qualifies as a noteworthy discrepancy. Secondly, this shouldn't become an abstruse or nitpicky thread where we endlessly indulge in these discrepancies. Personally, I don't find this a particularly enjoyable activity, and I'd argue that if Walter or Aaz did, the original thread would have been updated far more frequently. Truthfully, it's sad that we even need a thread like this.

The focus should be on clearly documenting where Miura's Berserk stands and what the continuation team has done differently, thereby drawing a clear and distinct line between the two.

One last thing: it's probably for the best if everyone formats their posts in at least a somewhat similar manner so that we can more easily extract the relevant points later on. To that end, why not use a clear heading for each episode you want to discuss and then list the discrepancies as concise bullet points? :guts:
 
Episode 375 + 376

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I'm sorry to break my own rule in the very first post, but Puck's reaction here is so ridiculous and unintentionally funny that I simply had to document it. :ganishka: At this point, it's practically become a running gag on the forum. Anyway, on to the more serious points in this episode:
  1. How did Daiba know that the party would arrive soon?
    Silat cites Daiba, stating that "his fortune-tellings predicted it," before explaining that he knew "a beast in chains" would arrive. Daiba was never shown to possess this kind of foresight. In Berserk, the ability to accurately foresee future events is exceptionally rare and is part of what makes characters like Sonia so unique. The continuation provides no explanation for how Daiba acquired this information, nor does it ever address the matter again. As a result, it comes across as a convenient plot device used solely to justify the party being escorted to the Kushan Empire, but it also leaves a dangerous and misled image of where Daiba's powers lie. But this all raises another question: the Kushan Empire?
  2. How does the Kushan empire still exist?
    There are two reasons why this doesn't seem plausible. First, Ganishka would almost certainly have committed all the bulk of his forces to the invasion of Midland. He knew exactly who he was up against and understood the stakes involved. Following his defeat, and given his role as a tyrannical ruler whose authority largely held the empire together, the Kushan state would likely have been thrown into chaos. More importantly, however, Fantasia has already occurred. We are explicitly shown that Falconia is the sole safe haven in this new world, which is, of course, entirely according to Griffith's plan. Under those circumstances, a defeated and fractured Kushan Empire should not be able to continue functioning as a stable political entity, otherwise, what's really Griffith's point? This also comes with a bunch of other problems, like why is Silat now the leader of the said Kushan empire? That's not at all what Miura had described him to be, quiet the opposite really.
  3. But what are Silat, Daiba and Rickert even doing there?
    It seems to me that the continuation team may have misunderstood what Miura had established for these characters. After successfully escaping Falconia, Silat tells Rickert in episode 339 that they should return to the Bakiraka's hidden village. This makes perfect sense within the context of the story. If any human settlement could realistically survive in the world of Fantasia, it would be a secluded mountain village hidden from the outside world and defended by elite assassins who have spent their entire lives fighting for survival. Instead, the continuation places these characters in what appears to be a functioning Kushan Empire, a setting that not only contradicts the implications of Fantasia but also ignores the destination Miura had already established for them.
  4. Hanarr didn't vanish.
    Another major inconsistency, as Hanarr is an elf. Only a few episodes earlier, we were shown that even the merrows - beings with no direct connection to Elfhelm itself- disappeared following the island's destruction. By that logic, Hanarr should have vanished as well. Instead, he remains behind without any explanation. This is consistent with the continuation's broader mishandling of the island's inhabitants, most notably the unexplained non-disappearance of Puck and Ivalera.
 
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Here are my contributions (mostly stuff between 377 and 380):

Are the Bakiraka no more?
Episode 374 ends with Silat and the Tapasa in command of a Kushan fleet. This contradicts their status as Bakiraka, an exiled clan that served the previous Kushan royal family. Even before they were exiled, they were considered war slaves, but the entire reason Silat was initially working with Ganishka was to gain his favor so that the Bakiraka could restore their status as Kushan. Silat's stature as a leader remains unchallenged until episode 377, where a member of the dubious "Kurultai" speaks against him for being "the young leader of the Bakiraka". This implies that Silat was given considerable resources by the Kushan army while maintaining his identity secret (even though Jarif, for example, immediately saw through him in volume 33). The protest of the "Northern chief" was quickly brushed aside, and his role was to simply die to Rakshas. As of the time writing this, the Bakiraka clan hasn't been brought up again.

The Great Flatulence of the Ethereal World.
In episode 378, Rakshas summons some kind of shockwave that results in a dark tornado, previously exclusive to the path of dragons created by beherits, as a barrier between the corporeal world and the layer of the Ethereal World where the God Hand reside. After this, "trolls" begin rising from the ground out of a nondescript black liquid. We're told that it's akin to the Qliphoth, as if teasing a Slan appearance that never happens. This is once again ignoring Fantasia as a setting, in which ethereal creatures ought to be showing up and destroying everything in there by default. It’s also the first time we’ve seen an apostle being able to conjure ethereal beasts out of nothing, and even behaving like a beherit in the process.

How can multiple people make a spell stronger?
To fight against the “trolls”, Farnese performs the formation of the four cardinal kings (while chanting the spell incorrectly and forgetting to set the symbols of the 4 elements); in episode 379, this is shown to encompass the entire Kushan palace. Meanwhile in episode 380 the apprentices from Skellig island are also casting the formation of the four, on top of Farnese's, but this time all together. Not only is it overkill, it's also contradictory to how magic works in Berserk: The formation of the four requires the magic user to personally delve into the Ethereal World with their luminous body and request help from the Four Cardinal Kings. It's an act of communication, having the apprentices chanting together should have no bearing on it and makes no sense. Wait... apprentices?

Why are the novices unaffected by the destruction of the island of Skellig?
Against the established principles of magic in the world of Berserk, it was stated in episodes 373/374 that the magic users from Skellig lost their abilities due to its destruction. However, in episode 380, the apprentices are unaffected by this, being incoherent with what the team had set up just a few releases before. Conveniently, the Great Gurus continue to be out of action, which only reinforces the idea that it was a contrivance to write the Gurus off the story all along.
 
Thanks @scaler26, you make good points in my opinion! In the context of episodes 377-380, just some additions:

Episode 377 - 380

It starts off strong with a quote I think we can all relate to!
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But jokes aside, let's get to the nitty griddy.
  1. Silat is treated like Royalty
    But the truth is quite the opposite, really, as the Bakiraka were of the lowest social class (caste is probably the right word), similar to slaves. The reason being that they had remained loyal to the former royal family before Ganishka took over. The latter recognized their potential for his war effort, which is why he gave them the task of capturing the Falcon in return for a status they previously did not have.

  2. Guts' Character Assassination
    We all know that the continuation team has portrayed Guts in what many would consider his most pathetic state, but episode 380 takes this portrayal a step further. Not only does Guts collapse helplessly, but he appears to accept death at the hands of an apostle. In fact, it goes beyond mere acceptance -it's longing, as reflected in the line: "At last... my Angel of Death.", which stands in direct opposition to everything Guts represents as a character. Guts is the embodiment of perseverance. He is the quintessential struggler, someone who endures unimaginable suffering yet continues to push forward through sheer force of will. While it is entirely plausible that Miura intended for Guts to undergo a profound crisis following Casca's abduction (if said abduction really had happened), such a crisis would certainly have been portrayed differently. Despair, self-doubt, and even temporary paralysis would be one thing; yearning for death is another. The issue here is not that Guts is broken. The issue is the manner in which that brokenness is depicted. This discrepancy is therefore a major one, as it arguably destroys the primary motif and character of our beloved protagonist, Guts. Episode 384 would later deliver a second, equally significant blow to that characterization.
Update:
I know it's not a major discrepancy, but I personally feel it's worth documenting, if only in this thread. Aaz has repeatedly talked about how the level of dialogue has decreased significantly at the hands of the continuation team, which may be problematic in itself, but not as a topic for this major discrepancy thread (yet at least). What I do want to highlight is @puella's post from episode 380, where she points out the incorrect usage of the term "Falcon of Light." To quote her, she "noticed Daiba used the words 'Falcon of Light.' 'Light' is a positive word for Griffith. In the manga, Griffith's supporters use it, like Grunbeld saying to Guts he'd fight him 'as an apostle of the Falcon of Light...'. Characters opposing Griffith wouldn't use it. They just call him the Falcon." So, if only as a single example of dialogue discrepancies among many others, it shows that the usage of terms already established by Miura is not being fully understood and therefore lacks the proper context. That's a shame and, in the end, worth mentioning at least once.
 
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The Vortex of Souls

The Vortex is first described in Guardians of Desire, when the Count is on the verge of death: "When your body of flesh expires, your spirit will be whisked away by a wave of demonkind, straight to hell. And you shall wander within that dark swirl of souls for all eternity… That's the fate of those who get caught up with demonkind."

The Vortex appears again at Wyald's death in The Flying One. Grievously wounded, Wyald cries out: "If I wind up dead here I'll be inside that Vortex forever."

Finally, in Companions, Skull Knight reveals his Sword of Actuation, noting it was “…meant to be wielded to entomb them in that Vortex."

These three passages establish three things. The Vortex is the final fate of all apostles and those intertwined with demonkind. Entry is immediate and permanent upon death. And even the God Hand appear vulnerable to being entombed within the Vortex.

This is where Rakshas becomes a problem. In Invited Assassin he is disoriented and confused after bursting out from the body of a Kushan diplomat. Recalling his encounter with Rickert in Falconia, he states: "I remember… back then I… died." Shortly after, Rakshas is killed again by Silat in an episode titled Shadows Die Twice, a title that functions as an explicit confirmation that Rakshas has now died a second time. The entire Rakshas situation is admittedly clunky, but taking the Continuation at face value, it raises serious discrepancies with what we know about the Vortex.

First, if Rakshas died after his encounter with Rickert, then why is he not in the Vortex? The Vortex absorbs apostles immediately upon death, and that seizure is permanent.

Second, Skull Knight states that his intent was to entomb the God Hand within the Vortex. If the God Hand can return someone who has already died, whether by pulling them out of the Vortex or by preventing them from entering it in the first place, then what exactly was Skull Knight counting on?
 
To further support your point: even if his first death was rhetorical or metaphorical, his second one at the hands of Silat was final and should have resulted in his entombment in the Abyss, in a similar fashion to what happened to Wyald.
 
I had almost forgotten how incredibly boring episodes 381 & 382 were. Anyways.

Episodes 383 and 384 introduce, once again, some minor discrepancies, but also arguably the biggest discrepancy yet. And if I had to bet, episodes 385 and 386 will continue this trend as well - but we'll get to that.

Episode 383

As I've said, I'll try to stick to the major discrepancies in my eyes.

1. Guts' Light at the End of the Tunnel

Guts is entombed in a stupa, essentially a tomb, where he is engulfed by darkness and enclosed by a lotus flower that transforms into a clam. During this process - which is already debatable in terms of how it makes sense mechanically within the context of Miura's Berserk - Guts is swallowed by a pitch-black darkness and floats into water. During this sequence, he longs for death yet again (but we've already discussed that) and reaches out toward a single stream of light at the top of the stupa - a glimmer of hope, perhaps. In that light, he sees two faces: Casca's and Griffith's. The latter is a noteworthy discrepancy in this context, as it leaves room for interpretation regarding how Guts feels about Griffith, whereas there should be no ambiguity. Case in point: Guts' Berserker Armor nearly activates in Vritannis merely from hearing the word "Falcon". This should already tell you everything. To further support this, @Lawliet put it perfectly in his post in the episode thread: whenever Miura drew Griffith in a flashback by Guts or Rickert, he did so with his back turned or his face obscured. This was meant to show that Guts cannot bear to think of the man he once knew because that man is dead to him. I wrote in the episode thread itself that Griffith is portrayed as part of "literally Guts' only light in an otherwise pitch-black darkness," which makes no sense and risks creating doubt about Guts' feelings toward him. Heck, as of writing this, I don't even think it's impossible that the continuation could have Griffith redeem himself or receive some form of forgiveness - which would be insane.

Episode 384

Where to begin man... This episode will get it's own post in due time.
 
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To further support your point: even if his first death was rhetorical or metaphorical, his second one at the hands of Silat was final and should have resulted in his entombment in the Abyss, in a similar fashion to what happened to Wyald.

I felt that tension too, and it's good that you brought it up. Part of what can make discussing the Continuation difficult is that you're often left wondering whether they really mean what they're saying. With Rakshas it's a bizarre situation where you can ask, despite what the text tells us, did he actually die the first time? Or even the second time? The approach I've come to is that trying to find more subtle interpretations probably isn't worth it, and that the Continuation team intends for us to take what they show us at face value.
 
With Rakshas it's a bizarre situation where you can ask, despite what the text tells us, did he actually die the first time? Or even the second time?
It is indeed hard to tell because you're often left with a deep confusion: "Wait, that's it? Nah, that can't be it." It's so anticlimactic and senseless, but in the end, I can only take what's given to me as a reader and what's given is that he's now dead... and maybe has been before. :troll: I wouldn't think too much about the "Shadows Die Twice" shenanigans though. It's just crammed in there as a silly reference by Kurosaki.
 
Episode 384

As I've previously alluded to, episode 384 delivers the second gut-wrenching punch to our protagonist and to the very essence of Berserk. It also completely messes up already established mechanics.

Guts is not special

In the episode, Guts undergoes a process that is portrayed by "borrowing" panels from Griffith's Eclipse and the Corridor of Dreams sequences to create a rebirth ceremony of his own, which is unfortunately very literal. During this process, Guts first wishes to die, then wishes he could go back in time, as he blames himself for everything that has happened - without a single mention of Griffith - which in itself is insane enough. Through a pep talk from Flora, he learns two things. First, that he has been special since birth because he was born "from within death." What does that mean? Well, in the same panel, baby Guts lying under his mother's corpse is depicted as a demon child, similar to his own child. Second, Flora claims that this makes him "born into the interstice." The episode then concludes with Guts literally merging with this demon-child version of himself and being reborn, before ending with the statement that Guts and Griffith are somehow the same, because they are both "creatures of the interstice." All of this is a twisted and obscure version of what Miura had set up and seemingly planned, so let's go through it:

First, Miura didn't introduce Guts' birth from a dead and unknown mother to show that he was special or that he was somehow already born between worlds, as the continuation alludes to here. It's the exact opposite: it emphasizes that he's a nobody. A baby without origins or parents, someone the world couldn't care less about, whether he lived or died, which sets up the overall motif of Guts being a force of nature by his own strength and will alone.

Second, Guts being born "from the interstice" is senseless. He is branded during the Eclipse in Volume 13, and only afterward is it explained that he now resides in the interstice - a shallow overlapping realm between the corporeal and astral worlds. Would this rebirth somehow make him doubly interstitial? Then there's the fact that, among other things, Guts was not attacked by specters prior to being branded, a phenomenon that affects those who reside in the interstice. How could he have been there since birth? Furthermore, residing in the interstice is not a unique attribute of Guts. Casca has been residing there the entire time as well. So what's up with her then? Finally, all of this is barely relevant anymore after the Great Roar of the Astral Wave and the resulting Fantasia, as the worlds have overlapped to a degree far beyond the interstice for everyone.

Third, Griffith - or rather Femto - and Guts would still not be the same, even if this ludicrous ceremony made any sense. Femto is a member of the God Hand, a being that exists purely within the astral world and has no physical form. Before Griffith became Femto, he was never born special, nor did he live in the interstice. It is only through a very complicated and difficult-to-perform incarnation ceremony that Femto is able to take physical form as Griffith once again. So Griffith was never in the interstice while alive. When he became Femto, he became a being far beyond the realm of the interstice. And once incarnated, he gained the best of both worlds: immense power and a deep connection to the astral world while still possessing a corporeal body. He operates on a level far beyond the interstice, so Guts and Griffith still would not be the same.

Now, finally, to come back to the gut-wrenching thematic blow this deals, I'll simply quote what I wrote in the episode thread and leave it at that:

The fatal blow this deals is obvious: they have undermined, yet again, the central building block of Berserk: Guts is not ordained by causality. He is not the special one. He is not the chosen one. He is simply and purely human, as he himself puts it. His fight is driven by sheer willpower and by his own strength alone. That is the motif of Berserk, and I think we can all agree that this is what makes us like Guts so much. This process, however, completely and utterly undermines all of that. He is no longer a regular human. No, instead, he has been special since birth, and now he has received his transformative fate-bestower pep talk.
 
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How did Daiba know that the party would arrive soon?
Silat cites Daiba, stating that "his fortune-tellings predicted it," before explaining that he knew "a beast in chains" would arrive. Daiba was never shown to possess this kind of foresight. In Berserk, the ability to accurately foresee future events is exceptionally rare and is part of what makes characters like Sonia so unique. The continuation provides no explanation for how Daiba acquired this information, nor does it ever address the matter again. As a result, it comes across as a convenient plot device used solely to justify the party being escorted to the Kushan Empire, but it also leaves a dangerous and misled image of where Daiba's powers lie. But this all raises another question: the Kushan Empire?
It's true that there's nothing indicating Daiba has the ability to see into the future. But I would bet the staff are basing this on a misunderstanding of who gave Ganishka advanced information about the appearance of the Falcon of Light, leading to him invading Midland back in Volume 17. They assumed it was Daiba, but there's no reason to assume that. Quoting @Aazealh , in Volume 22, Silat says it was a "(大神官様) which means something like a "hierarch" from a religious order. It's very different both from how Silat refers to Ganishka and from how he refers to Daiba (妖術使い in episode 341), so my guess would be that it's someone else entirely."

Personally, I think that Ganishka could have gotten that information from just about anyone, because it was likely related to the Falcon of Light dream that many people across the world received. I don't think it needed to be someone super special like a medium, or for that matter, Daiba.

How does the Kushan empire still exist?
There are two reasons why this doesn't seem plausible. First, Ganishka would almost certainly have committed all the bulk of his forces to the invasion of Midland. He knew exactly who he was up against and understood the stakes involved. Following his defeat, and given his role as a tyrannical ruler whose authority largely held the empire together, the Kushan state would likely have been thrown into chaos. More importantly, however, Fantasia has already occurred. We are explicitly shown that Falconia is the sole safe haven in this new world, which is, of course, entirely according to Griffith's plan. Under those circumstances, a defeated and fractured Kushan Empire should not be able to continue functioning as a stable political entity, otherwise, what's really Griffith's point? This also comes with a bunch of other problems, like why is Silat now the leader of the said Kushan empire? That's not at all what Miura had described him to be, quiet the opposite really.

I think the Kurultai are supposed to be in charge (not Silat), with fatso as the figurehead of that group. But the whole concept of the Kurultai is already nonsensical. Anyone left behind after Ganishka's invasion force departed couldn't possibly have been of much consequence. He ruled over his kingdom with fear. Anyone he suspected of having the capacity of challenging his rule would have been dealt with already. So you're left with rejects. Awesome.

But then, yeah... Fantasia also exists, so ultimately there's no point debating how the Kushan empire should be governed when it shouldn't even exist to begin with.

But what are Silat, Daiba and Rickert even doing there?
It seems to me that the continuation team may have misunderstood what Miura had established for these characters. After successfully escaping Falconia, Silat tells Rickert in episode 339 that they should return to the Bakiraka's hidden village. This makes perfect sense within the context of the story. If any human settlement could realistically survive in the world of Fantasia, it would be a secluded mountain village hidden from the outside world and defended by elite assassins who have spent their entire lives fighting for survival. Instead, the continuation places these characters in what appears to be a functioning Kushan Empire, a setting that not only contradicts the implications of Fantasia but also ignores the destination Miura had already established for them.

@scaler26 already addressed it, but I'll double down a bit: The bakiraka clan were outcasts. Supporting Ganishka's campaign to seize the Falcon of Light was their last chance to regain their former status in the empire, and they failed. So why would they even have an expectation of calling that capital city their home anymore? They've simply sidestepped everything about the history of the Kushan and Bakiraka to fabricate the current scenario.

Hanarr didn't vanish.
Another major inconsistency, as Hanarr is an elf. Only a few episodes earlier, we were shown that even the merrows - beings with no direct connection to Elfhelm itself- disappeared following the island's destruction. By that logic, Hanarr should have vanished as well. Instead, he remains behind without any explanation. This is consistent with the continuation's broader mishandling of the island's inhabitants, most notably the unexplained non-disappearance of Puck and Ivalera.

Hanarr didn't vanish, even though he was a dwarf, but the Volvaba did, even though she's (presumably) a human :ganishka:

The Great Flatulence of the Ethereal World.
In episode 378, Rakshas summons some kind of shockwave that results in a dark tornado, previously exclusive to the path of dragons created by beherits, as a barrier between the corporeal world and the layer of the Ethereal World where the God Hand reside. After this, "trolls" begin rising from the ground out of a nondescript black liquid. We're told that it's akin to the Qliphoth, as if teasing a Slan appearance that never happens. This is once again ignoring Fantasia as a setting, in which ethereal creatures ought to be showing up and destroying everything in there by default. It’s also the first time we’ve seen an apostle being able to conjure ethereal beasts out of nothing, and even behaving like a beherit in the process.

It did look like a fart from somewhere beneath Rakshas' cloak. :rakshas:

A few things though, just because Slan appeared in the Qliphoth doesn't mean she's associated with that particular strata. SHe appeared there because she knew Guts was there. I've seen a few mistranslations of what she says, but she's not implying that the Qliphoth is hers, just that she can use it to create more creatures, because she's a member of the God Hand with cool powers.

Also, it seems possible to me that they think Fantasia can exist in pockets, not necessarily the new static state of the world. I don't know how else to explain why after the Rakshas fart, only then would creatures suddenly manifest from the streets, and not before. In any case, it's not explained or addressed beyond Daiba's cryptic line that what's happening is beyond the abilities of an apostle.

How can multiple people make a spell stronger?
To fight against the “trolls”, Farnese performs the formation of the four cardinal kings (while chanting the spell incorrectly and forgetting to set the symbols of the 4 elements); in episode 379, this is shown to encompass the entire Kushan palace. Meanwhile in episode 380 the apprentices from Skellig island are also casting the formation of the four, on top of Farnese's, but this time all together. Not only is it overkill, it's also contradictory to how magic works in Berserk: The formation of the four requires the magic user to personally delve into the Ethereal World with their luminous body and request help from the Four Cardinal Kings. It's an act of communication, having the apprentices chanting together should have no bearing on it and makes no sense. Wait... apprentices?

I don't even think they're casting the formation, I think they're just casting other spells to roast the "trolls." And that would have be fine, except, as you already pointed out:

Why are the novices unaffected by the destruction of the island of Skellig?
Against the established principles of magic in the world of Berserk, it was stated in episodes 373/374 that the magic users from Skellig lost their abilities due to its destruction. However, in episode 380, the apprentices are unaffected by this, being incoherent with what the team had set up just a few releases before. Conveniently, the Great Gurus continue to be out of action, which only reinforces the idea that it was a contrivance to write the Gurus off the story all along.

Aazealh hinted at the nature of this misunderstanding in the 373 thread, and after revisiting it, I agree:

Magic is a skill that one learns, as we saw when Farnese became a magician. It's not something innate you have inside you and that can be taken away. This is a complete misunderstanding of the very nature of magic in the world of Berserk. Now, we do get told in episode 345 that some magicians lived near forests of spiritual trees and did "deep magic research based on their enormous spiritual power", like Flora, but that doesn't mean they're dependent on said power. There is simply no reason for this to happen.

  1. Silat is treated like Royalty
    But the truth is quite the opposite, really, as the Bakiraka were of the lowest social class (caste is probably the right word), similar to slaves. The reason being that they had remained loyal to the former royal family before Ganishka took over. The latter recognized their potential for his war effort, which is why he gave them the task of capturing the Falcon in return for a status they previously did not have.
I could imagine a scenario where the remaining survivors of the Kushan empire have rallied around Silat and the Bakiraka, because they're the only human force capable of surviving in this new world. They may have initially balked at the concept of being led by outcasts, but that can be addressed practically and effectively: It's them or death. Of course, I also don't think the grudges within nation-states would have mattered at all among the humans scurrying from place to place like nomads in Fantasia. But that too isn't addressed.
 
just because Slan appeared in the Qliphoth doesn't mean she's associated with that particular strata.
For sure, I believe that was even brought that up in the Skullkast (though I'm not entirely sure the team understands that). That entire sequence was visibly a poor Enoch rip-off, and between Farnese and Daiba's comments, as well as Rakshas' confusion, it seemed they were building up to something bigger behind the scenes (either Slan's influence or something else). I suppose these are my interpretations bleeding into my post, but what my criticism boils down to is that they were generating artificial tension that led nowhere. Par for the course for the continuation, but this example just sticks out to me.
 
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