To be precise, it was stated by Magnifico, member of the Vandimion family, that several countries were relying on the Vandimion's support. And it's kind of a general statement, not exclusive to the war. It's a bit like how the templars lent money to kingdoms in our world.cajunman380 said:It was stated at the ball that many countries would not even be able to go to war were it not for the support of Vandimion.
Yeah, right. You're not saying much here buddy (even taking missing words into account).cajunman380 said:Miura has made a point on several occasion to note that Farneses family is just a bunch of nobles. They are the nobels. In the aristocratic world money and insight mean a lot.
Who's underestimating the Vandimion family? Certainly not me, and I think if you've read this board you'll have noticed that I've been regularly stressing out their importance over the past 2 years. However, as you said yourself, Griffith is a member of the God Hand. Right now he can afford to underestimate whoever he wants, with maybe the exception of Ganishka. He didn't care about the Vandimion family when they were attacked at the ball, nor did he about the other people massed there. They're only alive because of Guts' intervention. Griffith doesn't seem to be in need of money, and if he was he could take it by force (or better yet, various people would offer it to him spontaneously). He's not dependant on anybody. I don't think you're really addressing what I said here... Keep in mind the post I was replying to. All my post said was that I don't think Griffith's strategy for dealing against the Kushans in this battle will be defined by the desire to impress Federico de Vandimion. The Vandimion are powerful, but it's as useless to overestimate them than to underestimate them. Griffith has got the support of the Holy See now, and whether their leader is dying or not doesn't matter much as long as he can do what he wants him to before he passes away. The Vandimion family is powerful, but they're not military leaders. From Griffith's point of view, their immediate interest (in the battle) is inexistant, and hypothetic at best in the future if he engages in political games. I find it a bit presumptuous to say that he would be foolish not to excessively care about them. Especially if you're saying in the next paragraph that he's got Causality on his side and should just laugh in the face of the biggest army we've seen in the story so far, led by a powerful magic user that's aware of Griffith's (and his apostles') true nature.cajunman380 said:Its true that Griffith has the Popes support but the guy is at his deathbed. All I'm saying is that the Vandmion family shouldn't be underestimated at this point. Financial power can prove handy at some point in the future and Griffith would be very foolish to ignore them.
Keep the context of the event in mind. We've never seen a battle of such amplitude in the manga so far; it's not just ten guys fighting Zodd here. And the Demon Soldiers aren't all like Zodd or Grunberd either, they'll die if enough people gang up on them. Besides Griffith's army isn't only made of apostles. Nor will he reign on a country made of apostles. I don't see him relying solely on them. I believe the strategies and powers used will play a big role in determining the winner. If Griffith uses his powers to kill Ganishka off at the beginning and destabilize the Kushans, then unleashes his apostles on them in combination with the troops of Holy See alliance regaining composure, it could be a striking victory. If Ganishka uses magic to support his troops and the Hawks just rush in for a frontal shock, it's going to be much more messy. This battle doesn't follow a clean-cut scenario with a predictable ending, I wouldn't be too sure of what's going to happen if I were you.cajunman380 said:As for the size of the Kushan troops. Well Miura has also made a point in his story that, against apostles numbers don't really mean much.
More dangerous for himself. Don't put that sentence out of its context, too many people do. Griffith can't be harmed by normal means, but that doesn't mean his army can't be damaged that way. I don't think you're making much of a point by quoting this line here.cajunman380 said:(heck as the skullknight commented. if Griffith thinks 1 magic user is more dangerous than an army of 10000)
Considering he may ultimately be viewed as the Jesus/Muhammed figure in the Holy See's religion, I'd say he won't have to do much at all...Trashcan said:Griffith isn't likely to piss them off. Then again, I suppose he doesn't have to go out of his way to win their favor, either.
Good, I was at a crossroads with this image where either I stop using it or I just use it shamelessly all the time, even after I'M sick of it. You can all see which path I chose.CnC said:don't care how many times I see that pic, griff. Its always funny
Like what exactly?... Theres not much more for him to do aside from be defeated.Okay, how many of you think that this may be Ganishka's final resting place? Personally I dont want this to be the final battle he's in, I mean the encounter with Guts opened up a lot of interesting possibilities.
Well....clearly he needs to defeat the Kushans before doing anything with a kingdom. Namely Charlottes kingdom which is still in thier grasp. And his reputation is still just along the lines of a more....Batman like thing. An army that comes out of the blue to save defenseless victims. To be the antichrist figure hes gearing up to be he needs to be a huge blatant unifying war hero. Defeating an army this big in such a descisive battle is very central to the pursuit of that title.Princess Charlotte the royal heir to the throne of Midland (technically she's the queen)
The backing of the pope.
An army of powerful apostles.
An already established reputation throughout the land of Midland. I mean I feel that his role here isn't really a necessity (unless he somewhat cares for the nobles of Midland). unless of course he may plan to be the king of the entire Holy See empire. Any thoughts to this?
This isn't really a reply to anything, but that above is the funniest thing I've seen in my whole life. Kudos, Griffith No More!"Griffith No More!" said:http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/powerlevels2.jpg
"Forget the Kushana-jins, these Vandimion-jin power levels are unbelievable!
I better POWER UP!"
Nice, thanks Aaz!Aazealh said:For those that want them, the posters of volume 31
Sadly it'll be another week or so before the Japanese book store by my work gets the volume in... However, I'm checking daily, so it'll be in my grubby paws soon enough.Aazealh said:Of course, I'm counting on you guys to actually buy this volume if you haven't already.
Hey, thanks for these! I think that the Daiba poster is kind of cute, I shall purchase volume 31 right away.Aazealh said: